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[Tiller]

Then why is Sakura popular on west? lol

Where is she popular in the west? Even many of us who defended her for years had to turn against her when her final canon status was revealed, because in the end she was the same fan girl she was in chapter 3-4, and any character development she had was stripped from her.

 

Baring 699-700 being shown to be, BS, Kishimoto completely ruined her character development at the alter of SS.

 

If your asking me why SS likes her, it's because she suffers to get in the cool guys pants. Her loyalty despite murder attempts, Sasuke turning evil, and him even leading two coup's (one that almost killed her teacher) wasn't enough to break her obsession with "the hot guy". They hated the idea that she had "grown" beyond that child like obsession for "the hot guy", and when it was shown in 699 and 700 that ultimately she never truly did grow beyond that, they were the ones who cheered, well every other fan group except maybe for NH just felt disgusted.

 

Sakura is not well liked now canon wise by anyone besides SS. Even her in our community I think people love Sakura for what she was once shown to be, and should have been. Not what she was shown to be in Kishimoto's head, and therefor in canon.

Edited by Tiller, 27 November 2014 - 05:28 PM.

[Princess Iris]

please guys, stop blaming him

He is NEITHER a troll NOR a lurker

[NarutoUzumaki01]

it was me who posted about Sakura & my friend told me about this tweet & Thus guy was even blocked for asking too many questions

Eh... sorry I can't undestand this properly 

So, you are the one, who got this tweet/or your friend tell you about in. And that person didn't have any interaction on you situation, and still get info, right?

 

Where is she popular in the west? Even many of us who defended her for years had to turn against her when her final canon status was revealed, because in the end she was the same fan girl she was in chapter 3-4, and any character development she had was stripped from her.

 

Baring 699-700 being shown to be, BS, Kishimoto completely ruined her character development at the alter of SS.

 

If your asking me why SS likes her, it's because she suffers to get in the cool guys pants. Her loyalty despite murder attempts, Sasuke turning evil, and him even leading two coup's (one that almost killed her teacher) wasn't enough to break her obsession with "the hot guy". They hated the idea that she had "grown" beyond that child like obsession for "the hot guy", and when it was shown in 699 and 700 that ultimately she never truly did grow beyond that, they were the ones who cheered, well every other fan group except maybe for NH just felt disgusted.

 

Sakura is not well liked now canon wise by anyone besides SS. Even her in our community I think people love Sakura for what she was once shown to be, and should have been. Not what she was shown to be in Kishimoto's head, and therefor in canon.

I was intresting in answer on Sakura till 699. But that's okay.

[Tiller]

Sasuke may be an ass but I think he has the "coolest" design and jutsus'. But of course thats just me.

I think he's a shallow character, who was best served when he was presented as a truly evil menace to society. That what he should have stayed as I personally believe. Kishimoto completely ruined a lot of the story for me when he tried to make him something beyond that. Just my two cents.

 

And before it's brought up, I don't think Kishimoto had the talent to write a story based on the ideas that there are truly "no bad guys" in the world, which seems to be the argument he is trying to push in his theme.

[Khaleesi]

Sooo... Kishi gets to explain WHY he didn't put much more on Sakura's family in the manga AFTER the movie appears??? HMMMMMMMMMMM, interesting.......

Didn't he already explain that, tho? In RTN he said that he didn't know in what situation present her parents. So, he used RTN as excuse. Which...sounds good, tbh. 

"I created them for RTN" :v

[Princess Iris]

Uh... are you sure? Doesn't seem that way02

yes


I posted the tweet ...

my friend, Asa told about that tweet & he was blocked for asking too much questions

I even came to know that a HUGE Misunderstanding is going on between Chatte & Athrax(i can't spell)
and I am100% sure cuz of what I posted
I understood that he is one of NS fans who aren't ready to lose hope

[XJohnnyApprovesNarskuX]

Sasuke may be an ass but I think he has the "coolest" design and jutsus'. But of course thats just me.

Itachi still cooler :)

[milan kyuubi]

I have a friend who knows a friend who has a cousin who knows a friend who has a cousin oversea and knows a friend who works for George Lucas. Who asked George Lucas about the Naruto ending. George Lucas called Kishi asked him why did you destroyed your own work. Which Kishi responded with Jar Jar Binks and hung up the phone!

[NarutoUzumaki01]

yes


I posted the tweet ...

my friend, Asa told about that tweet & he was blocked for asking too much questions

I even came to know that a HUGE Misunderstanding is going on between Chatte & Athrax(i can't spell)
and I am100% sure cuz of what I posted
I understood that he is one of NS fans who aren't ready to lose hope

Asa Ch = that person, surprise. Chatte spoke about it.

 

I think he's a shallow character, who was best served when he was presented as a truly evil menace to society. That what he should have stayed as I personally believe. Kishimoto completely ruined a lot of the story for me when he tried to make him something beyond that. Just my two cents.

 

And before it's brought up, I don't think Kishimoto had the talent to write a story based on the ideas that there are truly "no bad guys" in the world, which seems to be the argument he is trying to push in his theme.

Intresting, that despite his a**hole nature, personaly I coudl understand his revenge on Itachi and then on Konoha, but afterwards his motive became sad-sado=sa-od-1m24 pms=padmk a=s like this. And Naruto beating kitten out of him - just naturally.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 27 November 2014 - 05:45 PM.

