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[PachucoDesigns]

Why there's so much focus on Sakura hitting Naruto? when was the last time she hit him? yes people 450 was the last time, now do you really think there be another hitting scene with this new Naruto? he his a lot more mature and this is no longer the same Sakura after learning how Naruto feels about her and the person he become in her mind. Plus they has been so many manga/anime where the main girl hits the main guy and it's not blown out of proportion the same way.
Why is Naruto so different? I know that answer, because there is Hinata a girl that never hit Naruto, never disrespect him, never belitted him, she always love him (how can she love him when she not even know him personaly).
Is the comparison between fans with the two girl people, because I read manga and see anime with girl that have Sakura personality and even worse, but in those anime/manga there is no Hinata a girl that many with like to see end up with main guy. The Sakura bashing and the checking for all her flaws is only because people tend to compere her with Hinata...

Like Kishi mention before Sakura is not Hinata.

Another Example:
Naru/Ino By far my 2nd favorite couple. A lot of people don't seem to like this pairing because they hardly know each other, well news flash people Naruto doesn't know a damn thing about Hinata and there are like 14,374 listings for that pairing.

Trusts me is the Hinata effect that make people argue so much about Sakura character, there are so many character with this personality those personalities are so popular among manga/anime but only Sakura character is the one that's been argue the most.

In no way have I been comparing her to Hinata. Even if Hinata didn't exist, I would still have the same objections. You're right, she hasn't hit him recently. Doesn't mean it was right back when she did. Yeah, most of the argument about this is going toward Sakura. But then again, you will notice that Naruto is one of the most popular animes in the world right now. So, of course, she's going to get more attention than any other character like her. And seeing as how you are an adamant NS fan, your perception is a bit distorted. Because the criticism is being focused toward your favorite pairing, you lose perspective of the criticisms against other pairings, and against other characters like her in other animes. I don't care how many other characters there are like her out there. It doesn't make her flaws go away, nor does it justify her mistakes.

[Soul]

In no way have I been comparing her to Hinata. Even if Hinata didn't exist, I would still have the same objections. You're right, she hasn't hit him recently. Doesn't mean it was right back when she did. Yeah, most of the argument about this is going toward Sakura. But then again, you will notice that Naruto is one of the most popular animes in the world right now. So, of course, she's going to get more attention than any other character like her. And seeing as how you are an adamant NS fan, your perception is a bit distorted. Because the criticism is being focused toward your favorite pairing, you lose perspective of the criticisms against other pairings, and against other characters like her in other animes. I don't care how many other characters there are like her out there. It doesn't make her flaws go away, nor does it justify her mistakes.

Since when Sakura hitting Naruto was a mistake? Now you'll tell me, A girl hitting a guy is wrong. Well, That's your point of view. But we don't see it wrong at all (As a tsundere). I read your posts and you don't see it in a humor light. But we do.

I did notice something. You blame Sakura for hitting Naruto, And all what she did to him. (I don't see it wrong again..). But you shouldn't blame her. Kishi wrote it that way. For people to accept. And If you didn't, That's fine, No one forced you to.

Edited by Zeref, 03 April 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[The Tax-Man]

Look, man, I don't understand how you don't get my objection here. In the Narutoverse? This form of misandry is the standard in every fictional world you have ever seen or will ever see in television shows, in movies, in books, in commercials, in comics and manga, in paper advertisements, and in all other forms of media. Our perception of right and wrong is portrayed through our media just the same as anything else, and this is just one more thing contributing to the fact. In fact, it's so bad that the word "misandry" isn't even recognized by most standard spell checkers, including the one in this browser.

That being said, I am not the one who keeps bringing this up. I let that ship sail a while ago, but people who contest what I say keep bringing it up. All I'm doing is answering them.

Okay, since you seem to be worried so much about how our societal values are portrayed, how about you stop focusing on the trivial thing in Naruto? How about other things? Like you know, ten year olds being taught how to assassinate and kill and sixteen year olds fighting in bloody wars. Does THAT portray our values? Can you justify that in context? Exactly. This is not meant to be taken seriously, and if you want to complain, at least complain about the right thing.

