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[deviouslyChaotic]

Oh ok. Thanks for the heads up on the blacklist. Also, I understand what you mean but I just follow that I have made friends in here or elsewhere, not because they just share same interest. I respect them, but got to know a person first before anything else. Thanks for telling me. :)

You're welcome :). That's actually a good way to narrow down the blogs you follow as well as a good way of keeping your blog a little more personable(if that makes sense?). I first wanted to be a "fandom" blog, but then kind of drifted to a huge clusterf*ck of things I think are cool, funny, things that I like blog so I mostly follow people if I like the majority of the stuff they post so I can reblog their stuff. That and I automatically follow people I know in real life haha.

 

[Sorry for clogging up the debate thread guys!  ]

[TouKen4Life3g]

You're welcome :). That's actually a good way to narrow down the blogs you follow as well as a good way of keeping your blog a little more personable(if that makes sense?). I first wanted to be a "fandom" blog, but then kind of drifted to a huge clusterf*ck of things I think are cool, funny, things that I like blog so I mostly follow people if I like the majority of the stuff they post so I can reblog their stuff. That and I automatically follow people I know in real life haha.

 

[Sorry for clogging up the debate thread guys!  ]

I see. Lol. Well, I open it because I kind of want to use it as spread the word on my take on stuff. Most of all, I want to use it as a compile of reviews for different materials. That said how do you pile up the posts into one folder or whatever? Is there a way? Btw, I'm just digging for some old LAP, so expect that Sakura LAP I made.

 

Edit: On second thought, I know which one to post.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 October 2013 - 05:36 AM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I see. Lol. Well, I open it because I kind of want to use it as spread the word on my take on stuff. Most of all, I want to use it as a compile of reviews for different materials. That said how do you pile up the posts into one folder or whatever? Is there a way? Btw, I'm just digging for some old LAP, so expect that Sakura LAP I made.

That's a very good reason to have a Tumblr. Uhh... I don't think you can. At least, not that I know of. However, you can tag your posts as "review" "chapter review" (note that your posts don't have to be solely tagged as this for this trick to work) or whatnot and then make a taglist on your blog so your followers can easily navigate to certain posts that share the same tag. I think that's the closest you can get to a folder of some sort.

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 05 October 2013 - 05:36 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's a very good reason to have a Tumblr. Uhh... I don't think you can. At least, not that I know of. However, you can tag your posts as "review" "chapter review" (note that your posts don't have to be solely tagged as this for this trick to work) or whatnot and then make a taglist on your blog so your followers can easily navigate to certain posts that share the same tag. I think that's the closest you can get to a folder of some sort.

Well, I got to research on secondary blog. That does sound like one way, but someone here please tell me if there's a compile tool or not. Thank you.

 

Well, I got another idea to post.

[redragon88]

@morgaine4

 

Don't worry, I understand what you're trying to say. I wasn't implying you hated NS before 631, just curious about why that chapter made you like it more.

 

I always thought that liking a couple and shipping them were the same. Not sure if I even understand the difference still.

 

By the way I know Nala and Simba (Lion King is my favorite childhood movie), but I really have no idea who the rest of those couples are.

[KnS]

I always thought that liking a couple and shipping them were the same. Not sure if I even understand the difference still.

 

Me either.  

 

Morgaine4, would you be willing to expand on the difference?  I'm just curious.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Me either.  

 

Morgaine4, would you be willing to expand on the difference?  I'm just curious.

I can like a pairing, but I don't ship them. It's like the stages of like, at least in my opinion. In my tumblr post (cheap plug-in lol), I stated that I like the pairing when Gaara's fight happened, but the KN4 incident made me a shipper. That said it's like "I don't like you like you. I just like you," when it comes to other pairings. I like NaLu for example, but I don't ship it. I will be happy if it becomes canon, but that's about it. NaruSaku will be like the end of Star Wars original trilogy ending, Lord of the Ring ending, and all the most grand victory ending you can think of from any media combined. That's my reaction. Morgaine4 will explain better, so I leave it at that. I need to sleep. Goodnight.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 October 2013 - 06:33 AM.

