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[rocci]

What if sakura instead got injured saving naruto somehow?

and naruto use kyubi chakra to heal her.

[luffyq1]

and naruto use kyubi chakra to heal her.

But she's a medic.

Edited by luffyq1, 31 January 2013 - 07:56 AM.

[redragon88]

Let me specify the situation to see if it makes you feel better.

How about Naruto and Sakura team up to fight whichever enemy, they struggle a lot but in the end they manage to deal a significant blow thanks to mutual efforts. They both end up pretty tired, barely able to move, for a moment they think they might've done it, but the enemy gets back up, it's damaged but it has enough energy to move as well. Then Sakura is captured since she can barely defend herself out of tiredness. The rest plays out as described before.

You see the misconception you have is that we want Sakura to be captured as a damsel in distress, we want her captured because she was placed at a disadvantage, not when she's at full power, now that would just feel ridiculous.

[luffyq1]

Let me specify the situation to see if it makes you feel better.

How about Naruto and Sakura team up to fight whichever enemy, they struggle a lot but in the end they manage to deal a significant blow thanks to mutual efforts. They both end up pretty tired, barely able to move, for a moment they think they might've done it, but the enemy gets back up, it's damaged but it has enough energy to move as well. Then Sakura is captured since she can barely defend herself out of tiredness. The rest plays out as described before.

You see the misconception you have is that we want Sakura to be captured as a damsel in distress, we want her captured because she was placed at a disadvantage, not when she's at full power, now that would just feel ridiculous.

That sounds much better. And I don't think that's a misconception on my end, considering the fact that some people would want Sakura to die in order to fulfill something that clearly does not cement NaruSaku's canonization. It's sad that some people would desire something to this degree just to get a 1up on NH.

Edited by luffyq1, 31 January 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[redragon88]

That sounds much better. And I don't think that's a misconception on my end, considering the fact that some people would want Sakura to die in order to fulfill something that clearly does not cement NaruSaku's canonization. It's sad that some people would desire something to this degree just to get a 1up on NH.

Yeah, I don't want Sakura to die either. But the possibility worries me since Obito is walking around with a rinnegan, which is capable of reviving people, and is just itching to get talk-no-jutsu'ed.

Although if Obito dies without ever using the rinnegan that would practically be the biggest F-you that he could give to Madara. I would love to see the look on Madara's face when he realizes that no one could revive him now.

[PhenixElite]

Yeah, I don't want Sakura to die either. But the possibility worries me since Obito is walking around with a rinnegan, which is capable of reviving people, and is just itching to get talk-no-jutsu'ed.

Although if Obito dies without ever using the rinnegan that would practically be the biggest F-you that he could give to Madara. I would love to see the look on Madara's face when he realizes that no one could revive him now.

Why is it that bad if sakura dies as long as she gets revived again? I think that could be a very emotional and awesome moment. Also it would mean a lot off development for naruto.

[Zatheko]

Why is it that bad if sakura dies as long as she gets revived again? I think that could be a very emotional and awesome moment. Also it would mean a lot off development for naruto.

It could be good for development yes, but it gives all those sakura bashers more reasons to bash her and another reason for them to call her "useless" and say hinata is better, I for one do not wan't that.

Now if she gets injured and comes near death by doing something heroic or something big for naruto then im down for it.

[redragon88]

Why is it that bad if sakura dies as long as she gets revived again? I think that could be a very emotional and awesome moment. Also it would mean a lot off development for naruto.

I'd rather see Madara throw a hissy fit because Obito screwed up his plans by dying, not even able to use the rinnegan for anything.

[PhenixElite]

It could be good for development yes, but it gives all those sakura bashers more reasons to bash her and another reason for them to call her "useless" and say hinata is better, I for one do not wan't that.

Now if she gets injured and comes near death by doing something heroic or something big for naruto then im down for it.

I think the problem is that we worry to much about the opinion of other fans. No matter what sakura does, they will keep bashing her and wont change their opinion about her.

I care about whats good for the story and charcters not for the opinions of other fandoms.

[neoshadow]

Why is it that bad if sakura dies as long as she gets revived again? I think that could be a very emotional and awesome moment. Also it would mean a lot off development for naruto.