[Don-kun]

In no way have I been comparing her to Hinata. Even if Hinata didn't exist, I would still have the same objections. You're right, she hasn't hit him recently. Doesn't mean it was right back when she did. Yeah, most of the argument about this is going toward Sakura. But then again, you will notice that Naruto is one of the most popular animes in the world right now. So, of course, she's going to get more attention than any other character like her. And seeing as how you are an adamant NS fan, your perception is a bit distorted. Because the criticism is being focused toward your favorite pairing, you lose perspective of the criticisms against other pairings, and against other characters like her in other animes. I don't care how many other characters there are like her out there. It doesn't make her flaws go away, nor does it justify her mistakes.

Dude is the Hinata effect it has nothing to do with me been a NaruSaku fan, plus the way you speak about me been blinded by me preference for the NS couple is like telling us you are not a NaruSaku fan yourself. Be honest about it is ok to like another pairing with out pretending to like someone or something you don't like.
People generally think that way about Sakura because they feel Hinata treats Naruto a lot better than her and it will only right for the manga to end NaruHina.
That's the only reason why the people focus so much on Sakura's flaws.

About Naruto been a popular Manga, there is One Piece- and there is Nami, the hits she give Luffy has no name, but is funny why? because that's the purpose is for comic relief.

To be honest this new Sakura since part two has only hit Naruto 5 times and only 2 of them were stu*id the Name scene and 450 hug.

I think They has to be another reason on why you made this bother you so much.
People who like NaruSaku and over look that part off her (Kishi made her that way) do we like it? no but thats the way it's, plus many people who likes other pairing normily do the same. I don't get it why Sakura's character bothers you that much.

Okay, since you seem to be worried so much about how our societal values are portrayed, how about you stop focusing on the trivial thing in Naruto? How about other things? Like you know, ten year olds being taught how to assassinate and kill and sixteen year olds fighting in bloody wars. Does THAT portray our values? Can you justify that in context? Exactly. This is not meant to be taken seriously, and if you want to complain, at least complain about the right thing.

This too.

Edited by donjoseph19, 03 April 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Strangelove]

In no way have I been comparing her to Hinata. Even if Hinata didn't exist, I would still have the same objections. You're right, she hasn't hit him recently. Doesn't mean it was right back when she did. Yeah, most of the argument about this is going toward Sakura. But then again, you will notice that Naruto is one of the most popular animes in the world right now. So, of course, she's going to get more attention than any other character like her. And seeing as how you are an adamant NS fan, your perception is a bit distorted. Because the criticism is being focused toward your favorite pairing, you lose perspective of the criticisms against other pairings, and against other characters like her in other animes. I don't care how many other characters there are like her out there. It doesn't make her flaws go away, nor does it justify her mistakes.

If Naruto didn't want to be hit by Sakura then he should have


DOOOOOODGE!!!

In other words, when Sakura hits Naruto it is meant for comic relief.



And what The Tax Man said was true, Naruto portrays child soldiers, which is consider disgusting in all parts of the world.

Edited by Strangelove, 03 April 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[ciardha]

Now, as for calling him an idiot and such. Yeah, Sakura can be a little harsh at times, but that's just how her personality is and to be honest, just like the hitting thing, most of the time it's just a matter of her calling him out whenever he's acting like an idiot/pervert, like a true friend should..

It's a key defining point to a tsundere girl character. If a female character calls a male character "baka", "hentai' and punches him- tsundere. Good grief, those three points were already so obvious by time Ranma 1/2 was animated that Akane has a song simply called the "Baka" song- in which 3/4 of the songs lyrics are "baka" Someone did a hilarious AMV to it several years ago.... found it on You Tube


Also in a similar vein a well known Kaoru/Kenshin AMV, and yeah the song is a good description of the tsundere type character




Baka has also long (at least since the later Edo period) been a term of teasing affection amongst couples. (That was such a common thing that it appears in many of Ozu's classic movies in the 1940's- 1960's and usually the female character to the male character) Sakura uses it exactly that way- in teasing affection to Naruto in the nickname chapter- 311.