[morgaine4]

I don't know if it's an actual difference, or if it's just my strange opinion of mine, but to me shipping is different in terms of the intensity of feelings one feels for a relationship.  Like, prior to that exchange I was OK with NS out of NS, SS, NH I preferred NS (well, I hated the other two), but I was more indifferent to them.  If I participated in pairing debates, I'd defend the inevitability of NS (and the fact that MK parallels NS), but I didn't enjoy the couple enough to call myself a fan or a shipper.  I think, when shipping a couple it's not about a preference, or even about whether the couple is endgame or "canonized," it's about how much one likes the couple, and in the way one likes the couple.  I loved Charlie and Claire on LOST, but I didn't search out fanfics, I didn't spend time analyzing their interactions (the way I've come to analyze NS), I probably only searched mvids of the couple once or twice .  I loved the couple, but not in the same way?  I'm not explaining it very well, am I?  I guess, to me, it's about how active and expressive one becomes because of how much one likes a couple.  I mean, my growing affection for NS is resulting in a reduced love for my crack-head-canon that involves Naruto in a political marriage of convenience with Konan/Konan and Nagato's (through Tendo Pain) love child, despite the fact that he was romantically torn over Sakura, Sasuke, and Gaara.  So I guess that's a big deal.  And, for me particularly, with some fandoms like XWP, I might like a lot of different relationships pretty intensely but I just don't consider myself a shipper unless it's "I just ship almost everything."

 

As to the couples I meantioned:  Parker and Hardison from Leverage, Phedre and Joscelin from Jacquelin Carey's first two Terre d'Ange trilogies (they're mainly in the first trilogy and are side characters in the 2nd), and Roja and Rishikumar from the Tamizh film Roja (I'm just really sentimental about this film).

[Darkness]

 

 

Me either.   

 

Morgaine4, would you be willing to expand on the difference?  I'm just curious.

 

Pretty much I agree with 4life. I'm a neophyte NS shipper. I actually didn't "ship" it until very recently, I just supported the couple because since chapter 3 it was already obvious, at least to me, that NS was going to be the canon pairing. But now I can say that I went from believing it would happen, which would still make me happy, to actually want it to happen. But in the end it just comes down to the feeling intensity or different points of view about the same subject. Meh... I don't know if I made myself clear but I'm not thinking very straight right now since I'm a little drunk. Anyway, night folks. I also think probably Morgaine will explain it better. 

 

Quick edit: Oh look, she did ^. Now I need to crash. Massive Headache is... massive.

Edited by Darkness, 05 October 2013 - 07:24 AM.

[Hiraishin]

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

Thinking about what Sakura might be thinking makes my head hurt. 

Kishi has a messed up idea of a realistic girl, lol. 

 

some kushina talk that's sort of irrelevant meow

@morgaine4, to be fair, when Kushina was talking about how she said her dream was to become Hokage, she said that she said it because she wanted to impress everyone. To me, that made it seem like that's not really what she wanted to be what she grew up; well, maybe that she would like to be Hokage, but the main reason she said it was to impress everyone. Maybe, once she really got to know Minato, she realised that being Hokage was a true dream of Minato's, so she sorta stepped down and supported him instead. Also, like you said one of her main purposes (along with showing Naruto what parental love is, and explaining what all happened the night the Kyuubi attacked) was establishing the NS/MK parallel, being a simplified version of Sakura (and MK's love story being a really simplified version of NS's). Personally, I think it's perfectly reasonable for Naruto's father to be more expanded upon than his mother. Minato was the Fourth Hokage, a position that Naruto also desires, was Kakashi's (and also OBITO's) sensei, and was the hero of the Third Shinobi World War. And yeah he's a male so that automatically makes him more important lmao. Overall, I think there's plenty of rational reasons as to why we were given more information about Minato than Kushina—he's simply more relevant.

 

Sorry, I know you already explained yourself and you said that ultimately it didn't bother you, I just wanted to get my thoughts down, so you can just ignore this.   

 

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One thing I want to say about that moment at the end of 631—I saw SS shippers (and yeah, even NH shippers) giving Naruto kitten for telling Sakura to rest—saying that Naruto was telling her to "get back in the kitchen."  Ugh, sorry, but that REALLY irked me. He was just telling her to effin' rest, and I found that perfectly reasonable—she was fighting and healing countless people nonstop for like two days, and had just finished up healing Naruto from an exhausted state back to 100%, and also had NO idea about the Byakugou Seal of hers. Like, kitten, what do you want from him? So many times I've seen outright antipathy for Naruto from the SS fandom, saying Naruto treats her like a baby (???) and praise Sasuke for "telling her like it is"! Tough love! Like hell they get mad because Naruto is protective of her (a common trope in shounen manga—it's not like he does it in a suffocating way, anyway), and it's like they try to find reasons why Sasuke is better for her. :\ urgh it annoys me

 

Something else I just want to add: earlier on Tumblr I saw a SS shipper reblog something that said, "You think you can know a person's feelings by memorizing a few lines of a psychology book?" and in the tags talked about how that's a big middle finger to "Sai's 'even i can tell that he really loves you!!' bullsh**". I swear some people just completely miss the point of that scene and Sai's entire character.  It makes me want to type up a damn essay on the whole thing.

