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[Don-kun]

Are you serious? You're treating this like it's a war. That's absurd. Do you have any idea what you sound like? You're treating me like I'm a double agent, or a spy. You take this way, way too seriously.

I say NS fans are in denial about this because they are the only ones I've seen who defend the approach she took, and that includes the neutral parties. They are the only ones who try to defend every little thing Sakura does, as though she can absolutely do no wrong. It's foolish.

She already chose who she wants to be with when she confessed to Naruto and went off to kill Naruto to protect him and remove the burden she gave him. No contest who she loves but I would prefer if it ends as ciardha mentioned, let the opposite fandom rage and hate like Kishi would care one he ends his manga because he already squeeze enough money from the fans and the merchandise.

donjoseph your view of things is perfect for a fan fic if you want to give it a shot.

My replay Sakura is not clear about the person she really loves she knows she like Sasuke but she is not clear about Naruto she have the feelings, but at the same time she hasn't question her self about does feelings, I know she is sure of the person she choose (Naruto)

I'll love to write some good Fanfiction, but My english skills will not allow me.

About your replay that was my way of thinking that she only loves Naruto from chapter 245 until 469 after 469 I stop, now I she will chose him and I also know that she has strong feelings for him that's the reason why I ship this pairing, I still think that her feeling are a lot more genuine than Hinata's feelings, you see I can say that I really like a person but after I really get to know that person I can say that I love them, Sakura really knows Naruto in a personal way Hinata doesn't. but after Sakura lates revelation I think there is a lot of redeeming she will need after Kage summit and 540 she won many hater, because of forums like this and Naruto forums I start to see her another way and love her again I almost went to the haters side and become a new Anti Big 3...

I will say that Sakura tell Naruto the reason why she feel that way about him, but the Sakura love Naruto part is something I rarely use, at this point I doubt she really knows who she loves I can even say that she insist on Sasuke because he is her first crush and the person she really open up to plus the creator finds it easier and less complicated to leave it that way, but did Kishi ever expline the readers why she thinks she loves him? NO
So in my opinion she like Sasuke because she likes him but her feeling for Naruto are much more stronger.
That's why I say actions do speak louder than words...

A for your information the first day I see the trailer of Naruto only with the preview and episode 3 plus the name of the anime it made me like NaruSaku back in 2003. I start forums may 2011 so it was never about others opinions it was the way I see the Anime.

I don't know. How about all of those times when she called him an idiot or annoying, or punched him in the face for being "stupid," or punched him for being "perverted." And please, do not throw the Tsundere excuse at me. I know what it is. I don't like it. Don't tell me it's for comedy. I don't find it funny, and no other man should. If the genders were reversed, there would be outrage. It's a double standard, and I don't take it lightly.



Yeah, and where was he when all of the kids of the village treated him like a loser and a nuisance? Where was she when the adults of the village treated him like a monster? Where was she when he had no parents, no friends, no one to love him? You wouldn't call that inconsiderate? I sure would. Of course he acts out as a prankster. How else would be be noticed? How else would she even see him? It's been stated as much in the manga and in the anime countless times, and it's even been established as a critical plot point and staple of his character development. Why was it acceptable for her to see him as undeserving of even the slightest amount of affection or dignity, and yet totally unacceptable for him to try and get her attention by whatever means he could?



Exactly, and it's because she didn't bother to think of how he felt. Which is why she had that look of sharp, painful revalation when Sasuke chastised her for it and pointed out the errors of her thinking. She couldn't even bring herself to be nicer to him even when she knew that she should. It took time before she was, and only after he went above and beyond the call of duty to earn it.



And Naruto was treated that way and worse by the entire village, to the point where the vast majority of them would rather have seen him dead, and would happily murder him if they thought the Hokage would allow it. If she thought it was so important for him to respect her feelings, regardless of how he felt about her, then why was she not practicing what she preached? Why did she not take the time to understand how much he suffered?

My replay to your post.

