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#9501 PachucoDesigns

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Apr 2 2012, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now you're been a liar, I really don't know anything about Asian, African and Arab culture...
But Latinos, European and and English girls and boys are the Same, none off them will be rejected, insulted and almost kill three times and they will still like to be with that boy...

Trust me if there were no NaruHina many people from the Western culture will despise SS, it's very popular because of the big help it gets from NH, there is no better way to keep Sakura away, than pairing her with Sasuke and if you read the comments that favors SS most off them sound bias and silly, because they are sideshipping it, on the ones that love it they don't debate because they don't have a solid reason to like it or defend it.


I'm being a liar? How do you figure?
On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.

Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.

I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Apr 2 2012, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm being a liar? How do you figure?


Simple because we American are not that st*pid, and even if I don't know anything about Asian, African and Arab culture.
I don't think there is someone like that...
there are more like Karin, I really like you but after you try to kill me it ends right there we are all like that, minus Kishi.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 05:29 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Apr 2 2012, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Simple because we American are not that st*pid, and even if I don't know anything about Asian, African and Arab culture.
I don't think there is someone like that...
there are more like Karin, I really like you but after you try to kill me it ends right there we are all like that, minus Kishi.


Then you must live in a different America than I do. Because I have experiences that say otherwise.
On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.

Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.

I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Apr 2 2012, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then you must live in a different America than I do. Because I have experiences that say otherwise.


Well your case is special I know about domestic violence, but a case where two person save your life from death and you yourself witness ans come to terms that if ain't for one of those person you will be dead by the one and only person that never love you or consider your feelings, that same person who you foolishly devote youl soul to be with, try to kill you twice in less than one hour. Believe me that is really a special case...

No you are making me go antiSS at full force.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Okay... we seem to be going off subject.

I'm curious to everyone's opinion. How long till the next NS development? And what type of development will they have next. Hugs... kissess*Shrugs*?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Apr 2 2012, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is why Sasuke is the biggest obstacle to NS. At one side you have Naruto obsessed in bringing him back to the light side and even went to the extreme in declaring that both of them will die when they battle. On the other we have Sakura who had a huge crush on him but now she's confused whether she still likes him or not. Is this guy really worth it?


DK, it's about strength of emotional bonds, whether positive or negative. Emotional bonds play a stronger role in Japanese culture than in the west. And it's not like Kishimoto hasn't shown this before, we've seen a parallel with the Sanin already. Look at how Jiraiya and Tsunade basically let Orochimaru off with a free pass even after their battle and his threat, etc... Of course Orochimaru didn't follow through with his threat, but in fact decided that Konoha was unwitting allied with him, all because the reminant of his bond to Tsunade basically....
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:36 PM

@ciardha

When you compare it like that I always think about Hiruzen Sarutobi - Orochimaru Bond he never give up on Orochimaru at the end he did not change and kill his sensai.

The Sanin think about Orochimaru and wish to save him, but they did give up on him so is not the same.
Naruto will never give up on Sasuke just like how Sarutobi never give up on Orochimaru and he die because of that. Naruto is also willing to die with Sasuke.


QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Apr 2 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay... we seem to be going off subject.

I'm curious to everyone's opinion. How long till the next NS development? And what type of development will they have next. Hugs... kissess*Shrugs*?



I will keep this opinion
Kishi only needs to show Naruto making a comment when the group arrive then when he look at Sakura he show a sad and defeated face, Kurama sensing his depression then have a mental image about them at the Heaven & Earth bribge or any randon place, Kurama smile at Naruto and make a coment about how DENSE and BAKA Naruto could be when it comes to a girl heart, just like how Jiraiya commented before.
After that he can leave the rest for after the war because he will show us the reader that Kurama knows that Sakura really have romantic feelings for Naruto but Naruto is still on denial plus.

On Sakura's side: a short Naruto you alway been there for me, now I always want to be there for you.
Who would ever believe that one day you would become the most important person in my life.

A scenario like without being that obvious, reason I really want to see Sakura choosing Naruto over a good guy Sasuke if he lives which I have no doubt.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 06:53 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ciardha

When you compare it like that I always think about Hiruzen Sarutobi - Orochimaru Bond he never give up on Orochimaru at the end he did not change and kill his sensai.

The Sanin think about Orochimaru and wish to save him, but they did give up on him so is not the same.
Naruto will never give up on Sasuke just like how Sarutobi never give up on Orochimaru and he die because of that.