 

This post was like one big rant, haha...   Sorry.

[Hanabi]

Oh god, durian is just awful. My punishment from my girlfriend. Sakura should do that to Naruto. But hell, anime Sakura food I rather eat. This food is god awful. Waiting for her now, but good god it's awful.

i dont like durian either. once i read a newspaper article on how a company evacuated the employees thinking it was a gas leak. but it was the just the pungent smell of durians coming through the air vents, from the warehouse next door xD

Edited by Hanabi, 05 October 2013 - 09:01 AM.

[rocci]

Muahahaha, durian owning.

So will this war arc end in this volume or in the next volume.

[T XD]

Muahahaha, durian owning.

So will this war arc end in this volume or in the next volume.

For now, I think in this volume. But, it might very well be in the next volume cause Madara can take few more chapters to be taken down if he wasn't taken down with Obito or maybe something else happened.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2013 - 11:48 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

i dont like durian either. once i read a newspaper article on how a company evacuated the employees thinking it was a gas leak. but it was the just the pungent smell of durians coming through the air vents, from the warehouse next door xD

Wow, that's some story. Actually, I heard there's a sign in signapore of no durian in the trainride because of its smell. If you ever smell it, it's awful. You can like the food but that smell is no doubt terrible.

Muahahaha, durian owning.

So will this war arc end in this volume or in the next volume.

This volume. For now. No, not because of Madara. Honestly, if the plan fails, he got no business to be there anymore since they can just seal him easily. Heck, Sasuke said it easily that they just have to seal him and ta-da, it's over. It's Obito that made the whole situation much harder. If Obito goes down with the Juubi, Madara should either run or submit.

Actually, I have been thinking that Madara could in fact fall to Orochimaru's hand. Let's not forget, this guy is actually crafty and I wouldn't be surprised to make him into his well you know. I mean he does have rinnengan and Hashirama's body so something to think about. Basically, Madara could have a different role altogether, waiting for the war to end. Let's say they seal Madara and Orochimaru decides to take it, but others don't know if they should trust him on leaving Madara to him. Then the rest can go anywhere.

I just don't see him to be in this arc, only a bystander for a different reason. Plus, he literally has no connections. Just the past. Let's not forget Naruto is at his limit and the hype they left in the last chapter is all or nothing. Meaning this is it. The Mass Effect 3 finale. Lord of the Ring finale. Avatar finale. This is it. Otherwise, circle much?

[T XD]

Wow, that's some story. Actually, I heard there's a sign in signapore of no durian in the trainride because of its smell. If you ever smell it, it's awful. You can like the food but that smell is no doubt terrible.

This volume. For now. No, not because of Madara. Honestly, if the plan fails, he got no business to be there anymore since they can just seal him easily. Heck, Sasuke said it easily that they just have to seal him and ta-da, it's over. It's Obito that made the whole situation much harder. If Obito goes down with the Juubi, Madara should either run or submit.

Actually, I have been thinking that Madara could in fact fall to Orochimaru's hand. Let's not forget, this guy is actually crafty and I wouldn't be surprised to make him into his well you know. I mean he does have rinnengan and Hashirama's body so something to think about. Basically, Madara could have a different role altogether, waiting for the war to end. Let's say they seal Madara and Orochimaru decides to take it, but others don't know if they should trust him on leaving Madara to him. Then the rest can go anywhere.

I just don't see him to be in this arc, only a bystander for a different reason. Plus, he literally has no connections. Just the past. Let's not forget Naruto is at his limit and the hype they left in the last chapter is all or nothing. Meaning this is it. The Mass Effect 3 finale. Lord of the Ring finale. Avatar finale. This is it. Otherwise, circle much?

About Orochimaru, do you mean taking control of Madara or have Madara's power ? Either way, I don't think Orochimaru will strive for more power. He's shown to just be on Sasuke's side and help him. Except maybe for a fight against one of Team 7 in the final fight. He has his thoughts, thoughts of what will Sasuke do.