You speak nothing but the truth that's how I feel about her character, don't get me wrong I feel that way about Naruto too. Sometimes Sakura will try to open up to him and he will cut off her approach or diss mist what she have to say plus he always keep mentioning Sasuke...
Sakura hes been wrong before, but Naruto have a lot of fault too he like to be reminding her that she most always love Sasuke no matter what because he will fix everithing.

So you're wrong I even agree with your post in the past and think same way you think about her I never try to cover up her error. those are some of my other post about her character.
The difference is that I do not blame only Sakura and put Naruto in a pedestal spot,

Naruto was rude here --Click here to view--

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if you deeply love someone, you will never use the word HATE, look how many things Sasuke has done and Naruto never use the word HATE he still remains obsessed with him and if you look at his behavior toward Sasuke we notice why the SasuNaru is so popular.
I know Sakura was wrong she confess in a bad moment but Naruto was rude too.
What did Naruto tell Sasuke after he try to kill Sakura?
When he was replaying to his mothers last wish he replace the find a girl like your mother with the desire to save Sasuke.
When you debate with NH the first thing they Say is that Naruto say that he hate Sakura.

I know she make a lot of mistake and stupid things, but Naruto need to be blame sometimes. I blame them both but I give Sakura little more blame because she still thinking about the emo avenger aftter he try to kill her.

Another difference I have with you is that I think that Sakura feel something romantic for Naruto, but is ignored and over shadow by what she feels for Sasuke.


In Conclusion You say NaruSaku fans are in denial now you try to make it I look like I'm a rabit NS fan, again you wrong because I honestly think that the big 3 doesn't make any sence, but I try to keep a positive mentality when I'm in this forum because here I learned to look at NaruSaku better way. They help me appreciate NaruSaku a lot more.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[tricksie]

You know, I will get some petty satisfaction after the manga is over and NS has been confirmed, when the Narutopedia contributors have to correct the Sakura and Hinata entries on the "Naruto's relationships" page.

They are so mind-blowingly biased. The entry on Sakura makes her sound like Naruto's enemy. That she has no value to the plot at all. And reading Hinata's entry, you would think that she is this dramatic love interest.

I highly recommend not reading it. It will only make you mad. I was only checking info for a new fanfic I'm writing, otherwise I wouldn't have gone at all. But it's satisfying to know one day they will be forced to change it.

[Gravenimage]

I think you guys really exagerate the Hinata fandom sometimes. Every fandom have their fans who go over-the-top. And for the bolded, not all Hinata fans are like that...

Like the avatar and the sig but trust me I have debated with crazy Hinata fans that even "claim" she's the strongest ninja in the manga yep you heard me right. Hinata is the most powerful of them all forget Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto, Itachi, Madara, the Bijuu or hell forget the sage of the six paths Hinata is the supreme of them all!

[Darth Krypt]

Like the avatar and the sig but trust me I have debated with crazy Hinata fans that even "claim" she's the strongest ninja in the manga yep you heard me right. Hinata is the most powerful of them all forget Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto, Itachi, Madara, the Bijuu or hell forget the sage of the six paths Hinata is the supreme of them all!

Well its like she said. Not all fans are like that. There always will be a few of those extreme ones. So we shouldn't waste our time on those kinds.

[Rocket]

You know, I will get some petty satisfaction after the manga is over and NS has been confirmed, when the Narutopedia contributors have to correct the Sakura and Hinata entries on the "Naruto's relationships" page.

They are so mind-blowingly biased. The entry on Sakura makes her sound like Naruto's enemy. That she has no value to the plot at all. And reading Hinata's entry, you would think that she is this dramatic love interest.

I highly recommend not reading it. It will only make you mad. I was only checking info for a new fanfic I'm writing, otherwise I wouldn't have gone at all. But it's satisfying to know one day they will be forced to change it.

Laughed hard.

Read the article.

Laughed even harder.

