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[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I think masashi kishimoto makes narutos life even more difficult i mean the writer loves to put sasuke above everyone.   

 

Well, that's probably to give Naruto more to overcome, meanwhile Sasuke kind of gets the 'easy' road by having everything handed to him. It's a compare and contrast kind of thing, not, in my opinion, intended to put Sasuke on a pedestal. Though it is annoying.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

It's getting hard to debate about things now. What have we not discussed thus far?

 

If Naruto and Sakura were to have kids, how many would they have, and what would their personalities be like?

[TouKen4Life3g]

In podcast recording.

 

Anyone has a question?

[rikakim94]

Hinata a skilled Hyuga? 

 

Yet her little cousin or sister could pound the living day lights out of her at any time.

 

*Siiiiiigh* 

 

Do people realize that every fight hinata has fought. She lost she got owned by pein not the suger coated anime version,neji,ambused by zetsu clones. Sorry but,tsunade at least survived even if she got her body cut in half.

Edited by rikakim94, 06 October 2013 - 01:20 AM.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

 

Do people realize that every fight hinata has fought. She lost she got owned by pein not the suger coated anime version,neji,ambused by zetsu clones. Sorry but,tsunade at least survived even if she got her body cut in half.

It's only because of the anime that she's so overrated. If the anime didn't exist, I get the feeling she'd be one of the more disliked characters.

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

Do people realize that every fight hinata has fought. She lost she got owned by pein,neji,ambused by zetsu clones. Sorry but tsunade at least survived even if she got her body cut in half.

Haha, you're right! Hinata has not won a single fight in all 649 chapters of the entire manga. Sakura has won fights and managed to beat an akatsuki member. Regardless if she had help or not, she still won and managed to save Chiyo during that fight. Chiyo saved Sakura as well. They worked together to defeat the enemy. Just because it was a collaborative fight does not dismiss Sakura's huge role in it. Nor does it nullify her capabilities and skills she displayed throughout the fight. She still manages to put up a good fight even for the ones that she doesn't win. She's helped people, healed them, and saved lives. She has immense strength and is a very capable ninja, yet people still think Hinata is stronger. When has Hinata EVER displayed this strength that her fans claim she has? She's never even really helped anyone like Sakura has. Instead, Hinata manages to put people in danger. Having Naruto go full-on nine-tails put every single survivor residing in the village at risk. It's a miracle none of the survivors were hurt when he entered that mode. Can you imagine if he did hurt someone? Do they have any idea how damaging that would be to Naruto mentally and emotionally? The last thing he wants to do is hurt the innocent, the uninvolved, and his friends. If he found out that he hurt one of his friends or any of the innocent survivors, I can guarantee that he would've been an emotional wreck. Regardless if all those killed were revived, that fact that he caused damage to someone would not be erased. It would still forever linger in the back of Naruto's mind, forever tormenting him. Now THAT'S a lot more damaging than Sakura's "abusive" punches.

[Inferno180]

Its actually kind of funny, given the way the manga is right now, I find myself not really concerned with whats happening pairing-wise, I mean ever since 631 gave a good notion of things for the future along with 635 but i'm really just interested not in how they beat obtio at this point but rather just when, I mean its been over a year since this fight began, that's a long fight, so now we just need to see what the finale to this fight is.

[TerrorKing]

Save this SM talk in the actual thread.

Let's just say the series continues after NS is canon. Do you believe that a break up can ever happen? If Kishi does create such a scene, what would be your reaction?

 

I don't think Naruto and Sakura will have a break up, but I could imagine that they would argue from time to time. This would mostly stem from their individual desire to protect each other, like Naruto not wanting Sakura to go on missions when he's not there to protect her. Sakura will then argue that she can take care of herself. Likewise, Sakura will urge Naruto to rely more on others and not do everything by himself. 

 

These are all issues that NS is facing right now, so it could be that Kishi will resolve these before NS becomes canon. They could of course always resurface at a later date. Even so, I'm confident that Naruto and Sakura will find a way to make it work.   

