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[BlueStarSaber]

Say how would you all react if konohamaru did that man on man jutsu again on Sakura and this time he used Naruto and Sakura reacted the same way as before?

[deviouslyChaotic]

I honestly would feel like an idiot and i will doubt about Sakura's intelligence.
I mean the "Sasuke" who complimented her was all lovey dovey towards her and someome who was in love with her then suddenly the real Sasuke shows up and it's cold and wasnt the same lovey dovey as before.

He doesnt touch on that scene before and worse completely ignore her existence.

 

I feel she might know it was Naruto the reason is that back then she believe he only annoyed her and i think that she thought that Naruto didnt complimented her but rather was mocking her.

I just cant buy that the whole bench scene is what makes her cling to SS because it would already been bought by now and more importantly and it was kinda obvious it wasnt the real Sasuke.

It was obvious to us that it wasn't the real Sasuke, but to her it was just a weird event or almost a weird mood swing Sasuke went through. She most likely did not analyze that scene further since the comment "annoying" stuck in her head thus causing her to focus mainly about that particular comment rather than the event as a whole. If she was suspicious and felt that it was Naruto, she would've confronted him about it and scolded him (regardless if she knew if it was 100% him or not). That's something she wouldn't keep in the back of her mind under any circumstances since she would've viewed it as Naruto playing with her feelings as a prank--which is not ok. 

I can understand where people are coming from when they say her feelings for Sasuke intensified because of that scene. They were literally seconds away from kissing. Sakura would've seen that near kiss as potential for a romantic relationship. She could've also taken that notion as a hint that he likes her as well, thus feeling as though her feelings were requited to an extent which gave her hope that a romantic relationship with him was possible. She decided to chase after that possibility after realizing from that near kiss that a relationship with Sasuke was not too out of reach (in her mind).

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 07 October 2013 - 01:35 AM.

[Inferno180]

Honestly, while this might be unlikely, I'd prefer for Sakura to realize her feelings before the bench scene from chapter 3 is 'closed,' it would be poignant if Sakura realized she loves Naruto based off of their development and relationship, despite "the fact" (in her mind) that Sasuke was the first person to compliment her forehead...then only to find out it was Naruto all along.  And also, when the forehead scene is given closure, and Sakura finds out it was Naruto, I want her to be pretty annoyed that he tricked her, and yeah...I'd want her to smack him.  LOL.

 

Inferno 180, great post!  You know what annoys me about the discussions about the parallels?  I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Sakura doesn't parallel Kushina, NS doesn't parallel MK, it's the other way around.  Kushina and MK were developed in such a way so that they would be direct parallels for Sakura and NS.  The fact is, Sakura will be the only non-Uzumaki female to be paralleled to Kushina (unless the female being paralleled to Kushina is also being paralleled to Sakura), because Kushina was developed to do so.  Another current-generation female can't be paralleled to Kushina in the same way, because Kushina was developed specifically to parallel Sakura, any time NH, SS or any other pairing tries to fit their paring into this parallel it doesn't work, the key won't fit, the puzzle pieces don't fit together.  I'm lazy, I don't want to type it out, so I'll link to my LAP again.

 

Kushina and MK parallel Sakura and NS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

 

It's just easier to say Kushina and Minato for example were modeled after Sakura and Naruto. I mean there is a funny confusion about this type of stuff:

 

basically these fit into 2 catagories design and lore

 

design is the background structure of the characters and their traits, usually the characters created first are older in terms of not their bilogical age, but just how long they existed in the series, the oldest are yes Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. The youngest though are others who came in recent years like Kushina, Ay, Bee, Mei, and Ohnoki.

 

Lore is for the sake of the continuity of the story, due to the design of a character like say Kakuzu, he is 91 the oldest human character in the series, yet he is a middle aged character by design being only 6 or 7 years old. So in lore, he is an old angry seaweed man. by Design though he is much younger in terms of just how long he existed. His lore aspects though are that he was one of the only ninja aside from Ohnoki who lived through the warring clan era until his death at Kakashi (well kakashi dealt the finishing blow to a wounded Kakuzu).