Even when she confessed her love for him, he didn't believe her, knowing full well she's still in love with Sasuke and that she was lying to herself, a fact proven to be true by Sai and later on by Sakura herself during the war.

Lawl.

Excuse me while I go get some water.

[Don-kun]

Well its like she said. Not all fans are like that. There always will be a few of those extreme ones. So we shouldn't waste our time on those kinds.

To be honest with you I read so many post from NH fans that they make me wonder if we are reading the same Manga.
If you go to the Naruto forums debate thread you will get my point... But if you go to Youtube you will never speak in favor of a NH fans again, I was ok with NH and always was agains SS but after I read all the thinks the say about Sakura, but put Sasuke in a hero pedestal note I start to hate the NH pairing.

how can you despise Sakura wish her all kind of horrible death, but still wish her to be with Sasuke? You think he is just been a confused guy that deserves happiness and Sakura deserves her man because she is been sofering a lot, so you hate her, you wish her to be dead, but when it comes to SS you think that they make a good couple and because you feel pity for her you thinks she deserves happiness.

Conclusión how can you hate a person, wish her to be dead but then think that she deserves to be Happy?

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[Gravenimage]

You know, I will get some petty satisfaction after the manga is over and NS has been confirmed, when the Narutopedia contributors have to correct the Sakura and Hinata entries on the "Naruto's relationships" page.

They are so mind-blowingly biased. The entry on Sakura makes her sound like Naruto's enemy. That she has no value to the plot at all. And reading Hinata's entry, you would think that she is this dramatic love interest.

I highly recommend not reading it. It will only make you mad. I was only checking info for a new fanfic I'm writing, otherwise I wouldn't have gone at all. But it's satisfying to know one day they will be forced to change it.

Or they might not change it at all. It's obvious the ones behind Narutopedia are supporters of NH and SS so let them be they will be the ones to swallow their pride when Kishi gives the final verdict to make his pairing of choice canon. Narutopedia is also the reason why fans who only watch the anime are Sakura bashers and biased when it comes to the story.

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 April 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Well its like she said. Not all fans are like that. There always will be a few of those extreme ones. So we shouldn't waste our time on those kinds.

So true. Ya know, my friend Kurt thinks I'm bias on some things I've said for Hinata just 'cuz I'm NaruSaku. But I'm not that rabid about it, even if he tries to point out some of the other things.

To be honest though, it's just mostly that some extreme Hinata fans just see Sakura as she was once, before she'd done a lot of growing. And I also would chalk it up to Hinata being moe that really makes them want her to be happy, while they just wanna see Sakura burn because she comes off human with all the flaws and imperfections.

[Don-kun]

You know, I will get some petty satisfaction after the manga is over and NS has been confirmed, when the Narutopedia contributors have to correct the Sakura and Hinata entries on the "Naruto's relationships" page.

They are so mind-blowingly biased. The entry on Sakura makes her sound like Naruto's enemy. That she has no value to the plot at all. And reading Hinata's entry, you would think that she is this dramatic love interest.

I highly recommend not reading it. It will only make you mad. I was only checking info for a new fanfic I'm writing, otherwise I wouldn't have gone at all. But it's satisfying to know one day they will be forced to change it.

-They never say Sakura doesn't have any romantic feelings for Naruto, they uncover her lie about not liking Sasuke it was clarify that she lied to Naruto about that part it was even proven 4 times that she lied to him about not liking Sasuke any more the last time 540.

-There is no focus on Naruto profile towards NH, Naruto still likes Sakura there and they mention that after the two girls confession Naruto loves Sakura, referring to episode 235 even when that was a filler.

-They make it very clear that Sasuke don't like Sakura or Karin.

-Hinata what can we say she is a one dimensional character a Naruto-kun satellite.

They may be biased towards NH and SS but they don't say false stuff like Sasuke liking Sakura or Naruto liking Hinata they keep it clean in that area.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[ciardha]

You know, I will get some petty satisfaction after the manga is over and NS has been confirmed, when the Narutopedia contributors have to correct the Sakura and Hinata entries on the "Naruto's relationships" page.

