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[Don-kun]

guys, what do you think about this?

http://araitsume.tum...arutos-feelings

Don't you think that this is something we being hearing from the NH camp most of the time, speculation and fabrication vs fact.

After Sai witness how far Naruto was willing go to protect Sakura he said Naruto loves her not Hinata and that was after Hinata confession, plus Naruto never told Sakura that his feelings for her changed when she asked him he say that he could not say anything until he keeps his promise and we all saw his initial reaction when Sakura used the L word.

So what do you want to believe, NH personal desire and speculation or what we have read so far in the Manga?

Not to mention that after 235 and the Movie, Kishimoto and the Anime team still believes that Naruto loves Sakura, but for so reason some fans refuse to understand or accept that fact.

Edited by Don-kun, 01 February 2013 - 04:44 PM.

[六道仙人]

I don't understand why people think that Naruto could change his feelings. Those feeling are part of him since the beginning... In the entire manga, I don't even seen anyone who has changed his romantic feelings.
Tsunade still loved Dan after his death despite Jiraiya was with her.
Konan never loved anyone after Yahiko's death
Kurenai now has asuma's son and I doubt that she'll get a new bf
Why should be Naruto, the main character, the only one who would change his feelings? The manga carries his name after all! It's a shounen, non a josei, shojo or seinen. It's a simply shounen from the most predicable manga magazine for boys, the weekly shounen jump. If Naruto will change his feelings then at the end everything which he has carried for all this years, like his motto and his nature, will be f**cked up.

[narusaku4ver]

I don't understand why people think that Naruto could change his feelings. Those feeling are part of him since the beginning... In the entire manga, I don't even seen anyone who has changed his romantic feelings.
Tsunade still loved Dan after his death despite Jiraiya was with her.
Konan never loved anyone after Yahiko's death
Kurenai now has asuma's son and I doubt that she'll get a new bf
Why should be Naruto, the main character, the only one who would change his feelings? The manga carries his name after all! It's a shounen, non a josei, shojo or seinen. It's a simply shounen from the most predicable manga magazine for boys, the weekly shounen jump. If Naruto will change his feelings then at the end everything which he has carried for all this years, like his motto and his nature, will be f**cked up.

Close, it's show that she had feelings for Jiraiya but it didnt come to a closure, because well Jiraiya accepted that he failed and went after Pain and it was obvious that he was going to die even knowing that Tsunade always lose her bets.
In other words Jiraiya took 60 years to reach Naruto's level.
Tsunade's love for Dan was never negative it was mutual and they were dating after all.

All those mentions you forgot about Kushina who didnt love Minato at first time so her feelings changed.
About the second bolded, he can change his feelings he can love another girl but the problem is that it's already too late for this and changing his feelings when he's most close to Sakura and after witnessing that on Sakura's perspective he's more important than Sasuke does not make any sense.
They cant even use the argument that "Sakura loves someome else" because well since the begining he knew about this and he never moved on.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 01 February 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[sushi.]

I don't understand why people think that Naruto could change his feelings. Those feeling are part of him since the beginning... In the entire manga, I don't even seen anyone who has changed his romantic feelings.
Tsunade still loved Dan after his death despite Jiraiya was with her.
Konan never loved anyone after Yahiko's death
Kurenai now has asuma's son and I doubt that she'll get a new bf
Why should be Naruto, the main character, the only one who would change his feelings? The manga carries his name after all! It's a shounen, non a josei, shojo or seinen. It's a simply shounen from the most predicable manga magazine for boys, the weekly shounen jump. If Naruto will change his feelings then at the end everything which he has carried for all this years, like his motto and his nature, will be f**cked up.

I see no valid reason for Naruto to move on because he has a healthy love for Sakura. They enjoy spending time and are comfortable with eachother. (Hinata and Naruto has never had a smalltalk?) Sakura is the one who brings out the best in him, why should he move on and be with Hinata when it is Sakura who have walked aside with him all this time? They've grown up together, that creates such strong bonds. If Naruto moves on, I will never understand what Kishi was trying to say. The best thing I've heard of is something Sawyer said. "Sometimes it just doesn't work out". But that goes against the purpose of this manga and what it has tought me. Even if he falls in love with Hinata, Sakura will IMO always be the one closer to him.

