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[Psychox]

 

I try not to do it. But it's really pissing me of. Now they are even saying Sasori can solo Minato. I mean how can you argue with that kind of ligic.

You don't, you just have to ignore them,though i understand you .. You want to defend Sakura<3 ,but its hard to fight double standards ^^.

Edited by Psychox, 05 October 2013 - 06:07 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

You don't, you just have to ignore them,though i understand you .. You want to defend Sakura<3 ,but its hard to fight double standards ^^.

 

I'll do that :) I really don't understand people needs to bash/downgrade everything Sakura did/does.

[T XD]

 

I'll do that :) I really don't understand people needs to bash/downgrade everything Sakura did/does.

I feel like I said this line many times already... And I'll keep saying it XD

 

Haters gonna hate.

 

Sad, but true.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's a fun question. Note: don't worry about what the character would say being OoC or not:

Naruto and Sakura are now together. One day, Shikamaru, Ino, and others found a technology that can switch minds with different bodies. One day, Sakura just have a bad day and felt that Naruto only loves her because of her body. Again, her mind is not in the zone. So she went to see the new technology and pretty much it works. The elder frog happens to be there, so now, Sakura asks a favor to switch minds. They did.

Naruto sees Sakura (elder frog) in the garden eating those foods that Naruto got forced to eat back in the frog mountain. Naruto was disgusted and felt weird seeing her pigging herself with some of the disgusting stuff. Elder frog (Sakura) catches him and tells him, "It's me, Sakura." Naruto caught off-guard with shocked face, so she says, "I knew it! You only like me for my body."

You're Naruto. How would you handle the situation?

[Psychox]

 

I'll do that :) I really don't understand people needs to bash/downgrade everything Sakura did/does.

 

Dunno, from psychological aspect , to relieve stress and release some negative energy,something like a punching bag..Or jump on the bandwagon for some because there is nothing better to do >.<


 

 

Here's a fun question. Note: don't worry about what the character would say being OoC or not:

Naruto and Sakura are now together. One day, Shikamaru, Ino, and others found a technology that can switch minds with different bodies. One day, Sakura just have a bad day and felt that Naruto only loves her because of her body. Again, her mind is not in the zone. So she went to see the new technology and pretty much it works. The elder frog happens to be there, so now, Sakura asks a favor to switch minds. They did.

Naruto sees Sakura (elder frog) in the garden eating those foods that Naruto got forced to eat back in the frog mountain. Naruto was disgusted and felt weird seeing her pigging herself with some of the disgusting stuff. Elder frog (Sakura) catches him and tells him, "It's me, Sakura." Naruto caught off-guard with shocked face, so she says, "I knew it! You only like me for my body."

You're Naruto. How would you handle the situation?

I like/love you , so that includes your body,regardless of shape/size. The two of you go together right?

Edited by Psychox, 05 October 2013 - 06:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I like/love you , so that includes your body,regardless of shape/size. The two of you go together right?

You got to prove it then. Hint hint. Don't go "there".

[Psychox]

You got to prove it then. Hint hint. Don't go "there".

Oh, i have to prove it? Hm, well just remind her why i started loving her  and that would mean the thing that she hated the most about her body -f-o-r-e-h-e-a-d   . The end.

Edited by Psychox, 05 October 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh, i have to prove it? Hm, well just remind her why i started loving her  and that would mean the thing that she hated the most about her body -f-o-r-e-h-e-a-d   . The end.

Lol I meant physically.

[Psychox]

Lol I meant physically.

Oh, kiss it then , sorry , my head is a little of duty

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh, kiss it then , sorry , my head is a little of duty

Kiss the elder frog. Got it.

[Psychox]

Kiss the elder frog. Got it.

Yup.

Is she watching behind a bush or something ?Because if she is then ...

Edited by Psychox, 05 October 2013 - 07:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol well I want someone to join the fun. Lol.