They are so mind-blowingly biased. The entry on Sakura makes her sound like Naruto's enemy. That she has no value to the plot at all. And reading Hinata's entry, you would think that she is this dramatic love interest.

I highly recommend not reading it. It will only make you mad. I was only checking info for a new fanfic I'm writing, otherwise I wouldn't have gone at all. But it's satisfying to know one day they will be forced to change it.

Oh yeah, they are so hilariously off, and not just the obvious pairing ones either. I haven't checked it recently, but for years Shikaku Nara's entry had this hysterically opposite of manga canon statement:"Just like his son, Shikaku hates strong willed women." Seriously, it's almost like whatever is in the entry about a character is opposite of manga canon.

[Darth Krypt]

-Hinata what can we say she is a one dimensional character a Naruto-kun satellite.

But a satellite revolves around its orbit. Hinata just follows from behind.

[PachucoDesigns]

I'm not angry, only pointing out your contradiction. You said Sakura only saw Naruto as a friend and her feelings for him were not special compared to anyone else in Konoha 11 in one response, and then said said she does love him in another. Sounds like that argument wasn't well thought out, unless you mean by her actions. If so, I agree the what she did was not the best of choices, but if you say she did not consider Naruto's feelings at all that is where we disagree on the matter. Second I know what you meant by "stand by her man" And my response is exactly what I meant. "SHOULD Sakura just agree with Naruto about Saving Sasuke cause she loves the former, and still has attachment to the latter? Is she still that much of the fan girl she used to be to behave that way, when she's clearly intelligent enough to see that to have Naruto keep chasing Sasuke would not be right, in a sense and would have harmful repercussions? I'm questioning whether or not you see her development as a character. And her confession is where we also disagree because I don't see it as covering for an ulterior motive, It was to let her feelings be known as she was planning to kill the person closest to both of them and was willing to accept any hostility from Naruto for it cause of the guilt of having him keep that painful promise. And I don't see it as a hasty, rushed move with some hidden agenda cause she had several hours, if not days to reflect on things and to consider all of the things you pointed out, before they got to Naruto all the way in the land of Iron, so the impulse argument for me is nil. So It's agreed we don't see eye to with Sakura's intentions during that arc. Lets just leave it at that , alright?

I'm not saying she should agree with him. I'm saying she should give him more credit and do something to reason with him. She should stay by his side in how he feels, but be there to try and help him adapt and understand. By doing what she did, she abandoned his feelings altogether, as though she knows what's best for him when he doesn't. That's condescending.

I do understand her development as a character, but her development as an adult is far from complete, and I'm sure even you can agree to that. And as for letting her feelings be known, I didn't see a touch of proper emotion in her actions until he turned her down. She wasn't talking to him like a girl confessing her love. She was talking to him like a mother speaks to her child at a relative's funeral. Like it's for the best, and it's a better place.

Do you really think a few days is enough to ponder years of emotional conflict and love interest? Let alone while trudging through the snow? And only after she decided to break the news to him? Where were her thoughts of confession before that moment? She did have an ulterior motive. She chose that moment to "confess" because it was most convenient to sway his way of thinking and feeling.

But a satellite revolves around its orbit. Hinata just follows from behind.

In that case, Naruto is more like a Sakura satellite.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 02 April 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[Soul]

But a satellite revolves around its orbit. Hinata just follows from behind.

If you asked me, It's even worse.

[Don-kun]

I'm not saying she should agree with him. I'm saying she should give him more credit and do something to reason with him. She should stay by his side in how he feels, but be there to try and help him adapt and understand. By doing what she did, she abandoned his feelings altogether, as though she knows what's best for him when he doesn't. That's condescending.