Hinata and Sakura however(mostly Sakura), have an unhealthy love or whatever you want to call it for Naruto and Sasuke. They need to move on, for their own good.

Edited by sushi., 01 February 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[Gravenimage]

guys, what do you think about this?

http://araitsume.tum...arutos-feelings

In other words he's saying that Naruto's feelings for his love interest may shift (meaning he will stop loving Sakura and start loving Hinata). Obviously he's a NH fan and I find his theory biased. I think it's BS that he's coming up with such a theory when there's NOT a single trace of evidence in the manga that indicates Naruto changing his feelings for Sakura and falling for Hinata out of the blue. I haven't seen a single panel that he's thinking of her in a romantic light, Naruto made it VERY CLEAR who he loves back at ch 3. Why do NH fans have to always check for impossible evidence that isn't in the manga to come up with their theories that Naruto no longer loves Sakura??? He made it clear what his feelings for Hinata stand for after her confession from 437 when he didn't even bother to check up on her after he return to Konoha from defeating Pain. Then Kishi made it even clearer with 565 when he saved her and thanked her for saving him when he was about to be taken by Pain (he NEVER brought up her confession, that's enough to say that he's not interested in her that way). Then there's 616 which it was" supposed" to be the chapter to make NH canon, NOT a single thought from Naruto when he hold her hand that he was seeing her in a romantic light (he just took her hand, gave her chakra and let her hand go that's it).

Dear God it looks like the only way solve this problem with NH fans is for Kishi to remind us in every chapter who Naruto loves. In every chapter he will have to make Naruto think about Sakura thinking if she was all right or saying" where's Sakura-chan?" or calling out to her. If he does that it will get annoying, even as a NS fan I have my limits and if I ever see Naruto acting like that then my respect for him will vanish. Because if he does act like that, then he'll be no better than Hinata (who has Naruto in her brain 24/7). Kishi has made it clear, he has done the devleopment and he has shown it through hints and parallels who Naruto loves. The day I see Naruto blushing at Hinata and acting like a complete goofball in front of her, then that's the day Kishi has troll the NS fandom and turn his manga into a pile of sh**.

Edited by Gravenimage, 01 February 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[MangaReader]

I don't understand why people think that Naruto could change his feelings. Those feeling are part of him since the beginning... In the entire manga, I don't even seen anyone who has changed his romantic feelings.
Tsunade still loved Dan after his death despite Jiraiya was with her.
Konan never loved anyone after Yahiko's death
Kurenai now has asuma's son and I doubt that she'll get a new bf
Why should be Naruto, the main character, the only one who would change his feelings? The manga carries his name after all! It's a shounen, non a josei, shojo or seinen. It's a simply shounen from the most predicable manga magazine for boys, the weekly shounen jump. If Naruto will change his feelings then at the end everything which he has carried for all this years, like his motto and his nature, will be f**cked up.

That's a double edge sword in the Naruto Pairing fandom... because technically that means Sakura will never change her feelings either (or that's what get's claimed) Of coarse this also leads to none of the pairings becoming canon because Sasuke's still never gonna love Sakura

[redragon88]

I see no valid reason for Naruto to move on because he has a healthy love for Sakura. They enjoy spending time and are comfortable with eachother. (Hinata and Naruto has never had a smalltalk?) Sakura is the one who brings out the best in him, why should he move on and be with Hinata when it is Sakura who have walked aside with him all this time? They've grown up together, that creates such strong bonds. If Naruto moves on, I will never understand what Kishi was trying to say. The best thing I've heard of is something Sawyer said. "Sometimes it just doesn't work out". But that goes against the purpose of this manga and what it has tought me. Even if he falls in love with Hinata, Sakura will IMO always be the one closer to him.

Hinata and Sakura however(mostly Sakura), have an unhealthy love or whatever you want to call it for Naruto and Sasuke. They need to move on, for their own good.

That could easily be used for Hinata moving on from Naruto. Actually, I think it would look better coming from her.

