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[Qia]

Qia: If we add in some MK goodness, Minato told Kushina in her dying moments that she was the one who made him Hokage. : ) Obviously, she had a great deal in it.

That's very true! Wow...if only Kishi does something like that....but part of me can't help but doubt things now. . I'm trying to be neutral or somewhere in the middle when it comes to this pessimism and optimism thing so

[CloudMountainJuror]

The bolded is how I am right now. I'm not waiting for anything and it feels so god damn good instead of just torturing myself with constant anticipation. I don't trust Sakura's character with Kishi, and why should I?

I'm the same, too. I've stopped waiting for new Naruto chapters a long time ago.

[swagosaurus]

I don't even get why everyone is so rustled.

Sakura's actually been useful in this arc. Hinata hasn't; she's only played the damsel in distress role. Hinata's not being the heroine, she's being a glorified cheerleader. :/

Edited by swagosaurus, 25 January 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[sushi.]

I don't even get why everyone is so rustled.

Sakura's actually been useful in this arc. Hinata hasn't; she's only played the damsel in distress role. Hinata's not being the heroine, she's being a glorified cheerleader. :/

Sakura got one epic moment. People brush it away, "She only took down a Zetsu". Damn it, she discovered his secret, who knows how many lives she saved? Her observant mind made Shikaku throw Naruto out on the battlefield, as he was the only one who could detect Zetsu.

That was epicawesomegoosebumps, but that's it.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I don't even get why everyone is so rustled.

Sakura's actually been useful in this arc. Hinata hasn't; she's only played the damsel in distress role. Hinata's not being the heroine, she's being a glorified cheerleader. :/

Sakura's been useful...off-screen. No one saw it. On-screen, she smashed the Zetsu and healed Kakashi (who still had to save her because Kishimoto can't even let his heroine save herself from a giant toothpick).

Hinata, however, has not only gotten much more screentime lately; her screentime was also much more significant than Sakura's, whether we like it or not. Naruto was dazed, Hinata snapped him out of it. And she fixed his shoulder. And she's fighting. And Sakura...is nowhere to be seen.

That's partly why everyone is so rustled.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 25 January 2013 - 10:18 PM.

[sushi.]

Hinata, however, has not only gotten much more screentime lately; her screentime was also much more significant than Sakura's, whether we like it or not. Naruto was dazed, Hinata snapped him out of it. And she fixed his shoulder. And she's fighting. And Sakura...is nowhere to be seen.

What is so unrealistic here is that Naruto has been told this numerous times before, by people who actually know this kitten. But Hinata is the only one able to snap him out of it? WAT

In the Pain arc, I thought that Naruto was finally acting like a leader. Then the war came, he said he would save everyone. Itachi warned him. I was hoping he would listen. I thought he did, he was being so cool lately. Then 615 comes, he's not leader yet. That is very unstable, I think I'm losing my mind XD

[Arachnia]

Sakura's been useful...off-screen. No one saw it. On-screen, she smashed the Zetsu and healed Kakashi (who still had to save her because Kishimoto can't even let his heroine save herself from a giant toothpick).

Hinata, however, has not only gotten much more screentime lately; her screentime was also much more significant than Sakura's, whether we like it or not. Naruto was dazed, Hinata snapped him out of it. And she fixed his shoulder. And she's fighting. And Sakura...is nowhere to be seen.

That's partly why everyone is so rustled.

a lot offtopic but Boromir's Catapult plan is not even so retarded!!!!
stupid part of LOTR omg they have giant eagles hmmm wye walk endless if you can fly!!!!!!

and about sakura no screen time and hinata alot i can say only 1 thing if kishi is really planning on NH i would love too see how and laught later:P because i just cant see a way without laughting dont know about you guys:P i mean nothing against hinata but its just too late too rush that pairing.

gogo Boromir you can do it!!!!

[T XD]

Sakura got one epic moment. People brush it away, "She only took down a Zetsu". Damn it, she discovered his secret, who knows how many lives she saved? Her observant mind made Shikaku throw Naruto out on the battlefield, as he was the only one who could detect Zetsu.

