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#9461 tricksie

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:42 PM

 

I agree with you in most part Tricksie...but really as far as I hate the ending there is nothing to contribute witht the probability that Hinata is a bad mom or not. Its obvious by the ending that Bolt misses Naruto as a father figure,and with this the only thing we could argue is that Hinata probably isn't enough of a mom to stand up to Naruto and say that he is drowning to much in work ( AKA Internet, ramen and drinks) and forgetting his son. 

 

But there is no indication that she is playing favorites

 

There's not much indication of anything, really. Unfortunatley you can interpret it however you like. Is Hinata really parenting like her father? Probably not...maybe not.... Uh.... My point is, surpassing her father's parenting style was never her goal. So why wouldn't she just be continuing with what she knew? I guess it all comes down to whether you want to give her the benefit of the doubt or not.

 

We have no indication of anything about Hinata because she's a cardboard cutout of an otaku ideal. There is no development that shows anything about her other than that she succeeded in her one goal of attaining Naruto. That is the only thing we can be certain of.

 

 

I'm sorry, but I think you're looking way too into it. There's nothing to imply that Hinata is playing favorites with her children or that she neglects her son. Bolt's feelings of resentment and neglect are directed towards his father as far as we know. We won't even know about his feelings towards his mother until the movie and spin off.

 

How you see Hinata is up to you. That's the wonderful thing about cardboard cutouts. There's nothing propping her up so you can make up whatever you like about her. It's exactly what editors were hoping for when they moved her into the heroine slot and pushed Sakura out.

 

There is nothing to prove that Hinata is a good mom or bad mom. But again, my bigger point is that Hinata did come from a terrible parenting situation, even though she was the Hime and obviously living in the lap of luxury.

 

So why is Naruto automatically blamed as the neglectful dad because he grew up neglected himself...yet Hinata is supposed to be a good mom when she grew up neglected too?! And Hinata had it worse because she saw another sibling and cousin take a place of importance over her. Naruto didn't have parent issues — he was an orphan. But Hinata absolutely would have parent issues because she was intentionally overlooked.

 

Some of the most development Hinata has is about her treatment at the hands of her family. This is fact. Just because she's shown smiling with one child in the end doesn't mean that she's a good parent. In fact, with her known family background combined the present situation of Bolt's behavior issues, I would say that she's obviously doing something wrong.

 

After everything that's happened in the manga, I just don't have it in me to give Hinata the benefit of the doubt. If she weren't a cardboard cutout meant to stand in for whatever a fan wants to see in her, then she would have a full plate of emotional hurdles waiting for her as an adult: choosing a shinobi life or life as the clan leader, marrying for love rather for the clan's prosperity; deciding whether to end the cage seal and going against traditionalists if she chooses to; raising her children based on equality of skills rather than focusing on the ones who will bring honor to the clan. 

 

All of these things should be Hinata's lot. But they're not. And I bet that in Part 3 Hinata will get a pass on all of it, including her flaws as a parent. Hinata will just be the happy little wife, while the blame for bad parenting gets lumped onto Naruto. 

 

Last thing...you know who would not have these issues at all? That's right...Sakura. Great mom material, just like Kushina. Even Minato approves. 



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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:48 PM

On mobile so I can't reall quote, but tricksie is killing it. I think it's appal Sasuke visits the Uzumaki shrine and not Naruto. The Uzumaki, in general, get screwed. And I wholeheartedly agree that Kishi lost sight of his main character. Part II, directly or indirectly, is always about Sasuke.

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:49 PM

The manga ranking is here and it's gone!

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:51 PM

The manga ranking is here and it's gone!

How many weeks has it been since volume 72 was released?


 


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:53 PM

 

I overheard someone at work wanting to see a Hinata vs Whitebeard fight, and my response to this was Whitebeard would wipe the floor with Hinata guarantee considering with what he could do. 

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:54 PM

How many weeks has it been since volume 72 was released?

 

This is the fifth week since the initial release. Naruto must still carry a certain amount of renown and sympathy for its earnings to justify a top-selling position for four consecutive weeks. It's obviously declined, but it held on for longer than some of us expected. 