[lord287]

In no way have I been comparing her to Hinata. Even if Hinata didn't exist, I would still have the same objections. You're right, she hasn't hit him recently. Doesn't mean it was right back when she did. Yeah, most of the argument about this is going toward Sakura. But then again, you will notice that Naruto is one of the most popular animes in the world right now. So, of course, she's going to get more attention than any other character like her. And seeing as how you are an adamant NS fan, your perception is a bit distorted. Because the criticism is being focused toward your favorite pairing, you lose perspective of the criticisms against other pairings, and against other characters like her in other animes. I don't care how many other characters there are like her out there. It doesn't make her flaws go away, nor does it justify her mistakes.

I really become very angry when i read posts such as urs because hitting someone with not a killing intent but a friendly manner cannot be considered a bad thing for the pairing or even for the characters!!! I mean many girls do this to their guy friends evrywhere!! moreover fo u really think if naruto considered it to be rough he wouldn't have stopped her from hitting him then and their. He also knows that she does this only in friendly way to show her affection towards him and don't tell me you think that naruto can't dodge sakura's punch because she has got superhuman strength...LOL!

i really feel like going and teach a lesson to all people who use this thing to bash a character or a pairing!! and by these things i mean if it is only in friendly way and not as the one sasuke was going to do to sakura if kakashi and nthen naruto would not have saved her, because that was for killing intent!!

moreover why many people forget that this thing is least of our(NS shippers) worries. The main problem for NS shippers worry is that their is still no strong proof that sakura has developed romantic feelings for naruto and we(NS shippers) kind of know if kishi has really got some brains in romantic side just as he have got in the bromance side(between sasuke and naruto) he will defintely end naruto and sakura together with sakura coming to love naruto with full explanation for her older acts like fake confession etc.

[catsi563]

Add in a simple numerical fact that at present manga count Sakura has actually hit Naruto at most 6-7 times in total in a pushing 600 chapters manga. And you up end the ridiculous argument that Sakura is this abusive harpy on its proverbial ear.

[ciardha]

Add in a simple numerical fact that at present manga count Sakura has actually hit Naruto at most 6-7 times in total in a pushing 600 chapters manga. And you up end the ridiculous argument that Sakura is this abusive harpy on its proverbial ear.

Exactly. It's just an empty excuse to bash Sakura. (As Jenskott and others have also pointed out.) I just see flamebaiting behavior from that. It's tiresome.

[Nate River]

Add in a simple numerical fact that at present manga count Sakura has actually hit Naruto at most 6-7 times in total in a pushing 600 chapters manga. And you up end the ridiculous argument that Sakura is this abusive harpy on its proverbial ear.

If someone told you that they only beat their spouse 6-7 over the course of 600 days or a few years would you decline to call them an abuser because of the length of time?

The problem with your argument is that for it to have merit you have to on some level accept the legitimacy to the claim that what Sakura does constitutes abuse at all (and it's obvious you don't). If played straight...obviously it would, but if we do that the fact that it is over 600 chapters is irrelevant because it would be an awful thing to do anyway.

If Kishimoto employed it with the frequency used in Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, and Love Hina, would it effect your opinion at all? The intent of the author is the same whether it's employed five times or a hundred times. It's cheap slap-stick comedy. Overuse would make it old and stale, but it doesn't make her an "abusive harpy" either way.

It probably would effect my opinion somewhat, but that comes down to the fact I don't think the trope is funny, so the more dominant of a trait for the character it is the harder it is for me to look past it and enjoy the rest of character. That said, I still wouldn't say they are the equivalent of a domestic abuser even is Kishimoto used it more than he does.

I suppose I foresee a scenario that if it were used so frequently and the reasons for it were so petty (and one-sided) that the character would be impossible to like and calling it comedy would require an exceptional suspending of disbelief.

Calling Sakura an domestic abuser is or even remotely equating the two... is a stretch, to say the least.

However, I don't think it's improper to ask whether such a thing SHOULD be funny or considered legitimate comedy. As someone who is rather...anti-PC and think people take...well...almost everything too seriously, I think the trope is fine. I just don't think it's funny.