 

lets use Naruto and Minato as an example

 

1. In terms of which character lore traits are first, then yes Naruto takes after his parents because that is just a lore design, the aspect of who was around before the characters themselves that has a reason to take after them. Minato is the headone for the lore as he is Naruto's father

 

2. In terms of which characters existed longer: then basically its the other way around as in Naruto is an older character in design than Minato, Naruto has existed for as long as the series, 15 years almost. Minato has existed in the background lore but didn't come up until the pain arc so he was around for only 7 or 8 years so far. So obviously we see the reverse here, in terms of structuring  Naruto's character by lore then by design Minato had to be like Naruto but in a more mature sense or ways Naruto has not yet become.

 

So to say, if we wanted to use Sakura as an example, Sakura has existed for about as long as Naruto, around 15 years. Kushina is only like 3 or so. In terms of design, Kushina takes after Sakura. In terms of lore however to establish that its the younger character (in biological age) or Sakura who is similar to Kushina by the foreshadow and Minato's comment in 631 see the ideal here?

 

Sakura- older in terms of how long her character has been present

Kushina - younger in terms of how long her character has existed designed after Sakura

In lore reasons though, because Kushina's character is set before Sakura, on a design view, Kushina has taken after Sakura but for this lore, its that design from being like Sakura that transitions to the lore section of Sakura taking after Kushina because Kushina is older in terms of the lore.

 

Yes its a handful but it makes a 2 way effect, something to be established so it was established in the first place, basically making a past off of the present.

Edited by Inferno180, 07 October 2013 - 01:46 AM.

[Branden]

We should make something like this when NS becomes canon

srsly

But they're not cannon. Try not to get ahead of yourself like NH did in 615. Trust me I would have been very happy if eremika was canon right then and there but that's not the case.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I don't understand why I doubt the forehead scene so much in terms of being addressed again, but I just do. Yes, it was quite obvious Minato's compliment was a indirect callback to the NS example in the beginning of Part 1, even if that one was a bit jokey instead of serious. However, my main issue is that it was never brought up again to Sakura. Not once, we are given no indication if the forehead comment affected her judgment on Sasuke or not. I have no doubt the bench scene might've influenced her judgment, but after all the angst and insults, I'm sure she's let that go by now. Or at least it can be argued, since she has never thought back to it again. Sakura even stated in her first confession that she thought Sasuke had always hated her.

 

Parallels are fun, but that doesn't mean it has to be overly confirmed (Forehead comment) to showcase the parallel. It was already mentioned before in the past, that can be enough. It still proves MinaKushi and NaruSaku are parallels, even if the compliment was never in a serious way. I just don't see Kishi doing this, he has not emphasized it enough at all for me to believe it.

 

Then again, I never expected him to confirm the Sakura-Kushina parallel again through Minato either. So I guess anything's possible.

[morgaine4]

That's why I'd prefer for it to be played for laughs.  I want that scene to be brought  up again, because I want Sakura to know that it wasn't Sasuke, and want her to have a chance to scold/smack Naruto for teasing her like that.

[Psychox]

I don't understand why I doubt the forehead scene so much in terms of being addressed again, but I just do. Yes, it was quite obvious Minato's compliment was a indirect callback to the NS example in the beginning of Part 1, even if that one was a bit jokey instead of serious. However, my main issue is that it was never brought up again to Sakura. Not once, we are given no indication if the forehead comment affected her judgment on Sasuke or not. I have no doubt the bench scene might've influenced her judgment, but after all the angst and insults, I'm sure she's let that go by now. Or at least it can be argued, since she has never thought back to it again. Sakura even stated in her first confession that she thought Sasuke had always hated her.

 

Parallels are fun, but that doesn't mean it has to be overly confirmed (Forehead comment) to showcase the parallel. It was already mentioned before in the past, that can be enough. It still proves MinaKushi and NaruSaku are parallels, even if the compliment was never in a serious way. I just don't see Kishi doing this, he has not emphasized it enough at all for me to believe it.

 

Then again, I never expected him to confirm the Sakura-Kushina parallel again through Minato either. So I guess anything's possible.

