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[Don-kun]

Wait... what jealousy? I haven't seen that at all unless I missed it.

I don't think Sakura could be jealous of Hinata for the simple fact that she is around Naruto all the time, while Hinata is not. Even if Hinata likes him, the chances of Naruto liking her are slim to none. That's my opinion anyway.

While I strongly belive NS will happen, stating that NH will never happen is not the right way to express ourself.
You know how many NH & SS I call out for speaking that way, I ask them if they are Kishimoto? We are not Kishimoto so we cannot speak like that, the most we can say is that NS has more basis, more development, they are really close, they make more sense, but for the book even the horrendous SS cn still happen.

Look at her expresion --Click here to view--

Edited by donjoseph19, 21 May 2012 - 11:50 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

While I strongly belive NS will happen, stating that NH will never happen is not the right way to express ourself.
You know how many NH & SS I call out for speaking that way, I ask them if they are Kishimoto? We are not Kishimoto so we cannot speak like that, the most we can say is that NS has more basis, more development, they are really close, they make more sense, but for the book even the horrendous SS cn still happen.

Look at her expresion --Click here to view--

HERP DERP SAKURA'S HAIR TURN RED?

Edited by dovahkiin, 21 May 2012 - 10:58 PM.

[kidNinja]

While I strongly belive NS will happen, stating that NH will never happen is not the right way to express ourself.
You know how many NH & SS I call out for speaking that way, I ask them if they are Kishimoto? We are not Kishimoto so we cannot speak like that, the most we can say is that NS has more basis, more development, they are really close, they make more sense, but for the book even the horrendous SS cn still happen.

Look at her expresion --Click here to view--

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[sushi.]

I'm not gonna reply to any spesific persons here, (too many..shh) but most fans you guys mentioned above hate Sakura, but still likes SS. Because then she's not in the way

[Don-kun]

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Naruto Manga chapter 442 page 1

[Paptala]

I'll take a stab at that reply :-)

I wouldn't say that, she cares about many things in her life. She's just in love and wants to help Naruto, it shows

Naruto is 99% of what her character is shown caring about - everything else seems to come second. Sure, she has a few moments here and there where she's shown giving Kiba medicine or a panel worrying about her bodyguard, but all of her motivations and actions seem to be driven by her feelings for Naruto. Let's see:

• Naruto fighting Kiba - (I want to cheer for Naruto, but I don't want Kiba to get mad -- Naruto takes precedence over her team mates)
• During her fight with Neji - (I can't look this bad in front of Naruto!)
• Passing out after that fight - (did I make an impression on Naruto?)
• At the training fields - (all about cheering up Naruto)
• During the Naruto and Neji fight - (only worried about Naruto - who cares about the branch family/main family antagonism?)
• After VOTE fight - (Hinata was too shy to go see Naruto; who cares that Sasuke defected and Neji almost died?)
• Hinata sees Naruto off - she wants to get stronger because of Naruto

Conclusion: Part 1 = Hinata totally revolving around her feelings for Naruto

• Hinata introduced again - blushing about how she's not ready to see Naruto; blushes and faints
• Hinata is assigned to the same team as Naruto - ("Let's do our best Naruto!" "Watch out Naruto!" - nothing about Yamato - more worry about Naruto - does one jutsu to help track down Sasuke)
• Hinata watching the Pein fight (worry worry worry over Naruto; love confession/suicide; cry over Naruto - no concern for her teammates)
• Fighting in the war - I'm fighting for Naruto! I want to hold his hand! (Hinata wasn't present for the Hyuuga family drama)

Conclusion: Part 2 = Hinata totally revolving around her feelings for Naruto.

No bashing of Hinata meant, but that's just the truth of the matter.

You said Naruto will surpass the previous, so when Jiraya isn't able to do something, maybe Naruto will. Clinging to other people's life to support NS is a thin line to walk on

It's called a theme - the newer generation will always surpass the old is an idea that Kishimoto has made very clear in his story. Team 7 is /obviously/ a parallel to the original 3 Sannin, and Kishimoto laid out Jiraiya's failures/regrets at the end of his life very clearly. This implies very strongly that Naruto is going to succeed where Jiraiya failed - saving his teacher, saving his friend, and winning over the girl who always turned him down.

Sure, you can call it a weak argument if you want, but its a valid argument nonetheless, and is the least of the proof NaruSaku has supporting its potential canon-status. NaruSaku has parallels strengthening it, but it certainly doesn't need them to make a convincing argument as to why its most likely to become canon.

Naruto feels good with Sakura, because he spent a lot of time in her company. When Hinata didn't have the chance. But their little moments prove Naruto likes her, and feels good around her as well.

Sure, Naruto likes Hinata as a friend. But to compare Naruto's feelings for Hinata to his feelings for Sakura is simply laughable. Was she one of the people to save him from the hell of loneliness? Was she the one constantly by his side when he was struggling to get Sasuke back? Was she the one that Naruto was willing to push aside him emotions for so she'd be happy? Was she the one who he blushed over and gave smitten looks? No - she's not. Sakura holds a special place in Naruto's heart, one that Hinata will never be able to replace.