[PachucoDesigns]

Zeref:
Since when Sakura hitting Naruto was a mistake? Now you'll tell me, A girl hitting a guy is wrong. Well, That's your point of view. But we don't see it wrong at all (As a tsundere). I read your posts and you don't see it in a humor light. But we do.

I did notice something. You blame Sakura for hitting Naruto, And all what she did to him. (I don't see it wrong again..). But you shouldn't blame her. Kishi wrote it that way. For people to accept. And If you didn't, That's fine, No one forced you to.

No, it is not an opinion. It is a moral fact. And the fact that society at large does not take it seriously when a man is seriously hurt, that is also wrong. The fact that you don't see it as wrong makes me sick.

Tax Man:
Okay, since you seem to be worried so much about how our societal values are portrayed, how about you stop focusing on the trivial thing in Naruto? How about other things? Like you know, ten year olds being taught how to assassinate and kill and sixteen year olds fighting in bloody wars. Does THAT portray our values? Can you justify that in context? Exactly. This is not meant to be taken seriously, and if you want to complain, at least complain about the right thing.

Trivial? You find it trivial that it is universally accepted throughout American culture that violence against men is funny and not to be taken seriously? You find it trivial that women can beat the crap out of a man in public and most people will just walk by our laugh at him? You think it's trivial that when you see a woman hit a man, your first instinctive thought is that he probably deserved it? You think it's trivial that we made jokes at John Bobbitt's expense for long, even though he is permanently disfigured and will suffer for the rest of his life? You think it's trivial that there are websites dedicated to those jokes? You think it's trivial when a similar instance happened not long ago, and it was openly laughed at on women's talk shows and other media? You think it's trivial when a major disaster or war happens, women and children are given their own death toll statistics as though men's lives are disposable by default? You think it's trivial when violence against boys is shown in children's shows and movies, perpetuating this desensitivity from an early age?

You think this is trivial? No, it is not trivial. It is not trivial at all, and it sickens me that society thinks it is. It sickens me that you think it is.

Strangelove:
If Naruto didn't want to be hit by Sakura then he should have


DOOOOOODGE!!!

In other words, when Sakura hits Naruto it is meant for comic relief.

If Whitney Houston didn't want to be hit by Bobby Brown then she should have


DOOOOOODGE!!!

In other words, when Bobby hits Whitney it is meant for comic relief.

lord287:
I really become very angry when i read posts such as urs because hitting someone with not a killing intent but a friendly manner cannot be considered a bad thing for the pairing or even for the characters!!! I mean many girls do this to their guy friends evrywhere!! moreover fo u really think if naruto considered it to be rough he wouldn't have stopped her from hitting him then and their. He also knows that she does this only in friendly way to show her affection towards him and don't tell me you think that naruto can't dodge sakura's punch because she has got superhuman strength...LOL!

So, let me get this straight. Because Naruto doesn't try to dodge, he doesn't mind/enjoys it? You find it friendly when she sends him flying with a bloody nose?
Well, I guess that Rhianna must have wanted to get hit. Or, at least she didn't mind it, since she didn't dodge. Chris Brown was just being friendly, after all. He really loved her.

If someone told you that they only beat their spouse 6-7 over the course of 600 days or a few years would you decline to call them an abuser because of the length of time?

The problem with your argument is that for it to have merit you have to on some level accept the legitimacy to the claim that what Sakura does constitutes abuse at all (and it's obvious you don't). If played straight...obviously it would, but if we do that the fact that it is over 600 chapters is irrelevant because it would be an awful thing to do anyway.

If Kishimoto employed it with the frequency used in Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, and Love Hina, would it effect your opinion at all? The intent of the author is the same whether it's employed five times or a hundred times. It's cheap slap-stick comedy. Overuse would make it old and stale, but it doesn't make her an "abusive harpy" either way.

It probably would effect my opinion somewhat, but that comes down to the fact I don't think the trope is funny, so the more dominant of a trait for the character it is the harder it is for me to look past it and enjoy the rest of character. That said, I still wouldn't say they are the equivalent of a domestic abuser even is Kishimoto used it more than he does.

