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[trang95]

it's not a pairing war though...

Bakugou is a controversial character, and I suppose this is what Horikoshi had intended from the start. It's one of these "bad guys" themes explored in this hero manga. Bakugou will truly understand the meaning of what it means to be a hero as time passes.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're doing what happened to Naruto: overthinking it to make it reality.

[Nar123]

it's not a pairing war though...

 

...it's just a prevention...

[Codus N]

I agree with AHK about Bakugou's whole character. Bakugou telling Deku to stop putting any crazy ideas into his friends' heads is really more about him warning Deku to stop coming up with reckless plans, because one of these days, Deku might kill himself from overdoing it. He knows Deku longer than anyone has, so he knows the kinds of risks Deku's willing to take.

Case in point: the preliminary race. Even Deku was surprised how well that went.

I really don't see him caring the slightest bit towards Ochako this chapter. He acknowledges her strength, sure. But nothing really indicates a possible ship for them both. But that said, I really do love Kacchan's subtle developments. It really balances out Deku's more explicit developments.

[AHK]

Bakugou is a controversial character, and I suppose this is what Horikoshi had intended from the start. It's one of these "bad guys" themes explored in this hero manga. Bakugou will truly understand the meaning of what it means to be a hero as time passes.

Only after he gets an anatomy lesson from Kaneki.

[trang95]

Only after he gets an anatomy lesson from Kaneki.

Crossovers aren't needed for his development XD Have faith in Horikoshi!

 

I agree with AHK about Bakugou's whole character. Bakugou telling Deku to stop putting any crazy ideas into his friends' heads is really more about him warning Deku to stop coming up with reckless plans, because one of these days, Deku might kill himself from overdoing it. He knows Deku longer than anyone has, so he knows the kinds of risks Deku's willing to take.

Case in point: the preliminary race. Even Deku was surprised how well that went.

I really don't see him caring the slightest bit towards Ochako this chapter. He acknowledges her strength, sure. But nothing really indicates a possible ship for them both. But that said, I really do love Kacchan's subtle developments. It really balances out Deku's more explicit developments.

THIS!

Romance is I suppose the cherry on the tip for this manga, but it would still work w/out any teasing/shipping in my eyes.

[AHK]

Crossovers aren't needed for his development XD Have faith in Horikoshi!

 

THIS!

Romance is I suppose the cherry on the tip for this manga, but it would still work w/out any teasing/shipping in my eyes.

That's the kind of pain he needs to go through. 

[LuckyChi7]

Someone has read a lot of mangas to see this already coming XD

About Bakugou: I dislike him as of right now. He annoys me, curses too much, and throws big words. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of him; however, given the way he has been represented from the start up to know does tell me that Horikoshi has planned some character development for him in the future. Was Ochako's encounter the start? I suppose it triggered something in him. Of course nothing romantic, but I suppose he and Ochako will form an important friendship/bond in the future. Not the usual type of friendship we see in BnHA though. But there are a few other rather moments here and there that show some sort of thinking from him.

About this intent of killing: Now, truthfully, I don't think he has that instant desire to "kill" anyone. He more of fights with the intent in his head "I don't give a kitten about my opponents' well-being" as long as I win. The thing is: The means he uses could really kill someone as we've seen in the match-up with Bakugou vs Deku. Irresponsible behavior in my eyes.

Do I think he's evil from the bottom of his heart? No. And I doubt he will become evil. Shouto has a higher chance of becoming one, but the latest chapter with Deku stating that Shouto is not like Mr.Flame Guy gives me a reassuring feeling that whatever happens, Deku will form an important bond with Shouto later on- next to Bakugou (I hope Shouto will become an anti-hero or so later on T_T- no Hakuryuu BS pls) Overall, I like this trio Horikoshi has set up. Unusual in the shounen genre (at least for me it is). None of the three boys, Deku, Shouto, and Bakugou, seem to be compatible friends/allies with each other, but Horikoshi proves otherwise. One of my favorite panels of BnHA is this one where the mangaka decided to include Bakugou into this conversation.