The blood vow was not romantic but the 'promise of a life time' was huh.gif? Naruto also promised Sakura something because she was a nice person and he didn't want to see her in pain. He took her burdan, just like he did with Hinata's. I can't see any difference, besides the finding Sasuke was also his personal goal. I give Hinata as much credit as every other character, because I don't consider her worse and a side character like some people do.

When Naruto made the blood oath he barely knew Hinata; he hadn't spoken more than a few words to her. He was angry because the things Neji was saying was hitting all of Naruto's buttons, so to speak. He would have reacted the same way had it been any other person down there being subjected to Neji's abuse.

The POAL, however, was very clearly about Naruto acknowledging Sakura's romantic feelings, and making a conscious decision to push aside his own feelings for her in order to make her happy. Hence the heartbroken look on his face when commenting to Sakura that she really loves Sakura, and that he knows exactly how much pain she's in. Concrete proof that the POAL was a romantic moment - this is the moment Sakura flashes back to after Sai tells her that Naruto loves her - this is what confirms his feelings for her in her mind.

The blood oath has never been brought back up again after the fight with Neji, not by Naruto or Hinata in any shape, way or form.

It's only speculation. You don't know who Naruto feels about Hinata now, because the manga didn't mention it at all recently. Hinata is also not forcing herself on Naruto, where did you even get that? She was usually shy and never spoke to him. When she gathers the courage and wants to support him, she's suddenly forcing something? Everyone in love has a right to fight for it when they weren't given an answer and they still have hope. I don't know why you NS fans see her in such a bad light for loving Naruto.

No, speculation would be claiming that Naruto's feelings for Hinata have changed when there is literally nothing in the manga to support such a claim. Naruto is treating her just the same as he did in chapter 98 - he seems to view her as a friend, who is strong (he already commented on this during Hinata's fight with Neji in part one). There is no blushing, no smitten looks, nothing at all to indicate that he views her in any sort of non-platonic light.

If Sakura still loves Sasuke, I don't know how how lost any hope of being with him when he'll change. But let's say you're right. I'm not sure if redeemed Sasuke looks up to Sakura when he notices she still loves him after all this time, she'll turn him down. She was the one that filled his lonely existence, so I don't know who on this world will understand him better than Sakura.

First of all, loving someone doesn't have anything to do with thinking that you are going to be with them; please see Naruto's feelings for Sakura. He has loved her for years, but believes her to be in love with Sasuke, and thus doesn't seem to harbor serious hopes of actually getting together with her.

Second, Sasuke's redemption won't change anything, because even at the height of Sasuke and Sakura's relationship (the Forest of Death portion of the chuunin exams), Sasuke never showed any romantic interest in Sakura - why should he do so now? Sakura herself said at the end of part one that he "never talked to her" and that he "always just hated her".

Third, if you're going to accept data book information as true on its face, then you also have to take as true what Sakura's entry said about her feelings for Naruto in data book 3:

Databook Entry --Click here to view--

Where does Sakura scold herself for loving Sasuke? It's a pure guess from your side, NS takes all these things from speculations. Give me manga prove.
In the ninja world almost all people are murderers and Sasuke will be treated differently than in the real world. Besides trying to kill members of Team 7, he didn't do much bad things. Just killed a few wanted criminals.
You explained she loves two people out of your own speculation, you haven't given me manga proof, so...how can I believe something like this?

Its different when you are killing a person because of a mission - trying to kill your own teammates is a bad thing, even in the Naruto-verse. Why else would the rookies, the good guys of the manga, decide that Sasuke needs to die? Why else would Sakura, the person who you are so sure loves Sasuke, decide that he needs to die as well? Kakashi even decided that Sasuke needed to be taken out.

All throughout the summit fight with Sasuke, Sakura was continuously reminded by Kakashi and Karin that Sasuke is now a different person. Sakura herself thought twice about how much Sasuke has changed. Then we get 540, where Sakura is picturing a malevolent looking Sasuke wreathed in black flames with a miserable expression on her face. Whatever conclusion Kishimoto wanted the readers to take away from that scene is certainly nothing positive about the state of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, that's for sure.

If Sakura is not constantly thinking about Sasuke, why did she try so hard to bring him back? She trained so hard everyday to become a medical ninja and help Naruto with bring Sasuke back. When she fought Sasori, she was determined to get information out of Orochimaru. So all her bleeding was about getting information about Sasuke.
She went to kill him with the thought of saving him from darkness. She's thinking about him through the war, when she heals people. How is that different from Hinata? Maybe Sakura has more screentime than Hinata, that's where your illusion about Hinata thinking about Naruto more than Sakura does with Sasuke came from.

Re-read the manga - every time Sakura thinks of Sasuke as an inspiration or motivation for her actions, she thinks of Naruto as well. She is doing what she is doing for BOTH of her teammates.