I suppose I foresee a scenario that if it were used so frequently and the reasons for it were so petty (and one-sided) that the character would be impossible to like and calling it comedy would require an exceptional suspending of disbelief.

Calling Sakura an domestic abuser is or even remotely equating the two... is a stretch, to say the least.

However, I don't think it's improper to ask whether such a thing SHOULD be funny or considered legitimate comedy. As someone who is rather...anti-PC and think people take...well...almost everything too seriously, I think the trope is fine. I just don't think it's funny.

Thank you. I'm glad someone finally understands why this isn't funny and shouldn't be dismissed.

EDIT: And for the record, people, I am not the one who keeps bringing this up. You people insist on bringing it back up, and all I'm doing is responding.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 03 April 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[The Tax-Man]

No, it is not an opinion. It is a moral fact. And the fact that society at large does not take it seriously when a man is seriously hurt, that is also wrong. The fact that you don't see it as wrong makes me sick.



Trivial? You find it trivial that it is universally accepted throughout American culture that violence against men is funny and not to be taken seriously? You find it trivial that women can beat the crap out of a man in public and most people will just walk by our laugh at him? You think it's trivial that when you see a woman hit a man, your first instinctive thought is that he probably deserved it? You think it's trivial that we made jokes at John Bobbitt's expense for long, even though he is permanently disfigured and will suffer for the rest of his life? You think it's trivial that there are websites dedicated to those jokes? You think it's trivial when a similar instance happened not long ago, and it was openly laughed at on women's talk shows and other media? You think it's trivial when a major disaster or war happens, women and children are given their own death toll statistics as though men's lives are disposable by default? You think it's trivial when violence against boys is shown in children's shows and movies, perpetuating this desensitivity from an early age?

You think this is trivial? No, it is not trivial. It is not trivial at all, and it sickens me that society thinks it is. It sickens me that you think it

Chillax, I already told ya. What I meant when I said trivial was that it's not nearly bad as murder or child soldiers or teaching kids to be homicidal maniacs. Like people have said, she only hit him about 7 times, but the rest of the stuff that's worse in real life has been a major component of the manga, if no the whole thing. When you're talking about societal values and domestic violence showcased here, and somehow forget about the rest, its just ignorant. What my point is that it is a manga and there are a lot of horrific things happening here, but not all have a message. Some are for slapstick comedy and some are just not paid attention to beacause being absolutely true to the real world Isn't the point here. Until you get that, all you'll do is be stressed out by things that are apparently happening in all fiction and are absolutely crazy for reality. Dat kitten cray.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 03 April 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Add in a simple numerical fact that at present manga count Sakura has actually hit Naruto at most 6-7 times in total in a pushing 600 chapters manga. And you up end the ridiculous argument that Sakura is this abusive harpy on its proverbial ear.

It's just for comedy dude. In fact, she doesn't hit Naruto anymore, so you can forget about the 600 plus chapter bs. Only the stupid animators are using that old ploy either for fillers, or movies.

[Soul]

@PachucoDesigns It's a fact that woman hitting men is wrong. It is only an opinion when you think that women hitting men is wrong in the manga universe. I'll tell you what. You're right about that and I agree with you there! That's only in the real world. But in the manga universe. It's not wrong at all! Even though, If Kishi knew that it was wrong, He will never wrote it that way.

I find it funny and not wrong. And many do. (Only not in the real world ofc!). In fact I even smile when Sakura does it! But you..I won't try to change your mind or anything. I'am just pointing out.

Edited by Zeref, 03 April 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

Chillax, I already told ya. What I meant when I said trivial was that it's not nearly bad as murder or child soldiers or teaching kids to be homicidal maniacs. Like people have said, she only hit him about 7 times, but the rest of the stuff that's worse in real life has been a major component of the manga, if no the whole thing. When you're talking about societal values and domestic violence showcased here, and somehow forget about the rest, its just ignorant. What my point is that it is a manga and there are a lot of horrific things happening here, but not all have a message. Some are for slapstick comedy and some are just not paid attention to beacause being absolutely true to the real world Isn't the point here. Until you get that, all you'll do is be stressed out by things that are apparently happening in all fiction and are absolutely crazy for reality. Dat kitten cray.

