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[deviouslyChaotic]

But before that she was saying some things and she even say that he was weird.
He comes and calls her annoying, you say that it would be something she would not let pass but how many times Naruto pranked her on the series.
I feel that that scene was left behind, i mean there are moments where a reason for Sakura loving Sasuke shows up and this moment is not there alas there's a short time skip before that scene and their first bell training.
I think for me it's more believable that she thought Naruto wasnt serious or just pranking her again if she let pass or not mostly because of the annoying comment and her decision to be more gentle towards Naruto.

 
ANd also Sasuke was totally different than the lovey dovey Sasuke that appeared on the bench scene, she would've confronted him and even she would have said this on her confession to Sasuke, and even there she said that he hated her, if she really believed that the lovey dovey was Sasuke she would not think he hates her and the other adjectives she said.

I see where you're coming from, but if she realized it was Naruto, I believe Kishi would've shown Sakura thinking about the whole situation and then angrily coming to the conclusion that it was, in fact, him. Sakura would NOT let Naruto get away with playing with her feelings. Even when he merely said that Salura was his girlfriend to Konohamaru, she got angry and punched him. If she gets that angry about THAT, then she would've been FURIOUS to find out that Naruto pretended to be Sasuke regardless if she resolved to be nicer to him or not. Playing with someone's feelings is a lot worse than joking about dating someone. Also, Sakura barely knows Sasuke and what his personality is like. To her, he's very confusing and hard to understand so perhaps she viewed this mood swing as just a weird thing about Saduke that she didn't understand. She has no frame of reference concerning Sasukes personality to properly analyze the way he was acting as something WAY too abnormal enough to result in her thinking of the possibility that that wasn't the real Sasuke. To her, it could've very well been just another aspect of Sasuke she didn't understand. Perhaps if she analyzed the scene in its entirety longer, she could've come to the conclusion that it was an impersonator--but she didn't.
Another thing, Sasuke wasn't being all lovey dovey and overly fluffy with her. He mocked Naruto in a way, asked what she thought about Naruto, and then attempted to kiss her. That's not very fluffy or romantic to me. I wouldn't classify that as lovey dovey, but I guess it just depends on how one interprets the word.
A possibility as to why she said he hated her could be because as the series progressed, he became darker, angrier, and even more distant. As his character went in that direction, he kept breaking her heart with how he got meaner and meaner throughout the series. That progression As well as his actions during that progression kept piling up thus leading Sakur to believe that his feelings progressively developed into hate for reasons unknown to her and for reasons that she could not understand. It all comes down to her not understanding him at all thus rendering her unable to analyze him or understand his feelings and what he's thinking. She doesn't know if his dislike towards her is a result of something she did or what. She has no idea. He's an enigma to her.
To me, the Bench scene seems incomplete. I feel like it should be revisited. It's just weird to not revisit it ever again.

Sorry for late reply and typos--on my phone.

[Darkness]

Neither Naruto said he loved Sakura and this doesnt downplay his feelings for her does it?

 

Naruto didnt said the word but showed it many times on this manga, and Sakura even by not saying a word on the summit was kind of obvious that she still loved him.

When Sasuke was fighting deidara, right after the last deidara's explosion, the manga quickly swaps to a Sakura panel where she felt something.

 

Well, the strange feeling she felt was more like "Wtf is that blast?!". For me there's a difference because when Asuma died Kurenai kind of "felt it" while doing something completely unrelated (watering her plants iirc). But yeah it has nothing to do with her not loving Sasuke anymore.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I see where you're coming from, but if she realized it was Naruto, I believe Kishi would've shown Sakura thinking about the whole situation and then angrily coming to the conclusion that it was, in fact, him. Sakura would NOT let Naruto get away with playing with her feelings. Even when he merely said that Salura was his girlfriend to Konohamaru, she got angry and punched him. If she gets that angry about THAT, then she would've been FURIOUS to find out that Naruto pretended to be Sasuke regardless if she resolved to be nicer to him or not. Playing with someone's feelings is a lot worse than joking about dating someone. Also, Sakura barely knows Sasuke and what his personality is like. To her, he's very confusing and hard to understand so perhaps she viewed this mood swing as just a weird thing about Saduke that she didn't understand. She has no frame of reference concerning Sasukes personality to properly analyze the way he was acting as something WAY too abnormal enough to result in her thinking of the possibility that that wasn't the real Sasuke. To her, it could've very well been just another aspect of Sasuke she didn't understand. Perhaps if she analyzed the scene in its entirety longer, she could've come to the conclusion that it was an impersonator--but she didn't.
Another thing, Sasuke wasn't being all lovey dovey and overly fluffy with her. He mocked Naruto in a way, asked what she thought about Naruto, and then attempted to kiss her. That's not very fluffy or romantic to me. I wouldn't classify that as lovey dovey, but I guess it just depends on how one interprets the word.
A possibility as to why she said he hated her could be because as the series progressed, he became darker, angrier, and even more distant. As his character went in that direction, he kept breaking her heart with how he got meaner and meaner throughout the series. That progression As well as his actions during that progression kept piling up thus leading Sakur to believe that his feelings progressively developed into hate for reasons unknown to her and for reasons that she could not understand. It all comes down to her not understanding him at all thus rendering her unable to analyze him or understand his feelings and what he's thinking. She doesn't know if his dislike towards her is a result of something she did or what. She has no idea. He's an enigma to her.
To me, the Bench scene seems incomplete. I feel like it should be revisited. It's just weird to not revisit it ever again.

