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[Swagkura]

totally agree with you here ! You can recognize them when they say "Sakura always hit Naruto she's so meaaaan" ...
oh God. Have you ever heard of a Tsundere character ?! 
That's why I think I'm done with most of  Shonen mangas, too much stupid and immature fans who don't know a thing about mangas...

Lol, this annoys the kitten out of me too. Especially when the other animes/manga that they read have the girl hitting the guy in the same exact ways Sakura does. And honestly, Sakura's hardly hit Naruto that freaking much. The anime over exaggerates everything pertaining to that -___-

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

The same one, though I don't know he said all that last part. However, he pretty much said indirectly, like no mention names, and point out "Hinata".

 

Funny I kind of find in very intruguing that when Kishi is always indirect is more accurate than him stating things straight forward like how he never knew how to kill Madara and never knew how SasSaku ended up  

 

Also, one last thing. In the history of Japanese anime industry. Has there been any history of of another anime staff did in the past as to sellout to the West like SP has done with TL?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Funny I kind of find in very intruguing that when Kishi is always indirect is more accurate than him stating things straight forward like how he never knew how to kill Madara and never knew how SasSaku ended up  
 
Also, one last thing. In the history of Japanese anime industry. Has there been any history of of another anime staff did in the past as to sellout to the West like SP has done with TL?

You may have to ask someone else that. I just know the western does matter in some form of way. I know some 4Kids anime continue to do more because of western demands when they already planned to end it before. So it does influence them.

[AHK]

So true!! Kishimoto simply didn't deliver!! He had all these theme, but in the end he fell back on Sasuke, the golden boy, to carry the story. I wonder if, in the end, Kishimoto just didn't understand his main character anymore. Kishi really gravitated toward these flawed character, but he forced himself to make Naruto without flaw. A perfect cookie-cutter hero. Kishi wouldn't truly test him or make him doubt himself or cast any shade on his storyline. Instead he made Sasuke be the driver of the story.
 
Sasuke was the one everyone wondered about, waited on his decision. Sasuke was the one who got pats on the back from Itachi, got to chat with the other Kages, and even got to go to Naruto's secret family compound that, hello, no one has even bothered to tell Naruto about!! Yeah, the story just moves around Naruto. I think this is where Kishimoto fails deeply as a writer. He forgot who the main character was. 
 
And yes, yes, yes to your thoughts about the extended universe of Naruto. Why didn't any of that get developed? It would have been awesome. And worse, it was right there for the taking. But instead of making an actual subplot after the Pain arc, it became like Dancing with the Stars, Ninja Edition, with a new baddie/hero combo taking the spotlight to fight out their problems before the next one took their place. 
 
(I've written a blurb of how I think the Last movie should have gone, in a way that would have stayed true to the original story. As if I were the staff writer tasked with coming up with a creative finale to the series. It would focus on Naruto and Sasuke, with both of them being the last in the line for things their family laid out for them: Naruto as the last jinchuriki, Sasuke as the last Uchiha. I'll post it here in a little while. Still needs some tweaking at the end. But it's along the same lines of what you're talking about.)
 
There was so much more to be explored. So many themes that could have been used. And when you think that they went with Sasuke and Hinata...it's just so ridiculous. Like Kishimoto wanted his cash, and he farmed the rest out to teams who have such a dim view of women and audiences that they only know how to wrap it up like it's really bad fanfiction.

Yes! Completely agreed with everything you said! There was much left to be desired, and many things that didn't get fleshed out. The focus on Sasuke and Hinata was absolutely criminal, I still can't believe that Kishi had the audacity o say that Naruto's role was to save Sasuke, as if Sasuke was more important than Naruto. It was absolutely disgraceful.

Can't wait to see that blurb btw!

Edited by AHK, 11 March 2015 - 09:58 PM.

[redrose3443]

reading these last few pages, makes me want to write my own rants, but I'm just too lazy.

[sushi.]

 

 

So true!! Kishimoto simply didn't deliver!! He had all these theme, but in the end he fell back on Sasuke, the golden boy, to carry the story. I wonder if, in the end, Kishimoto just didn't understand his main character anymore. Kishi really gravitated toward these flawed character, but he forced himself to make Naruto without flaw. A perfect cookie-cutter hero. Kishi wouldn't truly test him or make him doubt himself or cast any shade on his storyline. Instead he made Sasuke be the driver of the story.

 

Sasuke was the one everyone wondered about, waited on his decision. Sasuke was the one who got pats on the back from Itachi, got to chat with the other Kages, and even got to go to Naruto's secret family compound that, hello, no one has even bothered to tell Naruto about!! Yeah, the story just moves around Naruto. I think this is where Kishimoto fails deeply as a writer. He forgot who the main character was. 

 

And yes, yes, yes to your thoughts about the extended universe of Naruto. Why didn't any of that get developed? It would have been awesome. And worse, it was right there for the taking. But instead of making an actual subplot after the Pain arc, it became like Dancing with the Stars, Ninja Edition, with a new baddie/hero combo taking the spotlight to fight out their problems before the next one took their place. 

