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[RedFaction]

One of the more interesting things to me is that in light of Kishi utterly destroying every aspect of his story with the ending is that it gave a green light for writers to create the Naruto world anew in their own image, instead of trying to stick closely to the canon. The ending shed light on the fact that Kishi was a great window dresser, from the outside it looks like he established this fantastic looking world. But if you take a closer look, there were so many inconsistencies and glaring holes underneath the surface. Take for instance the 5 villages. We're any of them outside of Konoha remotely relevant? What about their leaders? Outside of Gaara and Tsunade, what did Ay, Ohnoki, and Mei actually do? What were their roles? Ohnoki briefly got a small amour of depth, but for the most part, the political relations amongst the villages were just glossed over. What about the history of the Shinobi world? What actually happened during the wars? We have tidbits here and there, as well as prominent figures, but the wars themselves were just glossed over as well. We never get a reason for why the nations were in a struggle, nor what interests were being fought over, we just are asked to accept that certain problems exist.

What about internal politics? Were still not entirely sure how the leaf operated, we just had a vague idea. What about relationships? One of the things i lamented about the war arc as it moved on is that Naruto and Hashirama never once interacted. Really? Forget about the reincarnation crap, Naruto and Hashirama were kindred spirits even without that. Naruto and Hashirama were so alike, so good and pure, but they don't even talk? Naruto is the torch bearer for Hashirama's ideals, and Hashirama doesn't even face him, give him word of encouragement, a pat on the back, a hand ruffling his hair, or even a simple "I'm proud of you." Naruto doesn't even get one word, yet Sasuke gets to have a talk with the God of Shinobi himself? Sasuke was going to destroy everything Hashirama stood for, yet Naruto, the one whose dream it was to surpass everything Hashirama and his successors ever dreamed of gets shunned to the side? Ridiculous.

If anything, as a writer and a reader, Kishi's spectacular implosion of his world has helped make me gain even more of a critical eye towards other works as well as my own. I've been able to look at other works like OP and TG and appreciate the complexity and depth of their worlds, as Naruto lacked that depth and complexity. I've had so many new ideas on how to improve on the world and the way it's built in my fic, so I guess that's a plus for this miserable ending, I just have to find the motivation to write lol

It's pretty obvious that some fans have put more thought and care into the series than Kishimoto and his editors have. I think part 1 did a much better job of building the world and giving it depth, but part 2 really failed to do that in comparison. However, I expect part 3 to be even worse if that's actually possible.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 March 2015 - 07:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's pretty obvious that some fans have put more thought and care into the series than Kishimoto and his editors have. I think part 1 did a much better job of building the world and giving it depth, but part 2 really failed to do that in comparison. However, I expect part 3 to be even worse if that's actually possible.

Exactly.

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[Namikaze Clan]

 
He's not neglected because he was and school and Himawawa was at home. He's neglected because his demeanor is either attention seeking through bad behavior or sullen. That didn't start because of one day at school. That started with his parents. Both of them.
 
It's hard to imagine Naruto being that way if even one parent had survived. But little Burrito has both parents, and their the top dogs in the village. Hokage and clan princess. Bolt has everything Naruto didn't.
 
I realize they are trying to set this up to be something to address in Part 3, where Naruto and Bolt both have to grow, but really it only makes all the characters involved look really, really bad. Bolt is a brat. Naruto didn't learn his lesson from his childhood and instead has become what he hated most when he was growing up. And judging by Bolt's behavior, you could say Hinata has fallen in line with her family values growing up she has picked a favorite and she spends no time with the one that doesn't hold her interest. Just like her father did with her. So she's grown up to be just like him. (Which doesn't really matter to her anyway. Neji was the one who railed against her dad and the clan system. Not Hinata. All she ever wanted was her dad's attention, then Naruto's. She needs a therapist, is what she needs.)
 
Anyway, I'm curious to see how Part 3 turns out and what new nonsense they can wrap into the story. Seriously, all bets are off. The story has gone so completely off the rails that, like Sakura, nothing would surprise me now.

I'm sorry, but I think you're looking way too into it. There's nothing to imply that Hinata is playing favorites with her children or that she neglects her son. Bolt's feelings of resentment and neglect are directed towards his father as far as we know. We won't even know about his feelings towards his mother until the movie and spin off.

[RedFaction]

I'm sorry, but I think you're looking way too into it. There's nothing to imply that Hinata is playing favorites with her children or that she neglects her son. Bolt's feelings of resentment and neglect are directed towards his father as far as we know. We won't even know about his feelings towards his mother until the movie and spin off.