Sorry for late reply and typos--on my phone.

 

I'll just post here why the bench scene doesnt make sense.

We alreayd got 626 chapters.

We got two moments when the scene was supposed to be bought up (Confession and Summit)

She barely kissed Sasuke and there's the compliment.

 

A scene like that doesnt make sense to me even if it's to give some fake SS development or to be a meaningfull moment where her crush become love.

Without that scene, on 627 chapters, we wont get any clue why Naruto loves Sakura, without it we only would get "she's a girl that i like" Naruto never stated why he loves Sakura after that, even when Sai figure out he loved her, and most importantly it was the moment where his crush for Sakura become love.

That scene on my opinion is complete.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 October 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

So...here's an email one of my friends sent me of one of the arguments a NH fan used on him. I think this guy's a little delusional, but what the hay?

 

 

Hate to be the one to break this sad story to you but kishimoto signed off on those episodes so those "filler" episodes are technically canon (don’t just believe me do the research). Or was I just imagining things when Konoha was being rebuilt inside a crater? And so what if Naruto has done  “those things” for the other characters (only 2 of those things actually but well go with it anyways)? You are missing the point. His actions affected Hinata just the same. Those were her reasons why she liked him and why she risked her life to save him. Not reasons that set her apart. So your question initially was name reasons why she risked her life for him to ,now, what makes Hinata’s character different and /or better from the other characters? Fine, very well then. Let’s start with character development. Actually, you know what let’s try a simple exercise shall we? Try to sum up sakura’s (or any other female character’s) life story, then try to sum up Hinata’s. Don’t worry I’ll wait. Let me know what you find. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know how I can tell Naruto and Hinata just doesn't work due to development? Naruto wasn't aware that his motivation helped her. Naruto knows his actions helped Sakura, some he didn't know that the effect works heavily on her, alas her genuine smile. Naruto takes actions for Sakura while for Hinata it's his motivation and anything related to that.

[Inferno180]

Its funny, now the new chapters just creep on us. Will there be a NS moment next chapter? No clue, its most likely going all fighting now at last.

 

However I still stand by my eariler notion, Sakura was crying in joy Naruto managed to save Shikamaru. Now Sakura doesn't love Shikamaru but still cried in happiness for what Naruto did. If this was just saving a friend, then what kind of warm reception should Naruto get in the future when a positive moment between them occurs again like the hug?

 

Despite this, some fans think that Hinata will assert herself and hug Naruto after the fight, otherwise I would expect him and Sasuke to be very wounded and Sakura checks them first. No clue at this point, but whatever the congratulation after victory moment is, I wouldn't be surprised if Sakura gives Naruto a warm reception like the victory over pain.

[Hopestar]

 

I'll just post here why the bench scene doesnt make sense.

We alreayd got 626 chapters.

We got two moments when the scene was supposed to be bought up (Confession and Summit)

She barely kissed Sasuke and there's the compliment.

 

A scene like that doesnt make sense to me even if it's to give some fake SS development or to be a meaningfull moment where her crush become love.

Without that scene, on 627 chapters, we wont get any clue why Naruto loves Sakura, without it we only would get "she's a girl that i like" Naruto never stated why he loves Sakura after that, even when Sai figure out he loved her, and most importantly it was the moment where his crush for Sakura become love.

That scene on my opinion is complete.

Btw your pic down there is a tongue-twister

 

The bench scene should be address but Kishi may not want to. I won't be surprise if it won't to be honest you.

 

Naruto needs to accept Sakura's feelings. Notice during her confession it was from his POV not hers. His flashback was from their relationship in the past connected with Sasuke not the present with theirs alone. However at that point Naruto was living in the past until Sai and Gaara bought him back into reality.