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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:56 PM

 

This is the fifth week since the initial release. Naruto must still carry a certain amount of renown and sympathy for its earnings to justify a top-selling position for four consecutive weeks. It's obviously declined, but it held on for longer than some of us expected. 

Thanks. Though I expected it to do a little bit better considering it's the final volume. I doubt part 3 will be nearly as successful, nor will the Boruto movie. The series' popularity has been declining for a while in Japan, but I'm betting it will be decreasing faster than ever now.


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 08:57 PM

I expected 7 weeks. 4 weeks it lasted. But I guess it's because it reached to almost all the fanbase from Japan.

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:00 PM

Can someone here confirmed that Kishi said he originally wanted Hinata to become the heroine in the 2010 Jump Festa? Is it true?


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:02 PM

 

There's not much indication of anything, really. Unfortunatley you can interpret it however you like. Is Hinata really parenting like her father? Probably not...maybe not.... Uh.... My point is, surpassing her father's parenting style was never her goal. So why wouldn't she just be continuing with what she knew? I guess it all comes down to whether you want to give her the benefit of the doubt or not.

 

We have no indication of anything about Hinata because she's a cardboard cutout of an otaku ideal. There is no development that shows anything about her other than that she succeeded in her one goal of attaining Naruto. That is the only thing we can be certain of.

 

 

 

How you see Hinata is up to you. That's the wonderful thing about cardboard cutouts. There's nothing propping her up so you can make up whatever you like about her. It's exactly what editors were hoping for when they moved her into the heroine slot and pushed Sakura out.

 

There is nothing to prove that Hinata is a good mom or bad mom. But again, my bigger point is that Hinata did come from a terrible parenting situation, even though she was the Hime and obviously living in the lap of luxury.

 

So why is Naruto automatically blamed as the neglectful dad because he grew up neglected himself...yet Hinata is supposed to be a good mom when she grew up neglected too?! And Hinata had it worse because she saw another sibling and cousin take a place of importance over her. Naruto didn't have parent issues — he was an orphan. But Hinata absolutely would have parent issues because she was intentionally overlooked.

 

Some of the most development Hinata has is about her treatment at the hands of her family. This is fact. Just because she's shown smiling with one child in the end doesn't mean that she's a good parent. In fact, with her known family background combined the present situation of Bolt's behavior issues, I would say that she's obviously doing something wrong.

 

After everything that's happened in the manga, I just don't have it in me to give Hinata the benefit of the doubt. If she weren't a cardboard cutout meant to stand in for whatever a fan wants to see in her, then she would have a full plate of emotional hurdles waiting for her as an adult: choosing a shinobi life or life as the clan leader, marrying for love rather for the clan's prosperity; deciding whether to end the cage seal and going against traditionalists if she chooses to; raising her children based on equality of skills rather than focusing on the ones who will bring honor to the clan. 

 

All of these things should be Hinata's lot. But they're not. And I bet that in Part 3 Hinata will get a pass on all of it, including her flaws as a parent. Hinata will just be the happy little wife, while the blame for bad parenting gets lumped onto Naruto. 

 

Last thing...you know who would not have these issues at all? That's right...Sakura. Great mom material, just like Kushina. Even Minato approves. 

The fact that Hinata as Wife and a Mother let her kids her and whole family be Neglected by Her Husband and the Father of their kids speaks for itself . Its common sens and logic  that she's doing a very poor job a kitten one for that matter  she's a kitten mother if she allows for her kid to go trough all of that torture in the first place  there is no excusing this kitten .     


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:02 PM

Can someone here confirmed that Kishi said he originally wanted Hinata to become the heroine in the 2010 Jump Festa? Is it true?

Not sure if that's the right one but it was said that he wanted to have Sakura more heroine role because they say, "Hinata, Hinata" and he said, "She's not Hinata."

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:13 PM

Not sure if that's the right one but it was said that he wanted to have Sakura more heroine role because they say, "Hinata, Hinata" and he said, "She's not Hinata."

 

Thank you and may I asked. Wasn't it that same interview that Kishi defended Sakura's character. And he confirmed that he was getting hate mails from NH and SStards and he was pissed off about it?