[Codus N]

Did Kishi fail, or did Western readers fail?  I mean, I know one criticism of Sakura that usually includes a large dose of Kishi bashing is that Kishi failed because it's obvious that Sakura is an idiot who doesn't understand Sasuke/Naruto/men.  But, if it is true that Kishi basic goal with Sakura was to depict a "normal girl who doesn't understand men," (which I believe he has said) did he fail?  That to me indicates that it's the Western readers who are failing.

 

Ok, here's a question. If it really is true what you say about Kishi's intentions for Sakura, then why, oh why haven't we seen an improvement?? the whole point of the manga is to overcome your obstacles and shortcomings. So, why haven't we seen that from Sakura in this regard?? the reason why Naruto is the hero, is because his journey is all about overcoming his obstacles and shortcomings. If this is true, then the heroine should be walking with him side-by-side. By this, I mean having a similar obstacle and shortcoming and overcoming them.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Save this SM talk in the actual thread.

Let's just say the series continues after NS is canon. Do you believe that a break up can ever happen? If Kishi does create such a scene, what would be your reaction?

 

Realistically, I'm thinking no. The Naruto series isn't a shojo or a sappy American TV show, it's a shonen. Shonen rarely has break-ups in them, but more than that, Kishimoto doesn't seem to like writing that way if his track record is anything to go by.  I don't think Naruto and Sakura would ever break up, once they're together, they'll stay together the rest of their lives.   

 

But if it did happen, it's hard to say what they would do. It would depend entirely on what they were breaking up over.  I do know for a fact, however, that if Sakura was the one who messed up, Naruto would accept her again and unconditionally forgive her. Probably the same for Sakura too actually, considering how much care she has for him at this point.

 

As for my reaction, my first reaction would be shock ("This can't happen! It's a Shonen!"), then a common shipper breakdown, then the level-headed person in me saying it wouldn't stay this way because Kishi doesn't write like that.

[morgaine4]

 

Ok, here's a question. If it really is true what you say about Kishi's intentions for Sakura, then why, oh why haven't we seen an improvement?? the whole point of the manga is to overcome your obstacles and shortcomings. So, why haven't we seen that from Sakura in this regard?? the reason why Naruto is the hero, is because his journey is all about overcoming his obstacles and shortcomings. If this is true, then the heroine should be walking with him side-by-side. By this, I mean having a similar obstacle and shortcoming and overcoming them.

 

Wait, did I blink and miss the last chapter of this manga?  Because from your question, that's what I'm getting.  Most posters here agree that Sakura is supposed to be one of the most important characters, that the dynamics of Team 7 is supposed to be the most important in terms of team dynamics, and that Naruto and Sakura's relationship is supposed to be one of the most important relationships in the manga; considering that, considering most understand that the conflict(s) between Naruto and Sasuke can't be resolved till the end (or to be more precise, close to it) though I remember debating with several people when Sasuke joined up with NS in 631 that this wasn't the end of S vs N *sigh*, I don't understand why anyone believes that the tension between NS will be resolved sooner, or why anyone expects for Sakura to be written so that she has everything figured out already, and I also don't understand why there's such an adamant refusal to recognize all the progress Sakura has made.  Yes, it's been painstakingly slow, but so what?  It is difficult to be self-reflective, it is difficult to change oneself, one's outlook, one's perspective, it's difficult for calm, collected, mature adults (far older than 17) to realize that the way one is thinking is wrong, and that that has to be changed.  And the thing is, Sakura has changed.  Within the last twenty or so chapters, Sakura has illustrated that she now understands Naruto so much so that she can speak for him to the entire world without having to consult with him, clarify what she said is actually what he meant.  Sakura has reached the point at which she sees Sasuke clearly enough, that regardless of what she wants to be true, she recognizes that something is off (whether or not she's willing to announce this to the world, and destroy their morale is irrelevant).  She has come so far that she understands Naruto and Sasuke, and now all that's left is for her to understand herself --and that task is the most difficult task, or the easiest.  But, right now Sakura doesn't have the time to reflect on these feelings, and if she were focused on them, I'd think less of them.  She shouldn't be considering what her feelings for Naruto are, she shouldn't reflecting upon the nature of her love for Sasuke (is she mixing up her team 7-based loyalty to Sasuke, with romantic feelings?).  This is war, her mind should be on the war, the war should be her priority (though, still she often seems extremely concerned over Naruto's well being, which is somewhat unique to Naruto and is a major sign of her romantic feelings for him).