 

Although Sasuke is fighting with them he's still on guard because he knows Sasuke of present and there's a chance he might turn enemy after Obito, Juubi, and Madara are taken care of. Even Sakura suspenious of Sasuke as Sai points out her fake smile. She might get involve in their fight but not too much because it's a personal duel between the boys.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Btw your pic down there is a tongue-twister

 

The bench scene should be address but Kishi may not want to. I won't be surprise if it won't to be honest you.

 

Naruto needs to accept Sakura's feelings. Notice during her confession it was from his POV not hers. His flashback was from their relationship in the past connected with Sasuke not the present with theirs alone. However at that point Naruto was living in the past until Sai and Gaara bought him back into reality.

 

Although Sasuke is fighting with them he's still on guard because he knows Sasuke of present and there's a chance he might turn enemy after Obito, Juubi, and Madara are taken care of. Even Sakura suspenious of Sasuke as Sai points out her fake smile. She might get involve in their fight but not too much because it's a personal duel between the boys.

The bench scene served for two purposes, first develop Naruto's feelings towards Sakura, it was the moment where his crush become love and addressed why he loves Sakura and for Sakura it was to show the readers what she was seeking on her crush towards Sasuke, also stabilishing where each one is at on the love triangle.

Naruto who truly loves Sakura, Sakura who wants to pursue the acknowledgement from her crush, Sasuke who doesnt give two kittens about Sakura and it's not interested on her and views her someome who's annoying.

 

The scene on my opinion is complete due to the purpose it was served, to show the readers Naruto's love triangle.

 

Now as for the actual moment, NS will only moves if Sakura goes first, it's not because Naruto will confess or whatever he's truly holding back because of his promise to Sakura but also the fact he believes she loves Sasuke which makes him go too selfless and hide his feelings from her, but Sakura already know Naruto's feelings for her it's not a matter of her knowing why but it's more her realizing that Naruto doesnt see her as the horrible person she thought she is, someome who's often doing mistakes.

 

And also for some reason due to recents moments i'm noticing that Sakura is regressing back, mostly because she could not save Shikamaru alone and ended up Naruto doing the job she wants to do, she really wants to help Naruto but for some reason he's not allowing it(Chakra cloak)[She almost went in tears when she was asking Naruto to let her handle it by herself]

Maybe it's just a matter of time until she start thinking she's useless again.(when it comes to Naruto).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 October 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[sushi.]

^You're right that the bench scene served for two purposes. The first was to develop Naruto's feelings for Sakura, the second was to develop Sakura's feelings for Sasuke - all in all it established the love triangle.

 

The bench scene is not done yet because Sakura doesn't know the truth about it. I want Naruto to clear up the misunderstanding.

 

I disagree however that the bench scene was Naruto's transition from crush to love. That was the first time he ever had a real conversation with her, so that much is illogical. He began to love her sometime after they were put on the same team, but I think it's clear as a day he loved her as early as the PoaL.

Edited by sushi., 07 October 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^You're right that the bench scene served for two purposes. The first was to develop Naruto's feelings for Sakura, the second was to develop Sakura's feelings for Sasuke - all in all it established the love triangle.

 

The bench scene is not done yet because Sakura doesn't know the truth about it. I want Naruto to clear up the misunderstanding.

 

I disagree however that the bench scene was Naruto's transition from crush to love. That was the first time he ever had a real conversation with her, so that much is illogical. He began to love her sometime after they were put on the same team, but I think it's clear as a day he loved her as early as the PoaL.

The love triangle was already estabilished it was more to show the readers it's reasons and it was more focused on Naruto than Sakura or Sasuke, the development it had was Naruto's crush becoming love, and Sakura who learned about having no parents and loneliness and it came from the real Sasuke, it didnt developed nothing on the terms of Sakura's feelings because even then the purpose of seeking his acknowledgement was since she developed her crush on Sasuke, and she got her acknowledgement on her confession(end of part 1) that is the development she got.

 

What makes worse is that she already got the acknowledgement from Sasuke on Sakura's confession for Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 October 2013 - 11:17 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

So...here's an email one of my friends sent me of one of the arguments a NH fan used on him. I think this guy's a little delusional, but what the hay?