All I'm saying is, just imagine the gender roles reversed. Yeah, it's fiction. But seriously, do you think feminist organizations and the media wouldn't be in an outrage because of it? Things that aren't even violent against women, even if they portray women in the slightest of bad light, already cause a major uproar. Where is that support for our gender? You don't see wars started based on manga. You don't see children raised as assassin's based on a manga. But you do see the results of domestic violence when they taught these things from a young age, such as through cartoons. And then when they see it the rest of their lives in everything else. It's social conditioning, and it's bad.

@PachucoDesigns It's a fact that woman hitting men is wrong. It is only an opinion when you think that women hitting men is wrong in the manga universe. I'll tell you what. You're right about that and I agree with you there! That's only in the real world. But in the manga universe. It's not wrong at all! Even though, If Kishi knew that it was wrong, He will never wrote it that way.

I find it funny and not wrong. And many do. (Only not in the real world ofc!). In fact I even smile when Sakura does it! But you..I won't try to change your mind or anything. I'am just pointing out.

You dismiss it as though, just because it's fiction, it should not be offensive. What if it showed a woman being murdered in a comedic light? What if it showed domestic violence against women in a comedic light? What if it showed genocide in a comedic light? What if it showed the lynching and hanging of black people in a comedic light? Would these things not be offensive simply because it's a fictional part of the manga universe?

Only the stupid animators are using that old ploy either for fillers, or movies.

You know, I keep seeing statements like this. Why do you people keep blaming the animators for things? Do you not know how the animation process works? The animators have no part in deciding what happens in the story. There are no "camps," good and bad, right and wrong, among the animators. It simply doesn't happen, because it can't happen, because that's not how the process or chain of command works. These decisions are made far above them long before the storyboards and x-sheets hit the production floor. Blaming the animators for anything that happens in the anime is ridiculous.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 03 April 2012 - 09:20 PM.

[Nate River]

Thank you. I'm glad someone finally understands why this isn't funny and shouldn't be dismissed.

EDIT: And for the record, people, I am not the one who keeps bringing this up. You people insist on bringing it back up, and all I'm doing is responding.

Well...

I'm not sure you and I think it's not funny for the same reasons. So for clarification:

When Sakura gets mad at Naruto and Sai and decks them because they call her old, I don't laugh. As a matter of personal taste, it's just not funny. I get Kishimoto is trying to make me laugh, he just doesn't in those situations. Dr. Snakes on the other hand...

I loved Looney Tones and still do, so I have no specific issue with comedy involving physical violence. It's that in the instance, for me, it's doesn't work. Her spazzing out over Sai's social ineptitude doesn't make me laugh. I'm not even sure why I should. The Stooges are funny, that really wasn't. As I said earlier, I hate PC, and I two wouldn't like it if Kishimoto were to cut this out simply because people were mortally offended because they think it simulates domestic abuse or something like that It's not. It's not meant to be and like I said, people are often way too serious.

As for Sakura, it has no bearing on what I think of her character. Kishimoto doesn't employ it enough for me to worry about it. I am able to enjoy what is an interesting character. If she did it over and over, I'd roll my eyes a bit and I would like her less. Not because it suddenly made her an abusive harpy, but because I'd be watching an author abuse a comedic device I don't find funny and that overuse resulting in him taking away screen time from the parts I do enjoy. Well, I suppose then, it'd be more accurate to say I'd like what Kishimoto is doing with her less as opposed to saying I like her less.

In that case, I could enjoy her via fanfiction where more focus could be given to the character over the comedy.

I think the worst things Sakura has done have nothing to do with that. I think the worst things she did/said was the line in chapter 3 about Naruto being lucky to have no parents because it makes her look ignorant and like a complete ingrate with regards to her own parents. It was such a horrible thing to say. The other is effectively ending the friendship with her first friend (and returning the symbol of that friendship) over a guy she didn't even know. But then, if she didn't do things like this I probably wouldn't like her as much because then it takes away some of the room for her to grow. In the beginning, he is imperfect, bratty, and a bit superficial. She cared too much what others thought (Inner Sakura).

