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[Don-kun]

Think about this instead:

It's okay to talk about MinaKushi here.
It's okay to talk about HashiMito here.
It's okay to talk about JiraiTsu here.
It's okay to talk about TsuDan here.
It's okay to talk about ObiRin here.
It's okay to talk about YahiKonan here.
It's okay to talk about AsuKure here.
It's okay to talk about KakaSaku here.
It's okay to talk about SaiSaku here.
It's okay to talk about LeeSaku here.
It's okay to talk about ItaSaku here.
It's okay to talk about NaruSasu here.
It's okay to talk about NaruIno here.
It's okay to talk about NaruTen here.
It's okay to talk about ShikaTema here.
It's okay to talk about ShikaIno here.
It's okay to talk about ChoujIno here.
It's okay to talk about LeeTen here.
It's okay to talk about NejiTen here.
It's okay to talk about NejiHina here.
It's okay to talk about KibaHina here.
It's okay to talk about SasuHina here.
(etc...)

If it's okay to talk about all of these pairings at any given time, what makes it not okay to talk about SasuSaku, NaruHina, and SasuKarin here? Especially when they're relevant to the chapter?

Honestly I don't see people talking that much about those pairing unless they are parallel to NS, also I do remember a time when some users here start having a debate against FoolishYoungling for chipping SasuHina and the constant attract only stopped after they were told that he is joking about the pairing and that SH is just a crack pairing he likes.

Anyway I see that you miss a very important line in my post so let me highlight it.

The truth is no one should feel unwanted here after all we all have something in common that's our love for NS.
Many other poster prier to mine where saying harsh things about SK and Karin character so I thought it would be a 100 times better if they share the SK thoughts where it really matters.

After all not everyone feels comfortable talking about SK, NH or SS since this isn't a pro site for any of those pairings, plus in the SK FC they don't talk about NS if they want to say something about this pairing they do it on the NS FC, so why it's OK to talk about SK here when many haves bitter opinions about the pairing?

Honestly this is the only pairing site where I see every shipper come and do what they want.

Also people said a lot of crap about SK and Karin character is OK.

Don says it would be better for people to use a specify SK site instead to avoid tension among NS fans and NS/SK fans since not every fans here seems to share the same view, BIG PROBLEM.

Honestly I'm starting to believe that isn't about the content in the post or what was writing is more about who was the user that write it.


@StriderC
I swear to God that I would really love to have you face to face only to see if you're so confident insulting me the way you do it over the internet.

We are freaking talking about pairings here not the person itself, my word are freaking kitten compere to other pairing bashers, GOD sometimes I wish I knew you personally.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Honestly this is the only pairing site where I see every shipper come and do what they want.

That's... kinda the point. This is mainly a NaruSaku fan site, but everyone is welcome as long as they stay respectful. That's the main point of the site, isn't it? Someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 19 April 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

To be honest, my problem with the site is not people talking about pairings, but the forum goers just down right insulting each other altogether AND people who work so hard to try and make others feel stupid. I have been feeling that quite a lot lately. With this whole discussion on Karin alone, not just SasuKarin.

I have been trying to give my opinion on Karin and I find many people almost insulting me: "Well, if you see the evidence here..." and "How could you not know that? It is obvious." The point is not the hints or the clues, but really the story. I even have some who literally down right insulted me all because I thought Karin deserved better.

This is not even just about SS or SK, but I see the same things on NS.

Sasuke is just a character I hate and he is a character that seems to get everything even though he doesn't do anything to gain it NOR actually deserves it. How can this man get any girl when he tried to kill her? How can this even be okay? He has treated all women terribly and they still want him. Even the fans, the readers of the manga, see him as this great hero at times. Why? I don't get it.

I have been finding lately that just having a different opinion on this forum strike a cord with some of you. I don't always agree with everyone, but I never try to make people feel stupid for believing what they do. Possibly blind, but never stupid and even then not everyone is blind. They just want something to happen a certain way which is fine. Ignorance is what I can't stand and this sense of entitlement I find most members seem to think they have.