 

I really like this page. Horikoshi didn't have to include Bakugou in here, but he did. Bakugou constantly wonders about the people around him and those who "thwart" him on his way to become Number One. In this case, he realizes that Shouto has indirectly become his rival, too, by declaring rivalry with Deku, his main rival.

If anything, this trio of main guys is one of my favorite aspects about this manga- even more than the romance (which is like something that I don't view as a requirement for this manga tbh).

 

 

 

Okay I guess it's time to make a theory, 

 

I remember this scene pretty well, yet somehow I forgot so thank you trang. 

 

 

Alright so let's assume that Todoroki looses, there's a 50%-50% chance that it could very well be Deku,  and he remembers what his father told him about using his other half ability. Then just as Todoroki is down maybe Bakugou could come in making some kittenish remark that he always does, but somehow it conveys Todoroki to do what's right instead of hearing what Endeavor wants him to accomplish or something like that. I kinda doubt it's going to happen, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. 

[Pix]

No, he definitely means kill. His display against Deku during the hero tag team training is proof enough against that, he actively tried to kill Deku there too, a point which All Might noticed himself. So there was no "he was only just saying it, he doesn't mean 'kill' when he says 'kill'", because he does mean it.

Furthermore, this chapter as it pertains to what tiny development as a character, is nothing new or special, as this scenario where Bakugou showed even a sliver of care has already happened, and he showed an ounce of concern towards Deku following that hero training mentioned above.

Bakugou needs a heaping amount of character development, but what needs to happen first is he needs to get his teeth kicked down his throat (preferably by Deku or Shouto), so he can take that stick out of his ass that doesn't and has never belonged there in the first place.

Also, I saw in your comment above, Deku has shown plenty of outward signs of a crush towards Ochako, including in the past chapter.

Well I simply disagree.

 

With a characterization of Bakugou's, every moment counts. And him considering Urakaka as a worthy opponent and some some "b*tch" at the end of the fight speaks volumes. I very so much doubt it that he was going to actually kill her during the match. If Bakugou was really like that, wouldn't he already have a body count on his hands? For all the times he gets easily pissed off...and that character development doesn't need to necessarily come through straight fighting. If it comes down to Urakaka actually kicking his senses in, then it would be really interesting and a different take. Not even "shipping" wise. Bakugou recognizing Urakaka as a potential rival could be his start to another friendship (like the small one he has with Eijirou).  

 

Like I've said,  it's still too early in the game to make outward decisions. We still have long ways to go, and we don't know what could happen. 

 

But as far as I'm concerned, Deku showed that he like Urakaka, but only because she was the first girl he's ever talked to. And that was all the way in the beginning. Now he's starting to appreciate her for her own personality and her friendship. That's not inferring that he doesn't like her anymore, that's saying that he's probably developing more mature feelings for her, romantic or platonic wise. 

 

Guys, guys...calm down

 

Let's try not to jump start a pairing war here, this manga is too new to take such conclusions about pairings and whatsoever

 

I mean, if we look at Forest of Death arc, going by there with the right development SS might have not turned into the kitten pairing it is today

Lol nobody's arguing. We're just debating. It's all cool. Besides, I have no ship yet. I'm more so focusing on Bakugou's development.

[Codus N]

Okay I guess it's time to make a theory, 
 
I remember this scene pretty well, yet somehow I forgot so thank you trang. 
 
 
Alright so let's assume that Todoroki looses, there's a 50%-50% chance that it could very well be Deku,  and he remembers what his father told him about using his other half ability. Then just as Todoroki is down maybe Bakugou could come in making some kittenish remark that he always does, but somehow it conveys Todoroki to do what's right instead of hearing what Endeavor wants him to accomplish or something like that. I kinda doubt it's going to happen, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. 

Yeah, that's what I think so too. I think both Kacchan and Deku will help Todoroki find his own path without having to live up to Endeavor's ambitions. Both of them might help him see his powers in a different light, not in the way Endeavor envisions them to be. That's my take, anyways.