I hate it when the imperfections are minimized/excused/explained away just as much as I hate when people hurl insults and dump on her because the whole reason I liked her as much as I did was because she was imperfect, realized it, resolved to change, and did so. Conversely, Hinata's recent appearance aggravated me so much precisely because i felt she wasn't doing this. She's done a whole lot of "realizing" and very little actual "progressing" and keeps going backwards. The continuing process from A to B is what I like the most. Mary/Gary Stu's are despised for a reason. Nobody likes perfection in characters. There is little story and no room to change.

Anyway, I don't equate the trope to real-life violence and I do think it's a bit much to do that. However, I do think you are fine to ask...should this be funny? Yeah, it's comedy, but should it be an acceptable as a form of comedy?

Kishimoto's use of it has had no effect of my opinion the manga or it's character. I don't think it makes her a bad person, I don't think it makes her in the wrong vis-a-vis Naruto, and I don't think less of her character for it, but I do understand what you are saying and why you don't like it.

For me, my dislike is one of taste and nothing more.

It's just not funny.

[The Tax-Man]

All I'm saying is, just imagine the gender roles reversed. Yeah, it's fiction. But seriously, do you think feminist organizations and the media wouldn't be in an outrage because of it? Things that aren't even violent against women, even if they portray women in the slightest of bad light, already cause a major uproar. Where is that support for our gender? You don't see wars started based on manga. You don't see children raised as assassin's based on a manga. But you do see the results of domestic violence when they taught these things from a young age, such as through cartoons. And then when they see it the rest of their lives in everything else. It's social conditioning, and it's bad.

I couldnt agree more. Feminist camps generally have a habit of being too touchy for their own good. And yes, genocide and the othe stuff you mentioned can't be taken comedically, but remember that she's no actually abusing him really. Like I said, she's aggressive, and manga has a habit of exaggerating aggressiveness. That's all. Yes, If gender roles were reversed, you would see people threatening to sue kishimoto, but that's people's problem. I see the hypocrisy, and rather than think Sakura is abusing him, I'd say people need to think before they start barking.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 03 April 2012 - 09:33 PM.

[Strangelove]

If Whitney Houston didn't want to be hit by Bobby Brown then she should have


DOOOOOODGE!!!

In other words, when Bobby hits Whitney it is meant for comic relief.

Are Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown ninjas with supernatural powers?

I doubt it, but maybe I am wrong, I don't even know who these two people are, so comparing they're relationship with Naruto and Sakura is very weird. Domestic violence is one thing, Ninja violence is another. When a Domestic couple fights with fist, you expect trouble with the police. When Naruto ninjas fight with fist, it is either training or a skirmish.


Also as i remember Sakura's fist can open craters in the ground, when Sakura hits Naruto she should be able to obliterate him, but two pages later we see Naruto fully recovered. So either Naruto is extremely strong, or Sakura doesn't know her own strength.


I remember that in one of the pages, Naruto himself said that he shouldn't anger Sakura or Sakura may kill him. Well obviously this is true, and based on the hits Naruto has received from Sakura after that page, Naruto should be buried deep underground.

Edited by Strangelove, 03 April 2012 - 09:48 PM.

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Are Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown ninjas with supernatural powers?

Are they marines? Are they police officers? Are they bakers? Does it matter?

[Soul]

You dismiss it as though, just because it's fiction, it should not be offensive. What if it showed a woman being murdered in a comedic light? What if it showed domestic violence against women in a comedic light? What if it showed genocide in a comedic light? What if it showed the lynching and hanging of black people in a comedic light? Would these things not be offensive simply because it's a fictional part of the manga universe?

These you mentioned above is something completely different. The hitting thing is not offensive. And you keep bringing these stuff up?

And I agree with Tax-Man there.

Can we quit of the tsundere stuff already?

Edited by Zeref, 03 April 2012 - 09:43 PM.