If Hinata really cares about Bolt, and his wishes to spend more time with his dad, then she should be talking to Naruto about it. I think it's quite clear that she isn't doing anything about the situation to help resolve it. Really it's as simple as this, either she doesn't care or she's completely oblivious. Both are very possible because we know how Hinata is with her own family and everyone else who isn't Naruto.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 March 2015 - 07:53 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Whatever it is, it's no excuse for Bolt and Naruto event.

[Namikaze Clan]

If Hinata really cares about Bolt, and his wishes to spend more time with his dad, then she should be talking to Naruto about it. I think it's quite clear that she isn't doing anything about the situation to help resolve it. Really it's as simple as this, either she doesn't care or she's completely oblivious. Both are very possible as we know how Hinata is with her own family and everyone else who isn't Naruto.

To be fair, we don't even know her's or Himawari's feelings on the matter. They could be just as frustrated as Bolt is. Hinata could be trying to talk with Naruto, but he refuses to listen. We have to wait for the film and spin off so we can know more about the situation

Edited by Namikaze Clan, 11 March 2015 - 07:58 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Or maybe we shouldn't worry because she will be ignored as Bolt will steal all the spotlight.

[AHK]

To be fair, we don't even know her's or Himawari's feelings on the matter. They could be just as frustrated as Bolt is. Hinata could be trying to talk with Naruto, but he refuses to listen. We have to wait for the film and spin off so we can know more about the situation

You're putting your money on Hinata actually paying attention to someone else's feelings?

[RedFaction]

To be fair, we don't even know her's or Himawari's feelings on the matter. They could be just as frustrated as Bolt is. Hinata could be trying to talk with Naruto, but he refuses to listen. We have to wait for the film and spin off so we can know more about the situation

True that's a possiblity I suppose, though seems unlikely Hinata would do that. But if that happens that makes Naruto look even worse if he's not listening to his own wife, who he is totally in love with according to the movie, so I don't know if it's a good idea to go that way. If anything there's one thing that we're certain of, before part 3 comes out, is that Naruto is a sh*tty father.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 March 2015 - 08:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

When you think about it, the series is pretty selective reading.

[FireFox]

Why should we wait for a spin of to explain us this when the manga ends with 700 !?  The spin of is trivial it literary means kitten except more money the spin of will never justify what happened at the end of the Naruto manga the original work it can only retcon its ending  . Such kitten shouldn't have happened at all let alone explain it in a " spin of "  there is difference between a " spin of " and the "original work"  the end of Naruto is what we see in 700 and Hinata is basically doing nothing , they can even add her fighting space pirate ninjas  that would amount to nothing but fanservice and retcon the original story and the ending even more .  There is no point in seeking an explanation  for this kitten in the "spin of" , I don't know why you people even bother with it LOL XD .   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 11 March 2015 - 08:07 PM.

[Swagkura]

I don't think Hinata is exactly playing favorites with her children, but I honestly do believe that if she had any kind of importance to Duracell, he wouldn't be as much of a brat as he is in chapter 700.

[RedFaction]

Why should we wait for a spin of to explain us this when the manga ends with 700 !?  The spin of is trivial it literary means kitten except more money the spin of will never justify what happened at the end of the Naruto manga the original work it can only retcon its ending  . Such kitten shouldn't have happened at all let alone explain it in a " spin of "  there is difference between a " spin of " and the "original work"  the end of Naruto is what we see in 700 and Hinata is basically doing nothing , they can even add her fighting space pirate ninjas  that would amount to nothing but fanservice and retcon the original story even more .  There is no point in seeking an explanation for this kitten , I don't know why you people even bother with it LOL XD .   

Yeah you're totally right. There's no logic to be had here anymore. All we know is that at the end of the series Naruto is a terrible father, his wife is doing nothing at all except knitting scarves, his son is a brat, and his daughter is so bland and insignficant she might as well not exist just like her mother.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 March 2015 - 08:11 PM.

[tricksie]

One of the more interesting things to me is that in light of Kishi utterly destroying every aspect of his story with the ending is that it gave a green light for writers to create the Naruto world anew in their own image, instead of trying to stick closely to the canon. The ending shed light on the fact that Kishi was a great window dresser, from the outside it looks like he established this fantastic looking world. But if you take a closer look, there were so many inconsistencies and glaring holes underneath the surface. Take for instance the 5 villages. Were any of them outside of Konoha remotely relevant? What about their leaders? Outside of Gaara and Tsunade, what did Ay, Ohnoki, and Mei actually do? What were their roles? Ohnoki briefly got a small amount of depth, but for the most part, the political relations amongst the villages were just glossed over. What about the history of the Shinobi world? What actually happened during the wars? We have tidbits here and there, as well as prominent figures, but the wars themselves were just glossed over as well. We never get a reason for why the nations were in a struggle, nor what interests were being fought over, we just are asked to accept that certain problems exist.