"I am entitled to my opinion." No, you're privileged to your opinion. I hate when people do this. No one has the "right" to say whatever they want. It is a privilege that many take for granted and abuse it to the point of irresponsibility. I get messages from other forums saying "Sorry, I can't be on here anymore. People are too hostile."

Don-Kun, we're trying to be BETTER fans to the Naruto fan base. If we stoop down to the others level and become this insanely biased uncaring fandom, then we are no better than the other you claim exist. It isn't about superiority, but how we should behave as people. If we let everything anger us, then fights start. Just like what is happening now. Now, no one is perfect. We all make mistakes and as I have said many of times I have made a few doozies myself, but that's life and we have to learn from it.

I even try to make a joke of it like how I joke with me and Zac. Me and Zac are good friends, but we joke with each other about how we have these huge debates. Like in the podcast: "You dare disagree with me? YOU MUST DIE." lol

Look at all the NS, NH, SS, or SK fans who just want to have a good discussion and get pushed away because the jerks of the fandoms decide to yell in their faces that they need to be like this or they are not a "true fans."

@StriderC
I swear to God that I would really love to have you face to face only to see if you're so confident insulting me the way you do it over the internet.

Challenge accepted.

Want me to give you my address? Come to my door if you want to. You'll find a man with nothing to lose. I don't let any bullies push my friends around.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2013 - 02:43 PM.

[Don-kun]

That's... kinda the point. This is mainly a NaruSaku fan site, but everyone is welcome as long as they stay respectful. That's the main point of the site, isn't it? Someone, please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep it's truth, but it also kind of sad since many times we need to endure people bringing down our pairing or taking jab at Sakura character.

[sushi.]

Don-kun, I think you should be more tolerant.

The reason they don't talk about other pairings on the fanclubs on NF is because the FC's all have their own threads. This is more than a fanclub, it's a fansite and we should talk about what is relevant in the manga. SK is currently one of them. Even when it's not, we shouldn't compare ourselves to NF/NB and believe that other pairings are unacceptable just because they don't.

I'm with you.

I'm tired of people dividing members into NH and NS sections, instead of people who break the rules and people who don't.

^this sums up my thoughts on this matter. I just want us to be open to other opinions. :'3

I want the mods to make a thread about this. Because(I'm sorryD:), we're going off topic. Neither me nor you can decide whether to accept other pairings or not, but Smiter said that all pairings are welcome.

[Don-kun]

To be honest, my problem with the site is not people talking about pairings, but the forum goers just down right insulting each other altogether AND people who work so hard to try and make others feel stupid. I have been feeling that quite a lot lately. With this whole discussion on Karin alone, not just SasuKarin.

I have been trying to give my opinion on Karin and I find many people almost insulting me: "Well, if you see the evidence here..." and "How could you not know that? It is obvious." The point is not the hints or the clues, but really the story. I even have some who literally down right insulted me all because I thought Karin deserved better.

This is not even just about SS or SK, but I see the same things on NS.

Sasuke is just a character I hate and he is a character that seems to get everything even though he doesn't do anything to gain it NOR actually deserves it. How can this man get any girl when he tried to kill her? How can this even be okay? He has treated all women terribly and they still want him. Even the fans, the readers of the manga, see him as this great hero at times. Why? I don't get it. Some people say Karin is insane and she doesn't know. Well, I guess most of Sasuke's fanbase is insane because they like this guy when in reality a guy like this would be in prison for attempted murder.

I have been finding lately that just having a different opinion on this forum strike a cord with some of you. I don't always agree with everyone, but I never try to make people feel stupid for believing what they do. Possibly blind, but never stupid and even then not everyone is blind. They just want something to happen a certain way which is fine. Ignorance is what I can't stand and this sense of entitlement I find most members seem to think they have.

"I am entitled to my opinion." No, you're privileged to your opinion. I hate when people do this. No one has the "right" to say whatever they want. It is a privilege that many take for granted and abuse it to the point of irresponsibility. I get messages from other forums saying "Sorry, I can't be on here anymore. People are too hostile."

