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[Otaru]

Kishi said that through his manga he wants the newer generation to know that life is not easy but if we came to an understanding, everything will be okay or something along the lines.

And in the manga he does this by the Ninshuu concept with the symbol on both Naruto and Sakura's clothes, if you observed.

 

That's what I'm feeling from his manga.

Well he succeeded, at least with me LOL

When did he say that ?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wish the jutsu was an explosion, so I can hear Madara saying:

"Where's the kaboom?! There's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!"

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, we are getting around every surface of what if and Sakura continues to be upset. This one is about being in the same team and the fact he didn't react or anything outside of "the hell" when she went in, says everything. We got the opinion on Sasuke being "good", we got trust value, and now we got the care value. What's next? Well, we are closing in so the answer is almost here.

 

And I like that Kishimoto is taking the time to deconstruct Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  That way it's believable, no matter how much others would say differently.   Still, with the time Kishimoto spent on deconstructing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke,  constructing her feelings for Naruto require a fair bit of time as well to have a sense of balance.  I don't want NaruSaku to be instant or happen in a short amount of time after resolving Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  Feelings just don't work that way.  Sakura's changing feelings for Sasuke are a prime example; it's taken a long time to get this far.  Sakura's changed feelings for Naruto needs a good portion of time too.  And we have had it since the beginning with the bench scene and Chuunin exams.  In fact, the main difference between Sakura->Sasuke and Sakura->Naruto is that Sakura herself hasn't contemplated her possible love for Naruto, at least not on panels.   Her lingering feelings for Sasuke are preventing her from doing so.

 

It's implied she loves Naruto from third party accounts, but we have to know her views on it.  The audience needs to know how her feelings changed for Naruto from her own POV, like during Naruto vs. Kiba.  With Sasuke, Kishimoto-sensei continually shows exposition on Sakura's views on Sasuke.  We need that same kind of attention from her regarding Naruto with the same amount of build up.  However, as long as she still has lingering romantic feelings for Sasuke, or at least continues to thinks she does,  she won't think of anyone else that way.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 18 May 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[Gojira]

This chapter kind of did remind me of what Kakashi said before how instead of Naruto who was right next to her she was thinking of Sasuke who is far away.

[Otaru]

People need to remember that in their actual timeline, Sakura has met Sasuke before the war, at most a week ago. Between Team 7 reunion and the start of the war, 3 days have passed, so if you're wondering why now, remember that in Sakura's case, things are still pretty fresh.

 

Yeah that's what I was trying to pull.

[narusaku256]

Honest I only read a couple of the comments not all of them yet, no disrespect to anyone but we already have 47 pages and the chapter came out what 4 days ago, if any of you are offended that I haven't read all of your comments yet I'm sorry. It just the way I read the thread, I go to the last page see the comments respond to something and then I go back and read where I was the last time I checked the thread.
Moving on to the theory I'm mostly talking about Hinata  how Kishimoto is going to use her again. Also just because Kishi stated that he did the Road to Ninja movie and he put somethings in it doesn't mean the infinite tsukuyomi won't happen in the manga.

Maybe you are right. Infinite Tsukuyomi will really occur. Regardless, Hinata's plot is what I really don't understand. Maybe she will see Naruto and Sakura and she will herself move on or....Naruto will address to her personally or its Infinite Tsukuyomi as you said. But she is going to be brought up again and that's for sure.

[Otaru]

So how she will move on from Sasuke since she showed until now she loves him?
She will realize because Sasuke is bad? on which will become good in the end? Not because she will fall in love with Naruto later? Didnt many people here told me many times that Sakura will choose Naruto over Sasuke on equal grounds isnt contradictory to think she's already in love with Naruto when she shows the contrary everytime?
We have Kakashi and that line which can be irrelevant depending on what lead Kakashi to that conclusion.
 
The main reason why i dont get this is that, we already got many moments and even a confession and Sakura thinking about her feelings for Naruto.
Still he pretty much confirmed her feelings for Sasuke after this(Summit) and 540 supporting the fact she still "loves" Sasuke, it was never shown that Sakura has now feelings for Naruto and she acknowledges it, all i see is something platonic whom is strongly inclined become love because Sai told her that Naruto loves her thus making Naruto a potential lover.
 
Yep Naruto loves Sakura but there's also the possibility of open ending.
It's either NS or open ending.

 
I don't think there will be an open ending because Kishi developed all this to a point that it's not possible to let it down.
The fact that he's developing it proves his purpose.
 
This is not so unbelievable that Sakura could love Naruto without realizing how much she loves him.
I think she's aware of  the fact that he's very important to her, but IMO she's not aware that she can't live without him now. (IMO)
 
Does anyone here remember about MAISON IKKOKU manga/anime ?
 

spoiler inside

Kyoko is in love with Yusaku since the very beginning but she isn't really realizing it. She keeps asking herself why her heart is beating so strong, she worries about Yusaku, she gets angry at him... and so on... LOL
I'm aware it's not the same type of story, but this is a recurrent theme in mangas. A girl that doesn't realizing her feelings.