• When asking Tsunade to train her - Naruto's words inspired her to ask, and BOTH Naruto and Sasuke are shown behind her
• When Sakura is discussing going after Akatsuki and Orochimaru, she thinks "This time, I will protect them BOTH"
• When facing off against Itachi, Sakura thinks "This is the person who made Sasuke-kun AND Naruto suffer so much!"
• When facing off against Sasori to get information about Orochimaru - She imagines BOTH Naruto (I promised I would help him this time) and Sasuke
• When Naruto goes KN4 against Orochimaru, and she tries to snap him out of it, she yells, "I'll save Sasuke FOR YOU!"
• At the first reunion with Sasuke, what kicks her into action is Naruto being hurt, and again thinking of her promise to help Naruto the next time
• At the summit, Sakura tells Naruto that she doesn't want Naruto to chase after Sasuke anymore if it puts him in danger.
• Sakura decided to try and kill Sasuke because she loves Sasuke AND because she wants to take the burden off of Naruto (and Kakashi).

Naruto has been just as, if not more of, an influence/motivator for Sakura.

Maybe you're right, that Hinata wouldn't be jealous of the hug. But that still doesn't explain Sakura's behavior in front of her. That's why I don't think Sakura hugged Naruto romantically. It was out of worry and emotions. I doubt Sakura would try to hurt Hinata by hugging Naruto so it's platonic hug. NS pictures Sakura in a bad light, one of the reasons I dislike it.
If you're depending on the crowd so much, why weren't they happy when Sakura confessed? Lee was facepalming, Kiba was pissed, and Yamato(love cupid gone wrong) was willing to stop Sakura from what she was doing and Kakashi was looking suspicious. Crowds reaction cannot support a pairing.

The crowd during the hug definitely proved that the hug came off as romantic. Hell, one little girl is even making the classic "how romantic" pose/expression. Hinata is not okay with the hug - she has the dot bubbles next to her, indicating there is something off with her.

The confession at the summit is an entirely different situation. Sakura is lying to Naruto about being over Sasuke, possibly lying about her feelings for Naruto (depending on your interpretation), and is definitely not doing what the group traveled all the way to the summit to do - tell Naruto that the rookie's have decided Sasuke needs to die. Why on earth wouldn't they be pissed? There is A LOT more going on during the confession scene than in the hug scene that Sakura expressing romantic feelings for Naruto.

You say Naruto makes Sakura happy while Sasuke doesn't? Love doesn't always bring happiness, it's also negative emotions. Sakura doesn't see Naruto as a brother huh.gif ? What evidence? All I've seen is them acting like siblings.

When was the last time Sasuke made Sakura smile? When was the last time Naruto made Sakura smile? That should answer the first question easily. And yes, love doesn't always bring happiness, but there is nothing positive in the portrayal of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to counter balance the sadness Sasuke brings her. There is also the fact that Sasuke has never shown any romantic inclination towards Sakura in the entirety of the manga.

There are plenty of moments proving that Sakura doesn't think of Naruto as a brother.
Chapter 245 - Sakura blushes on first sight of Naruto, and then blushes when asking Naruto if he thinks she looks more womanly. She is blatantly asking Naruto to check her out - not something a sister asks her brother to do. To further prove that Sakura is reacting to Naruto's physical appearance, she thinks later on "So Naruto hasn't just matured in appearance..."

Sakura offers to feed Naruto ramen and Naruto blushes in response. Naruto is not Hinata, blushing every time Sakura pays attention to him or does something nice for him. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that Sakura's offer was suggestive, thus causing Naruto to blush. Again, sister's don't make suggestive offers to their brothers.

Sakura hugs Naruto intimately enough to make the villagers blush, one little girl to make the classic "how romantic expression", and for Hinata to get a speech bubble with dots. Again, clearly demonstrating that her actions are coming off as non-platonic.

I have my reasons for supporting SS. Sakura can be very happy with Sasuke if he'll be redeemed. Fighting next to him always made her happy when they were still together on Team 7.

You have zero proof that Sasuke can make Sakura happy - she was happy when they were all on a team, not just Sasuke and Sakura alone. Look back at Sakura's confession to Sasuke - "you never talked to me" and "you always just hated me". She only thought of moments with Team 7 together.

Sasuke has no romantic feelings for Sakura; she would never be happy long term in a relationship with someone who isn't in love with her.

Also, Naruto makes her happy more than Sasuke does. Wouldn't that make Naruto a better option for Sakura by your logic?

Not the Sakura=Kushina theory again facepalm.png! I say the same thing...NS depending on parallels makes it a really poor pairing.
Knowing Naruto, he was kidding about liking Sakura's forehead. He never 'admired' Sakura's forehead again, if he likes it so much like you say, we would probably hear him complimenting it many times.

Hinata only called Naruto a proud loser once, and never again, so she must have been kidding about thinking that about Naruto See how flawed that logic is?

He likes Sakura's physical appearance, that much is reoccurring - its not much of a stretch to think that Sakura's forehead is included in that, since he's said he liked it before.

Minato was serious about liking Kushina's hair.

And he said that how many times again? Oh yeah - ONCE.

You're trying to force MinaKushi to be a NS parallel, when there is no proof in the manga that Kushina punched Minato. They were a agreeable, loving couple. Again, speculations, it's all NS is feeding on

NaruSaku doesn't need the parallels to be credible, or most likely to be canon. They are just the icing on the cake. That being said, Sakura and Kushina both looked down on Naruto and Minato at the beginning. Naruto and Minato complimented the physical feature of them that they felt most insecure about. There are significant parallels here.