 

 

Hate to be the one to break this sad story to you but kishimoto signed off on those episodes so those "filler" episodes are technically canon (don’t just believe me do the research). Or was I just imagining things when Konoha was being rebuilt inside a crater? And so what if Naruto has done  “those things” for the other characters (only 2 of those things actually but well go with it anyways)? You are missing the point. His actions affected Hinata just the same. Those were her reasons why she liked him and why she risked her life to save him. Not reasons that set her apart. So your question initially was name reasons why she risked her life for him to ,now, what makes Hinata’s character different and /or better from the other characters? Fine, very well then. Let’s start with character development. Actually, you know what let’s try a simple exercise shall we? Try to sum up sakura’s (or any other female character’s) life story, then try to sum up Hinata’s. Don’t worry I’ll wait. Let me know what you find. 

 

 

If fillers are 'technically' canon then the episode where Naruto says he has a girl he loves named Sakura, after both her and Hinata's confessions is canon too. No matter how you try to slice it, the only material that counts as canon is what is in the original manga and the only time an author's permission is needed is if the anime intends to completely diverge from the manga, like what was done in the first Full Metal Alchemist series, as the manga was still on-going at the time. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

If fillers are 'technically' canon then the episode where Naruto says he has a girl he loves named Sakura, after both her and Hinata's confessions is canon too. No matter how you try to slice it, the only material that counts as canon is what is in the original manga and the only time an author's permission is needed is if the anime intends to completely diverge from the manga, like what was done in the first Full Metal Alchemist series, as the manga was still on-going at the time. 

Kind of like "Choose your poison" situation if you ask me.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

If fillers are 'technically' canon then the episode where Naruto says he has a girl he loves named Sakura, after both her and Hinata's confessions is canon too. No matter how you try to slice it, the only material that counts as canon is what is in the original manga and the only time an author's permission is needed is if the anime intends to completely diverge from the manga, like what was done in the first Full Metal Alchemist series, as the manga was still on-going at the time. 

If he says that Filler episodes are canon i wish he could explain me how Naruto and Lee are beaten by a ninja ostrich.

Kishi could just summon that ninja ostrich again to fight against the Juubi.

 

How Hinata used 64 palms on fillers but only now she was able to use

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 October 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If he says that Filler episodes are canon i wish he could explain me how Naruto and Lee are beaten by a ninja ostrich.

Kishi could just summon that ninja ostrich again to fight against the Juubi.

 

How Hinata used 64 palms on fillers but only now she was able to use

First of all, lol at the first comment. That's just hilarious to actually image it.

 

Second, you know, they sure dug a hole on that one.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Kind of like "Choose your poison" situation if you ask me.

 

Definitely. If you want to bring in the "fillers are canon" argument, it's a double edged sword. Fillers can just as easily be used to support NaruSaku as NaruHina, it's just fanservice, nothing more and nothing less, something to enjoy but not take too seriously or blow out of proportion. I enjoy NS fanservice as much as the next fan, but I don't make it out to be more than that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Definitely. If you want to bring in the "fillers are canon" argument, it's a double edged sword. Fillers can just as easily be used to support NaruSaku as NaruHina, it's just fanservice, nothing more and nothing less, something to enjoy but not take too seriously or blow out of proportion. I enjoy NS fanservice as much as the next fan, but I don't make it out to be more than that.

Agreed. I just don't like when they say, "That's different". No, fillers are fillers, so they're all the same.

[Hiraishin]

If he says that Filler episodes are canon i wish he could explain me how Naruto and Lee are beaten by a ninja ostrich.

Kishi could just summon that ninja ostrich again to fight against the Juubi.

nice.

[megi]

 

Hate to be the one to break this sad story to you but kishimoto signed off on those episodes so those "filler" episodes are technically canon (don’t just believe me do the research). 

 

 

Kishi did not sign a contract saying that the fillers are ("technically") canon. He would surely have signed some contract in order for the animation company to make the Naruto anime based off of his work (the canon manga). That does not technically make the fillers canon, nor has Kishi ever ever said that they are canon, or incorporated aspects of filler episodes into his work, as many people above me have given examples for.

[Darkness]

If he says that Filler episodes are canon i wish he could explain me how Naruto and Lee are beaten by a ninja ostrich.

Kishi could just summon that ninja ostrich again to fight against the Juubi.

 

How Hinata used 64 palms on fillers but only now she was able to use

LMAO

 

If some fillers can be considered "technically" canon then why don't we consider Road to Charasuke canon as well, where both alternate versions of Ino and Chouji admitted Sakura is really meant to be with Naruto.    

[rocci]

I believe that naruto is stubborn to believe that sakura will never love her and always love sasukeh just like how obito believe that rin love kakashi in their battle of genjutsu.

And I think obito really love to see a pairing suffer, I don't know why.
I mean yahikoxkonan, sasukarin, minakushi, and probably NS*gulp*.