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#9381 MangaReader

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Jan 29 2013, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
seriously kirabook if naruto will do that he ll fall down in my eyes . i do admire his care and love for sakura. he has got a unique character. he wont do that ever. he just wanted to make her happy. as he could see the sorrow on her face after sasuke left he promised her to just make her happy. and by the way what happened to ya. you were a huge fan of narusaku and one of my idal shipper. from your talking it appears that you dont believe in it any more.

It's just Naruto's character though... it's not like he wants that to truly happen deep down, but he only wishes Sakura to be happy. So if that happiness come from Sasuke, well then you better believe Naruto's gonna do everything in his power to make it happen. Now the whole thing is that Sakura's now isn't sure of anything, while Sasuke may somehow be forgiven in the end, it's not like he'll change so drastically, not to mention you can't mind wipe all the times he's tried to kill her. Then you have Sasuke pretty much trying to do the opposite (when he was around), wanting his friend to feel happy. Sasuke admitting that Naruto went to such lengths to protect Sakura proves at least that much

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

I think SS was pretty much broken, not when he tried to kill her, but when Sakura found out about Naruto's feelings.

How can people honestly think she'll instantly start making Uchiha babies with Sasuke after he gets redeemed, when she burst into tears, purely because she found out Naruto loves her/because of all the pain she's caused him due to that?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:35 PM

I think people are misunderstanding me. tongue.gif , I'm not saying that Naruto wants Sakura to be with Sasuke just because. Naruto believes that having Sasuke will make Sakura the happiest person in the world, and he wants Sakura to be happy because he loves her.

He wanted to bring Sasuke back not just for himself, but to make Sakura happy. He supported her love for Sasuke because he believes that Sasuke makes Sakura happy in a way he cannot. He didn't want her to feel down and depressed, so he tried to keep his promise with all his heart and encouraged her again and again not to give up (but again, it was also for himself, because Sasuke is his murderous brother)

Naruto still wants her to fall for him, but he will wait for Sasuke to return before making true advances for Sakura and compete openly for her love like he used to. That WAS the case, I'm not really sure how it is now after that mess with the confession, but at the very least we know that Naruto wants to bring Sasuke back for his own purposes.

I'm sure Naruto still feels that he's also bringing Sasuke back to make Sakura happy, but he has to realize now after all that that she doesn't want Sasuke like she used to. (No doubt she at least wants him to return 'good' and back to the village)

I have always believed that Naruto is in a bit of denial that Sakura loves him (in some way), that's obvious with the confession and his insistence that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. Naruto is not always right, he can be just as wrong as anyone else, he is not all knowing. I don't think he's right about Sakura either. Naruto was wrong to encourage Sakura's love for Sasuke to this degree, and Naruto's support could be one of the last legs that keeps Sakura loving Sasuke in the first place. That is the point I was trying to make. I hope that's clearer now?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Jan 29 2013, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think SS was pretty much broken, not when he tried to kill her, but when Sakura found out about Naruto's feelings.

How can people honestly think she'll instantly start making Uchiha babies with Sasuke after he gets redeemed, when she burst into tears, purely because she found out Naruto loves her/because of all the pain she's caused him due to that?


Really well to me SS was broken ever since Sasuke called Sakura annoying at ch 3. And after that it went all down hill from there with the chunin exams and the way he treated her that's like SS getting shot a couple of times. And when he left Konoha that was the final shot to the heart of the pairing that kill it for good. Kishi had to remind us how dead and hopeless the pairing is with 482 Sasuke's two attempts at murdering her that was like Kishi putting the final nails on SS's coffin.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 29 2013, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really well to me SS was broken ever since Sasuke called Sakura annoying at ch 3. And after that it went all down hill from there with the chunin exams and the way he treated her that's like SS getting shot a couple of times. And when he left Konoha that was the final shot to the heart of the pairing that kill it for good. Kishi had to remind us how dead and hopeless the pairing is with 482 Sasuke's two attempts at murdering her that was like Kishi putting the final nails on SS's coffin.