[Pix]

I think another issue is that just because Bakugou acknowledges Urakaka means it has to be pairing? I mean there's nothing wrong with it, and what's written is written. But they're just as much of a pairing as BakugouxEijirou. In other words, him acknowledging her doesn't mean that he's going to end up falling for her. I also want to point out that him remembering her name does allude to his acknowledgment, considering he barely remembers any of his classmates except for Deku, Todoroki, and Eijirou-his rivals. Just throwing that out there. 

 

Someone has read a lot of mangas to see this already coming XD

About Bakugou: I dislike him as of right now. He annoys me, curses too much, and throws big words. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of him; however, given the way he has been represented from the start up to know does tell me that Horikoshi has planned some character development for him in the future. Was Ochako's encounter the start? I suppose it triggered something in him. Of course nothing romantic, but I suppose he and Ochako will form an important friendship/bond in the future. Not the usual type of friendship we see in BnHA though. But there are a few other rather moments here and there that show some sort of thinking from him.

About this intent of killing: Now, truthfully, I don't think he has that instant desire to "kill" anyone. He more of fights with the intent in his head "I don't give a kitten about my opponents' well-being" as long as I win. The thing is: The means he uses could really kill someone as we've seen in the match-up with Bakugou vs Deku. Irresponsible behavior in my eyes.

Do I think he's evil from the bottom of his heart? No. And I doubt he will become evil. Shouto has a higher chance of becoming one, but the latest chapter with Deku stating that Shouto is not like Mr.Flame Guy gives me a reassuring feeling that whatever happens, Deku will form an important bond with Shouto later on- next to Bakugou (I hope Shouto will become an anti-hero or so later on T_T- no Hakuryuu BS pls) Overall, I like this trio Horikoshi has set up. Unusual in the shounen genre (at least for me it is). None of the three boys, Deku, Shouto, and Bakugou, seem to be compatible friends/allies with each other, but Horikoshi proves otherwise. One of my favorite panels of BnHA is this one where the mangaka decided to include Bakugou into this conversation.

 

I really like this page. Horikoshi didn't have to include Bakugou in here, but he did. Bakugou constantly wonders about the people around him and those who "thwart" him on his way to become Number One. In this case, he realizes that Shouto has indirectly become his rival, too, by declaring rivalry with Deku, his main rival.

If anything, this trio of main guys is one of my favorite aspects about this manga- even more than the romance (which is like something that I don't view as a requirement for this manga tbh).

I love this!  

 

But I have a feeling we're going to get some serious Naruto/Sasuke, Alibaba/Hakuryuu vibes from Deku/Todoroki. I can't say why I feel this way- just know that I do. Hopefully, Horikoshi is the type of writer that's not afraid to deconstruct basic shounen stereotypes (like a man I once knew named Togashi). I haven't seen him do it before, but it would be a really interesting take, writer-wise.   

 

Now, my headcanon is that Ochako works hard enough to even impress Todoroki. I want her to be seen as an acknowledgeable rival by everyone! 

Edited by Pix, 08 April 2015 - 03:24 AM.

[AHK]

Well I simply disagree.
 
With a characterization of Bakugou's, every moment counts. And him considering Urakaka as a worthy opponent and some some "b*tch" at the end of the fight speaks volumes. I very so much doubt it that he was going to actually kill her during the match. If Bakugou was really like that, wouldn't he already have a body count on his hands? For all the times he gets easily pissed off...and that character development doesn't need to necessarily come through straight fighting. If it comes down to Urakaka actually kicking his senses in, then it would be really interesting and a different take. Not even "shipping" wise. Bakugou recognizing Urakaka as a potential rival could be his start to another friendship (like the small one he has with Eijirou).  
 
Like I've said,  it's still too early in the game to make outward decisions. We still have long ways to go, and we don't know what could happen. 
 
But as far as I'm concerned, Deku showed that he like Urakaka, but only because she was the first girl he's ever talked to. And that was all the way in the beginning. Now he's starting to appreciate her for her own personality and her friendship. That's not inferring that he doesn't like her anymore, that's saying that he's probably developing more mature feelings for her, romantic or platonic wise. 
 