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:13 PM

Not sure if that's the right one but it was said that he wanted to have Sakura more heroine role because they say, "Hinata, Hinata" and he said, "She's not Hinata."

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:13 PM

You guys may've already hear about this, but I was on theNaruto wiki, I go there to occassionall see what's new and Some things regarding the o-so ever great protagonist of Naruto   Sasuke, a summary on what his novel will be about: 

 

 

Summary:  Set shortly after the death of ItachiSasuke Uchiha journeys to Howling Wolf Village, where Itachi's eye medicine was produced. There, he meets Reishi and Kina, two local brothers with whom Itachi was acquainted, and tries to learn more about his brother's motivations while helping the two battle shinobi from a rival clan and a wolf-like beast from local legend.

 

 

My answer to this is what's the point behind a novel happening after Itachi's death. There's literally no point. I guess it's all about the money these days.  


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:14 PM

 
Thank you and may I asked. Wasn't it that same interview that Kishi defended Sakura's character. And he confirmed that he was getting hate mails from NH and SStards and he was pissed off about it?

The same one, though I don't know he said all that last part. However, he pretty much said indirectly, like no mention names, and point out "Hinata".

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:15 PM

You guys may've already hear about this, but I was on theNaruto wiki, I go there to occassionall see what's new and Some things regarding the o-so ever great protagonist of Naruto   Sasuke, a summary on what his novel will be about: 
 
 
Summary:  Set shortly after the death of ItachiSasuke Uchiha journeys to Howling Wolf Village, where Itachi's eye medicine was produced. There, he meets Reishi and Kina, two local brothers with whom Itachi was acquainted, and tries to learn more about his brother's motivations while helping the two battle shinobi from a rival clan and a wolf-like beast from local legend.
 
 
My answer to this is what's the point behind a novel happening after Itachi's death. There's literally no point. I guess it's all about the money these days.  

That's an old novel. True, what is the point but hey, money.

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:26 PM

On mobile so I can't reall quote, but tricksie is killing it. I think it's appal Sasuke visits the Uzumaki shrine and not Naruto. The Uzumaki, in general, get screwed. And I wholeheartedly agree that Kishi lost sight of his main character. Part II, directly or indirectly, is always about Sasuke.


yeah , sasuke was the one moving the plot at times it felt he was more protagonist than naruto

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:28 PM

That's an old novel. True, what is the point but hey, money.

 

I know it just insults me as an new upcoming author to see kitten like this happen. I still remember prior the 699 and 700 I was gonna give Kishi acknowledgement for inspiring me to become an author as with others like Hajime Isayama, Seishi Kishimoto, Tite Kubo, Rick Riordan, Karen Tarviss, etc. Now I'm not even convinced I'll mention Kishi's name in my acknowledgments page.  


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:30 PM

Here's what I don't get:

People hate hate hate on tsundere in Naruto, basically in general, but they're ok for others or whatever. I mean FMA is like top 5 yet that has it. So what the kitten. You know what I like to believe. I believe Naruto has way too many casual people that don't know a thing or two of anime/manga, because I sure don't hear kitten about any other series. Why? Because they're for us hardcore fans and know how the story works. We know standards. But here they are, kittening things that probably translate to the other series, even the older ones. Don't get your stupidity on TG. Thank God it's a mystery genre in a way to make your brain say, "Well kitten, too much thinking. I'll leave now." Just go to any other series that make you say, "Well kitten. Tsundere love is everywhere and we topped them in the website like FMA. Let's hate on it." Or maybe just go back to Naruto, so you can realize how much he f**cked up.

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totally agree with you here ! You can recognize them when they say "Sakura always hit Naruto she's so meaaaan" ...

oh God. Have you ever heard of a Tsundere character ?! 

That's why I think I'm done with most of  Shonen mangas, too much stupid and immature fans who don't know a thing about mangas...


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 09:35 PM

totally agree with you here ! You can recognize them when they say "Sakura always hit Naruto she's so meaaaan" ...
oh God. Have you ever heard of a Tsundere character ?! 
That's why I think I'm done with most of  Shonen mangas, too much stupid and immature fans who don't know a thing about mangas...

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