Naruto susposed to surpass his master in more serious matters, like becoming the child of prophecy and save the world. Romance is a private thing and doesn't have anything to do with surpassing someone. You can't surpass someone in love life. What for? That argument actually leads nowhere.

Your argument makes no sense. You most certainly can surpass someone in love life - by finding and obtaining love, where the elder never obtained it. The distinction about Naruto only surpassing Jiraiya in "serious matters" is based on absolutely nothing. Kishimoto very clearly laid out Jiraiya's failures and regrets, that Naruto was destined to surpass him in - all very serious. Saving a teacher, saving a friend, and winning the heart of the girl who always turned him down. You don't think love is important?

Sakura knows what she feels for both Naruto and Sasuke, it shows in chapter 540. She isn't confused. Rest is speculation and NS's dream. I don't see the most developed feelings of Sakura and Hinata to be pushed back and turned down in the end. But that's my opinion, given how developed they are.

But you expect Naruto's feelings, which are equally as developed as Sakura's and Hinata's and who is also the main character, to be pushed back and turned down in the end. NaruSaku is the ONLY pairing in which the unrequited side has shown signs of reciprocation. Another reason why Naruto's feelings are far less likely to be the ones to go unrequited, as opposed to Hinata's feelings for Naruto and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Neither of the boys have ever shown any non-platonic feelings for the respective girls.

And Sakura was silent on her feelings for Naruto in 540; if she hasn't been able to recognize or properly label her feelings for Naruto at this point, then of course she wouldn't think of Naruto when talking about the person she loves. Not only does Yamato's speech to Sakura in 297 suggest that Sakura has strong romantic feelings for Naruto that she in unaware of, data book 3 outright states it.

Edited by Paptala, 22 May 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Whoever that person is, he or she obviously caters to NaruHina and SasuSaku just like we prefer NaruSaku. I don't really see a reason for laughing at her because she thinks differently. Especially if she hasn't insulted you personally, I don't really see why you would post those replies in order to just mock or laugh at them. '^^ Since it seems that you cannot debate fully with that person, and actually need help holding your own with seeing others interpretations, than its rather silly to laugh at her arguments in which you can't rebut.


I wish we could cool down on the insults toward the other fandoms. If we all believe in NS, then there's little reason to desperately defend the pairing in this way, as well as antagonize the others. To me that just shows insecurity on our part.

But on what grounds could they realistically defend NH or SS? Not that I disagree that it is childish to insult other fan bases and isn't productive to say the least, but the question is why do they like their pairings first of all. Because of superficial reason that's why; NH think that Hinata is the perfect type for Naruto just cause they don't like Sakura hitting him, and don't understand the concept of tsunderes. Hinata is plainly just a back up girl because they just find Sakura annoying and brand that since she's the only girl that liked Naruto since the start, she should officially be his girlfriend. SS thinks thinks that for some delusional reason that Sasuke would make Sakura happy when it's in obvious sight he's just making her miserable, simply from the fact that he's her first crush, and its okay to be with your first crush even if it's for petty, shallow reasons. Now I'm not saying all of NH or SS are like that and I'm not bashing NH or SS fans; Some of them are quite nice and at least try to see our point of view even if they don't agree with it. I'm just stating the mind set of the ones that cling to the pairing and throw evidence to the wind just to make it "SENSIBLE" and bash our fandom for getting in their way so to speak. Now that's done, YES there's no point in bringing up an opposing argument just to laugh at someone because we know it sounds wrong. That leads to out of control messes that could cause a thread to be closed so to everyone on this site, let's not repeat that again.

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 May 2012 - 01:39 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I'll take a stab at that reply :-)

Naruto is 99% of what her character is shown caring about - everything else seems to come second. Sure, she has a few moments here and there where she's shown giving Kiba medicine or a panel worrying about her bodyguard, but all of her motivations and actions seem to be driven by her feelings for Naruto. Let's see:

• Naruto fighting Kiba - (I want to cheer for Naruto, but I don't want Kiba to get mad -- Naruto takes precedence over her team mates)
• During her fight with Neji - (I can't look this bad in front of Naruto!)
• Passing out after that fight - (did I make an impression on Naruto?)
• At the training fields - (all about cheering up Naruto)
• During the Naruto and Neji fight - (only worried about Naruto - who cares about the branch family/main family antagonism?)
• After VOTE fight - (Hinata was too shy to go see Naruto; who cares that Sasuke defected and Neji almost died?)
• Hinata sees Naruto off - she wants to get stronger because of Naruto

Conclusion: Part 1 = Hinata totally revolving around her feelings for Naruto

• Hinata introduced again - blushing about how she's not ready to see Naruto; blushes and faints (improving herself? who cares if we see anything about that?)
• Hinata is assigned to the same team as Naruto - ("Let's do our best Naruto!" "Watch out Naruto!" - lolwhocaresaboutyamato - more worry about Naruto - does one jutsu to help track down Sasuke)
• Hinata watching the Pein fight (worry worry worry over Naruto; love confession/suicide; cry over Naruto - lolwhocaresaboutherteammates/ lets just abandon our bodyguard with a broken leg!)
• Fighting in the war - I'm fighting for Naruto! I want to hold his hand! (lolhyuugafamilydramaleftforneji'scharacteralone)

Conclusion: Part 2 = Hinata totally revolving around her feelings for Naruto.