Don-Kun, we're trying to be BETTER fans to the Naruto fan base. If we stoop down to the others level and become this insanely biased uncaring fandom, then we are no better than the other you claim exist. It isn't about superiority, but how we should behave as people. If we let everything anger us, then fights start. Just like what is happening now. Now, no one is perfect. We all make mistakes and as I have said many of times I have made a few doozies myself, but that's life and we have to learn from it.

I even try to make a joke of it like how I joke with me and Zac. Me and Zac are good friends, but we joke with each other about how we have these huge debates. Like in the podcast: "You dare disagree with me? YOU MUST DIE." lol

Look at all the NS, NH, SS, or SK fans who just want to have a good discussion and get pushed away because the jerks of the fandoms decide to yell in their faces that they need to be like this or they are not a "true fans."



Challenge accepted.

Want me to give you my address? Come to my door if you want to. You'll find a man with nothing to lose. I don't let any bullies push my friends around.

For the bold part, that's what I being feeling lately, I also read your post well I normally read every post on the thread to know what's going on so I know what happen between you on the rest.
Something I also like to say is that is not bad talking about other pairing is the fact that I would like the other pairing talk to be minimal, about the pairing part in the chapter, it didn't have anything to do with SK or their history it was more about Sasuke's reaction and the poor way Kishi treated Karin in this chapter, but later on it became a why I like SK vs why I don't like SK.

About the last part: I know you're joking anyway I don't need it, the desire to be face to face with someone and wanting to take a 10 hours plain trip to see that person is not the same, the truth is I only get annoyed when someone is constantly disrespecting me or getting too personal with me when the subject should stay on pairings and not on each other. If you notice I don't constantly target any member while trying to get personal with them.

Don-kun, I think you should be more tolerant.

The reason they don't talk about other pairings on the fanclubs on NF is because the FC's all have their own threads. This is more than a fanclub, it's a fansite and we should talk about what is relevant in the manga. SK is currently one of them. Even when it's not, we shouldn't compare ourselves to NF/NB and believe that other pairings are unacceptable just because they don't.


^this sums up my thoughts on this matter. I just want us to be open to other opinions. :'3

I want the mods to make a thread about this. Because(I'm sorryD:), we're going off topic. Neither me nor you can decide whether to accept other pairings or not, but Smiter said that all pairings are welcome.

I agree I just wish it was more about NS and less about other pairings that's all.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

LOL! Curses!

Shadow - That is awesome. LOL.

ANYWAY - we've gone way off-topic. Back to the chapter!

I'm still utterly disappointed in what Kishimoto has done with it.

Kishimoto just killed his series and I'm stuck in Elisabeth Kubler-Ross' first stage of dealing with death: Denial. I keep forgetting all of this happened.

Sasuke is good.
Naruto did nothing to contribute to that change.
Orochimaru is good.
He decided this because he got bored.
Karin is... I'm not even going to talk about Karin.

Sasuke become just like Vegeta.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[Sakura_Blossom]

I think everyone is taking it all too seriously. I mean, is no longer a discussion among members about what happens in the manga, is becoming personal and I believe this should not happen. We should be calm and not let personal biases interfere with our love for NS right? After all that is why we all did an account here. At least when I signed here, beyond great debates NS, I saw that had a lot of the complicity among all , had problems but they were quickly resolved with talk, now there are even physical threats.
Please let's all be calm and think twice before post something? And do not think only on what you believe, but in what most think, even if it is not what you are wanting to. keep the peace is worth a bit of inconvenience personal, is not it?
Please!

Edited by Sakura_Blossom, 19 April 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[StriderC]

Honestly I don't see people talking that much about those pairing unless they are parallel to NS, also I do remember a time when some users here start having a debate against FoolishYoungling for chipping SasuHina and the constant attract only stopped after they were told that he is joking about the pairing and that SH is just a crack pairing he likes.

Anyway I see that you miss a very important line in my post so let me highlight it.



Also people said a lot of crap about SK and Karin character is OK.