I will keep this opinion
Kishi only needs to show Naruto making a comment when the group arrive then when he look at Sakura he show a sad and defeated face, Kurama sensing his depression then have a mental image about them at the Heaven & Earth bribge or any randon place, Kurama smile at Naruto and make a coment about how DENSE and BAKA Naruto could be when it comes to a girl heart, just like how Jiraiya commented before.
After that he can leave the rest for after the war because he will show us the reader that Kurama knows that Sakura really have romantic feelings for Naruto but Naruto is still on denial plus.

On Sakura's side: a short Naruto you alway been there for me, now I always want to be there for you.
Who would ever believe that one day you would become the most important person in my life.

A scenario like without being that obvious, reason I really want to see Sakura choosing Naruto over a good guy Sasuke if he lives which I have no doubt.

If that moment happened, It will make me smile smile.gif Oh well...Someone can dream...

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 2 2012, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or maybe he will realize he's in love with Hinata and he kisses her, Sasuke arrives all good and tells Sakura he loves her, they kissed and they all live happily ever after. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif



I hope when that happen The manga already finish, because at that same time I will stop reading this Manga and focus on something else.

I can see any pairing become a reality, but not NH the shipper annoy me to no hell with there bashing and SS make it even worse this pairing is just too wrong for my liking...

Sasuke plus any girl that is not Sakura or Karin will be fine with me...

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 08:04 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:52 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Apr 2 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasuke plus any girl that is not Sakura or Karin will be fine will me...

Then it seems we got another SasuHina shipper! Yeah! LETS GOOOOO!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 1 2012, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you don't have faith in NS or the development Kishi has done since he started writing his manga then you're welcome to jump ships and join another one.


I'm trying to figure out what business it is of yours what he ships. If his lack of faith bothers you so much then ignore it. In addition, I saw what you wrote Friday (about "fake" fans going elsewhere) and if I hadn't been stuck doing trial prep most of the weekend then I would have responded sooner.

You later state what the rule of this forum is so I know you are aware of what it is.

If he does not violate the rules of this forum (and I have not seen evidence of that yet) then he can post here regardless of whether he is a "true" fan or whether he has the requisite faith necessary to gain your acceptance.

Fans who dictate to others the rules and requirements of being a "proper" fan and sanctimoniously determine who should be in or out grate on my nerves and I have limited tolerance for it.

You know our policy. Discontinue this practice or I will warn you for it.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Apr 2 2012, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fans who dictate to others the rules and requirements of being a "proper" fan and sanctimoniously determine who should be in or out grate on my nerves and I have limited tolerance for it.


This. Every bit of this. It's why most fandoms end up rubbing me the wrong way. Let people like what they like.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Apr 2 2012, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not saying she should agree with him. I'm saying she should give him more credit and do something to reason with him. She should stay by his side in how he feels, but be there to try and help him adapt and understand. By doing what she did, she abandoned his feelings altogether, as though she knows what's best for him when he doesn't. That's condescending.

I do understand her development as a character, but her development as an adult is far from complete, and I'm sure even you can agree to that. And as for letting her feelings be known, I didn't see a touch of proper emotion in her actions until he turned her down. She wasn't talking to him like a girl confessing her love. She was talking to him like a mother speaks to her child at a relative's funeral. Like it's for the best, and it's a better place.

Do you really think a few days is enough to ponder years of emotional conflict and love interest? Let alone while trudging through the snow? And only after she decided to break the news to him? Where were her thoughts of confession before that moment? She did have an ulterior motive. She chose that moment to "confess" because it was most convenient to sway his way of thinking and feeling.


I'm only explaining to you it's not as impulsive as you make it sound. you can only call it impulse when she thinks it on the spot and does it randomly without thinking. She had time to think it through. Might it be a mistake? Sure it can, though I don't think so personally, but it definitely was't impulsive. BTW you seem to be bouncing back and forth with your arguments. One minute you're saying Sakura is in love with Naruto, the next you're saying she's only acting like a big sister or something. Care to explain? I was under the impression you thought she loves Naruto but her actions and confession weren't the best of choices on her part. And yes she's not an adult and still needs t-o develop more, I don't deny that but she isn't an ignorant little girl anymore either.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 2 2012, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or maybe he will realize he's in love with Hinata and he kisses her, Sasuke arrives all good and tells Sakura he loves her, they kissed and they all live happily ever after. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

The sarcasm is strong with this one. happy.gif

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Apr 2 2012, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm trying to figure out what business it is of yours what he ships. If his lack of faith bothers you so much then ignore it. In addition, I saw what you wrote Friday (about "fake" fans going elsewhere) and if I hadn't been stuck doing trial prep most of the weekend then I would have responded sooner.

