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#9461 luffyq1

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For plot? What sense of intrigue would there be if it was resolved already. We already know that authors like to keep this kind of storyline open until the very end. Why on earth is this surprising to you?


The intrigue is long gone because Kishi felt the need to make Sakura hold on to a love that makes no sense, and on top of that he's giving her plenty of reasons to stop loving this guy romantically, yet she doesn't. If murder attempts, death threats, and insults don't seem to work, what will? I think it's about as stretched out enough as it is already.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm confused do you think NS has a chance or not? You sound pretty confident it will definitely not happen. I could very well say that NS will happen because Naruto is in love with Sakura, but just because someone is in love with anyone it's not enough to claim it will be like that until the end.


I think NS is going to come out on top. But it will be some illogical BS that will make it happen most likely. Kishi has dug himself a big hole when it comes to Sakura's love for Sasuke, which taints in the canonization of NS.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I could very well say: What exactly is the point of Naruto enduring everything he goes through with Sakura if it's hopeless in the end?


Most of the stuff Naruto goes through with Sakura is mainly Sasuke related. Like brining him back, not trying to win her heart. He doesn't expect her love, and she certainly isn't obligated to love him back.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You line of thinking will only make you go in circles since it can be applied to Naruto as well.


I would be going in circles if I actually did apply it to Naruto. Naruto's nindo is the reason why he hasn't given up on Sasuke, even after all the BS he's done. People who actually think Naruto is going to give up on Sasuke should re-read the manga to understand his character better.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 30 2013, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The intrigue is long gone because Kishi felt the need to make Sakura hold on to a love that makes no sense, and on top of that he's giving her plenty of reasons to stop loving this guy romantically, yet she doesn't. If murder attempts, death threats, and insults don't seem to work, what will? I think it's about as stretched out enough as it is already.

So what bothers you is that when NaruSaku happen it's resolution will not satisfy the expectations you personally placed on it, right?

I suppose I understand what you're trying to say. I'm not as bothered about it as you might be but I completely understand why you would feel disappointed about it. I can't really help you there. You'll just have to hope that Kishi does solves it in a way that will not be as bad as you feared.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what bothers you is that when NaruSaku happen it's resolution will not satisfy the expectations you personally placed on it, right?


Exactly!

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
suppose I understand what you're trying to say. I'm not as bothered about it as you might be but I completely understand why you would feel disappointed about it. I can't really help you there. You'll just have to hope that Kishi does solves it in a way that will not be as bad as you feared.


Guess I should start praying then.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 30 2013, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The intrigue is long gone because Kishi felt the need to make Sakura hold on to a love that makes no sense, and on top of that he's giving her plenty of reasons to stop loving this guy romantically, yet she doesn't. If murder attempts, death threats, and insults don't seem to work, what will? I think it's about as stretched out enough as it is already.

Yeah, but the problem is fanservice, i'd say that pairing often crack up an story look at Obito the most reasonable way for Obito to accept Naruto's resolution is Sakura dying and Naruto choosing a different path than Obito then he accept he is wrong and do the edo tensei.
But then he will do this?
It's clearly that he will not because he cant, he will not piss off the NH fans and neither will piss off the NS fans holding this to the end.

We all thought Sakura moved on from Sasuke when he tried to kill her but then we got 540 showing she still has feelings for Sasuke.

Just look everytime we have a NS or NH scene there's always a push back, Hinata's confession then shortly after he draw a panel that Naruto loves Sakura which is reasonable.
In the end of that arc we got a NS scene and a mini-arc with Sakura Naruto and Sasuke as the main casters, we have Sakura doing everything for Naruto there, and showing how much she "loves" naruto to a point that she was willing to lift his burden and makes Naruto hate her.
but still we got a huge "hold on" on 540.

615 is a clear example of this that was the moment that NH could happen then 616 was a huge setback for NH it made 615 for nothing.

So going though this logic luffy which is some aspect is the same as mine the thing is that:
he did bs with all the pairings, NS, NH , SS.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 30 January 2013 - 01:20 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:03 PM

This video from Tokyokit explains the difference between a naruto and a menma inside the ramen. The interesting thing is that the pink pattern of the naruto is shaped like a sakura flower.



Makes you wonder if the naruto having pink actually means anything. The funny part is that when someone pointed out the pink in connection to Sakura a couple of NaruHina fans didn't waste time to bash the comment. I sometimes wonder if people that bash just do it because they secretly feel threatened that the other person might be right. I guess that's why a lot of people downplay the parallels by calling them "para-lols" and think they are stupid. Yet in this latest chapter Kishi proves once again that he has a parallel fetish.