Don says it would be better for people to use a specify SK site instead to avoid tension among NS fans and NS/SK fans since not every fans here seems to share the same view, BIG PROBLEM.

Honestly I'm starting to believe that isn't about the content in the post or what was writing is more about who was the user that write it.


@StriderC
I swear to God that I would really love to have you face to face only to see if you're so confident insulting me the way you do it over the internet.

We are freaking talking about pairings here not the person itself, my word are freaking kitten compere to other pairing bashers, GOD sometimes I wish I knew you personally.

Who the hell are you? I don't hold my tongue IRL and I certainly wont hold it back on a kittening forum. I'm talking kitten about you? Where? I'll show you where YOU'RE talking crap and then falling back into defensive mode. Shall I link your previous comments where you're inconsistent?

Remember this comment? I even bolded where YOU were being insulting calling SK fans hypocrites. You basically bashed the couple, and it's fans. Gooooddd job Don!

Ha ha the double standard.
You wanted to heard my reason then so be it , it's because Pro SK Anti SS is freaking hypocritical.
I said it, no matter what poor logic people try to use to defend SK it's a worst pairing than SS, Sasuke said

(To Tobi) "If you think I'm just a foolish kid ruled by his emotions, that's fine. Following Itachi's path would be childish, the whispering of fools who don't know hatred. If anyone else tries to ridicule the way I live, I'll slaughter everyone they ever cared about. And then maybe they'll understand what it's like to taste… a little of my hatred."[77]

Sakura was a old teammate sure but he was very annoyed of them gating in his way, there is no excuse to try and kill her but it's worst to try and justify his actions against Karin, she like Jugo were devoted and loyal to the end, he seek her out and formed a group then develop new powers to save them mostly because they reminded him of his old bond with Team 7, sadly in the end it still didn't matter because he could only stop and have a chat with Naruto but Karin he disposed her like trash and latter asked Sakura to kill her because he didn't needed her anymore, but that is nor even the worst part, the worst part is that the only reason why Karin a devoted allied was not killed by him was because Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto interrupted him.

Anyway it's best if I just drop this argument with you and move on, I for sure don't need to rely and a completely damage pairing has SK, worst when the Author needed to degrade the character and make a mockery of her and all young girls in the process.

SS is bad for the story but SK is OK, so much hypocrisy.

But before this comment, you put up a link shooing them away like you kittening care. LMAO! But you're insulting them.Oh, and lets not forget the crap you spewed just recently.

The truth is no one should feel unwanted here after all we all have something in common that's our love for NS.
Many other poster prier to mine where saying harsh things about SK and Karin character so I thought it would be a 100 times better if they share the SK thoughts where it really matters.

After all not everyone feels comfortable talking about SK, NH or SS since this isn't a pro site for any of those pairings, plus in the SK FC they don't talk about NS if they want to say something about this pairing they do it on the NS FC, so why it's OK to talk about SK here when many haves bitter opinions about the pairing?

Honestly this is the only pairing site where I see every shipper come and do what they want.

After that comment calling SK fans hypocrites, I'm surprised you fell back to this comment. You're playing the defense card. You're inconsistent with your comments, and you're wishy washy.

Where the kitten do I insult you btw? Oh, is it because I call you wishy washy? Well sir, that's true. You can look at the above comments and see that, but other than that, you're the one who's insulting, and the fact that you've gone as far as to bring up meeting in real life shows just how ridiculous you are. You see what you want and take it how you feel. I don't give a damn. I'll call you out every time I see some crap from you. It's that simple.

For the bold part, that's what I being feeling lately, I also read your post well I normally read every post on the thread to know what's going on so I know what happen between you on the rest.
Something I also like to say is that is not bad talking about other pairing is the fact that I would like the other pairing talk to be minimal, about the pairing part in the chapter, it didn't have anything to do with SK or their history it was more about Sasuke's reaction and the poor way Kishi treated Karin in this chapter, but later on it became a why I like SK vs why I don't like SK.