Edited by Otaru, 18 May 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Because Kishi let himself be influenced by audience.

Yes you are correct but that's only when it comes to Sasuke. The pairings remained exactly the same as the first time they were introduced.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
And I like that Kishimoto is taking the time to deconstruct Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  That way it's believable, no matter how much others would say differently.   Still, with the time Kishimoto spent on deconstructing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke,  constructing her feelings for Naruto require a fair bit of time as well to have a sense of balance.  I don't want NaruSaku to be instant or happen in a short amount of time after resolving Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  Feelings just don't work that way.  Sakura's changing feelings for Sasuke are a prime example; it's taken a long time to get this far.  Sakura's changed feelings for Naruto needs a good portion of time too.  And we have had it since the beginning with the bench scene and Chuunin exams.  In fact, the main difference between Sakura->Sasuke and Sakura->Naruto is that Sakura herself hasn't contemplated her possible love for Naruto, at least not on panels.   Her lingering feelings for Sasuke are preventing her from doing so.
 
It's implied she loves Naruto from third party accounts, but we have to know her views on it.  The audience needs to know how her feelings changed for Naruto from her own POV, like during Naruto vs. Kiba.  With Sasuke, Kishimoto-sensei continually hits on Sakura's views on Sasuke.  We need that same kind of attention from her regarding Naruto with the same amount of build up.  However, as long as she still has lingering romantic feelings for Sasuke, or at least continues to she thinks she does,  she won't think of anyone else that way.

On the brightside, at least Naruto don't have to intervene and be like, "How could you like him? He's putting you in danger! I can protect you." You know, actual love triangle. A bad one...

[Nostradamus]

Maybe you are right. Infinite Tsukuyomi will really occur. Regardless, Hinata's plot is what I really don't understand. Maybe she will see Naruto and Sakura and she will herself move on or....Naruto will address to her personally or its Infinite Tsukuyomi as you said. But she is going to be brought up again and that's for sure.

Hinata has always been used as a plot device. And I have a feeling Kishimoto is going to use her again. I don't know how but Hinata making out with the rock is not the end for her. Now if the infinite tsukuyomi happens or not I don't know nor do I know how it works.

Also if it works then it shouldn't work on Naruto and Sasuke, because Naruto has the tailed beasts inside of him and Sasuke has the Sharingan. So let's see.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes you are correct but that's only when it comes to Sasuke. The pairings remained exactly the same as the first time they were introduced.

Hinata too.
Which explains why she has an absurde panel time compared to other side characters.

[Nostradamus]

Hinata too.
Which explains why she has an absurde panel time compared to other side characters.

That's because he's using her.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I think the only logical answer to this question is that the author simply decided to put an end to pairing war now. So there is no logic to why she realizes it now and not before, it's just that Kishi is now slowly killing SS.

 

I wouldn't really be surprised if Kishimoto gives two cents about the paring wars.  They are more rampant overseas than in his own country.  However, I can't help but think Kishimoto gets irked from time to time about the English-speaking fanbase shippers.  Hinata's trip could be considered as a "take that" to the Hinata fans from before in that event he visited overseas during the time of Sakura's confession.  If true, then he can really hold a grudge, and act on it in his own time, not the fans.  The same could apply with SS recently, but SS had anti-build-up since chapter 450, with recent chapters adding to it in the long run, so these events were planned in advance, and probably not a deliberate "take that", but a secondary effect.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's because he's using her.

For what purpose?
If's the same thing over and over, showing how much she loves Naruto with no conclusion at all.

[Gojira]

So is SS still officially dead or did the recent chapter somehow resuscitate it?

[TouKen4Life3g]

So is SS still officially dead or did the recent chapter somehow resuscitate it?

It depends on your view. You answered it in my question of the day.

[narusaku256]

Hinata has always been used as a plot device. And I have a feeling Kishimoto is going to use her again. I don't know how but Hinata making out with the rock is not the end for her. Now if the infinite tsukuyomi happens or not I don't know nor do I know how it works.
Also if it works then it shouldn't work on Naruto and Sasuke, because Naruto has the tailed beasts inside of him and Sasuke has the Sharingan. So let's see.

Yes! Indeed she is gonna be brought up again. Her make out session with the rock is not the last time she was shown. As Kishi said, he would end this manga conclusively meaning he has to take care about Hinata's feelings too.
Even this point(No genjutsu effect on Naruto and Sasuke) was brought up numerous times before XD

[Jenskott]

 

 

This is not so unbelievable that Sakura could love Naruto without realizing how much she loves him.
I think she's aware of  the fact that he's very important to her, but IMO she's not aware that she can't live without him now. (IMO)
 
Does anyone here remember about MAISON IKKOKU manga/anime ?
 