Lol nobody's arguing. We're just debating. It's all cool. Besides, I have no ship yet. I'm more so focusing on Bakugou's development.

You disagree even though it was remarked by him that he was going to kill multiple people, and other people besides him acknowledged the fact that he was going to kill people?

No, he wouldn't have a body count, because he expects everyone to kiss his ass because he has some misguided sense of self entitlement. He thinks he's better than everyone else, and he intimidated other people into recognizing him that way. He became willing to kill when Deku showed him up, and he was actively trying to kill him afterwards, just like he was trying to kill Ochako. He doesn't have a short temper, he simply lashes out when he feels someone is threatening his ill-conceived notion of where he is on the food chain. Either way you put it, his actions and words are deplorable. His character is set up on the notion that he needs to get his ass whooped to alter his view and show him that he's not what he's cracked up to be.

Or it might have been that she showed him respect and gave him confidence and comfort in who he is. The fact that she flipped his view of something he was insecure about and made it into something he could be proud of. Or it could be that he acknowledges her motivation and respects it. Or even better, because she saved his life when nobody else would have, and then showed him kindness by lobbying for him to make it into the academy, both of which happened before they ever even spoke a word to each other, and he was extremely grateful for that before he had met her as well. It's definitely not because she was the first gal to talk to him, if anything, it's because she showed him a lot of kindness without even knowing him, and went to bat for him when his own mother wouldn't even do so. His feelings towards her are a lot more mature than you give him credit for.

Edited by AHK, 08 April 2015 - 03:30 AM.

[Codus N]

Actually, you might not see it because it's really subtle, but Kacchan has definitely changed from what he was back then during the battle trial. As Deku notices, the old Kacchan would act all very high and mighty at the podium. But instead, he simply declares he'll be No.1, not that he IS No.1.

He now clearly sees everyone as equal competition. The reason why he made that declaration is because he wants everyone to gun him. That way, he'd be able to stand out and prove himself to everybody.

He's still an arrogant ass, but he is slowly changing. I have no doubt he still thinks himself as above Deku, but he's being more subdued about it instead of lashing out at everybody. Right now, it's the perfect stage to prove and once for all who's superior.

[Pix]

You disagree even though it was remarked by him that he was going to kill multiple people, and other people besides him acknowledged the fact that he was going to kill people?

No, he wouldn't have a body count, because he expects everyone to kiss his ass because he has some misguided sense of self entitlement. He thinks he's better than everyone else, and he intimidated other people into recognizing him that way. He became willing to kill when Deku showed him up, and he was actively trying to kill him afterwards, just like he was trying to kill Ochako. He doesn't have a short temper, he simply lashes out when he feels someone is threatening his ill-conceived notion of where he is on the food chain. Either way you put it, his actions and words are deplorable. His character is set up on the notion that he needs to get his ass whooped to alter his view and show him that he's not what he's cracked up to be.

Or it might have been that she showed him respect and gave him confidence and comfort in who he is. The fact that she flipped his view of something he was insecure about and made it into something he could be proud of. Or it could be that he acknowledges her motivation and respects it. Or even better, because she saved his life when nobody else would have, and then showed him kindness by lobbying for him to make it into the academy, both of which happened before they ever even spoke a word to each other, and he was extremely grateful for that before he had met her as well. It's definitely not because she was the first gal to talk to him, if anything, it's because she showed him a lot of kindness without even knowing him, and went to bat for him when his own mother wouldn't even do so. His feelings towards her are a lot more mature than you give him credit for.

I really feel like you're exaggerating on this. 

 

Like Trang said, he probably didn't have the intention to kill, but once he gets riled up he becomes quite hard to control. Not everybody in the world is going to kiss his ass. Speaking of which, remember chapter 1? Where he almost died? This is why I'm saying that he doesn't truly want to get blood on his hands. He knows very well what it feels like to be on the brink of death, and knows that killing innocent people isn't going to make him a hero. Which is why Neito's point was very true- he wasn't trying to viciously attack her because he realized that she was smart enough to not get hit. His guard was up. And if that was the case, he could have easily blasted her when she stopped moving. He throws around the word "kill", but he hasn't killed anyone yet. Seems to me he's just a big talker. 