About the last part: I know you're joking anyway I don't need it, the desire to be face to face with someone and wanting to take a 10 hours plain trip to see that person is not the same, the truth is I only get annoyed when someone is constantly disrespecting me or getting too personal with me when the subject should stay on pairings and not on each other. If you notice I don't constantly target any member while trying to get personal with them.




I agree I just wish it was more about NS and less about other pairings that's all.

LMAO You and your assumptions about me. I'm not even gonna delve further because it's dumb. You go on and on about respect, and disrespect. Well, how about you chew on your own words, and take it to heart because you're definitely not a respectful person here.

As for the bolded, you're the one calling SK fans hypocrites, basically talking about them. But wowwww, shouldn't it stay on pairings and not on one another?? You know, you REALLY crack me up.

Edited by StriderC, 19 April 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Codus N]

Strider, best to let it go and just go report the damn hypocrite.... no need to get worked up.

[StriderC]

Strider, best to let it go and just go report the damn hypocrite.... no need to get worked up.

No worries. I'm not the one that got worked up here though. I'm just linking comments and showing the guy just who's who here.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Codus N
@Strider C
@Don-kun

Can you guys deal with this via pm?

Don-Kun has a point despite crossing the line a bit and also you two above crossed the line.
Just agree to disagree and move on

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2013 - 05:12 PM.

[StriderC]

@Codus N
@Strider C


@Don-kun

Can you guys deal with this via pm?

There's nothing to deal with, and Codus had nothing to do with it. He was just making a comment.

Wait? What? What point is that? People are well aware of that many different fandoms come in this forum, but that gives a person no right to shoo them off, and call them names. What line did I cross? Point it out.

Edited by StriderC, 19 April 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

There's nothing to deal with, and Codus had nothing to do with it. He was just making a comment.

Wait? What? What point is that? People are well aware of that many different fandoms come in this forum, but that gives a person no right to shoo them off, and call them names. What line did I cross? Point it out.

I'm not defending him, he crossed the line with the reason you pointed off and you also crossed the line because despite using the report option you continued debating with him and also crossed the line.

So move on and wait for the mods to deal with the issue.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[Don-kun]

It's so easy to add someone on your ignore list instead of arguing with the person, is not the first time I being challenge by the same user, so is better to ignore that way I know I will avoid saying something that I will regret for the sake of a fictional pairing.


Yeah asking people to talk more about NS while wondering why each fandom have their own site but choose to talk about those pairing here instead of it being more NS centric is wrong.

Calling people names, insulting them, calling the ridiculous, embarrassment, damn hypocrites harass the person, call them bad appeals is way more cooler, I get it.
But when you try to oppose to those attacks you're only victimizing yourself or pointing fingers. Such Irony.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 05:24 PM.

[StriderC]

I'm not defending him, he crossed the line with the reason you pointed off and you also crossed the line because despite using the report option you continued debating with him and also crossed the line.

He has a point though apparently? What point is that? And I didn't feel like making a report. I wanted to comment on it and piece all of his comments together, so I did. Now I'm done. If he chooses to continue then that's on him. Hell, I was done before you made your comment. Now you've just involved yourself. Maybe you should of simply PM'd me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Allow me to change the subject:

If Minato does give Naruto the other half of the chakra, will it be ready to use or he has to work for it as in training?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Allow me to change the subject:

If Minato does give Naruto the other half of the chakra, will it be ready to use or he has to work for it as in training?

It will be ridiculous, Kyuubi with half of her chakra is stronger than all the others bijuu's combined imagine her with ther other half.
Kishimoto is being very incosistent.

[HauntedCake]

Allow me to change the subject:

If Minato does give Naruto the other half of the chakra, will it be ready to use or he has to work for it as in training?

couple of things.

1) what chakra does he have already yin or yang (good or evil?)

2) would it turn him evil if he got the evil chakra?

[sushi.]

Allow me to change the subject:

If Minato does give Naruto the other half of the chakra, will it be ready to use or he has to work for it as in training?

Kurama is cooperating with him now, so probably not.