 

If Orochimaru will control Madara or took Madara's power then this is not something simple. He'll have to be defeated and will have like a mini arc for like a volume. From what the plot is showing, I don't think that will happen at all.

 

Orochimaru is just like the coordinator of Team Taka now.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2013 - 12:12 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About Orochimaru, do you mean taking control of Madara or have Madara's power ? Either way, I don't think Orochimaru will strive for more power. He's shown to just be on Sasuke's side and help him. Except maybe for a fight against one of Team 7 in the final fight. He has his thoughts, thoughts of what will Sasuke do.
 
If Orochimaru will control Madara or took Madara's power then this is not something simple. He'll have to be defeated and will have like a mini arc for like a volume. From what the plot is showing, I don't think that will happen at all.
 
Orochimaru is just like the coordinator of Team Taka now.

Ok, you know how they do that seal to Edo earlier. While not easy, they can still do it. The main problem is this. Edo Hokages are still there. This war has been balanced because there's a villain who can kill Edo and can end the world without killing Edo. If Obito goes down, Madara got nothing left. Let's not forget, Edo Hashirama is already giving him a time that can't get around it. The only route is to end the world with the moon eye plan. Otherwise, he has no point anymore. If there was no Edo Hokages, then everything would be different.

This is why in 2 volumes ago, I said this war felt too easy because Madara is now matched by others but worse since there are 4 with one as God of Shinobi or the fact he took down Kyuubi with Susanoo and Madara. Even now, nothing has changed. What made this war different is really Obito. He can kill Edo. He can end the world without killing everyone rather just wait for the time bomb to go off. Why you think he's the main focus? Because he connects to the hero heavily. Madara offers none and that would make the finale lackluster. He has no TnJ in progress in him. By this point, he either dies at the same time in Star Wars episode 6 style or just don't do anymore. Again, Madara is putting all of his money on the moon eye plan. That's why he can't play any longer because this is it. If he fails, well I'll just say it, he's kittened.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 October 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[T XD]

Ok, you know how they do that seal to Edo earlier. While not easy, they can still do it. The main problem is this. Edo Hokages are still there. This war has been balanced because there's a villain who can kill Edo and can end the world without killing Edo. If Obito goes down, Madara got nothing left. Let's not forget, Edo Hashirama is already giving him a time that can't get around it. The only route is to end the world with the moon eye plan. Otherwise, he has no point anymore. If there was no Edo Hokages, then everything would be different.

This is why in 2 volumes ago, I said this war felt too easy because Madara is now matched by others but worse since there are 4 with one as God of Shinobi or the fact he took down Kyuubi with Susanoo and Madara. Even now, nothing has changed. What made this war different is really Obito. He can kill Edo. He can end the world without killing everyone rather just wait for the time bomb to go off. Why you think he's the main focus? Because he connects to the hero heavily. Madara offers none and that would make the finale lackluster. He has no TnJ in progress in him. By this point, he either dies at the same time in Star Wars episode 6 style or just don't do anymore. Again, Madara is putting all of his money on the moon eye plan. That's why he can't play any longer because this is it. If he fails, well I'll just say it, he's f**cked.

This is a way for Kishi to get him down with Obito. But, he can still stand on his own if he didn't go down with Obito.

 

Madara has now Hashirama's hermit power, and even when Obito loses, Madara will still fight and will try to complete the plan. If he didn't go down with Obito, he won't run away and hide again or something. The issue of Madara will still be at hand. Yes, he has alliance and Edo Kages and Kages all against him, but Madara is a challenge to everyone. He has shown his powers, but he's still not easy. Hashirama can stand up to him, but Hashirama won't go attacking him and Madara is immediately defeated from one blow. It's too silly. Madara only wants to stop Obito and not counting on Obito to still be alive for the plan, and he has the issue of the limited 15 minutes. That's my take.

 

Again, I'm saying this if Madara isn't defeated with Obito. If he's not, then I think we'll have maybe like 3 chapters to finish Madara. From that, the possibility of the war will continue to next volume.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This is a way for Kishi to get him down with Obito. But, he can still stand on his own if he didn't go down with Obito.
 