[redragon88]

Here's a fun question. Note: don't worry about what the character would say being OoC or not:

Naruto and Sakura are now together. One day, Shikamaru, Ino, and others found a technology that can switch minds with different bodies. One day, Sakura just have a bad day and felt that Naruto only loves her because of her body. Again, her mind is not in the zone. So she went to see the new technology and pretty much it works. The elder frog happens to be there, so now, Sakura asks a favor to switch minds. They did.

Naruto sees Sakura (elder frog) in the garden eating those foods that Naruto got forced to eat back in the frog mountain. Naruto was disgusted and felt weird seeing her pigging herself with some of the disgusting stuff. Elder frog (Sakura) catches him and tells him, "It's me, Sakura." Naruto caught off-guard with shocked face, so she says, "I knew it! You only like me for my body."

You're Naruto. How would you handle the situation?

 

I have no clue how Naruto would handle the situation, but I would you say that Sakura was loosing her ability for rational thought.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yup.

Is she watching behind a bush or something ?Because if she is then ...

Well she hopped over to Naruto, he turns around and his first reaction after she tells him it's her is "WHOA!!" She gets pushy and tells him that she knew that he only likes her for her body. The bad thing is like you said, if he's going to prove it, he can't kiss "Sakura", he has to kiss Sakura in an elder frog body. Oh for fun, Konohamaru is walking down, seeing you from afar. His reaction could be priceless depending on your action.

[KnS]

Naruto was not joking in 631, when Naruto is joking, when he's being silly, it's obvious.  His facial expressions, his body language give him away, Naruto as drawn during those panel exhibited none of those characterstics first of all, and second of all Naruto would have to be a pretty terrible person to joke about that in front of the entire army, when the question wasn't addressed to him, to his father with whom he only has a short amount of time, and when the other girl who confessed to him and who just lost her cousin is right there hearing and watching it all go down.

 

You've neatly summarized the same point I made in this post when #631 came out, and have repeated a few times since.  It astonishes me that fans can believe Naruto was in any way joking in #631, especially a NS fan.  It's so clear that he was not, and as I said recently I feel Kishimoto needed to have #631 as a refresh and transition between where things were left between Naruto and Sakura after her confession, and where things will end up when Sakura's feelings are unified in favor of Naruto.

 

As for the rest of your well-written post, I agree, and appreciate the time it must have taken you to write it.  Sakura is quite normal in my view as well.  It's disappointing how frequently her confusion and personal frailties have to be defended, even to some who call themselves her fans, despite the fact that she's a normal girl.  No character in the Naruto universe is perfect, and only willful blindness and/or bias can label Sakura as more imperfect than the others.

 

One addition I would make to your explanation of Sakura's confusion is the impact Naruto's behavior and choices has had on her.  His pure and selfless love for Sakura has enabled her to maintain a flawed perception of Sasuke much longer than I believe it would have lasted on its own.  Naruto's own desire to believe in Sasuke's redemption, his determination to elevate Sasuke above the path Sasuke has chosen for himself, and Naruto's need to keep his promise to Sakura in order to be worthy of her has made it difficult for Sakura realize the truth about Sasuke all this time.

 

It's truly maddening how Naruto shot himself in the foot twice -- once by posing as Sasuke and acting in a way that put ideas in Sakura's head, and then by believing he would only ever be worthy of Sakura if he is able to bring home his rival for her affection -- and possibly forever lose any chance to be with her himself.  

 

The guy sure knows how to make his life difficult.  

Edited by KnS, 05 October 2013 - 09:07 PM.

[Psychox]

Well she hopped over to Naruto, he turns around and his first reaction after she tells him it's her is "WHOA!!" She gets pushy and tells him that she knew that he only likes her for her body. The bad thing is like you said, if he's going to prove it, he can't kiss "Sakura", he has to kiss Sakura in an elder frog body. Oh for fun, Konohamaru is walking down, seeing you from afar. His reaction could be priceless depending on your action.

I remember pretty well that she dislikes (still does maybe who knows she is a complicated creature as all girls are) her body so the only way to prove that is to kiss the frog or w/e the thing may be.But he can tell her exactly what he told her when he saw her after the their gathering in part 2 ''do i look more womanly now?' He will probably answer as he did back there '' you look the same'' though that made her pissed and we all know what she wanted.