That was epicawesomegoosebumps, but that's it.

They use every card they got to put her down. Even if she does something ultimately awesome, they will still try to tell something bad about her.
Then, you have to buckle up and enter in these kind of insane talks to clarify things.

Story of my life.

[Don-kun]

@sushi.
Everything is mostly pointing to a good resolution for Sakura, I can feel it.
Plus complaining about something you don't like is OK but after 40 pages and you are still doing the same while arguing with others who choose to fallow what the own Mangaka stated and is doing is called winning or pessimist.

I love Sakura but I don't believe she is more important than Naruto, but Naruto has gotten worst treatment when it comes to Sasuke to a point we wonder if the Manga should be named Sasuke or the Uchiha Chronicles.

@KnS
This is the problem I have with some Sakura fan, TBH this is the first manga I have ever read where the readers want the heroine to receive the same treatment the main character and the main rival receives. The is not the supper heroes story, or the fantastic 4 or even the justice league, the story is named Naruto everything will revolve around him.
Female main character deserves all the focus from the author, heroines are the person who the hero trust the most while having some great role, I will not deny that Kishi is terrible with his female characters especially Sakura and her love life, to tell you the truth I find many thing really but really silly with her and Naruto's devotion to Sasuke plus how bad he makes them look.
The Kage part, while it sounds very interesting, I cannot buy that theory.
Sakura was right next to Kakashi if she was Summon Kakashi or Naruto would of notice her absence (not that I don't like that Idea because I love it), to have her go to the Kages while Naruto or Kakashi are not wishing her good luck on her way or hopping Tsunade and the other Kages are still alive is just silly, there should be a flashback about their conversation when Kakashi was talking or even Naruto since they are all part of team 7.
So realistically speaking Sakura could only be saving fodders, something that well be another nail on her character, or she is part of some plan, if we all remember in Gaara rescue arc Sakura strength was the one used to open the gates not Lee or Guy Taijutsu so her disappearance for the bad guys does not draw much attention, the some thing cannot say about Naruto and Kakashi.

@zatheko
Well I don't see anything wrong in people saying that they are tired of waiting for Sakura development since Dec. of 2009, the problem is when other are complaining that is too late for Sakura and we should all give up, or saying things like Hinata is doing what Sakura should do, I disagree because Neji was the one who die, Hinata was right next to him and they both share the same nindo, plus Naruto as always being the one who is pep talking Hinata while she always wanted his acknowledgement, what is a better way for Kishi is to fulfill Hinata's desire while not making it strictly romantic on Naruto's side, to me this is a great way to kill two bird with one shot while leaving the way open for when your heroine is ready to hit the stage.


Plus for all the rest who knows that you were not saying that is too late for Sakura and we should all give up, I made it clear that I was referring to those comments.

Disappointed is something we all feel that way another thing is constantly complaining and being negative.

Edited by Don-kun, 25 January 2013 - 10:47 PM.

[CynMichi]

Your theory just made me think of something else. You know how after Hinata's confession came Sakura's hug, right? What if Sakura basically...carries the Kage robes to Naruto instead and sort of gives her own sort of pep talk? It would kinda be a repeat of this in a way:

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Of her not wanting to see his dream crushed but, instead, wanting to help him move towards it. And, even though it's a pep talk, it would be an important moment for him, so what she says to him would also be of great importance. Plus the possibility of him dying with Sasuke would seem more suspenseful if he needs to achieve all of his dreams first.

Agreed! I feel like she could do this before final duel with Sasuke though and it'd very nicely close any question of pairing while giving her character focus!

Qia: If we add in some MK goodness, Minato told Kushina in her dying moments that she was the one who made him Hokage. : ) Obviously, she had a great deal in it.

This would be the proverbial nail in the pairing coffin cementing the Minakushi parallel with one panel. And let's be honest, Naruto has been steadfast for his dream but getting stronger because he fights for what he thinks is Sakura's.