Chapter 615 actually serves as a great opportunity to give closure to Hinata in that regard. She has finally established herself as an equal towards Naruto, which is what was most important about her development, and also managed to hold his hand as she wished. She has now become as close to Naruto as she can be without getting together with him. If she understands that Naruto doesn't love her the same way she does to him then she'll accept that "it didn't work out", but be glad she was able to come this far with him. And for that she'll never regret the love she had for him.

In a weird way it's precisely because Hinata is the only one that advances her character thanks to her love that it makes the most sense for her to let it go in order to completely grow.

[Gaara's hair]

No male character has changed his romantic feeling.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, Naruto is supposed to be the only one that won't change. I believe Kuruma said it best: once he gets his eyes set on, he will never give up. Everyone else is all up for grabs in terms of changing feelings. Naruto is the role model and protagonist. If that was the case that everyone would never change, then we will forever stuck in a loop. Also, I don't remember who said it, but someone else also said it best that Naruto has the power to change, even to those who claimed to be forever same.

[MangaReader]

No male character has changed his romantic feeling.

Right, but NaruHina shippers will go the distance to make their pairing seem legit. Even holding to the bro/sis theory of Naruto and Sakura

[redragon88]

Right, but NaruHina shippers will go the distance to make their pairing seem legit. Even holding to the bro/sis theory of Naruto and Sakura

Anybody that keeps bringing that up just go tell them to see Chikara. Japan has a very different view of that type of relationship.

[Gaara's hair]

Yeah, like a few years ago people believed that narusaku was incest.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Right, but NaruHina shippers will go the distance to make their pairing seem legit. Even holding to the bro/sis theory of Naruto and Sakura

Oddly enough, that theory is backfiring because lately, I noticed that people can treat each other as brother/sister, but as they grow, one of them or both will fall in love with each other. In short, that theory won't work at all. Yes, this theory can lead a permanent brother/sister relationship, but none of them feels that level, rather to a higher level. In fact, the sibling is taken (Sasuke). Naruto's important people represent different bonding and Sakura fits in romance category.

[Don-kun]

That's a double edge sword in the Naruto Pairing fandom... because technically that means Sakura will never change her feelings either (or that's what get's claimed) Of coarse this also leads to none of the pairings becoming canon because Sasuke's still never gonna love Sakura

You see the thing with most NS fans is that they don't go around saying that Sakura will love Naruto because he loves her, the most a NS fan will say is that Naruto is the main character and most of the times things work in favor of the main character, but even with that said most of the NS fans focus on the growing affection Sakura haves towards Naruto, the development and how genuinely comfortable she feels around him plus the fact that her romantic feelings for him has being questioned by others. Even the Author stated that Naruto was close and that Sakura has not came with an answer regarding her feelings for Naruto.

NH focus on Hinata feelings while ignores that he is a lot more close to another girl who happens to be the girl he loves.

SS focus on Sakura feelings while ignore the fact that they are not the same it use to be and the fact that Sasuke does not feel that way about her, it's being made obvious by the author including the fact that he tried to kill her many times.


The thing I'm noticing with some fans is that they are ignoring the fact that this was Hinata's character final resolution, plus Hinata made it very clear that after this war she is done chasing him.

[narusaku4ver]

That could easily be used for Hinata moving on from Naruto. Actually, I think it would look better coming from her.

Chapter 615 actually serves as a great opportunity to give closure to Hinata in that regard. She has finally established herself as an equal towards Naruto, which is what was most important about her development, and also managed to hold his hand as she wished. She has now become as close to Naruto as she can be without getting together with him. If she understands that Naruto doesn't love her the same way she does to him then she'll accept that "it didn't work out", but be glad she was able to come this far with him. And for that she'll never regret the love she had for him.

In a weird way it's precisely because Hinata is the only one that advances her character thanks to her love that it makes the most sense for her to let it go in order to completely grow.

Sometime i do ask myself what is being equal to Naruto?
She got a development but still she has no objectives of her own, that chapter can be interpreted as good for Hinata or bad for her.
For some reasons i didnt understand the whole "chasing you Naruto"
Naruto said that she was strong for herself and she didnt needed to be strong as him but Kishi simply pull that off suddenly without showing a single panel of Hinata working hard to become strong as Naruto, instead only watching him from behind.

