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[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I kind of like Sai, he is hilarious and a better teammate than Sasuke ever was. Seriously if he died at the war or at some point into the series it would make more sense than Neji dying for example and since he is quite a likable character, the fans would care too.

 

I always pictured Sai dying in some way protecting Naruto/ Sakura or team seven in general. Protecting the bond he learned how to cherish...it would be deeper than Neji's shallow cupid death

That sounds good. No good!

[RedFaction]

 

I kind of like Sai, he is hilarious and a better teammate than Sasuke ever was. Seriously if he died at the war or at some point into the series it would make more sense than Neji dying for example and since he is quite a likable character, the fans would care too.

 

I always pictured Sai dying in some way protecting Naruto/ Sakura or team seven in general. Protecting the bond he learned how to cherish...it would be deeper than Neji's shallow cupid death

I think that would be more fitting than the actual ending Sai got. I mean really? Sai and Ino? LOL

[Liu bie]

I still think he was planning NS until the ending. 

I think he is just another troll that thinks is funny trolling his readers, but this time his joke it was not funny for everybody.

[Nar123]

I think that would be more fitting than the actual ending Sai got. I mean really? Sai and Ino? LOL

 

Yeah, this pairing came completely from the left field, their only interaction Sai called Ino "ugly"

 

but hey when you have ridiculous  pairings such as SS and NH anything is possible

[RyohkiFan]

My regret is having faith it will end well and coming back to see the ending, I don't regret meeting people because of it

[Namikaze Clan]

I have to ask. If Kishi knew since 2012 that the ending would be NH/SS, then why did he have NS/SK moments such as the CPR scene and Sakura and Karin crying over the possibility of both Naruto and Sasuke dying? You would think he would try to make the two opposite pairings somewhat believable. Like have Naruto reference Hinata to his dad or have Sasuke not be such a Jackass towards poor Sakura.

[RedFaction]

I have to ask. If Kishi knew since 2012 that the ending would be NH/SS, then why did he have NS/SK moments such as the CPR scene and Sakura and Karin crying over the possibility of both Naruto and Sasuke dying? You would think he would try to make the two opposite pairings somewhat believable. Like have Naruto reference Hinata to his dad or have Sasuke not be such a Jackass towards poor Sakura.

It'd be out of character for Sasuke to be a nice guy. He has never been really nice to anyone. And maybe Kishimoto didn't want to have Minato go back and tell Kushina that their son is ending up with a weirdo lol.

[ramenanmitsu]

 
I kind of like Sai, he is hilarious and a better teammate than Sasuke ever was. Seriously if he died at the war or at some point into the series it would make more sense than Neji dying for example and since he is quite a likable character, the fans would care too.
 
I always pictured Sai dying in some way protecting Naruto/ Sakura or team seven in general. Protecting the bond he learned how to cherish...it would be deeper than Neji's shallow cupid death

Even if he was a likeable character he's still one of the most miserable and unnecessary characters I've ever seen. Sai was supposed to have two reasons as his character role.
1. To understand the feelings of the main characters and help them
The grinding truth is his care for them never really helped them. Let's take the confession for example. He aimed to help Naruto by guilt tripping Sakura but look how that turned out? All it did was create unnecessary drama and wasted efforts on Naruto and Sakura's parts. Him pointing out Sakura not trusting Sasuke was irrelevant when she becomes his fangirl again as if the previous 600 chapters never existed.

2. To show what bonds are
I thought that Sai will finally be able to find his place within team seven and to show the readers what teamwork and bonds really means. But nope. Sai constantly felt left out and irrelevant with the appearance of Sasuke and his last efforts to be a team seven member failed miserably when he attacked the bijuu clones and collapsed. You'd think that the author will follow up with such character dilemmas and show that Sai is also an important member of team seven. But there was nothing. He was a character who felt miserable where he was and ended that way. Marrying with Ino who he thought as 'ugly' was his consolation gift.

[Nar123]

Even if he was a likeable character he's still one of the most miserable and unnecessary characters I've ever seen. Sai was supposed to have two reasons as his character role.
1. To understand the feelings of the main characters and help them
The grinding truth is his care for them never really helped them. Let's take the confession for example. He aimed to help Naruto by guilt tripping Sakura but look how that turned out? All it did was create unnecessary drama and wasted efforts on Naruto and Sakura's parts. Him pointing out Sakura not trusting Sasuke was irrelevant when she becomes his fangirl again as if the previous 600 chapters never existed.

2. To show what bonds are
I thought that Sai will finally be able to find his place within team seven and to show the readers what teamwork and bonds really means. But nope. Sai constantly felt left out and irrelevant with the appearance of Sasuke and his last efforts to be a team seven member failed miserably when he attacked the bijuu clones and collapsed. You'd think that the author will follow up with such character dilemmas and show that Sai is also an important member of team seven. But there was nothing. He was a character who felt miserable where he was and ended that way. Marrying with Ino who he thought as 'ugly' was his consolation gift.

 

Not really Sai's fault, more like Kishimoto kittening up his characters yet again 

 

As I said it would be better if Sai died a heroic sacrifice on the war

[ramenanmitsu]

 
Not really Sai's fault, more like Kishimoto kittening up his characters yet again 
 
As I said it would be better if Sai died a heroic sacrifice on the war

Of course. Everything is Kishi's fault. How can something he created being kittened up NOT be his fault?

[LuckyChi7]

You know my grandfather told me something once, rest his soul, that there was never really just one universe. You expect something to happen and it didn't happen, but in another universe that outcome has already happened. No he wasn't a scientist or an astrologist, but he it was something he always thought of,  and thinking about we got what was possibly the worst ending ever to Naruto maybe in some other  universe the Naruto series got the proper ending, NS, Shinachiku, Orchimaru, SK, etc. Everything that we were all expecting to happen by the end.