[piinkfairymagic]

This chapter wasn't bad but it wasn't great didn't really catch my eye like last chapter but what can you do.the technique with lee and naruto was badass sorry for my language . But the thing with hinata didn't really bother me she used gentle fist not medical ninjutsu and it really wasn't all that bad as it might seem.okay so the thing with samurai it think mishap is foreshadowing that sakura is going to help naruto and heal his shoulder because I remember when the rest of the alliance arrived naruto says to sakura "Sakura chan them first" and she says got it.I know I might be reading into this but look how long its been since he injured his shoulder and look how long it took for hinata to knock it back in place chapter 617 is when she did it.So yeah I believe she is going to fight with naruto because she was the only one he actual spoke to not Kiba even when joked with him about hinata so that it saying something.Sorry wrote this on my kindle if not readable you can blame me .And for sakura I would like for nine tail chakra cloak to awaken yin release in her also for her to get an amazing healing technique that has never been seen and her taijustsu improving drastically so that way she can heal and fight.Best of both worlds .I refuse to believe kish forgot her when he said he is fond of her and she is the heroine of the manga so yeah . Okay now done ranting jut had to get it off my chest had so much I needed to say.

[StriderC]

Agreed! I feel like she could do this before final duel with Sasuke though and it'd very nicely close any question of pairing while giving her character focus!



This would be the proverbial nail in the pairing coffin cementing the Minakushi parallel with one panel. And let's be honest, Naruto has been steadfast for his dream but getting stronger because he fights for what he thinks is Sakura's.

LOL If Kishi does something like this and uses something from way back in Part 1, when I'd like him to use the bench scene as well then.

[StriderC]

@sushi.
Everything is mostly pointing to a good resolution for Sakura, I can feel it.
Plus complaining about something you don't like is OK but after 40 pages and you are still doing the same while arguing with others who choose to fallow what the own Mangaka stated and is doing is called winning or pessimist.

I love Sakura but I don't believe she is more important than Naruto, but Naruto has gotten worst treatment when it comes to Sasuke to a point we wonder if the Manga should be named Sasuke or the Uchiha Chronicles.

@KnS
This is the problem I have with some Sakura fan, TBH this is the first manga I have ever read where the readers want the heroine to receive the same treatment the main character and the main rival receives. The is not the supper heroes story, or the fantastic 4 or even the justice league, the story is named Naruto everything will revolve around him.
Female main character deserves all the focus from the author, heroines are the person who the hero trust the most while having some great role, I will not deny that Kishi is terrible with his female characters especially Sakura and her love life, to tell you the truth I find many thing really but really silly with her and Naruto's devotion to Sasuke plus how bad he makes them look.
The Kage part, while it sounds very interesting, I cannot buy that theory.
Sakura was right next to Kakashi if she was Summon Kakashi or Naruto would of notice her absence (not that I don't like that Idea because I love it), to have her go to the Kages while Naruto or Kakashi are not wishing her good luck on her way or hopping Tsunade and the other Kages are still alive is just silly, there should be a flashback about their conversation when Kakashi was talking or even Naruto since they are all part of team 7.
So realistically speaking Sakura could only be saving fodders, something that well be another nail on her character, or she is part of some plan, if we all remember in Gaara rescue arc Sakura strength was the one used to open the gates not Lee or Guy Taijutsu so her disappearance for the bad guys does not draw much attention, the some thing cannot say about Naruto and Kakashi.

@zatheko
Well I don't see anything wrong in people saying that they are tired of waiting for Sakura development since Dec. of 2009, the problem is when other are complaining that is too late for Sakura and we should all give up, or saying things like Hinata is doing what Sakura should do, I disagree because Neji was the one who die, Hinata was right next to him and they both share the same nindo, plus Naruto as always being the one who is pep talking Hinata while she always wanted his acknowledgement, what is a better way for Kishi is to fulfill Hinata's desire while not making it strictly romantic on Naruto's side, to me this is a great way to kill two bird with one shot while leaving the way open for when your heroine is ready to hit the stage.