Well, we should take into consideration that it took one comment from Minato to change Kushina's view on him. Now, think how will the same comment has affected Sakura coming from prince Sasuke <3. Hm.. Dunno,but i am elaborating on it . ^-^
 

 

Honestly, while this might be unlikely, I'd prefer for Sakura to realize her feelings before the bench scene from chapter 3 is 'closed,' it would be poignant if Sakura realized she loves Naruto based off of their development and relationship, despite "the fact" (in her mind) that Sasuke was the first person to compliment her forehead...then only to find out it was Naruto all along.  And also, when the forehead scene is given closure, and Sakura finds out it was Naruto, I want her to be pretty annoyed that he tricked her, and yeah...I'd want her to smack him.  LOL.

Try to imagine that for a second , now , what did happen at the end of the Pain arc? Yeah... I'm expecting a punch + a kiss (Bakaaaa!)

hehe

Edited by Psychox, 07 October 2013 - 07:44 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It was obvious to us that it wasn't the real Sasuke, but to her it was just a weird event or almost a weird mood swing Sasuke went through. She most likely did not analyze that scene further since the comment "annoying" stuck in her head thus causing her to focus mainly about that particular comment rather than the event as a whole. If she was suspicious and felt that it was Naruto, she would've confronted him about it and scolded him (regardless if she knew if it was 100% him or not). That's something she wouldn't keep in the back of her mind under any circumstances since she would've viewed it as Naruto playing with her feelings as a prank--which is not ok. 

I can understand where people are coming from when they say her feelings for Sasuke intensified because of that scene. They were literally seconds away from kissing. Sakura would've seen that near kiss as potential for a romantic relationship. She could've also taken that notion as a hint that he likes her as well, thus feeling as though her feelings were requited to an extent which gave her hope that a romantic relationship with him was possible. She decided to chase after that possibility after realizing from that near kiss that a relationship with Sasuke was not too out of reach (in her mind).

But before that she was saying some things and she even say that he was weird.

He comes and calls her annoying, you say that it would be something she would not let pass but how many times Naruto pranked her on the series.
I feel that that scene was left behind, i mean there are moments where a reason for Sakura loving Sasuke shows up and this moment is not there alas there's a short time skip before that scene and their first bell training.

I think for me it's more believable that she thought Naruto wasnt serious or just pranking her again if she let pass or not mostly because of the annoying comment and her decision to be more gentle towards Naruto.

 

ANd also Sasuke was totally different than the lovey dovey Sasuke that appeared on the bench scene, she would've confronted him and even she would have said this on her confession to Sasuke, and even there she said that he hated her, if she really believed that the lovey dovey was Sasuke she would not think he hates her and the other adjectives she said.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 October 2013 - 10:28 AM.

[rocci]

@sushi
Naruto as the lead and titular character love sakura and this kind of setup rarely happen in shonen manga let alone battle manga genre.

Well this's kishi so I believe the bench scene will happen or adress later on.

[Paptala]

As far as the bench scene goes, I both hope and reasonably expect that it will be revisited in some form.  Kushina's background story being so similar seems to indicate that its going to come back up again (specifically, the fact that Minato complimenting the one feature she hated and was so insecure about was a big part of her falling in love with him - suggesting it will play a role in Sakura falling and/or cementing her romantic feelings for Naruto), as does the forehead kisses between Tsunade and Dan (who parallel Naruto and Sakura individually), and possibly Sakura's messy bangs.

 

Like morgaine, I also don't want Sakura's romantic feelings for Naruto to hinge simply on one compliment about her physical feature, but at the same time, I do think that it goes beyond a superficial compliment and is more about finding someone who loves you for the things you dislike/are self conscious about/your imperfections (which, imo, is a very sweet message).  I think its more likely to help her realize what she already feels for Naruto from everything else they've gone through together and what she's come to understand about him, or it will help cement her feelings built from the strong foundation mentioned above.

 

I can see Naruto repeating the compliment while brushing her messy bangs out of her face, Sakura realizing it was him, feeling very happy at the compliment, and then have it end comically by having her get ticked at recalling Naruto was tricking her - so basically, its mostly a sweet moment, but ends on a comedic note (I can see Sakura smiling a bit after scolding/smacking Naruto for his early behavior).