 

 

I want to believe that, but still I wanted this series to go out with a bang in our universe it's something we deserved for so many years. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 13 March 2015 - 12:04 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I read the interview. My thoughts on Saturday episode.

Two things I want to say/ask:

1)I'm so glad that I sold my stuff.

2)Who's worse at making on the spot: Kishi or Kubo?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 13 March 2015 - 12:05 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

I read the interview. My thoughts on Saturday episode.

Two things I want to say/ask:

1)I'm so glad that I sold my stuff.

2)Who's worse at making on the spot: Kishi or Kubo?

 

 

Kishi for sure, Kubo has constantly been keeping the characters intact and hasn't destroyed the series. Plus I've said this before the narrative in The Quincy war is handled very well since it started even The FullBring which wasn't that great constantsly had a tigether narrative unlike with what Kishi had to offer in 4th Great Ninja War Arc. 

 

 

 

When people ask me what I think last good arc in Naruto was my answer truthfully and honestly has to be the Confining The Jinchuriki Arc where Naruto met his mom and learned the truth about what really happened on the day Kurama attacked the village. 

[rocci]

Sai is what happen if sasuke isn't a rival and kitten.
Sai is true supportive character in trio like armin(snk) or Ron(hp).
He will never outshine naruto since sai isn't naruto equal.
Unlike sasuke, whom the author decide to make their last battle in the manga.

I think despite kishi said that his character flop in term of popularity, he's actually quite successful. His rank doesn't goes below fifteen.

Edited by rocci, 13 March 2015 - 12:17 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He talked nothing but popularity. This is so pathetic. We should start making people popular in other series. Maybe just maybe, Ace will come back to us. Let us keep pushing him. While we're at it, if there's one for I don't know My Hero Academy, let's make that douchebag popular so we can say screw the protagonist to become a real hero. Yeah, let's do that. Let's keep doing that.

[Phantom_999]

I read the interview. My thoughts on Saturday episode.

Two things I want to say/ask:

1)I'm so glad that I sold my stuff.

2)Who's worse at making on the spot: Kishi or Kubo?

 

good for you.

I'm still stuck with my garbage though

[Nate River]

good for you.
I'm still stuck with my garbage though

It's still cold in Canada and firewood is expensive. Problem solved. Also, is Venezuela still having that massive TP shortage?

[tricksie]

You know my grandfather told me something once, rest his soul, that there was never really just one universe. You expect something to happen and it didn't happen, but in another universe that outcome has already happened. No he wasn't a scientist or an astrologist, but he it was something he always thought of,  and thinking about we got what was possibly the worst ending ever to Naruto maybe in some other  universe the Naruto series got the proper ending, NS, Shinachiku, Orchimaru, SK, etc. Everything that we were all expecting to happen by the end.

 

 

I want to believe that, but still I wanted this series to go out with a bang in our universe it's something we deserved for so many years. 

 

 

Your grandfather was very smart! He's basically talking about quantum mechanics! Potentialities vs. actualities and 'many worlds' theories have been wrestled with from the time of Aristotle and on. Like with Shroedinger's cat, where the cat in the box is both alive and dead until the box is opened and one state is known for certain. With the many worlds theory, the universe splits off into separate outcomes from each possibility. So instead of a continuous timeline for our univers that looks like a single long thread, the universe looks more like branches on a tree. 

 

It makes my head hurt to think about all the possibilities. I think that's why we live in an actuality, in this one reality where our choices don't exist after we've made them, rather than simultaneously weighing all the potentials all the time. Our brains can't take it!! 

 

There is an anime, "Noein" (which means "to my other self"), which totally wraps this stuff into their storyline, along with time travel, young romance and changing your fate. It's really, really, really good - one of my favorite anime series of all time. 

 

As for Naruto, I think it's easy to separate the series into different universes: one where the ending impoded the whole series, and one where the ending followed along with everything that had come before. 

 

And I think Chatte's theory was so right on — if Kishimoto had played his cards right and tried a little harder to be mysterious, he could have kept all the fandoms still connected to the series. He could have ended it with the question mark hovering over the story that Obito might have actually succeeded in putting the whole Narutoverse under his jutsu. And what we're seeing as reality in the series is actually only Hinata's dream state.

 

So fanfics, art and theories could have centered around how Team 7 was going to break out. And at the end of all the Hinata pandering to the NH/SS fans, Kishimoto could have cashed in on the NS fans with another mini version, movie, novel or one-shot anime special that showed the ending going in an entirely different direction. Obito's dream state gets broken, Team 7 prevails and wakes up, then NS and the hint of SK are shown before everything is returned to normal.

 

So the idea of alternate universes in Naruto could definitely be supported. Too bad Kishimoto wasn't creative enough to go that route. 

 

That version of Kishimoto must exist somewhere else right now, along with a bunch of happy NS fans!! 

[rocci]

@ns4life3g
Just like luckychi said, it's kishi.
Kishi strength is on his art and his emotional scene.
Kubo strength is on his character and cool factor.

While I see both of them have a weakness on plot, but I think kubo rarely drop his plot point while kishi on the other hand drop plot point on a fly and don't forget his retcon.

Kishi big if not true weakness is his character, be it creation, characterization, or development.
Kubo weakness is repetitive formula.

That's nothing wrong with popularity because that is shonen jump.
And while naruto is popular, it will never get recognition as top 10 manga.
Because people recognize how kitten naruto is.

Just my opinion.

[Phantom_999]

It's still cold in Canada and firewood is expensive. Problem solved. Also, is Venezuela still having that massive TP shortage?

 

lol True but i'd rather make back some of the dough I wasted.  That'd be my last resort plan if anything.