[rikakim94]

 

 

You've neatly summarized the same point I made in this post when #631 came out, and have repeated a few times since.  It astonishes me that fans can believe Naruto was in any way joking in #631, especially a NS fan.  It's so clear that he was not, and as I said recently I feel Kishimoto needed to have #631 as a refresh and transition between where things were left between Naruto and Sakura after her confession, and where things will end up when Sakura's feelings are unified in favor of Naruto.

 

As for the rest of your well-written post, I agree, and appreciate the time it must have taken you to write it.  Sakura is quite normal in my view as well.  It's disappointing how frequently her confusion and personal frailties have to be defended, even to some who call themselves her fans, despite the fact that she's a normal girl.  No character in the Naruto universe is perfect, and only willful blindness and/or bias can label Sakura as more imperfect than the others.

 

One addition I would make to your explanation of Sakura's confusion is the impact Naruto's behavior and choices has had on her.  His pure and selfless love for Sakura has enabled her to maintain a flawed perception of Sasuke much longer than I believe it would have lasted on its own.  Naruto's own desire to believe in Sasuke's redemption, his determination to elevate Sasuke above the path Sasuke has chosen for himself, and Naruto's need to keep his promise to Sakura in order to be worthy of her has made it difficult for Sakura realize the truth about Sasuke all this time.

 

It's truly maddening how Naruto shot himself in the foot twice -- once by posing as Sasuke and acting in a way that put ideas in Sakura's head, and then by believing he would only ever be worthy of Sakura if he is able to bring home his rival for her affection -- and possibly forever lose any chance to be with her himself.  

 

The guy sure knows how to make his life difficult.  

 

 

I think masashi kishimoto makes narutos life even more difficult i mean the writer loves to put sasuke above everyone.   

[TouKen4Life3g]

I remember pretty well that she dislikes (still does maybe who knows she is a complicated creature as all girls are) her body so the only way to prove that is to kiss the frog or w/e the thing may be.But he can tell her exactly what he told her when he saw her after the their gathering in part 2 ''do i look more womanly now?' He will probably answer as he did back there '' you look the same'' though that made her pissed and we all know what she wanted.

That's all folks!

[morgaine4]

 

morgaine4 Since you know sakura in a complex matter.

 

Whats your take on this post? its a neutral post about sakura as a character and the way how she was treated by her author.  also shes an NS fan : http://bodegacowboy....ght-sakura-rant?

 

Do you kishi really failed sakura as a character? cause to me he kinda did this the reason why studio perriot mistreats her the most compared to other characters in the series, most of the western fandom hates her and some are legit hatred that i do understand why. 

 

whats worse is that i think right now shes not doing well both pairing wise and plot wise she dosen't do much other than to worry and speeches. Don't get me wrong its nice to see her worry about, but she needs to do some action that shes's been lacking this entire arc.

 

I'll try, but honestly I'm no Sakura expert, just a long winded weirdo.

 

I think he makes some good points, but I don't agree with everything he's said.

 

As to whether or not Kishi failed with Sakura, well I don't know, ultimately I don't know what his goals for Sakura were or are.  I think it would have helped the character had he explored medical ninjutsu a bit more, and had made Kabuto a rival of sorts for Sakura, I think there are things he could have done to have made her more popular in the West, but I don't think her unpopularity in the West is an appropriate way to measure whether or not Kishi failed, and I would say that's one of my primary oppositions to the linked tumblr post.  Honestly the West is irrelevant, for the most part it's ignorant of the cultural context, and Kishi isn't writing for the West --he's writing for Japanese fans.

 

Sakura is popular in South Asia (according to my friends and family), she's popular in South East Asia, she's popular in China, and MOST IMPORTANTLY she's popular in Japan --she's popular amongst the intended readers.  If the people for whom Kishi is writing understand her, read the manga as it should be (by volume at the very least --and yes, the manga reads very different in large chunks), and ultimately enjoy her --did Kishi fail?  He's not writing for us (the Western audience, and without going into too much detail because I haven't looked much into it, but there's quite a bit of evidence indicating that for the last decade or more in American media other than a few exceptions have weaker women, passive women, shrinking violets have had a sort of resurgence --particularly interesting when considering Hinata's popularity in the West).