 

And as for Deku and Ochako, it could also be noted that that's also what friends do, not just romantic interests. Like I've said, he developing his friendship level with her as of now. He hasn't shown any instant attraction to her since before the Villain invasion, and that was over 20 chapters ago. I mean literally the same argument could be made for Iida- he was one of the first to actually acknowledge Deku's worth as a potential hero and became one of his first friends ever because of his admiration for him. I'd argue that Iida was Deku's first fan. Does that mean they both share a romantic attraction to each other- not necessarily. But the good thing that we know about Deku and Ochako is that they do (well we're not completely sure on Ochako's behalf). But just because it's there does not mean that it is the cause of every single interaction they've both shared.  

 

 

Actually, you might not see it because it's really subtle, but Kacchan has definitely changed from what he was back then during the battle trial. As Deku notices, the old Kacchan would act all very high and mighty at the podium. But instead, he simply declares he'll be No.1, not that he IS No.1.

He now clearly sees everyone as equal competition. The reason why he made that declaration is because he wants everyone to gun him. That way, he'd be able to stand out and prove himself to everybody.

He's still an arrogant ass, but he is slowly changing. I have no doubt he still thinks himself as above Deku, but he's being more subdued about it instead of lashing out at everybody. Right now, it's the perfect stage to prove and once for all who's superior.

I don't think he sees everyone as equal competition (because if he did why would he devalue Ochako at first glance; also he doesn't care about his other classmates) but I do think that he's finally starting to realizing that he's not the strongest there is. Because agility, logic, and speed also come into play. That's what's what he's slowly understanding.

[LuckyChi7]

Actually, you might not see it because it's really subtle, but Kacchan has definitely changed from what he was back then during the battle trial. As Deku notices, the old Kacchan would act all very high and mighty at the podium. But instead, he simply declares he'll be No.1, not that he IS No.1.

He now clearly sees everyone as equal competition. The reason why he made that declaration is because he wants everyone to gun him. That way, he'd be able to stand out and prove himself to everybody.

He's still an arrogant ass, but he is slowly changing. I have no doubt he still thinks himself as above Deku, but he's being more subdued about it instead of lashing out at everybody. Right now, it's the perfect stage to prove and once for all who's superior.

 

 

 

It took Bakugou only 34 chapters to go through some development, and he'll continue to do so. Yet still I'll always say this  still alot better than what Sasuke got out of the entire naruto manga. Yeah I just went there. 

[Codus N]

Yup. Can't agree with you more there. Hori-sensei really learned from Kishi's mistakes.

EDIT: I suppose a better way to put it is that Bakugou has realized that everyone has equal chances to take the top spot, not that he sees everyone on the same footing as him.

Edited by Codus N, 08 April 2015 - 04:14 AM.

[Pix]

Yup. Can't agree with you more there. Hori-sensei really learned from Kishi's mistakes.

EDIT: I suppose a better way to put it is that Bakugou has realized that everyone has equal chances to take the top spot, not that he sees everyone on the same footing as him.

Lol no he didn't he was just chatting up with Kishimoto in an interview lmao I'm looking forward to more love triangles and red herrings and unfinished storylines ftw!  

 

And yes, agreed.

[Codus N]

Please, for the love of god, NO. I'm still waiting for that comic of Mashima beating the bloody hell out of Kishi and give Hori-sensei a crash course on shipping 101.

[Gaara's hair]

.......................I like Bakugou.

[Phantom_999]

That's fine. just as long as you don't give him the Draco in leather pants treatment. No one says an unlikeable character can't be liked, but no true fans should defend their flaws or try reason said character is better than they actually are.

Edited by Phantom_999, 08 April 2015 - 07:37 PM.