But Sakura called Naruto annoying too, so that goes both ways. The reason that SS is broken is for me that Sasuke never changed his opinion(that she was annoying), that was even one of the last things he said to her before he left. He treated her like kitten the entire series.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

Not gonna lie, but people who think SS was ever possible are living in a fantasy, just like Sakura thought the relationship would be XD

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

okey thats fine now. so if i sounded annoying and rude kirabook then please forgive me. and agree with both garvimage and shusi. its still out of my reach why people like ss. haha. now i dont really wanna waste time on ss. cause we have got something more important like nh. you guys know what the nh fans are flying after 615 and 616. on youtube and devine art . jeezz.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

My words on SS, is that it's already dead from a long time ago during part 1, and is now buried with the worms already stuffed eating it.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:36 PM

I don't really like calling something dead unless something truly makes it so, say a character dying or getting together with someone else, or the mangaka coming right out and saying what would be so.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jan 29 2013, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't really like calling something dead unless something truly makes it so, say a character dying or getting together with someone else, or the mangaka coming right out and saying what would be so.


Even if a character dies, doesn't mean the couple is "dead" just means there was an alternative. And even then we get people saying "Well, NS only got together cause Sasuke died." There is sometimes that even when the writer says "It is like this" the fans still refuse it.

I call SS officially dead when he tried to kill her last time. Not once, but twice. SK maybe took a hit as well with him stabbing her. He basically quite possibly ended two fandoms in one chapter. People say earlier, but for me, the murder attempt scene was the final nail in the coffin.

If SS becomes canon even after all that, then it is an asspull. This guy has shown no hints at all throughout the entire manga, not even when he was still a "good guy."

Sasuke, as I mentioned, is the one thing both tying NS together and keeping them apart. Naruto needs to accept the change that Sakura has for him. No doubt will have to prove this and I know she will, but I am more concerned about Naruto being open-minded to it. He just refuses any and all comforts in his life believing it is not true or he doesn't deserve it.

This is why Itachi's speech is so important as well. I think he knows he likes Sakura and was trying to tell him to let her in. You could argue he was being general, but I can dream. Itachi supports NS XD


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 29 2013, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if a character dies, doesn't mean the couple is "dead" just means there was an alternative. And even then we get people saying "Well, NS only got together cause Sasuke died." There is sometimes that even when the writer says "It is like this" the fans still refuse it.

I call SS officially dead when he tried to kill her last time. Not once, but twice. SK maybe took a hit as well with him stabbing her. He basically quite possibly ended two fandoms in one chapter. People say earlier, but for me, the murder attempt scene was the final nail in the coffin.

If SS becomes canon even after all that, then it is an asspull. This guy has shown no hints at all throughout the entire manga, not even when he was still a "good guy."

Sasuke, as I mentioned, is the one thing both tying NS together and keeping them apart. Naruto needs to accept the change that Sakura has for him. No doubt will have to prove this and I know she will, but I am more concerned about Naruto being open-minded to it. He just refuses any and all comforts in his life believing it is not true or he doesn't deserve it.

This is why Itachi's speech is so important as well. I think he knows he likes Sakura and was trying to tell him to let her in. You could argue he was being general, but I can dream. Itachi supports NS XD

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Jan 29 2013, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasuke, as I mentioned, is the one thing both tying NS together and keeping them apart. Naruto needs to accept the change that Sakura has for him. No doubt will have to prove this and I know she will, but I am more concerned about Naruto being open-minded to it. He just refuses any and all comforts in his life believing it is not true or he doesn't deserve it.

This is why Itachi's speech is so important as well. I think he knows he likes Sakura and was trying to tell him to let her in. You could argue he was being general, but I can dream. Itachi supports NS XD


Which is something that he learns the hard way in the much dreaded chapter 615 : there are some things that he just can not shoulder on his own (maybe this will also help him be more open to accept Sakura's love and support ... way to turn 615 into a NS moment .. sort of cool.gif ) . And while Hinata's support was enough to get him through that hard time , only Sakura can share with him and help him get through the burden of having to fight Sasuke , maybe even to the death , in order to protect the village . He does say that he is prepared for that , but once again chapter 615 shows that he really is not .

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE (narusakurama @ Jan 29 2013, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which is something that he learns the hard way in the much dreaded chapter 615 : there are some things that he just can not shoulder on his own (maybe this will also help him be more open to accept Sakura's love and support ... way to turn 615 into a NS moment .. sort of cool.gif ) . And while Hinata's support was enough to get him through that hard time , only Sakura can share with him and help him get through the burden of having to fight Sasuke , maybe even to the death , in order to protect the village . He does say that he is prepared for that , but once again chapter 615 shows that he really is not .