You later state what the rule of this forum is so I know you are aware of what it is.

If he does not violate the rules of this forum (and I have not seen evidence of that yet) then he can post here regardless of whether he is a "true" fan or whether he has the requisite faith necessary to gain your acceptance.

Fans who dictate to others the rules and requirements of being a "proper" fan and sanctimoniously determine who should be in or out grate on my nerves and I have limited tolerance for it.

You know our policy. Discontinue this practice or I will warn you for it.


Nate I am truly sorry if my behavior was inappropriate, if I was bashing or violating any of the forum rules I apologize. I will also apologize to any of the new members I have misjudged I have no right to do that, fans are fans and they all have the right to express their opinions on this forum whether they are NS fans or from opposite pairings. I was being sarcastic in my last post obviously but if it was wrong then I'm sorry for it. Everyone has the right to think otherwise of Sakura's actions in the manga and I can't make them think the opposite, I will respect their opinions and Nate I will make sure this incident doesn't happen again.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Apr 2 2012, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm only explaining to you it's not as impulsive as you make it sound. you can only call it impulse when she thinks it on the spot and does it randomly without thinking. She had time to think it through. Might it be a mistake? Sure it can, though I don't think so personally, but it definitely was't impulsive. BTW you seem to be bouncing back and forth with your arguments. One minute you're saying Sakura is in love with Naruto, the next you're saying she's only acting like a big sister or something. Care to explain? I was under the impression you thought she loves Naruto but her actions and confession weren't the best of choices on her part.


Until you show me that she gave it the proper amount of thought that it actually deserves, and unless you tell me that she had any sort of emotional anticipation or anxiety about it, then I must conclude that it was contrived and impulsive. She had a convenient reason to do it when she did, and whether she was doing it to communicate her feelings or not, that was not the only reason.

And I did explain this. Once again, you are not reading what I said. I said that there is a difference between what is currently evident and speculation about what is to come. Right now, I feel that her love for him is conflicted, and she hasn't yet admitted it to herself. I said that her actions show this conflict. And as for her love for him, I believe that will come out in full force, with the proper emotions, once she thinks on it the way she should.

Her actions and confessions aren't the best choices on her part. I'm not saying that she didn't believe the confession, or at least part of it, was true on some level. But whether it was or not, it was premature, it was inappropriate, and it was not necessary. By doing what she did, it will not help Naruto. If anything it would make things harder on him. I'm not saying I can't forgive her for the mistake. But it was a mistake. It was not well thought out, and she did it for the wrong reasons.

QUOTE (Greed-Sama @ Apr 2 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. Every bit of this. It's why most fandoms end up rubbing me the wrong way. Let people like what they like.


Anyone who judges another's fandom based on their own metrics is committing what is known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. And they do not deserve to be taken seriously. I am a true fan of the pairing. I simply do not blindly worship everything about it without giving it reasonable thought like a sycophant. And the only ones who judge me this way are the ones who take every criticism as bashing. It's foolish.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 02 April 2012 - 09:59 PM.

On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.

Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.

I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:16 PM

Well it works both ways then doesn't it? Until you show me just as much evidence that she did not think things through like the calm mature individual she is, and her actions were not planned or given thought, I don't see it as impulse. And if you think She's not fully self convinced that she loves Naruto, Then that is your view of things and I have nothing against it ,nor am I saying in is wrong or not possible. But I on the other hand think that It was out of guilt, not conflict. She seemed very miserable Naruto felt so strongly about her and tried everything to make her happy While she was off thinking it was okay just to let him Bring Sasuke home and act like everything was Alright. She felt Guilty about hurting the one she loves to that extent. I don't think she's conflicted cause she doesn't show unhappiness or shame When she's with Naruto, Only when she thinks of Sasuke. Again, those are only my views. And you can disagree or criticize it if you wish but those are just my opinions. And I'm not so blind as to Ship NS without listening to anyone else or shoot down other possibilities. There's a difference between not listening and accepting someone's opinions and merely disagreeing with them.

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Apr 2 2012, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nate I am truly sorry if my behavior was inappropriate, if I was bashing or violating any of the forum rules I apologize. I will also apologize to any of the new members I have misjudged I have no right to do that, fans are fans and they all have the right to express their opinions on this forum whether they are NS fans or from opposite pairings. I was being sarcastic in my last post obviously but if it was wrong then I'm sorry for it. Everyone has the right to think otherwise of Sakura's actions in the manga and I can't make them think the opposite, I will respect their opinions and Nate I will make sure this incident doesn't happen again.