I do understand her development as a character, but her development as an adult is far from complete, and I'm sure even you can agree to that. And as for letting her feelings be known, I didn't see a touch of proper emotion in her actions until he turned her down. She wasn't talking to him like a girl confessing her love. She was talking to him like a mother speaks to her child at a relative's funeral. Like it's for the best, and it's a better place.

Do you really think a few days is enough to ponder years of emotional conflict and love interest? Let alone while trudging through the snow? And only after she decided to break the news to him? Where were her thoughts of confession before that moment? She did have an ulterior motive. She chose that moment to "confess" because it was most convenient to sway his way of thinking and feeling.



In that case, Naruto is more like a Sakura satellite.

Naruto is more of a Sasuke satellite lol.
This is too replay tricksie, Naruto is the only one in denial when it comes to Sasuke

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 04:09 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

Naruto is more of a Sasuke satellite lol.
This is too replay tricksie, Naruto is the only one in denial when it comes to Sasuke

If you say so.

[Darth Krypt]

This is why Sasuke is the biggest obstacle to NS. At one side you have Naruto obsessed in bringing him back to the light side and even went to the extreme in declaring that both of them will die when they battle. On the other we have Sakura who had a huge crush on him but now she's confused whether she still likes him or not. Is this guy really worth it?

[PachucoDesigns]

This is why Sasuke is the biggest obstacle to NS. At one side you have Naruto obsessed in bringing him back to the light side and even went to the extreme in declaring that both of them will die when they battle. On the other we have Sakura who had a huge crush on him but now she's confused whether she still likes him or not. Is this guy really worth it?

As a ninja? Yes. As a friend? No.

[Don-kun]

This is why Sasuke is the biggest obstacle to NS. At one side you have Naruto obsessed in bringing him back to the light side and even went to the extreme in declaring that both of them will die when they battle. On the other we have Sakura who had a huge crush on him but now she's confused whether she still likes him or not. Is this guy really worth it?

With Naruto it's just Kishi creepy, sick and twisted way to create drama and anguish.
With Sakura it's a pathetic, sick and insulting way to create drama. real life girl were I'm from are not like that and they will not think it twice before they insult you.

So Indeed Sasuke is a huge elephant in NS way and I really believe it's mostly because of Naruto.
I remember Naruto slashing in anger against 4 person that there to speak bad about Sasuke-kun...
1- Jiraiya ask him to forget Sasuke, but he said that he prefer to be a fool.
2- When Sai told him that Sasuke was a traitor Naruto rage and was hold back by Sakura, another time he sank his fingers on a tree.
3- Orochimaru speak about Sasuke and Nuruto turn in too a 4 tail kyuubi.
4- And Sakura we all know how that one end.

Now that he see that everyone was right about Sasuke-kun he say that he will die with him... So they could Smile together has non Uchiha and non Uzumaki.

For me Naruto has just start to redeem himself again in my view, but still prefer the little Naruto.

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 05:01 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

With Naruto it's just Kishi creepy, sick and twisted way to create drama and anguish.
With Sakura it's a pathetic, sick and insulting way to create drama. real life girl were I'm from are not like that and they will not think on insult you.

Then wherever you come from must be nice. I can't say the same thing about where I am from.

[Don-kun]

Then wherever you come from must be nice. I can't say the same thing about where I am from.

Now you're been a liar, I really don't know anything about Asian, African and Arab culture...
But Latinos, European and and English girls and boys are the Same, none off them will be rejected, insulted and almost kill three times and they will still like to be with that boy...

Trust me if there were no NaruHina many people from the Western culture will despise SS, it's very popular because of the big help it gets from NH, there is no better way to keep Sakura away, than pairing her with Sasuke and if you read the comments that favors SS most off them sound bias and silly, because they are sideshipping it, on the ones that love the pairing they don't debate for it, because they don't have a solid reason to like it or defend it.
She loves Him is all they can say, but when you tell them that he doesn't love her they stay quiet or use the same statement. (she loves him)

Edited by donjoseph19, 02 April 2012 - 05:24 PM.