To add to what zatheko said it also creates a precedent that everyone else gets to be revived again too. If it was just Sakura that got revived in the context of the war and all the ninja villages you have to ask why does Sakura get to be revived and nobody else, why not Neji, why not Shikaku, Inoichi, Ao aren't they just as important if not more so. Now obviously in the context of the story Sakura is far more important she's the heroine but you can't really break the fourth wall in that way when reviving her.

On the other hand you could expect everyone who has been killed recently to be revived as well, but we've already seen that once in the Invasion of Pain and a lot of people cried foul over that particular deus ex machina then so to see it used twice is just bad storytelling, it renders death pointless. And I'd rather see everyone's sacrifice mean something, not to see it all swept under the rug again.

Personally I'm morbidly curious to see exactly how those close to her would react to her death but I don't want her to die because I don't want her to have to be the only one revived because its essentially unfair or I don't want everyone else to be revived with her.

Edited by neoshadow, 31 January 2013 - 09:18 AM.

[Zatheko]

I think the problem is that we worry to much about the opinion of other fans. No matter what sakura does, they will keep bashing her and wont change their opinion about her.

I care about whats good for the story and charcters not for the opinions of other fandoms.

It's also about some of sakura fans as well, I for one don't want her to seem helpless and NEED to be rescued, I think she is strong enough to handle things on her own, and I hope im right about that thats why I would prefer her to be hurt doing something that would really make her shine, not just "sakura gets attacked and is now dead".

Edited by zatheko, 31 January 2013 - 09:33 AM.

[PhenixElite]

To add to what zatheko said it also creates a precedent that everyone else gets to be revived again too. If it was just Sakura that got revived in the context of the war and all the ninja villages you have to ask why does Sakura get to be revived and nobody else, why not Neji, why not Shikaku, Inoichi, Ao aren't they just as important if not more so. Now obviously in the context of the story Sakura is far more important she's the heroine but you can't really break the fourth wall in that way when reviving her.

On the other hand you could expect everyone who has been killed recently to be revived as well, but we've already seen that once in the Invasion of Pain and a lot of people cried foul over that particular deus ex machina then so to see it used twice is just bad storytelling, it renders death pointless. And I'd rather see everyone's sacrifice mean something, not to see it all swept under the rug again.

Personally I'm morbidly curious to see exactly how those close to her would react to her death but I don't want her to die because I don't want her to have to be the only one revived because its essentially unfair or I don't want everyone else to be revived with her.

She would be the one who gets revived since this would be the parallel to rin. Thats the important thing, it would never have the same impact to revive everybody since sakura is included in this parallel. I see no direct need to revive everybody, i belive its better as long as its only sakura, this action will show the redemtion of obito.

Through this, obito will open the gate for naruto that he couldnt pass.

@zatheko: Of course, i also dont want to see her dying without a heroic action, but as long as she does something important it would be awesome.

Edited by PhenixElite, 31 January 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

I feel like luffyq is Kishi and the other users are his mind, spinning off plots for him. LOL

[narulsaku]

I feel like luffyq is Kishi and the other users are his mind, spinning off plots for him. LOL

i think

[narusaku4ver]

She would be the one who gets revived since this would be the parallel to rin. Thats the important thing, it would never have the same impact to revive everybody since sakura is included in this parallel. I see no direct need to revive everybody, i belive its better as long as its only sakura, this action will show the redemtion of obito.

Through this, obito will open the gate for naruto that he couldnt pass.

@zatheko: Of course, i also dont want to see her dying without a heroic action, but as long as she does something important it would be awesome.

Well, We all know this, we know Sakura dying for Naruto's development and Obito understanding of Naruto and then leading to redemption this is the best scenario possible, but the problem is that this will make NS canon.

So the fact is he will make NS canon right now?
When we all know that when we got a NS scene after we have a "hold on" scene, like NH or SS, just think it all ended we thinking that Sakura moved on from Sasuke but still she loves him.
The NH is the same thing, Naruto did not show any romantic intent towards Hinata but when the fans expect it they always get slapped on the face hard the same with us when we think that Sakura has fallen for Naruto, kishi shows something like 540 after, and we got slapped.
the difference is that Sakura showed romantic intent towards Naruto but does not him.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 31 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

i think

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[kirabook]

When I say "Save Sakura". I'm not talking about having her chained up and useless, waiting to be struck before Naruto jumps in and takes her away bridal style. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't want Sakura to be captured at all.