 

(I've written a blurb of how I think the Last movie should have gone, in a way that would have stayed true to the original story. As if I were the staff writer tasked with coming up with a creative finale to the series. It would focus on Naruto and Sasuke, with both of them being the last in the line for things their family laid out for them: Naruto as the last jinchuriki, Sasuke as the last Uchiha. I'll post it here in a little while. Still needs some tweaking at the end. But it's along the same lines of what you're talking about.)

 

There was so much more to be explored. So many themes that could have been used. And when you think that they went with Sasuke and Hinata...it's just so ridiculous. Like Kishimoto wanted his cash, and he farmed the rest out to teams who have such a dim view of women and audiences that they only know how to wrap it up like it's really bad fanfiction.

[LuckyChi7]

How is it when I look up Fairy Tail fan art that I see a sketch of Boruto kissing Sarada's forehead with the line from chapter 3?

 

 

 

Actually before anyone says anything, There's no logic behind it, that's the best answer I'm going to say right now.  

[Phantom_999]

To ponder that is to submit yourself to madness

[Liu bie]

So the antis begin to  counter us that we were the first to steal nh and ss children.

[Nar123]

So the antis begin to  counter us that we were the first to steal nh and ss children.

 

lol how so? They can keep their mop, burrito and salad to themselves

Edited by Nar123, 11 March 2015 - 11:56 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

There's not much indication of anything, really. Unfortunatley you can interpret it however you like. Is Hinata really parenting like her father? Probably not...maybe not.... Uh.... My point is, surpassing her father's parenting style was never her goal. So why wouldn't she just be continuing with what she knew? I guess it all comes down to whether you want to give her the benefit of the doubt or not.

 

We have no indication of anything about Hinata because she's a cardboard cutout of an otaku ideal. There is no development that shows anything about her other than that she succeeded in her one goal of attaining Naruto. That is the only thing we can be certain of.

 

 

 

How you see Hinata is up to you. That's the wonderful thing about cardboard cutouts. There's nothing propping her up so you can make up whatever you like about her. It's exactly what editors were hoping for when they moved her into the heroine slot and pushed Sakura out.

 

There is nothing to prove that Hinata is a good mom or bad mom. But again, my bigger point is that Hinata did come from a terrible parenting situation, even though she was the Hime and obviously living in the lap of luxury.

 

So why is Naruto automatically blamed as the neglectful dad because he grew up neglected himself...yet Hinata is supposed to be a good mom when she grew up neglected too?! And Hinata had it worse because she saw another sibling and cousin take a place of importance over her. Naruto didn't have parent issues — he was an orphan. But Hinata absolutely would have parent issues because she was intentionally overlooked.

 

Some of the most development Hinata has is about her treatment at the hands of her family. This is fact. Just because she's shown smiling with one child in the end doesn't mean that she's a good parent. In fact, with her known family background combined the present situation of Bolt's behavior issues, I would say that she's obviously doing something wrong.

 

After everything that's happened in the manga, I just don't have it in me to give Hinata the benefit of the doubt. If she weren't a cardboard cutout meant to stand in for whatever a fan wants to see in her, then she would have a full plate of emotional hurdles waiting for her as an adult: choosing a shinobi life or life as the clan leader, marrying for love rather for the clan's prosperity; deciding whether to end the cage seal and going against traditionalists if she chooses to; raising her children based on equality of skills rather than focusing on the ones who will bring honor to the clan. 

 

All of these things should be Hinata's lot. But they're not. And I bet that in Part 3 Hinata will get a pass on all of it, including her flaws as a parent. Hinata will just be the happy little wife, while the blame for bad parenting gets lumped onto Naruto. 

 

Last thing...you know who would not have these issues at all? That's right...Sakura. Great mom material, just like Kushina. Even Minato approves. 

 

WOW. I think I'm falling for you, Tricks! Seriously, this really makes sense, especially since Hinata had NO substance after the events of the first half

[LuckyChi7]

So excluding RTN what would be your favorite naruto movie?

Mine would have to Will of Fire followed by Shippuden movie 1.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I loled at ramen answer to "rate Naruto character above." Just awesome.

[Nar123]

So excluding RTN what would be your favorite naruto movie?

Mine would have to Will of Fire followed by Shippuden movie 1.

 

the one with the Hinata lookalike

 

My favorite were the part 1 ones, then will of fire from part 2

Edited by Nar123, 12 March 2015 - 12:06 AM.

[Swagkura]

So excluding RTN what would be your favorite naruto movie?
Mine would have to Will of Fire followed by Shippuden movie 1.

Will of Fire, and then the 3 Part 1 Naruto movies. Those hold a special place in my heart

[Nar123]

lol you guys

 

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true story

 

#respect, konan-sama

Edited by Nar123, 12 March 2015 - 12:09 AM.

[trang95]

So excluding RTN what would be your favorite naruto movie?

Mine would have to Will of Fire followed by Shippuden movie 1.

I haven't seen all of them, but from the ones I've seen I like Will of Fire from Part 2 and the first Movie from Part 1 the most.

[Tiller]

What's going on here? I could use a bit of distraction tonight.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

What's going on here? I could use a bit of distraction tonight.

 

Oh, a little chaos, a little insanity, some awesome thoughts... the usual, y'know? :3

[Nar123]

What's going on here? I could use a bit of distraction tonight.

 

 

So excluding RTN what would be your favorite naruto movie?

Mine would have to Will of Fire followed by Shippuden movie 1.