 

I don't think she would hold it against him though - both of them did/said pretty immature mean things in that chapter, so I think it evens out.  Not to mention that Naruto's immature and rather thoughtless behavior in chapter 3 is a nice contrast to his selfless behavior in chapter 183 and 236 where he makes the POAL and puts Sakura's feelings and happiness before his own (and how Sakura thinks back to her words when he makes the POAL and realizes her words in chapter 3 were wrong).

 

As far as Sakura not thinking about it again, I think it comes down to the fact that right after Naruto gave her said compliment, he pretty much took it back (realizing that he was making Sasuke look good) - "That sounds like something Naruto would say" and cue Sakura's disappointed face.  So as far as Sakura knows, no one has ever sincerely complimented her on her forehead.  And she has thought of the bench scene, though she only mentioned the end of it (where he calls her annoying) and that was during her confession.  It's strange how she doesn't think of their almost kiss in her flashbacks before trying to stab him, but there is nothing to indicate that Sakura ever figured out it wasn't Sasuke (at least, not on any conscious level) - I'm fairly certain she would have said something to Naruto about it otherwise.

 

So overall, while I'm not positive that it will be, I think its more likely than not that the forehead compliment/bench scene will be touched on by the end of the manga, because there are quite a few things that point to it. 

Edited by Paptala, 07 October 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[Psychox]

But before that she was saying some things and she even say that he was weird.

He comes and calls her annoying, you say that it would be something she would not let pass but how many times Naruto pranked her on the series.
I feel that that scene was left behind, i mean there are moments where a reason for Sakura loving Sasuke shows up and this moment is not there alas there's a short time skip before that scene and their first bell training.

I think for me it's more believable that she thought Naruto wasnt serious or just pranking her again if she let pass or not mostly because of the annoying comment and her decision to be more gentle towards Naruto.

 

ANd also Sasuke was totally different than the lovey dovey Sasuke that appeared on the bench scene, she would've confronted him and even she would have said this on her confession to Sasuke, and even there she said that he hated her, if she really believed that the lovey dovey was Sasuke she would not think he hates her and the other adjectives she said.

 

If you remember the incidents in the FOD  when Sasuke got the seal and woke up to had a friendly talk with DOSU and co., she saw in her flashback the Sasuke who was blushing and all that stuff, in other words the Sasuke that she thought he was. Its really hard to see Sasuke blushing in part 1 ,though he did out of embarrassment that he didn't knew how to climb the three molding chakra in his feet and he asked Naruto what did Sakura advised him to do (narusasu moment) . So no, i don't think that we should neglect that + the bench scene when she said' '' He is looking at me with warm eyes , it feels that he is looking in my heart''.
Its noted quite strong, so we should keep it in our heads.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
If you remember the incidents in the FOD  when Sasuke got the seal and woke up to had a friendly talk with DOSU and co., she saw in her flashback the Sasuke who was blushing and all that stuff, in other words the Sasuke that she thought he was. Its really hard to see Sasuke blushing in part 1 ,though he did out of embarrassment that he didn't knew how to climb the three molding chakra in his feet and he asked Naruto what did Sakura advised him to do (narusasu moment) . So no, i don't think that we should neglect that + the bench scene when she said' '' He is looking at me with warm eyes , it feels that he is looking in my heart''.
Its noted quite strong, so we should keep it in our heads.

Actually, those lines were very common throughout part 1 and she wasn't there to see him wanting to know how to climb from Naruto. If you read my LAP, I address that it's about not admitting that Sasuke has a dark side and willing to accept it. So yeah. My small 2 cents. Back to work.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I  know i'll get much hate for this but NaruSasu is the only pairing canon for now XDD

 

 That is all I have to say.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

If you remember the incidents in the FOD  when Sasuke got the seal and woke up to had a friendly talk with DOSU and co., she saw in her flashback the Sasuke who was blushing and all that stuff, in other words the Sasuke that she thought he was. Its really hard to see Sasuke blushing in part 1 ,though he did out of embarrassment that he didn't knew how to climb the three molding chakra in his feet and he asked Naruto what did Sakura advised him to do (narusasu moment) . So no, i don't think that we should neglect that + the bench scene when she said' '' He is looking at me with warm eyes , it feels that he is looking in my heart''.