No bashing of Hinata meant, but that's just the truth of the matter.

It's called a theme - the newer generation will always surpass the old is an idea that Kishimoto has made very clear in his story. Team 7 is /obviously/ a parallel to the original 3 Sannin, and Kishimoto laid out Jiraiya's failures/regrets at the end of his life very clearly. This implies very strongly that Naruto is going to succeed where Jiraiya failed - saving his teacher, saving his friend, and winning over the girl who always turned him down.

Sure, you can call it a weak argument if you want, but its a valid argument nonetheless, and is the least of the proof NaruSaku has supporting its potential canon-status. NaruSaku has parallels strengthening it, but it certainly doesn't need them to make a convincing argument as to why its most likely to become canon.

Sure, Naruto likes Hinata as a friend. But to compare Naruto's feelings for Hinata to his feelings for Sakura is simply laughable. Was she one of the people to save him from the hell of loneliness? Was she the one constantly by his side when he was struggling to get Sasuke back? Was she the one that Naruto was willing to push aside him emotions for so she'd be happy? Was she the one who he blushed over and gave smitten looks? No - she's not. Sakura holds a special place in Naruto's heart, one that Hinata will never be able to replace.

When Naruto made the blood oath he barely knew Hinata; he hadn't spoken more than a few words to her. He was angry because the things Neji was saying was hitting all of Naruto's buttons, so to speak. He would have reacted the same way had it been any other person down there being subjected to Neji's abuse.

The POAL, however, was very clearly about Naruto acknowledging Sakura's romantic feelings, and making a conscious decision to push aside his own feelings for her in order to make her happy. Hence the heartbroken look on his face when commenting to Sakura that she really loves Sakura, and that he knows exactly how much pain she's in. Concrete proof that the POAL was a romantic moment - this is the moment Sakura flashes back to after Sai tells her that Naruto loves her - this is what confirms his feelings for her in her mind.

The blood oath has never been brought back up again after the fight with Neji, not by Naruto or Hinata in any shape, way or form.

No, speculation would be claiming that Naruto's feelings for Hinata have changed when there is literally nothing in the manga to support such a claim. Naruto is treating her just the same as he did in chapter 98 - he seems to view her as a friend, who is strong (he already commented on this during Hinata's fight with Neji in part one). There is no blushing, no smitten looks, nothing at all to indicate that he views her in any sort of non-platonic light.

First of all, loving someone doesn't have anything to do with thinking that you are going to be with them; please see Naruto's feelings for Sakura. He has loved her for years, but believes her to be in love with Sasuke, and thus doesn't seem to harbor serious hopes of actually getting together with her.

Second, Sasuke's redemption won't change anything, because even at the height of Sasuke and Sakura's relationship (the Forest of Death portion of the chuunin exams), Sasuke never showed any romantic interest in Sakura - why should he do so now? Sakura herself said at the end of part one that he "never talked to her" and that he "always just hated her".

Third, if you're going to accept data book information as true on its face, then you also have to take as true what Sakura's entry said about her feelings for Naruto in data book 3:

Databook Entry --Click here to view--

Its different when you are killing a person because of a mission - trying to kill your own teammates is a bad thing, even in the Naruto-verse. Why else would the rookies, the good guys of the manga, decide that Sasuke needs to die? Why else would Sakura, the person who you are so sure loves Sasuke, decide that he needs to die as well? Kakashi even decided that Sasuke needed to be taken out.

All throughout the summit fight with Sasuke, Sakura was continuously reminded by Kakashi and Karin that Sasuke is now a different person. Sakura herself thought twice about how much Sasuke has changed. Then we get 540, where Sakura is picturing a malevolent looking Sasuke wreathed in black flames with a miserable expression on her face. Whatever conclusion Kishimoto wanted the readers to take away from that scene is certainly nothing positive about the state of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, that's for sure.

Re-read the manga - every time Sakura thinks of Sasuke as an inspiration or motivation for her actions, she thinks of Naruto as well. She is doing what she is doing for BOTH of her teammates.

• When asking Tsunade to train her - Naruto's words inspired her to ask, and BOTH Naruto and Sasuke are shown behind her
• When Sakura is discussing going after Akatsuki and Orochimaru, she thinks "This time, I will protect them BOTH"
• When facing off against Itachi, Sakura thinks "This is the person who made Sasuke-kun AND Naruto suffer so much!"
• When facing off against Sasori to get information about Orochimaru - She imagines BOTH Naruto (I promised I would help him this time) and Sasuke
• When Naruto goes KN4 against Orochimaru, and she tries to snap him out of it, she yells, "I'll save Sasuke FOR YOU!"
• At the first reunion with Sasuke, what kicks her into action is Naruto being hurt, and again thinking of her promise to help Naruto the next time
• At the summit, Sakura tells Naruto that she doesn't want Naruto to chase after Sasuke anymore if it puts him in danger.
• Sakura decided to try and kill Sasuke because she loves Sasuke AND because she wants to take the burden off of Naruto (and Kakashi).