Plus for all the rest who knows that you were not saying that is too late for Sakura and we should all give up, I made it clear that I was referring to those comments.

Disappointed is something we all feel that way another thing is constantly complaining and being negative.

I can't agree with the bolded at all and it actually took my attention so I didn't even finish reading the post. LOL Anyway, there's no "either you're more important than Naruto or you're getting shelved". Sakura is a MAIN CHARACTER. She's not a side character. Her panel time doesn't have to equal what Naruto gets but she sure as hell should be close, and more than a secondary character for sure. Look at Bleach. Rukia gets a significant amount of panel time and she actually has the second most amount of panels and she's the heroine. She's gotten a nice chunk of fights while being a support for the main character, and dealing with her own stuff. That in itself is enough. Hell, if Orihime gets a nice chunk of screentime for a main character. She's third when it comes to panel time. Anyway, you make it sound as though Sakura has to be more important than Naruto before she can get a great chunk of panel time and that's false. The title "heroine" should be enough, and yet, she's in the background doing whatever. This has happened too often. Sure, she's a great support for Naruto, but that's not all she is, and I'm glad it's not otherwise, I likely wouldn't even favor her. It's ironic that she's a female, and she's getting lesser panel time than pretty much everyone in this war. It's quite sad actually.

[CynMichi]

LOL If Kishi does something like this and uses something from way back in Part 1, when I'd like him to use the bench scene as well then.

Absolutely I second this ! I want the admission and forehead kiss at the conclusion....and perhaps another reference from Part 1.
Naruto vs Sasuke fight and Sakura jumps in between....could happen...again.

Maybe it's me being a uber fangirl but I'd also love an opportunity, don't care how or when, with Sakura plainly telling Naruto "I'm not a liar" and him getting the meaning from the confession scene. This way Sakura, being tsundere, could get her feelings across without being overly embarrassed and keeping other ears out of the loop.....except Kakashi and Yamato (wherever he is) they would most likely understand.
maybe Lee too if we see him do a mouth gape.

[Chucky-kun]

I can't agree with the bolded at all and it actually took my attention so I didn't even finish reading the post. LOL Anyway, there's no "either you're more important than Naruto or you're getting shelved". Sakura is a MAIN CHARACTER. She's not a side character. Her panel time doesn't have to equal what Naruto gets but she sure as hell should be close, and more than a secondary character for sure. Look at Bleach. Rukia gets a significant amount of panel time and she actually has the second most amount of panels and she's the heroine. She's gotten a nice chunk of fights while being a support for the main character, and dealing with her own stuff. That in itself is enough. Hell, if Orihime gets a nice chunk of screentime for a main character. She's third when it comes to panel time. Anyway, you make it sound as though Sakura has to be more important than Naruto before she can get a great chunk of panel time and that's false. The title "heroine" should be enough, and yet, she's in the background doing whatever. This has happened too often. Sure, she's a great support for Naruto, but that's not all she is, and I'm glad it's not otherwise, I likely wouldn't even favor her. It's ironic that she's a female, and she's getting lesser panel time than pretty much everyone in this war. It's quite sad actually.

In part 1 Sakura was in all but 1 of the canon arcs.(tsunade search)
In part 2 Sakura was in all but 1 of the canon arcs.(confining the jinchuricki arc)

Hinata, after her intro, was then seen in the pain invasion arc. After that she basically disappeared and then made another entrance in the world war arc.

[sushi.]

In part 1 Sakura was in all but 1 of the canon arcs.(tsunade search)
In part 2 Sakura was in all but 1 of the canon arcs.(confining the jinchuricki arc)

Hinata, after her intro, was then seen in the pain invasion arc. After that she basically disappeared and then made another entrance in the world war arc.

Just because she is there, doesn't make her more important. I am so glad Kishi didn't draw her in 617, that may mean that she's not on the battlefield. It doesn't help if she's just..there. She's done one cool thing in each arc, but she is nowhere near any of her teammates! D:

Edited by sushi., 25 January 2013 - 11:41 PM.