 

Which states the inverse, she did said that and she almost kissed him.

Then comes the controversy when she was about to kill Sasuke, her best moments "with" him pops up.

No trace of bench scene neither comments nothing.

Just her on a background smilling and the "thank you" from her confession.

And on her confession she doesnt bought up this moment.
It's really hard to believe that she's holding SS because of that moment, seriously kishi already killed any trace of logic on this pairing.

 

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 October 2013 - 05:20 PM.

[Psychox]

Which states the inverse, she did said that and she almost kissed him.

Then comes the controversy when she was about to kill Sasuke, her best moments "with" him pops up.

No trace of bench scene neither comments nothing.

Just her on a background smilling and the "thank you" from her confession.

And on her confession she doesnt bought up this moment.
It's really hard to believe that she's holding SS because of that moment, seriously kishi already killed any trace of logic on this pairing.

 

That's true,but did he did it on purpose? We don't know actually why she holds those feelings for him and is unable to let go, so that leads just to that part. Unless Kishi will use it in a different scene. And yes, there is nothing logical in it ,but ... yeah.. Lets just see how it will play out.
 

 

Actually, those lines were very common throughout part 1 and she wasn't there to see him wanting to know how to climb from Naruto. If you read my LAP, I address that it's about not admitting that Sasuke has a dark side and willing to accept it. So yeah. My small 2 cents. Back to work.

My point was to make that Sasuke isn't the tipe that blushes over things regularly or from her affection unlike Naruto does. The other thing with the dark side, he always had it, so i don't know what is keeping her to accept it.Reality hits you hard though .

Edited by Psychox, 07 October 2013 - 05:25 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I saw the commotion over Attack on Titan, I didn't ship anything in that nor avatar but this is actually a funny truth from me:

 

for some reason I only ever shipped anything in Naruto with NaruSaku to be honest.

 

I don't know, maybe its because it had a mold at first or because it was just integrated within the story. I mean Attack on Titan I didn't ship anything in this because well, Its more of a somber and dark setting story. Avatar, it was too predictable I mean seriously, Aang and Katara was too predictable, just too easy to spot from a mile away when the series moved to episode 30, more and more focused on Aang and Katara. Rather the only other obivous thing from the start was Zuko becoming a good guy, I told my friends this around the 3rd episode after seeing he had his own conflicts with his father and well when season 3 came around with the invasion, I just cocked my head saying "I told you this 3 years ago, was it that obvious a main rival like that with his own internal conflict would become good? It was just too predictable. Yeah they said i lost during the season 2 twist in which we thought he would side with aang but instead chose Azula.

 

Guess I only ever shipped NS because it was gradually woven into the story, mainly with the promise and kishi just put more stuff up there like Sakura discovering the nine tails, crying for finding out a jinchurki could die from a tailed beast removal, and the 4 tails incident. That followed by stuff like the hug and discovering Naruto loved her from Sai, it was the sub-romance plot that just kept coming forward and no matter how the fans debated it, the romantic subplot is predominantly Naruto and Sakura, cause well Hinatas for Naruto is just largely unaddressed and Sakura to Sasuke its gone off so long, its been both antagonistic for Sakura and nothing but a childish ideal at this point, hell kishi said years ago it was selfish, even with stuff like the attempted murder and 635 of her not trusting him, its really just going on about it being only an ideal now.

 

 

 

 

 

I suppose I don't see how NaruSaku is any less 'predictable' than Kataang, I saw them both 'a mile away'. Even people here have mentioned how NS follows the common trope of shonen manga, that in itself makes it predicable. But what makes a pairing good is the journey, not whether or not it is overused or formulaic, and Katara and Aang's relationship was gradual too, with its own bumps to the road, the only difference I see is that Naruto is a longer running series.

[Question22]

hitler reacts to 631  XD

 

[sushi.]

Hopefully we'll have him react to 650 too. ^ ;)

[Question22]

Why ? 650 will be the next NS moment?

Edited by Question22, 07 October 2013 - 05:42 PM.

[Psychox]

^We are anticipating it.

Edited by Psychox, 07 October 2013 - 05:45 PM.