About Neji's death, Asuma, Shikaku and even Ino's parents those death served as a moment for thinking and about everything about life and even love, Neji died and Hinata only cried for a single moment and had any thoughts about life or even love anything, didnt even got a flashback.
It made her being seemed as completely shallow and with off-panels development, i cant understand how people can ship a character like that to be Naruto's wife.
How can a person that only has Naruto as a character that is important for her.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 01 February 2013 - 05:38 PM.

[sushi.]

How do you guys think Hinata will react if Naruto won't be able to save Sasuke? Not that she knows of his obsession with him.. XD

I came to think of this since 615 came out. Hinata seems to think his nindo is flawless. But it is very much what can kill him, neither Hinata nor Naruto knows this, but Sakura does. If Naruto tells Hinata, "I've failed. I don't know what to do. I need your help." I don't think that Hinata is the right person to push him again, because she is the person who has encouraged Naruto to cherish his nindo way, without expectations. Naruto would prove Hinata wrong, his nindo is in no way perfect. I don't even think she would admit that he failed. She would say "No Naruto-kun, you tried your best. That's all that matters." Sakura supports his nindo, but she tells him when she thinks he does something wrong(confession). She must be the person to make sure he keeps on living, she would say "If you fail, you will rise again. Because I will be waiting for you and we will be walking towards our future, together."

Last part was my cheesycheesy fanfiction.

And I also saw something in chapter 617 that made me kind of happy. Naruto said "I don't cut off my bonds with people, and I don't want people to cut off their bonds with me." Then the panel shows Sasuke. I hope this means that even if Sasuke became an evil bastard and Naruto may kill him, he'll never cut off the bond they had.

[redragon88]

Oddly enough, that theory is backfiring because lately, I noticed that people can treat each other as brother/sister, but as they grow, one of them or both will fall in love with each other. In short, that theory won't work at all. Yes, this theory can lead a permanent brother/sister relationship, but none of them feels that level, rather to a higher level. In fact, the sibling is taken (Sasuke). Naruto's important people represent different bonding and Sakura fits in romance category.

Yes, glad to see some people get this. I can't believe how some forget that the core story revolves around Naruto and his bond with Team 7, regardless of how much they're shown or he spends time with.

Sasuke is the bond of the best friend and sibling, and the conflict arises with Sasuke not acknowledging it. Sakura is the bond of the loved one, and the conflict arises with Sakura still loving another. Kakashi is the bond of the mentor, and the problem was that he used to focus more on Sasuke, but now considers Naruto to have surpassed him and is glad he became his student.

The conflict with Kakashi has been resolved, they can bond more but it's already at a positive place. But since the more significant bonds are with Sasuke and Sakura those will come for a later date.

The end result should be with Kakashi as his respected teacher, Sasuke as his greatest friend, and Sakura as his true love. A specific connection to each member. It feels kind of lame for it to end with Kakashi as his respected teacher, Sasuke as his greatest friend, and Sakura as his slightly less significant friend.

[MangaReader]

Anybody that keeps bringing that up just go tell them to see Chikara. Japan has a very different view of that type of relationship.

Oddly enough, that theory is backfiring because lately, I noticed that people can treat each other as brother/sister, but as they grow, one of them or both will fall in love with each other. In short, that theory won't work at all. Yes, this theory can lead a permanent brother/sister relationship, but none of them feels that level, rather to a higher level. In fact, the sibling is taken (Sasuke). Naruto's important people represent different bonding and Sakura fits in romance category.

Yeah, I don't exactly know why they think a bro/sis theory hurts NaruSaku, because as stated, Japan is different on that matter then elsewhere in the world, and it leads to a far better understanding of one another.

You see the thing with most NS fans is that they don't go around saying that Sakura will love Naruto because he loves her, the most a NS fan will say is that Naruto is the main character and most of the times things work in favor of the main character, but even with that said most of the NS fans focus on the growing affection Sakura haves towards Naruto, the development and how genuinely comfortable she feels around him plus the fact that her romantic feelings for him has being questioned by others. Even the Author stated that Naruto was close and that Sakura has not came with an answer regarding her feelings for Naruto.