Naruto needs to realize that there's more to his life than saving Sasuke, and that there are people who look up to him/cares about him and his wellbeing/loves him. The way he is with Sasuke is very selfish IMO. Pretty much anticipating that he's going to die with Sasuke when they fight again is just wrong and he's not looking at what that'd do to others. Hell, look at Sakura's response when he even says it. Naruto has formed numerous bonds, and he was willing to easily throw it all away for one individual. I think Neji's death did some good for him because it made him realize that while it's good to strive for something, you shouldn't just throw in the towel when something goes wrong.

He should also open up a bit more.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

Okay what I’m about to say now will sound a bit strange and ridiculous, but bear with me okay? I’m really happy that Sakura didn’t appear in the last two chapters. Of course I was also disappointed that she didn’t appear at all, but as I said I’m happy that she didn’t appear. Now why exactly am I happy? I’ll tell you. It’s because I don’t want Sakura to appear just so she can heal Naruto something she already did, I don’t Sakura to appear so she can heal some random moron on the battlefield something she already did and probably the most important one I don’t want to see some random panel with her just to remind us that she’s there. I don’t want to see Sakura doing things she already DID. What I want to see is Sakura and Naruto fighting as a team, as a real team. The rules that Tsunade mentioned were already broken once and now that we see that Naruto can give chakra to anyone, those rules can be broken again. Seriously imagine a real teamwork between Sakura and Naruto, these characters are the greatest characters to be put together and fight as a team, they know each other better than anyone. Not to mention that the combination between these two is going to be amazing. Brute strength combined with ultimate speed equals perfection. That’s what I want to see. By doing this Kishi will show us why Sakura is the leading lady and why Hinata is a side character and will always remain the clown of the show.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (Nostradamus @ Jan 29 2013, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay what I’m about to say now will sound a bit strange and ridiculous, but bear with me okay? I’m really happy that Sakura didn’t appear in the last two chapters. Of course I was also disappointed that she didn’t appear at all, but as I said I’m happy that she didn’t appear. Now why exactly am I happy? I’ll tell you. It’s because I don’t want Sakura to appear just so she can heal Naruto something she already did, I don’t Sakura to appear so she can heal some random moron on the battlefield something she already did and probably the most important one I don’t want to see some random panel with her just to remind us that she’s there. I don’t want to see Sakura doing things she already DID. What I want to see is Sakura and Naruto fighting as a team, as a real team. The rules that Tsunade mentioned were already broken once and now that we see that Naruto can give chakra to anyone, those rules can be broken again. Seriously imagine a real teamwork between Sakura and Naruto, these characters are the greatest characters to be put together and fight as a team, they know each other better than anyone. Not to mention that the combination between these two is going to be amazing. Brute strength combined with ultimate speed equals perfection. That’s what I want to see. By doing this Kishi will show us why Sakura is the leading lady and why Hinata is a side character and will always remain the clown of the show.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jan 29 2013, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Other than that, I don't think Sasuke rejecting Sakura lead her to becoming closer to Naruto in the long run.


That's not what I meant. I didn't say she followed up on her claim. I simply said that it took Sasuke to reject Sakura just for her to consider being nicer to Naruto. That's how much of an affect he had on Sakura.

But my point still stands. In some way, shape, or form, Sasuke has brought Sakura closer to Naruto. I mean, is that really such a bad thing? I certainly don't think so.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 29 2013, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I totally agree with you...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Byakugou no jutsu.

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please Kishi.


Frankly I doubt about that... Tsunade said clearly that only her can knows and uses this forbidden technique.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (narusakurama @ Jan 29 2013, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which is something that he learns the hard way in the much dreaded chapter 615 : there are some things that he just can not shoulder on his own (maybe this will also help him be more open to accept Sakura's love and support ... way to turn 615 into a NS moment .. sort of cool.gif ) . And while Hinata's support was enough to get him through that hard time , only Sakura can share with him and help him get through the burden of having to fight Sasuke , maybe even to the death , in order to protect the village . He does say that he is prepared for that , but once again chapter 615 shows that he really is not .


That's my theory.

Hinata has no business really in the dealing with Sasuke. She doesn't now the situation or the feelings. She can't really just step in on this one otherwise she will really cause more problem's then it solves.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

SS won't be dead until Sakura stops loving Sasuke romantically. It's that simple.

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