 

As you said, this manga is about overcoming obstacles, once those obstacles have been overcome there is no story.  And honestly, I'm vehemently opposed to the notion that Sakura should be some sort of adjunct to Naruto, facing the same sort of obstacles that he is.  For one thing, that would make Sakura a far less interesting character, and another it simply would make absolutely no sense.  Yes, Naruto and Sakura have some similar personality traits, enough that it seems they could be a compatible couple; however, they are different individuals, and they have extremely different pasts.  Naruto was an orphan since the day of his birth, Sakura has a "normal," nuclear family (maybe she close to her extended family, we don't really know).  Naruto has inherited quite a bit from his parents, awesome amounts of chakra, Minato's legacy, Sakura's parents/family is pretty insignificant, maybe she inherited memorization skills from a parent but if that were the case said parent would probably have a more active role in Konoha.  Naruto's initial instinct when he wanted to gain acknowledgment was to literally garner some attention, to be unique, Sakura's was to fall in line, be like other people (suppress her louder, wilder, weirder self).  Naruto is an actor, he's a knucklehead, though he's creative and clutch ninja, someone who thinks out of the box.  Sakura is a thinker, a second guesser, she thrives when following rules, when she can decipher patterns.  It wouldn't make sense for Sakura's conflicts to be similar to Naruto's.

 

And, when has Sakura not been by Naruto's side?  So, she doesn't fight beside him, so what?  That's not her strength, offense isn't her strength; perhaps with the exception of the first two or three chapters after her introduction, Sakura has been "by his side," she's had quite a bit of faith in him (as much as her "current" knowledge would allow), she's supported him, been willing to take on his burdens, has tried to (or has wanted to) relieve some of his burdens.

 

Sakura's far from perfect, and I wish she had a bit more exposure in the manga, and that medical ninjutsu had been more heavily explored, but as a whole Sakura is far better written than many are willing to admit.

Edited by morgaine4, 06 October 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[redragon88]

It's only because of the anime that she's so overrated. If the anime didn't exist, I get the feeling she'd be one of the more disliked characters.

 

I don't see why she would be disliked, but she wouldn't be praised for the imaginary superpowers some of her fans have made themselves believe she has.

 

It seems some people have a hard time realizing that it was only now that Hinata was able to master the 64 palms. In other words:

current Hinata = Part 1 Neji.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's funny that I had this discussion about Hinata and to be honest, while I can only defend her real character purpose, I can't really say anything more than that and really can't place her same level to Team 10. I would say she gets the screentime exclusive as in appear more than her teammates, but still holds irrelevant to the main plot. In fact, I realized this latest chapter was the best time to have her doing thinking of Naruto pushing himself to do multiple work, but no, it was Sakura. And you know why not Hinata? Because that's not her character.

[redragon88]

I still remember there was a time when someone here claimed that Hinata could beat Sakura and gave an elaborate explanation on why he believed so. The thing about defending characters in terms of power is that most of the time it's mainly derived from your liking of said character. He liked Hinata better so he just wanted to put her above Sakura in everything, including strength.

 

When you like something enough you're capable of making yourself believe you're right no matter what. That happens when discussing characters or pairings.

[Branden]

It's getting hard to debate about things now. What have we not discussed thus far?