Madara has now Hashirama's hermit power, and even when Obito loses, Madara will still fight and will try to complete the plan. If he didn't go down with Obito, he won't run away and hide again or something. The issue of Madara will still be at hand. Yes, he has alliance and Edo Kages and Kages all against him, but Madara is a challenge to everyone. He has shown his powers, but he's still not easy. Hashirama can stand up to him, but Hashirama won't go attacking him and Madara is immediately defeated from one blow. It's too silly. Madara only wants to stop Obito and not counting on Obito to still be alive for the plan, and the issue of the limited 15 minutes. That's my take.
 
Again, I'm saying this if Madara isn't defeated with Obito. If he's not, then I think we'll have maybe like 3 chapters to finish Madara. From that, the possibility of the war will continue to next volume.

I don't know. You know, to be honest, the main doubt comes from Naruto. Why? Because he's at the limit. If he goes down, do you honestly believe that someone should get the credit? To me, that's a huge no-no. This arc and the latest chapter made it clear that this is the last hurrah. Think about it. They have end of the world scenario now. The speech is not only about don't give up, but it's about one final stand and if we can't stop it, it's game over. This chapter has been built big time. If Obito goes down, so the tree because Hashirama already said that you can take down the user or take down the tree. If Obito goes down, so the tree. The fact Madara told the audience his trump card, you know well it won't work. I mean it would work but the world of storytelling, it won't. It's like if the mastermind tells you what he's going to do next, that plan won't happen.

So honestly, this is the last battle. Obito is the closer. Again, Naruto goes down, the arc should just end. This is not about anyone else. This is about Naruto. Also, Naruto already gave his speech that pretty much the highest you can go to reach everyone. You can't surpass that. Not even "nakama" talk would top it because they already got that. Bottom line, end it while you still can.

Though Krillin can change all that.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 October 2013 - 01:30 PM.

[T XD]

I don't know. You know, to be honest, the main doubt comes from Naruto. Why? Because he's at the limit. If he goes down, do you honestly believe that someone should get the credit? To me, that's a huge no-no. This arc and the latest chapter made it clear that this is the last hurrah. Think about it. They have end of the world scenario now. The speech is not only about don't give up, but it's about one final stand and if we can't stop it, it's game over. This chapter has been built big time. If Obito goes down, so the tree because Hashirama already said that you can take down the user or take down the tree. If Obito goes down, so the tree. The fact Madara told the audience his trump card, you know well it won't work. I mean it would work but the world of storytelling, it won't. It's like if the mastermind tells you what he's going to do next, that plan won't happen.

So honestly, this is the last battle. Obito is the closer. Again, Naruto goes down, the arc should just end. This is not about anyone else. This is about Naruto. Also, Naruto already gave his speech that pretty much the highest you can go to reach everyone. You can't surpass that. Not even "nakama" talk would top it because they already got that. Bottom line, end it while you still can.

Though Krillin can change all that.

The user is the one who activates the tree, right ? If Madara didn't go down with Obito, Madara will go for the tree after he tries to stop Obito. Madara's trump card won't work of course as in his own plan on everything, but before he's defeated, he'll fight anyone and he has no problem doing that. He wants to activate the tree.

 

I'm not saying there's another arc or speech or whatever for Madara if he isn't defeated with Obito. It's like a bit of continuation till the tree is finished with along Madara.

 

I'll wait for the upcoming chapters to have more clear thoughts on this especially Madara's case, and to see if the alliance can succeed fully on taking down the tree if they're not interrupted by Obito or Madara.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2013 - 01:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The user is the one who activates the tree, right ? If Madara didn't go down with Obito, Madara will go for the tree after he tries to stop Obito. Madara's trump card won't work of course as in his own plan on everything, but before he's defeated, he'll fight anyone and he has no problem doing that. He wants to activate the tree.
 
I'm not saying there's another arc or speech or whatever for Madara if he isn't defeated with Obito. It's like a bit of continuation till the tree is finished with along Madara.
 
I'll wait for the upcoming chapters to have more clear thoughts on this especially Madara's case.

I know what you mean but at this case, I feel like Obito will take down Madara with him if he is TnJ, which now that seems likely. I mean something tells me that Kishi purposely have "kill Edo" ability for a reason, especially since Minato escaped death. Put it this way. In your argument, I can see Madara almost near to complete the plan, but Obito will take him down with him as Obito probably received a fatal blow from Madara when he uses senjutsu on him. So after taking down Madara, Obito will slowly die. Star Wars episode 6. Oddly enough, this does seem possible.