Naruto has been just as, if not more of, an influence/motivator for Sakura.

The crowd during the hug definitely proved that the hug came off as romantic. Hell, one little girl is even making the classic "how romantic" pose/expression. Hinata is not okay with the hug - she has the dot bubbles next to her, indicating there is something off with her.

The confession at the summit is an entirely different situation. Sakura is lying to Naruto about being over Sasuke, possibly lying about her feelings for Naruto (depending on your interpretation), and is definitely not doing what the group traveled all the way to the summit to do - tell Naruto that the rookie's have decided Sasuke needs to die. Why on earth wouldn't they be pissed? There is A LOT more going on during the confession scene than in the hug scene that Sakura expressing romantic feelings for Naruto.

When was the last time Sasuke made Sakura smile? When was the last time Naruto made Sakura smile? That should answer the first question easily. And yes, love doesn't always bring happiness, but there is nothing positive in the portrayal of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke to counter balance the sadness Sasuke brings her. There is also the fact that Sasuke has never shown any romantic inclination towards Sakura in the entirety of the manga.

There are plenty of moments proving that Sakura doesn't think of Naruto as a brother.
Chapter 245 - Sakura blushes on first sight of Naruto, and then blushes when asking Naruto if he thinks she looks more womanly. She is blatantly asking Naruto to check her out - not something a sister asks her brother to do. To further prove that Sakura is reacting to Naruto's physical appearance, she thinks later on "So Naruto hasn't just matured in appearance..."

Sakura offers to feed Naruto ramen and Naruto blushes in response. Naruto is not Hinata, blushing every time Sakura pays attention to him or does something nice for him. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that Sakura's offer was suggestive, thus causing Naruto to blush. Again, sister's don't make suggestive offers to their brothers.

Sakura hugs Naruto intimately enough to make the villagers blush, one little girl to make the classic "how romantic expression", and for Hinata to get a speech bubble with dots. Again, clearly demonstrating that her actions are coming off as non-platonic.

You have zero proof that Sasuke can make Sakura happy - she was happy when they were all on a team, not just Sasuke and Sakura alone. Look back at Sakura's confession to Sasuke - "you never talked to me" and "you always just hated me". She only thought of moments with Team 7 together.

Sasuke has no romantic feelings for Sakura; she would never be happy long term in a relationship with someone who isn't in love with her.

Also, Naruto makes her happy more than Sasuke does. Wouldn't that make Naruto a better option for Sakura by your logic?

Hinata only called Naruto a proud loser once, and never again, so she must have been kidding about thinking that about Naruto See how flawed that logic is?

He likes Sakura's physical appearance, that much is reoccurring - its not much of a stretch to think that Sakura's forehead is included in that, since he's said he liked it before.

And he said that how many times again? Oh yeah - ONCE.

NaruSaku doesn't need the parallels to be credible, or most likely to be canon. They are just the icing on the cake. That being said, Sakura and Kushina both looked down on Naruto and Minato at the beginning. Naruto and Minato complimented the physical feature of them that they felt most insecure about. There are significant parallels here.

Your argument makes no sense. You most certainly can surpass someone in love life - by finding and obtaining love, where the elder never obtained it. The distinction about Naruto only surpassing Jiraiya in "serious matters" is based on absolutely nothing. Kishimoto very clearly laid out Jiraiya's failures and regrets, that Naruto was destined to surpass him in - all very serious. Saving a teacher, saving a friend, and winning the heart of the girl who always turned him down. You don't think love is important?

But you expect Naruto's feelings, which are equally as developed as Sakura's and Hinata's and who is also the main character, to be pushed back and turned down in the end. NaruSaku is the ONLY pairing in which the unrequited side has shown signs of reciprocation. Another reason why Naruto's feelings are far less likely to be the ones to go unrequited, as opposed to Hinata's feelings for Naruto and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Neither of the boys have ever shown any non-platonic feelings for the respective girls.

And Sakura was silent on her feelings for Naruto in 540; if she hasn't been able to recognize or properly label her feelings for Naruto at this point, then of course she wouldn't think of Naruto when talking about the person she loves. Not only does Yamato's speech to Sakura in 297 suggest that Sakura has strong romantic feelings for Naruto that she in unaware of, data book 3 outright states it.

Once again Paptala you have owned another argument.

[Don-kun]

Once again Paptala you have owned another argument.

With our argument we can always go to the manga bring up the pages and prove them, with the other is always about personal interpretation, bashing Sakura, removing parallel, ignoring the fact that Naruto is the main character and that he loves Sakura, ignoring the two buys feeling for the girl, so many think they need to do only to believe them self that the paring they supports has more chance.

[kirabook]

While I strongly belive NS will happen, stating that NH will never happen is not the right way to express ourself.
You know how many NH & SS I call out for speaking that way, I ask them if they are Kishimoto? We are not Kishimoto so we cannot speak like that, the most we can say is that NS has more basis, more development, they are really close, they make more sense, but for the book even the horrendous SS cn still happen.