[Princess Iris]

Yeah, I came to know that later after I added him

I lurked into his account to know if he was lying
but NO, My mistake he wasn't lying

I had some conversations with him & his friends

one of his friends is mine too & u know what she said,

she said " YOU & Chatte are our only hopes
I request you to please stop this & become partners"

[Khaleesi]

didn't Oda criticized Naruto's ending? I saw it on tumblr and it has ForneverW or somethng like that speaking about it but idk

[Tiller]

 

I was intresting in answer on Sakura till 699. But that's okay.

 

Sakura's problems go beyond 699-700. To get into a truly honest discussion would derail this thread way to much. But the quicknotes version amounts to this.

 

For starters compare Sakura in early part 2, to her character at the end of Part 2. I don't just mean the final two chapters btw. Once you do that ask this question to yourself. What difference in tone surrounds her character? In early part 2 she was developing into an action girl, who had deep feelings for other characters around her, she didn't have a single minded nature in her goals. and was becoming as powerful as any other character in the story. Lady Chiyo even outright says this as she is dying. By the end of part 2 she is basically there to be insulted by Sasuke. She doesn't stick up for herself, she barely fights, and even when she is fighting it starts with her thinking or saying things like "even though I'm a woman..."

 

Then look at the Kishimoto sexiest quote, that literally almost caused me to meltdown. lol See how her creator thinks of her in his head.

 

Finally look how in the end, it was all about Sasuke. Well early part 2 and up to a bit past the Kage Summit meeting, it was obvious that Sakura was becoming a more three dimensionally developed character. After that though her character development declines until eventually she outright regresses, and everything once again reverts back to "Sasuke-Kun" mode. The only time this regression was stopped was when Naruto's parents showed up in the narrative.

 

So to lets change your question slightly from "Why does the west like Sakura?" to "Why does anyone like Sakura?". The answer to that question is "Which Sakura are you talking about?"  But I'm not going to say anymore for now. I've derailed this thread enough and apologizes to anyone who doesn't want to see that happen.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

What? I thought they were friends. Also didn't he pay tribute to the ending in his own manga.

 

Something about it not appearing on Shonen Jump's main cover or something, but there could be more to it. I dunno. =/ And even if he paid tribute, it doesn't mean he didn't LIKE the ending.

[milan kyuubi]

At least my other OTP is not disappointing me! XD

 

http://milankyuubi.t...st/102869550486

Edited by milan kyuubi, 27 November 2014 - 05:55 PM.

[ichigo500]

didn't Oda criticized Naruto's ending? I saw it on tumblr and it has ForneverW or somethng like that speaking about it but idk

I saw on tumblr that he wasn't complaining about Naruto's ending, but about the fact that WSJ didn't make a Naruto cover when the 699/700 were released (I can't find this pic )

[Tiller]

I always thought Naruto had its own special story about changing the heart of the bad guys. I really didn't have a problem with it. If I wanted to see a villain truly get what he/she deserved, I would watch DBZ.

I expected Naruto to bring the good out of Sasuke, otherwise what would have been the point of trying to bring him back all this time.

I think Kishimoto tried to do this, but he failed miserably at it.

 

Further there are some things you don't come back from, no matter how much your heart changes. Once you start a world war, try to start a coup twice, become a terrorist, and become the main cause of death and pain for most of the known world's population, because you can't handle the events that happen in your life, well you don't get to "come back". Especially not after a "yeah... sorry".

 

For it to even be close to being done right, it would have required Sasuke to have sacrificed his own life. Like Darth Vader does. Vader was corrupted, his very body breaks down even after the fight in the lava, and he becomes more machine then a man, all because of his temper, anger, and hatred. Although he does at the last moment regain some of his consciousness (he finally realizes what a horrible person he has become), and once again shows that he once was a hero, it doesn't change the fact the he also ruined  the lives of billions throughout the galaxy.

 

Vader isn't redeemed so much as he shows in the end that he realizes that he was wrong, and in a last ditch effort to stop the madness that he largely caused he takes down the Emperor with his final action. He still died for his sins though, and the only true chance of redemption he has as a man will come from the good his children do from that point on, in fixing the mess he made. Vader still needed to suffer for what he had done though, which is why it cost him his life.

 

Sasuke did none of that. He doesn't pay for the pain he causes, he doesn't even have a good explanation. What we are told is that in affect he was throwing a hissy fit this whole time, but deep down loved everyone in the village still, and more specifically loved Team 7 the entire time. Yet he tried to destroy the village in general, and team 7 specifically multiple times. That is such a jarring and unrealistic tone shift, that it ruins much of the story. For me at least. I can go on more about this, but again I've taken to much time as it is.

[Tiller]

didn't Oda criticized Naruto's ending? I saw it on tumblr and it has ForneverW or somethng like that speaking about it but idk

 

I saw on tumblr that he wasn't complaining about Naruto's ending, but about the fact that WSJ didn't make a Naruto cover when the 699/700 were released (I can't find this pic )

Your correct. He was just complaining that Kishimoto didn't get a front cover. Oda would never undermine Kishimoto though, they are friends after all. Even if he didn't like the final it's not like he would say anything publicly. I'm sure he hopes nothing but the best for his friend.