 

I remember it. It is one of my favorites and a masterpiece.

 

Anyway, it was not so simple like Kyoko not wanting admitting her feelings. Kyoko was a widow, and for a long time she did not WANT moving on. Moreover, falling in love again implied to her that she was somehow betraying or dismissing her late husband.

[Nostradamus]

For what purpose?
If's the same thing over and over, showing how much she loves Naruto with no conclusion at all.

In order to put Naruto and Sakura together. The problem is that her fans are incapable of seeing what Kishimoto is doing with her and not just her fans. Kishimoto is using Hinata's undying "love" for different reasons. One of them is to give us the illusion that NH might happen, another one is for Sakura to realize her feelings aka chapter 442, then to show us that Hinata's place is not by Naruto's side chapter 662 and I could go on.

For Kishimoto it's a win win situation. He uses Hinata for different reasons and while he's doing that, her fans are screaming and yelling that Hinata's love for Naruto is amazing and NH is going to happen.

[FireFox]

 

I thought I should share my thoughts about the recent events and something what people is divided to now.

 

A) If Kakashi said was on SS side, well the idea of her falling out is still going on, so it doesn't really add well as well as making Kakashi wrong in many ways. On the other hand, depending on your reading comprehension, not to say you're a fool to read this way or that, if you read Kakashi's words in a ambiguous way, well, join me at choice C.

 

B) This is a tricky one. Much like Hinata's desire in this arc, what if we are reading Sakura wrong in terms of Sasuke? 540 actually has two ways to argue, but who knows who is right. That is until we see the resolution of this buildup. Now, what do I mean about reading it wrong? Well, what if Sakura did truly moved on already, with her knowing it as well? You would argue, "So why she keeps bringing the bad moments when Sasuke does something bad." Let's not forget, he is or was a friend and part of Team 7, so who to say she only concern that Sasuke can be back to Team 7 in a good term or that's long past, no matter what circumstances. Going back to Hinata, many would still argue about her love for Naruto being exploited in this arc. Well, as time goes by, people think she will glue to Naruto forever for the romantic purpose. Turns out it was more of a comrade thing as well as being in the same level. Now, what about Sakura? The only way we find out is the resolution she comes from all these buildups. If she said nothing but Team 7 not being back ever or anything of some sort, then it wasn't about romance, rather about Team 7 smiling together.

 

C) Regardless of Kakashi said that she has moved on, what if Sakura doesn't know herself? Well, let's remember what Kakashi said his words in his mind, not out loud. So, is this another way of Kishi saying, "Sakura got to find out herself. No one should tell her how she truly feels." After all, if you follow the idea of her still loving Sasuke, why did the latest moment with Sasuke not giving a crap even happened as well as her words implying the disappointment. Now if you believe the ambiguous way of Kakashi's words, then if anything, Kishi wants you think on what is Kakashi implying on her feelings. The first panel is very important as the second one addresses the kind heart she has. So if you're confused, you probably wanting to know what exactly he means, so you continue on. Now, here's a problem if you believe in choice A. The very next chapter continue the downfall of SS. Why does it need to happen? Everything should start going upward, if not do nothing to it. Keep in mind, Sakura is about change. Even the last chapter reflects the characters.

 

Naruto: Stronger but the same gentleman.

Sakura: Changed but a sweet heart.

Sasuke: Shady but a lone wolf.

 

So, what is my choice? To be honest, I'm mixed between B and C. I need more time to see how it's interpreted. If I have to choose one, um, maybe B. I don't know. Haha. Sorry, but I tried not to be confused like with Hinata. So there you go.

 

I will also go with B , from 675 to 676 the focus was about T7 and you can see in 675 the hopeful faces of both Naruto and Sakura  when Kakashi says to Sasuke that the fact that they were once T7  doesn't change , they wanted for Sasuke to acknowledge them that they were/are T7 but that didn't happen and this is way in 676 Sakura was sad and thought about Sasuke not caring its because he doesn't care for T7 and for her as a teammate/comrade not because she "still loves" him . 

 

Also what Sakura wants its the same thing what Naruto wants from Sasuke to acknowledge them as T7 , i don't think Sakura wants from Sasuke to see her as a strong woman or anything like that because if you remember in 631 she ask for that but not from Sasuke but from Naruto only Sasuke didn't even phased her then this is something that is also overlooked by the most in here for Sakura is all about T7 and it has been like that ever since P2 started . And i have said this before if Sasuke acknowledges Sakura it will be at the end of the NaruSasu fight when he will acknowledge them both at the same time .