Look at her expresion --Click here to view--

You misunderstood me. I never said NaruHina couldn't happen, but at that moment in time, there's just no way Naruto was in love with Hinata then. I'm not quick to jump to definite conclusions, that does nothing but set yourself up for failure and disappointment if you try that on something that isn't static.

I never got an "I'm jealous" vibe from that panel. I felt she was concentrating on fixing her up and probably realizing that other people liked Naruto that way. But jealousy? Eh...

Edited by kirabook, 22 May 2012 - 03:49 AM.

[redragon88]

I'll take a stab at that reply :-)

And you sure did.

Paptala, I'm amazed at how you get the energy to make so many replies. I'm beginning to think the you spend a lot of time with a certain duo of guy who always keep talking about the power of youth. It seems their high tension is rubbing off on you.

[Don-kun]

You misunderstood me. I never said NaruHina couldn't happen, but at that moment in time, there's just no way Naruto was in love with Hinata then. I'm not quick to jump to definite conclusions, that does nothing but set yourself up for failure and disappointment if you try that on something that isn't static.

I never got an "I'm jealous" vibe from that panel. I felt she was concentrating on fixing her up and probably realizing that other people liked Naruto that way. But jealousy? Eh...

Many NS fans believe that Sakura wasn't happy about the realization of (another girl haven deep feelings and was willing to risk her life for him) if she was concentrating on fixing her up and probably realizing that other people liked Naruto that way (in a romatic way) but it doesn't bother her at all, then 3 things should've happen.
1- Sakura would be happy for Hinata only by giving her a tender smile.
2- Sakura would make Naruto more aware of Hinata's feelings.
3- She would never hug Naruto tenderly without thinking what Hinata might think.
Her confession should count too, she went with the idea to drop her feelings for Sasuke and offered Naruto a relationship with herself knowing that Hinata loves him.
So your point is more invalid to me.
The vibes Sakura gives me and her behavior before and after that event. What about her personal feelings for Naruto? Not because Hinata loves Naruto she need to back off, what about her feeling and the fact that he likes her too?

Many of the opposition think that Sakura was sad because Hinata loves Naruto the same way she loves Sasuke and both were willing to risk their life for the man they love. Sakura was sad because just like she & Sasuke, Naruto doesn't return Hinata's feelings.
I chose jealous because she was not happy about it and counter the opposing idea, with the three-four points I mention before.

If I recall Naruto give us that same face when Sakura hugged Sasuke in the hospital and in the Poal. Honestly you're going on like if Sakura been jealous or not comfortable with the idea of someone else having a deep affection for Naruto is something bad? It shows us that she really cares for Naruto and she doesn't want to lose him to another girl.

[kirabook]

I didn't think of any realizations other than the possible, "Oh, someone else likes Naruto this way too." I don't think she'd smile about Hinata liking Naruto, their entire village was just destroyed and Naruto is still fighting somewhere after transforming into something even higher than 4 tails. That said, I don't think she feels great or feels bad about Hinata liking Naruto, it's just a realization. I also didn't see any relation to how she feels about Sasuke or whatever, that's kind of stupid. Naruto is nothing like Sasuke.

Jealousy is an ugly thing, I just don't see that emotion in that panel. I don't think she is worried about Hinata's feelings too much. Heck, after the battle she hugged Naruto in front of everyone and Hinata didn't even cross his or her mind it seems. When she went and confessed to him, Hinata didn't come into the picture whatsoever. From what we could see, Sakura did not even think about her love before or after the confession.

If she were actually jealous, Hinata would be a constant thought whenever she thinks about Naruto. I don't want to give Sakura an emotion she doesn't have. There's nothing for her to to worry about/feel anxious about/feel angry about in the present, Naruto doesn't love Hinata, and him knowing that she loves him changes nothing if they have no development.

My definition of jealousy does not fit the mood of what's going on that chapter.

Edited by kirabook, 22 May 2012 - 03:05 PM.

[Don-kun]

Agree to disagree let's leave it at that.

[Chew]

I agree with Kirabook on some points there. It was more of a realization that someone else harbors romantic feelings toward him. To me, it somehow goes back to Sakura's resolve- Sakura always thinks of herself as doing insignificant things and being a burden. For some reason, this scene in which someone asked "Why did she [Hinata] do it?" and then Sakura thought "Hinata...loves...Naruto..." made me think of her having the previously stated realization, and also her internally questioning her resolve. Of course, if she were explicitly doing that, we might have been shown a panel to prove it, but for me, this is an implicit assumption.