What about internal politics? Were still not entirely sure how the leaf operated, we just had a vague idea. What about relationships? One of the things i lamented about the war arc as it moved on is that Naruto and Hashirama never once interacted. Really? Forget about the reincarnation crap, Naruto and Hashirama were kindred spirits even without that. Naruto and Hashirama were so alike, so good and pure, but they don't even talk? Naruto is the torch bearer for Hashirama's ideals, and Hashirama doesn't even face him, give him word of encouragement, a pat on the back, a hand ruffling his hair, or even a simple "I'm proud of you." Naruto doesn't even get one word, yet Sasuke gets to have a talk with the God of Shinobi himself? Sasuke was going to destroy everything Hashirama stood for, yet Naruto, the one whose dream it was to surpass everything Hashirama and his successors ever dreamed of gets shunned to the side? Ridiculous.

If anything, as a writer and a reader, Kishi's spectacular implosion of his world has helped make me gain even more of a critical eye towards other works as well as my own. I've been able to look at other works like OP and TG and appreciate the complexity and depth of their worlds, as Naruto lacked that depth and complexity. I've had so many new ideas on how to improve on the world and the way it's built in my fic, so I guess that's a plus for this miserable ending, I just have to find the motivation to write lol

 

 

So true!! Kishimoto simply didn't deliver!! He had all these theme, but in the end he fell back on Sasuke, the golden boy, to carry the story. I wonder if, in the end, Kishimoto just didn't understand his main character anymore. Kishi really gravitated toward these flawed character, but he forced himself to make Naruto without flaw. A perfect cookie-cutter hero. Kishi wouldn't truly test him or make him doubt himself or cast any shade on his storyline. Instead he made Sasuke be the driver of the story.

 

Sasuke was the one everyone wondered about, waited on his decision. Sasuke was the one who got pats on the back from Itachi, got to chat with the other Kages, and even got to go to Naruto's secret family compound that, hello, no one has even bothered to tell Naruto about!! Yeah, the story just moves around Naruto. I think this is where Kishimoto fails deeply as a writer. He forgot who the main character was. 

 

And yes, yes, yes to your thoughts about the extended universe of Naruto. Why didn't any of that get developed? It would have been awesome. And worse, it was right there for the taking. But instead of making an actual subplot after the Pain arc, it became like Dancing with the Stars, Ninja Edition, with a new baddie/hero combo taking the spotlight to fight out their problems before the next one took their place. 

 

(I've written a blurb of how I think the Last movie should have gone, in a way that would have stayed true to the original story. As if I were the staff writer tasked with coming up with a creative finale to the series. It would focus on Naruto and Sasuke, with both of them being the last in the line for things their family laid out for them: Naruto as the last jinchuriki, Sasuke as the last Uchiha. I'll post it here in a little while. Still needs some tweaking at the end. But it's along the same lines of what you're talking about.)

 

There was so much more to be explored. So many themes that could have been used. And when you think that they went with Sasuke and Hinata...it's just so ridiculous. Like Kishimoto wanted his cash, and he farmed the rest out to teams who have such a dim view of women and audiences that they only know how to wrap it up like it's really bad fanfiction.

[FireFox]

Yeah you're totally right. There's no logic to be had here anymore. All we know is that at the end of the series Naruto is a terrible father, his wife is doing nothing at all except knitting scarves, his son is a brat, and his daughter is so bland and insignficant she might as well not exist just like her mother.

And that is the ending of Naruto and his family sign . The point what I was trying make is that as readers  we shouldn't wait for spin of to explain the "ending" of the original work  the same with the movie then that's not an ending. That for an author and his story is basically Literature Assassination its downright ridiculous and stupid  its betrayal to the original story  bc it only tells you that the whole story means kitten  and has no purpose . Its so kittening stupid that I don't even want to bother explaining it anymore LOL .

[DeathGodMack]

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[NarutoUzumaki01]

Anything New?

No.

[LuckyChi7]

I overheard someone at work wanting to see a Hinata vs Whitebeard fight, and my response to this was Whitebeard would wipe the floor with Hinata guarantee considering with what he could do. 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 11 March 2015 - 08:26 PM.

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I overheard someone at work wanting to see a Hinata vs Whitebeard fight, and my response to this was Whitebeard would wipe the floor with Hinata guarantee considering with what he could do.