Funny thing is if you just mention the would main character... somehow to implies your talking about Sakura as well. Don't ask me why, because the guy has a huge hatred for Sakura of which I accidentally deleted the list he sent me of reasons why. But yeah, I don't really believe in the "Sakura can't change her mind if Naruto doesn't change his mind" thing. Kinda ironic that it just goes to show the two are more similar then other fans give them credit for.

NH focus on Hinata feelings while ignores that he is a lot more close to another girl who happens to be the girl he loves.

And that people still cling to the "I like people like you" speech Naruto gave in part 1

SS focus on Sakura feelings while ignore the fact that they are not the same it use to be and the fact that Sasuke does not feel that way about her, it's being made obvious by the author including the fact that he tried to kill her many times.

I still crack up that these people think Sasuke's gonna have a sudden change of heart

The thing I'm noticing with some fans is that they are ignoring the fact that this was Hinata's character final resolution, plus Hinata made it very clear that after this war she is done chasing him.

I saw it that way, but remind me again when she said she was done chasing him... or was that pretty much the context you got from when she was saying she'd be holding his hand?

[Tsubaki]

Don't you think that this is something we being hearing from the NH camp most of the time, speculation and fabrication vs fact.

After Sai witness how far Naruto was willing go to protect Sakura he said Naruto loves her not Hinata and that was after Hinata confession, plus Naruto never told Sakura that his feelings for her changed when she asked him he say that he could not say anything until he keeps his promise and we all saw his initial reaction when Sakura used the L word.

So what do you want to believe, NH personal desire and speculation or what we have read so far in the Manga?

Not to mention that after 235 and the Movie, Kishimoto and the Anime team still believes that Naruto loves Sakura, but for so reason some fans refuse to understand or accept that fact.

lol I'm not buying it, I brought it here because I enjoy reading other opinions, it helps me expand my views on these topics.

Honestly, Naruto is supposed to be the only one that won't change. I believe Kuruma said it best: once he gets his eyes set on, he will never give up. Everyone else is all up for grabs in terms of changing feelings. Naruto is the role model and protagonist. If that was the case that everyone would never change, then we will forever stuck in a loop. Also, I don't remember who said it, but someone else also said it best that Naruto has the power to change, even to those who claimed to be forever same.

THIS! I think I'm really stuck on it! Kishi has spent so many years convincing me that Naruto is the one who never changes, who fights for what he wants, that doesn't give up easily that it's hard for me to believe that he might have a change of heart out of nowhere at the end. If NH had been built during the manga and showing how Naruto's feelings were shifting little by little to Hinata or even letting these two were nearer to one another, I would understand. but now it would be a big damage to Naruto character.

[Slextrem]

I agree with redragon on that one. It's wishful thinking. It's the same mistake that we made when we assumed Sakura no longer loved Sasuke without it being shown in the manga, (although we had reasonable evidence to believe that. In this case, not so much.)

The only argument that can be made about Naruto's feelings changing is that he hasn't mentioned loving Sakura in a while, but the manga hasn't confirmed that at all. I especially don't see how this could be the case when, so far, all of the interactions between Naruto and Hinata have been completely platonic from Naruto's perspective. If anything made his feelings for Hinata flourish, he's been doing a bang-up job hiding it.

Oh, and if they're wanting some evidence that Naruto still loves Sakura after Hinata's confession, just look at these panels (Sorry for not placing this in a spoiler. The panels don't work when I try to put them in one for some reason):
Naruto concerned over Sakura's feelings.


He does what he can to cheer her up (much like she did a few pages beforehand). Tazuma also mentions their love triangle.


Naruto looks worried/hurt over Sakura's tears.



He takes it upon himself, again, to resolve the issue for her sake.


And for fun, Naruto is quick to save Sakura from Karui~



I realize that he doesn't solidly state that he loves her in any of these panels, but look at his expressions. He shows a pained expression specifically because Sakura is hurt once again because of her feelings for Sasuke. Expressions that he probably wouldn't show if he was over her at this point. Pair these panels along with Sai's flashback, and you have solid evidence in both the present, and past, showing that Naruto still loves Sakura after Hinata confesses. Oh, and the argument about Sai's flashback taking place before Hinata's confession is easily countered by the fact that Kishimoto shows it to us after 437.

Edited by Slextrem, 01 February 2013 - 06:12 PM.