It's fine buddy. *pats back* just remember everyone's welcome.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE (PachucoDesigns @ Apr 2 2012, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Until you show me that she gave it the proper amount of thought that it actually deserves, and unless you tell me that she had any sort of emotional anticipation or anxiety about it, then I must conclude that it was contrived and impulsive.


It might have been careless to some extent, yes. And it was certainly a big blunder. But that doesn't mean I entirely blame her for it. Both her and Naruto are a mess right now, though Naruto is better since the waterfall and Kushina, and it only makes sense that she wouldn't really think it through much in the situation as it were. But that doesn't mean she wasn't anxious about it. It would be out of character if she wasn't. But a mistake is a mistake and I hope she has better ideas after she gets to Naruto and Tobi.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it works both ways then doesn't it? Until you show me just as much evidence that she did not think things through like the calm mature individual she is, and her actions were not planned or given thought, I don't see it as impulse. And if you think She's not fully self convinced that she loves Naruto, Then that is your view of things and I have nothing against it ,nor am I saying in is wrong or not possible. But I on the other hand think that It was out of guilt, not conflict. She seemed very miserable Naruto felt so strongly about her and tried everything to make her happy While she was off thinking it was okay just to let him Bring Sasuke home and act like everything was Alright. She felt Guilty about hurting the one she loves to that extent. I don't think she's conflicted cause she doesn't show unhappiness or shame When she's with Naruto, Only when she thinks of Sasuke. Again, those are only my views. And you can disagree or criticize it if you wish but those are just my opinions. And I'm not so blind as to Ship NS without listening to anyone else or shoot down other possibilities. There's a difference between not listening and accepting someone's opinions and merely disagreeing with them.


No, I'm sorry, but that is not how it works. Have you never had a real debate before? There is something called the burden of proof, and it is always on the person making the claim. If you claim Leprechauns exist, and I reject the claim, it is you who has to prove it. I have nothing to prove. You say that she thought it out, that it was not impulse. I reject this claim because you have no evidence for it. I have nothing to prove to you.

You are free to believe whatever you want. But if you expect me to believe it, let alone anyone else, then you must state your case.
On the morning of Wednesday, April 11th, 2012, my Aunt Karla passed away. She was my mother's baby sister, and my coolest aunt when I was a kid. She was the best babysitter ever, and she was like an older sister to me.

Karly, I don't know if you can hear this. I am not a believer, I haven't been since Sheryl died. But if you can, I want you to know that I'm truly sorry for everything bad I've ever said about you. When you were suffering, I should have been there to help you. I should have visited. I should have encouraged you to leave the house and get a job, to be active and alive the way you used to be.

I promise that I will do everything that I can to be successful and a good person, to make you proud the way you would have wanted me to. No matter what I said, I loved you. And I will always love you. Rest in Peace, you will never be forgotten.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Apr 2 2012, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ciardha

When you compare it like that I always think about Hiruzen Sarutobi - Orochimaru Bond he never give up on Orochimaru at the end he did not change and kill his sensai.

The Sanin think about Orochimaru and wish to save him, but they did give up on him so is not the same.
Naruto will never give up on Sasuke just like how Sarutobi never give up on Orochimaru and he die because of that. Naruto is also willing to die with Sasuke.





I will keep this opinion
Kishi only needs to show Naruto making a comment when the group arrive then when he look at Sakura he show a sad and defeated face, Kurama sensing his depression then have a mental image about them at the Heaven & Earth bribge or any randon place, Kurama smile at Naruto and make a coment about how DENSE and BAKA Naruto could be when it comes to a girl heart, just like how Jiraiya commented before.
After that he can leave the rest for after the war because he will show us the reader that Kurama knows that Sakura really have romantic feelings for Naruto but Naruto is still on denial plus.

On Sakura's side: a short Naruto you alway been there for me, now I always want to be there for you.
Who would ever believe that one day you would become the most important person in my life.

A scenario like without being that obvious, reason I really want to see Sakura choosing Naruto over a good guy Sasuke if he lives which I have no doubt.


I was hoping this topic would sprout a wonderful discussion about NS since some of the recent discussions were more than a bit gloomy. Here I thought this was what the NS Debate Thread is all about... sharing opinions about NS pairing.

But fair enough.

And to respond your post. I believe NS will happen, but not the way we imagined it. Its sad that the best Naruto may get is being Sakura's second choice. But maybe Kishi will give us a miracle... A NS kissing scene.


You can't really blame Naruto for be denail

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