My imagination is more like she is blind sided in the middle of battle or in a tight spot, seconds away from being killed by something (Be it Obito coming at her himself, or a huge rod from the Juubi, or Madara about to wipe the floor with her)

I imagine Naruto jumping in last moment to deflect whatever in style, creating what seems to be a dramatic moment, something enough that would cause Obito to reminisce about Rin's death.

No damsel in distress, no suddenly weakness, no injuries (though she could have some previously), no plot-no-jutsu "Oh no, I can't move!", just a moment of protecting her is enough to draw the parallel. A small moment like that is "saving" her from sure death. (But Sakura would be fine and immediately continue about her business)


I still don't like the revived scheme. Yeah, it would draw the parallel between Obi/Rin and Naru/Saku, but what's the point? NS is not supposed to be a direct parallel of the other pairings related to it. There's always something different about them. That something different could easily be Naruto defending Sakura from death where Obito didn't and that's it.

[PhenixElite]

Well, We all know this, we know Sakura dying for Naruto's development and Obito understanding of Naruto and then leading to redemption this is the best scenario possible, but the problem is that this will make NS canon.

So the fact is he will make NS canon right now?
When we all know that when we got a NS scene after we have a "hold on" scene, like NH or SS, just think it all ended we thinking that Sakura moved on from Sasuke but still she loves him.
The NH is the same thing, Naruto did not show any romantic intent towards Hinata but when the fans expect it they always get slapped on the face hard the same with us when we think that Sakura has fallen for Naruto, kishi shows something like 540 after, and we got slapped.
the difference is that Sakura showed romantic intent towards Naruto but does not him.

Who knows, maybe the scene happens near the end? We dont know what direction this battle is going to take.

Of course kishi has to add this sort of speedbumps. Without them NS would already be canon. I think that wa also the use of sakuras confession, he made it to stall them from canon till the end.

Thats just typical storytelling, in the beginning kishi shows a lot of romance between naruto and sakura, with that developmet he shows us that NS is ment to happen. After he showed how obvious NS us he has to stall it to the end, otherwise it would be canon much too early in the story. Thats also the reason why i have no problem if kishi shows some SS or NH scenes to keep those fanbases intrested. In my opinion he aleeady showed his choosen pairing with how the story progressed and also with the movie.

[rocci]

But she's a medic.

well this is more like fan fiction indeed but i think dying sakura has more dramatic than death sakura. and when i say naruto i mean kurama power. i think kurama power always asociated with life unlike the other biiju only he can regrow a hole in your chest. hopefully it happen....

[Gravenimage]

Who knows, maybe the scene happens near the end? We dont know what direction this battle is going to take.

Of course kishi has to add this sort of speedbumps. Without them NS would already be canon. I think that wa also the use of sakuras confession, he made it to stall them from canon till the end.

Thats just typical storytelling, in the beginning kishi shows a lot of romance between naruto and sakura, with that developmet he shows us that NS is ment to happen. After he showed how obvious NS us he has to stall it to the end, otherwise it would be canon much too early in the story. Thats also the reason why i have no problem if kishi shows some SS or NH scenes to keep those fanbases intrested. In my opinion he aleeady showed his choosen pairing with how the story progressed and also with the movie.

This^ I agree this is what I've been saying for a while. Kishi has already done plenty of development to NS but he has to give obstacles to the pairing as well as keeping the tension flowing in the story all to keep the drama going. Giving NH and SS fan service is normal and its only to please those fans, but those moments are NOT canon or to be considered romantic development of the pairing compared to the kind of development he's been giving to NS (it's been done slow and steady). Not in just one panel from one chapter and the pairing is going to be canon *cough NH ch 615 cough*. And as I said those fan services he has given to NH and SS will come back to bite the fandom in the behind because in the end Kishi is just going to troll them like he has done many times before (examples I have already given before ch 437, 482, 615 RTN). Once the manga reaches the end Kishi will pull the last string to make NS canon without putting much effort since he has done a very slow development since the beginning.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 January 2013 - 02:17 PM.