 

How does SP mistreat her?  I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude but I so rarely watch the anime that I honestly don't know.  At the moment, the most I can think of is that 1.  They bring out her Tsundere-self more often than it is in the manga (which, as far as I know, is something that by en large the Japanese fans enjoy) and 2.  She's often turned into a damsel, which is annoying yes, but it seems pretty routine --a way for the hero to be a hero to the girl he likes.

 

Now, about proposition that because part 2 is different than part 1 (in terms of destiny vs hard work), Kishi failed Sakura.  Again, to me it goes to the point that she's still incredibly popular among the intended audience, and the intended audiences seems to think she's very strong.  Is that failing?  Yes, the goal of part 2 is different from part 1, but I think it's the Western audience that has failed to read analytically and critically when we expect Sakura to be as strong as Sasuke and Naruto.  I don't think Kishi is a perfect writer, and there are plenty of things that I'd prefer to be different in the manga, but I don't think Kishi failed so much as the Western readers are for some reason unable to understand a manga that's pretty straightforward (I mean, OK US reading level is about 7th grade, it's sad but this manga is intended for 7th/8th graders so it shouldn't be so hard!).  Did Kishi fail, or did Western readers fail?  I mean, I know one criticism of Sakura that usually includes a large dose of Kishi bashing is that Kishi failed because it's obvious that Sakura is an idiot who doesn't understand Sasuke/Naruto/men.  But, if it is true that Kishi basic goal with Sakura was to depict a "normal girl who doesn't understand men," (which I believe he has said) did he fail?  That to me indicates that it's the Western readers who are failing.

 

I know, I know I'm often down on the Western fandom, the fandom that I'm a part of and to some degree I apologize.  But being of South Asian ancestry, I know first hand of how arrogantly and adamantly some of us in the West can be, and when I returned to the Naruto fandom one of the first posts I saw was one in which a Western fan (I believe American) essentially said "who gives a F*** about the Japanese fandom, and their tastes, Kishi will obviously write for the American fans because we're more important."  I think a lot of people (many who aren't willing to admit that) believe that to some extent (even if it is subconscious), and I fundamentally believe that's a bit backwards.  Kishi is influenced by his culture (as we all are), Kishi is writing for a Japanese audience primarily (they buy his product after all, and they employ him), the Japanese fandom is the most important and I think we need to remember that.

 

 

 

 

One addition I would make to your explanation of Sakura's confusion is the impact Naruto's behavior and choices has had on her.  His pure and selfless love for Sakura has enabled her to maintain a flawed perception of Sasuke much longer than I believe it would have lasted on its own.  Naruto's own desire to believe in Sasuke's redemption, his determination to elevate Sasuke above the path Sasuke has chosen for himself, and Naruto's need to keep his promise to Sakura in order to be worthy of her has made it difficult for Sakura realize the truth about Sasuke all this time.

 

It's truly maddening how Naruto shot himself in the foot twice -- once by posing as Sasuke and acting in a way that put ideas in Sakura's head, and then by believing he would only ever be worthy of Sakura if he is able to bring home his rival for her affection -- and possibly forever lose any chance to be with her himself.  

 

The guy sure knows how to make his life difficult.  

 

 

Oh, i agree, absolutely.  It's actually kind of funny, Sakura probably would have had a better chance with Sasuke had she been herself when around him, and Naruto would probably have had a better chance with Sakura had he not held back.  Naruto's obliviousness, his inability to comprehend that Sakura doesn't understand Sasuke the way he does, that it's actually possible for a guy to not be attracted to Sakura really did effect Sakura.  Oh Naruto.

Edited by morgaine4, 05 October 2013 - 09:27 PM.

[Psychox]

^Kabuto is still not out of the picture, he is still engaged under Izanami,though he has no powers since orochimaru engulfed it all .. We need her to have a decent fight .