[Zatheko]

You know what I would love, for sakura to punch sasuke through a wall, that would be great

[Don-kun]

I can't agree with the bolded at all and it actually took my attention so I didn't even finish reading the post. LOL Anyway, there's no "either you're more important than Naruto or you're getting shelved". Sakura is a MAIN CHARACTER. She's not a side character. Her panel time doesn't have to equal what Naruto gets but she sure as hell should be close, and more than a secondary character for sure. Look at Bleach. Rukia gets a significant amount of panel time and she actually has the second most amount of panels and she's the heroine. She's gotten a nice chunk of fights while being a support for the main character, and dealing with her own stuff. That in itself is enough. Hell, if Orihime gets a nice chunk of screentime for a main character. She's third when it comes to panel time. Anyway, you make it sound as though Sakura has to be more important than Naruto before she can get a great chunk of panel time and that's false. The title "heroine" should be enough, and yet, she's in the background doing whatever. This has happened too often. Sure, she's a great support for Naruto, but that's not all she is, and I'm glad it's not otherwise, I likely wouldn't even favor her. It's ironic that she's a female, and she's getting lesser panel time than pretty much everyone in this war. It's quite sad actually.

Rukia is a grat fighter but to be honest she is being save so many times by Ichigo and Byakuya so is not the same, Nami is a support type, Orihime is a support type, Akane from Ranma is a support type, Bulma was a support type, the big different with Kishimoto is that he focus that much on his bad romance story that it hurt Sakura character in many ways.

About level of equal role in Naruto, is one reason why some NS fans don't like Sakura, I haven't seeing it here but I seeing it a lot in NF and with some ex-Sakura fans, plus this is the same reason why I dislike Hinata fans.
Main Hero and heroine.
Nami and Luffy are not on the same level.
Rukia and Ichigo are not at the same level.
Goku and Bulma.
Winri or Winry and Ed.
Inuyasha and Kagome.
there are so many example and no of those female fans are complaining about their role even when they are worst tsunderes, with Naruto many feel that she needs to be a powers house, why I don't know. I want Sakura to do something great because I want Kishi to shut up the haters mouth not because I believe that she most get and important fight or save the alliance to be complete, she could land the finale punch to Obito but become her part one self again and she will be hated even more.

Sakura is OK with her character, more panel times will be welcome, her problem is that she became a victim of Kishimoto bad romance writing and the fact that many believes that she is only using Naruto to get with Sasuke is what make many fans dislike her, plus is doesn't help when there is another girl who is devoted to Naruto even 540 made it even worst.

Again we need to be honest with ourselves, we have read and watch so many stories and in none of them the heroine and the hero were on the same level, the most we could say is that in those Shounen stories no matter how Strong the main character is/was the main female will always make him seem like an obedient child.

You know what I would love, for sakura to punch sasuke through a wall, that would be great

Not only that, but tell him that not because Naruto sees him has a great friend she will still be the shallow fan girl he new from the past from know on she will always value herself first.
Then ask her self how could she be that naive.
Men that would make me a very happy Naruto reader, who knows I might buy myself all the latest video games for PS3.

Edited by Don-kun, 26 January 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[sushi.]

^Wasn't Sakura going to surpass Tsunade? Isn't she going to be one of the next sannin or something? Tsunade could fight Orochimaru, but Sasuke could take Sakura with only a few shots.

And some of the comparisons doesn't fit. Nami is not a fighter(mainly), she is a brain. She's a navigator. Luffy fights, she shows the way. That's what OP is, each member of the crew can do their thing. The characters stated this several times. And Inuyasha is a half-demon, making him quite powerful compared to a schoolgirl from the 20th century. I haven't watched all the FMA episodes, but so far, Winry doesn't look like an alchemist/fighter at all.

Edited by sushi., 26 January 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura actions are not Naruto centered she does nto have a tunneled vision, she does things for Naruto but she does things on her own, with Hinata all her appearances and quotes are Naruto related on part 2.