On the other hand, we can't just scrap the jealousy idea. I couldn't really feel the jealousy in the panel, but others may have. And in that perspective, I can sort of see why. Kishimoto's characterization of Sakura was the most realistic of Team 7- the closest to actual human reactions, emotions, realizations etc. She was meant to be a character we as the audience can most relate to. Most (I'm not saying all) people do get jealous when they realize that someone that they like is also the object of someone else's affections, and then we see a reaction to that jealousy. The action in this case is the grand romantic gesture in front of the entire village. However, I also contest this because of the situation surrounding the hug- Naruto had just, for crying out loud, almost gotten himself killed defeating a very powerful enemy. Sakura's hug in my opinion was based off of this concern, not out of jealousy. Still, for others that believe in the jealousy theory, I'm saying we shouldn't just discard the idea because there is a sort of basis (even if it's a little shaky)

By the way, I doubt Sakura's thought process was "That Hinata like my Naruto- IMMA HUG HIM IN FRONT OF EVERYONE." Although it would've been funny if it was

As for N/H and S/S fans that continuously rebut N/S as being a simple sibling bond and not a complicated, obscure yet overt romantic bond- please re-read the manga. There are many panels in which Kishi implies something along the lines of romance- otherwise, the panel wouldn't be there. Even the minor panel where Tazuna asked "What happened- some sort of love triangle?" shows something. Kishi doesn't write things without purpose. As long as I've read, every panel has served some sort of purpose. The love letter in chapter 540 served a purpose. Why would Kishi randomly insert a panel in which Sakura receives a love letter? He wouldn't. It wasn't a N/S moment, but it definitely wasn't a positive S/S moment. Besides, if she had thought of Naruto in 540, then the tension and suspense would no longer be there. The beauty of N/S is all in the implied and obscure actions that show you rather than tell you. Sakura may not be shown overtly reciprocating Naruto's feelings as she was for Sasuke's in Part I, but it is implied by how much she worries about him and puts his needs over her own. Chapter 551 (or 552, one of those) shows Sakura comforting Naruto on Tsunade's comatose state, but in the back of her mind thinks about how she's the one that needs comforting. This small moment alone shows just how much she's willing to do for Naruto. (Side note: When I first read that panel, her expression reminded me of how she looked when she realized Hinata loved Naruto, and I actually thought that's what she needed comforting about. But because of Kishi's ambiguous nature, anything can happen.)

On a final note, N/H and S/S fans always forget the main character's feelings: NARUTO is the hero of this story. Shouldn't his feelings, by the power of good storytelling, matter more in the end? What does the main character want? Last I checked, the story revolved around Naruto's goals: saving Sasuke and becoming Hokage. I don't see why winning over the girl he loves (Sakura) couldn't be on that list.

Okay, Chew is done typing.

[ichaichamaster]

my take on that is it wasn't jelous. sakura realized something. you know how she feels about not having done huge things for naruto? well i think sakura seeing hinata risking her life for naruto made sakura sad for not doing anything like for naruto and inspired her to take out sasuke, so that naruto doesn't have to, even if that meant him hating her. one more thing. do you remember chiyo saying save the one you truly love? if she killed sasuke she would have saved naruto from getting emotionatly hurt

[Don-kun]

Well jealousy is a very strong word to use. But I'm pretty sure Sakura felt something in that moment. Like you guys mention before jealousy is a very strong word sorry about that you people are right, but the she did feel something that was not happiness or encouragement about Hinata's. I dont think she would of try to have a relationship with Naruto or ignore Hinata. I will change jealousy to disappointed in herself, for not been there for Naruto like Hinata did. That sounds more realistic that jealousy.

Edited by donjoseph19, 22 May 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[kirabook]

Jealousy is strong, ugly, and emotional, but I'd like not to taint her hug as some kind of silly jealous reaction. She was truly worried for Naruto, not about what romances he could be in. I highly doubt that was a reaction to any kind of jealousy at all.

The timing was just wrong, it doesn't feel like jealousy at all. I mean, later on if things settle down or something, jealousy could be entirely possible, but that scene is way too serious for jealousy. Sakura used to get jealous, we all know how her and Ino were. So I guess it's not out of the question, but this reaction is nothing like how it was back then.

I can't really see it at all, unless they took her deep expression as being angry or something... I hadn't known people thought Sakura was jealous at that moment. Something else maybe, but I think it was just more of a strong realization and self reflection initiated by what she saw Hinata do for the person she most likely loves too.

Edited by kirabook, 22 May 2012 - 05:11 PM.

[Don-kun]

Now you're exaggerating like always.
I Put it like her not being so happy about it, example: I already know that Ana likes me, but I don't feel the same way, and one of our friend risk his life to save hers because he loves her. Now if I don't have any feelings for Ana what would be my first move.
- Start asking her questions about our friend.
- Try to let her know how he feels.
- I would never confess my love to her if that is not how I feel and worse if I know one of our friends really loves her.

But if I do like Ana I will never speak with Ana about the other boy, if I do the first thing will cross her mind is that I'm pushing her away because I want her to notice someone else. I will never feel the same way for her.

That's the only reason why I say Sakura was not happy about the way Hinata feel for Naruto, if she was she will never try to start a relationship with Naruto if she doesn't have any affection for him.


So now that I was clear with what I meant please stop putting me in a bad light.

[Chew]

I don't think she was jealous at all. Disappointed maybe, obviously not happy (Konoha was just destroyed too...) LOL. But if people do think she was jealous, I can see things from their perspective too even if I don't agree with it all that much.