 

If Naruto and Sakura were to have kids, how many would they have, and what would their personalities be like?

Their personalities would differ depending on their own life experiences, but as for how many they would have, that's a good question. Are Naruto and Sakura people who love small children? Both Sakura and Naruto grew up as only children, no brothers or sisters to accompany them. Naruto had no parents while Sakura had parents. So their views on families must differ but have some similarities.

Sakura's parents obviously had no interest in having multiple children, but we have no idea what Naruto's parents would have wanted (since they died).

Since it's relevant, I should mention that we know that they are both perverts, so it's highly unlikely that they are going to keep their hands off of each other very long. Now I don't know how birth control works in Naruto but I'll just assume that Sakura, being one of the world's greatest medical ninja, would know how to apply some form of it.

So with this amount of information it's hard to guess how many children (if any) they would have, and it is also easily debatable in any case.

 

 

This is my theory : Small family, 1-2 depending on whether they have twins or not. I say this because they both grew up in a similar manner and would assume it's normal to have a small family. It would also be quite troublesome to have an excessively large family considering that the parents would be busy all the time since Naruto would be hokage and Sakura would be a doctor. 3 or more kids would be a bit much for them to handle. If they conceive once and have a single child, I think it would be more likely for them to stay with 1 child than to have another child. Assuming they did choose to have another child, I highly doubt they would want any more. If they had twins right off the bat, I imagine they would be contempt and choose not to have any more. There is a chance that they would end up with 3 if they had 1 then chose to have another but ended up with twins creating a total of 3 children.

 

 

Yes, I just took that question as seriously as humanly possible. Why you ask? Because there is nothing left to debate about anymore.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still remember there was a time when someone here claimed that Hinata could beat Sakura and gave an elaborate explanation on why he believed so. The thing about defending characters in terms of power is that most of the time it's mainly derived from your liking of said character. He liked Hinata better so he just wanted to put her above Sakura in everything, including strength.
 
When you like something enough you're capable of making yourself believe you're right no matter what. That happens when discussing characters or pairings.

The funny thing is that her character wasn't strong at all. I mean you know, compare to Sakura at least but that's not her character. It's weird on how many people believed she was top tier but that's not her character at all. It's not like she will suddenly start flying and pretty much start owning the villains. It was never like that. So I don't know where they get the impression that she was that strong. If anything, 632 told you what her character has always been.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 October 2013 - 12:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I don't think Naruto and Sakura will have a break up, but I could imagine that they would argue from time to time. This would mostly stem from their individual desire to protect each other, like Naruto not wanting Sakura to go on missions when he's not there to protect her. Sakura will then argue that she can take care of herself. Likewise, Sakura will urge Naruto to rely more on others and not do everything by himself. 

 

These are all issues that NS is facing right now, so it could be that Kishi will resolve these before NS becomes canon. They could of course always resurface at a later date. Even so, I'm confident that Naruto and Sakura will find a way to make it work.   

I always thought about it.

But let me theorize first i mean the current world it's on a pre state of peace and the village recruit less shinobis and has few missions than before.
If Naruto succeed on the peace matter would have ninja missions to be performed?

For some reason i feel that those dangerous ninja missions would totally against Naruto's goal to peace and ending all the conflicts and even his fight against hatred itself.

 

also other theory would have a possibility even if it's remote of all the shinobis losing their chakras forever without dying?

I think future is totally incertain when it comes to shinobis.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 October 2013 - 01:35 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thanks for answering my questions.

I too think the break up would never happen. Arguments, sure, but a break-up seems really unlikely. If it does happen, well it will bounce back but my reaction would be well, shocked. Not in a good way. Probably go "Does Not Compute!!!"

[sushi.]

We should make something like this when NS becomes canon

srsly

Edited by sushi., 06 October 2013 - 03:55 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We should make something like this when NS becomes canon

srsly

Lol yeah I saw that. We should. Btw, who made that Minato Approves stamp?