If I apply it to pairings I could say that Kishi has notably kept Naruto and Sakura from interacting just as he has kept apart Sasuke and Karin. Those two pairs fell apart during the Summit arc and it seems Kishi is purposely delaying their resolution for as long as he can.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

That is very funny, the ones who protest act like this is the only "evidence" we've got. I just had to comment too, oh sometimes I can't help myself. rolleyes.gif Let's just say that I think they would've agreed if it wasn't about Naruto and Sakura. I mean, the whole video was about who the characters are in a ramen bowl.

Edited by sushi., 30 January 2013 - 08:17 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

Did you remember that famous interview from Kishi in the special DVD about the volume of Road to Ninja, right?

TaKl from NF said an interesting thing:

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in the vol of shinobi which came with vol 61 (up to #587)
kish says
the things that has been foreshadowed so far will take shape all at once. as various charas will come out and an incredible incident will occur.


an incredible incident will occur... I wonder what he was talking about huh.gif

Curious that he said the things that has bee foreshadowed so far will take shape all at once...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 30 2013, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you remember that famous interview from Kishi in the special DVD about the volume of Road to Ninja, right?

TaKl from NF said an interesting thing:



an incredible incident will occur... I wonder what he was talking about huh.gif

Curious that he said the things that has bee foreshadowed so far will take shape all at once...

Yeah already said that, it could mean a meeting of sakura with narutos parents or at least father. I could really imagine something like that.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 30 2013, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you remember that famous interview from Kishi in the special DVD about the volume of Road to Ninja, right?

TaKl from NF said an interesting thing:



an incredible incident will occur... I wonder what he was talking about huh.gif

Curious that he said the things that has bee foreshadowed so far will take shape all at once...

Even talking about the foreshadowing, he comments with foreshadowing in his talks laugh.gif
Well, he can't say too much as a writer.

Edited by T XD, 30 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 30 2013, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you remember that famous interview from Kishi in the special DVD about the volume of Road to Ninja, right?

TaKl from NF said an interesting thing:



an incredible incident will occur... I wonder what he was talking about huh.gif

Curious that he said the things that has bee foreshadowed so far will take shape all at once...

Maybe the incident might've been the Tobito reveal, although he made reference to that in another interview so that's probably not it. The revival of the Hokages? The death of Neji? Hinata finally growing a pair? When you think about it a lot of incredible things have happened recently.

As far as what's foreshadowed I think we're all probably hoping that some part of it has to do with all the NS hints displayed in the manga.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

or maybe rin's death due to Kakashi... I don't believe that's something who regarding NS... too optimistic... asd

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe the incident might've been the Tobito reveal, although he made reference to that in another interview so that's probably not it. The revival of the Hokages? The death of Neji? Hinata finally growing a pair? When you think about it a lot of incredible things have happened recently.

As far as what's foreshadowed I think we're all probably hoping that some part of it has to do with all the NS hints displayed in the manga.

Kushina already hinted very obviously at NS, let's hope Minato does too! biggrin.gif

btw, I think this "incredible event" will be a positive one. Neji's death was sad, not incredible. The Kage revival was epic, not incredible. As for Hinata, I don't care enough to find anything incredible about her, but that's so bias that Kishi might not think the same. I think he does though. laugh.gif

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe the incident might've been the Tobito reveal, although he made reference to that in another interview so that's probably not it. The revival of the Hokages? The death of Neji? Hinata finally growing a pair? When you think about it a lot of incredible things have happened recently.

As far as what's foreshadowed I think we're all probably hoping that some part of it has to do with all the NS hints displayed in the manga.


Exactly. It could be any number of things. Personally, I doubt it has anything to do with NS.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

Kakashi killing Rin is a incredible incident yet...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

Guys, guys, I wasn't implying the incredible incident had anything to do with NS, I was referring to the foreshadowing.

Kishi said that many things he foreshadowed will come into place and then he added about an incredible incident also happening. NaruSaku is the very definition of a pairing that will happen based on foreshadowing so I was thinking that it could be one of the many things Kishi mentioned that will come into place, not the only thing.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

you know what would be sick if Revived Minato kills sakura tongue.gif that would be sick

but i think (an incredible incident will occur) is neji

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, I wondered about that a while ago. *if the Pink in Naruto meant anything*

I mean, I doubt it is, but if Kishi made that connection, I wouldn't mind. 8p

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Jan 30 2013, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you know what would be sick if Revived Minato kills sakura tongue.gif that would be sick

but i think (an incredible incident will occur) is neji


Omg why would you want narutos dad to kill narutos love!? Thats so messed up D:


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

i know right i mean if that happens the kishi has really done it sad.gif ultimate sadness and obito would say bro thats messed up:P

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

Can't wait for rtn. Idc if it's raw, I'm still going to watch.

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