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[luffyq1]

I don't think Sasuke was that much of a jerk to Sakura as you're making him out to be.

[redragon88]

Whats ridiculous here is that ino has been shown to have feelings for him for as long as sakura has, and she wasn't even ON his team, to me that makes no sense at all.

Actually, isn't that a good thing? Many people are under the impression that Sakura's love for Sasuke is very special given that it has remained intact so far, thus why it will be realized. But then we have Ino sharing similar feelings and yet she wasn't even close to Sasuke.

This very well could serve as an indicator that the romantic feelings Sakura and Ino shared for Sasuke was something they would eventually need to overcome in order to mature. Since we're still not in the end Kishi will keep it going for as long as possible while at the same time showing how neither of the girls are glad with the feelings they have.

[KnS]

I think the key difference is that at least Part 1 was devoted to developing the rise and fall of the relationship with Naruto and Sasuke. That's why Naruto's devotion comes off as stronger and more justified than Sakura's.

Good post. And I agree with you that Naruto's dedication to Sasuke is from Part 1. I liked Sasuke for most of Part I myself. But since the VotE? Like I said, what has Sasuke done for Naruto lately? Not much, and certainly nothing positive.

I believe Naruto can still reach Sasuke on some level, and I admire Naruto's determination, but that doesn't mean I don't struggle to understand how Sasuke still deserves any of it. But that's just me.

And again, I get everything you're saying, and I understand how it makes sense within the Narutoverse. It's just that I can't help it that occasionally Real World wisdom creeps in, and I wish Naruto and Sakura -- Kakashi, Karin, etc. -- would shield themselves from the damage Sasuke is willing to inflict on them because of the path he's chosen.

That left me with the impression that maybe sometimes people can let their preference of a pairing prevent them from seeing how another one, given how it fits into the story, is most likely to happen.

I believe this is certainly true in some cases, and it's a phenomenon that happens in a lot of fandoms. Support for Katniss/Gale in the Hunger Games fandom is a good, recent example.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's like I said countless times: you know the relationship is bad when Sakura said you never talk to me to Sasuke. I always feel like that chapter is the end of SS. Yes, Sakura still has those feeling, but if I am supposed to support SS after part 1, why no development between them. "Kill Karin to prove your worthy" is not talking to each other about each other. After part 1, it's barely any conversation and when they do, it's not about them. People would think that when Sakura arrived to Sasuke, she would have talk to him about what's going on and their relationships, but no, it's just a way for her to kill him when he least expected. Again, NS bond doesn't need to develop more after part 1 since they became close friends, so why build more. You can have them together like teammates, but why continue to develop their relationship that doesn't go anywhere but personal feelings that is very serious.

Also, that page with Sasuke telling Sakura to leave him alone is the last conversation before the farewell one. How lovely...

[luffyq1]

Actually, isn't that a good thing? Many people are under the impression that Sakura's love for Sasuke is very special given that it has remained intact so far, thus why it will be realized. But then we have Ino sharing similar feelings and yet she wasn't even close to Sasuke.

This very well could serve as an indicator that the romantic feelings Sakura and Ino shared for Sasuke was something they would eventually need to overcome in order to mature. Since we're still not in the end Kishi will keep it going for as long as possible while at the same time showing how neither of the girls are glad with the feelings they have.

Holy kitten! I never thought about it like that.

Mind blown!

[Zatheko]

Actually, isn't that a good thing? Many people are under the impression that Sakura's love for Sasuke is very special given that it has remained intact so far, thus why it will be realized. But then we have Ino sharing similar feelings and yet she wasn't even close to Sasuke.

This very well could serve as an indicator that the romantic feelings Sakura and Ino shared for Sasuke was something they would eventually need to overcome in order to mature. Since we're still not in the end Kishi will keep it going for as long as possible while at the same time showing how neither of the girls are glad with the feelings they have.

Sure it's a good thing if you look at it like that, but my point is her love should never have been that strong in the first place ya know?

And yeah I've thought about it as being something they are supposed to eventually overcome, and i would see this as a huge development for their characters.

Edited by zatheko, 29 January 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[redragon88]

I believe this is certainly true in some cases, and it's a phenomenon that happens in a lot of fandoms. Support for Katniss/Gale in the Hunger Games fandom is a good, recent example.

Gale was that friend of Katniss in the beginning of the film, right?

I think the same could be said about the whole Team Edward and Team Jacob thing from Twilight. I find it funny that I haven't seen any of the Twilight movies and yet I hear so many people complain about them that I feel like I know more than I should.

[KnS]

Actually, isn't that a good thing? Many people are under the impression that Sakura's love for Sasuke is very special given that it has remained intact so far, thus why it will be realized. But then we have Ino sharing similar feelings and yet she wasn't even close to Sasuke.

This very well could serve as an indicator that the romantic feelings Sakura and Ino shared for Sasuke was something they would eventually need to overcome in order to mature. Since we're still not in the end Kishi will keep it going for as long as possible while at the same time showing how neither of the girls are glad with the feelings they have.

Considering both girls' interest in Sasuke was initially fueled by their competition for his affection, it doesn't cast the best or most mature light on their respective feelings for him. Sakura, at least, got to know Sasuke as a teammate and eventually saw him as more than a trophy. Although I don't think that equates to true love, I think it does mean on some level her care for Sasuke is genuine and meaningful. That's why she's confused.

Gale was that friend of Katniss in the beginning of the film, right?

Yes.

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Gale was in love with Katniss from the beginning, and there were reasons to root for him and for them to end up together. He was a good guy and a sympathetic character. But as the story went on, it became obvious that Katniss would end up with Peeta, even though she remained conflicted about and loyal to Gale.

I think the same could be said about the whole Team Edward and Team Jacob thing from Twilight. I find it funny that I haven't seen any of the Twilight movies and yet I hear so many people complain about them that I feel like I know more than I should.

You're right, except Stephenie Meyer purposely messed with people's heads about Bella/Jacob, so I don't blame fans who believed in that ship. It's the same with SS and NH. I cut those fans slack too, because Kishimoto is purposely muddying the waters himself. When authors do that you can't expect that entrenched shipping camps won't form.

For the record, I try not to mention Twilight much, because people are so hateful and rude about it. You'll notice I didn't use Harry/Hermione as an example either.

Edited by KnS, 29 January 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[That Uchiha]

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We have different interpretations of Sasuke's actions here.

The first one, yeah, I'll agree it was rude. This was when Sasuke was starting his jealousy phase.

The others, well, yes Sasuke's speech may come off as rude but that's how he talks to everyone. I think its Sasuke's way of telling her not to worry about him. He knew she cared and he appreciated her for it (hence the "Thank You"), but he couldn't let her into his life.

Naruto does this too (in a more polite way of course) whenever Sakura worries about him. They both have walls that Sakura tries ( and fails) to break down, they're not trying to be jerks.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We have different interpretations of Sasuke's actions here.

The first one, yeah, I'll agree it was rude. This was when Sasuke was starting his jealousy phase.

The others, well, yes Sasuke's speech may come off as rude but that's how he talks to everyone. I think its Sasuke's way of telling her not to worry about him. He knew she cared and he appreciated her for it (hence the "Thank You"), but he couldn't let her into his life.

Naruto does this too (in a more polite way of course) whenever Sakura worries about him. They both have walls that Sakura tries ( and fails) to break down, they're not trying to be jerks.

That may be, but the conclusion that Sakura drew is what really matter in the end. To make the relationship works, both must be connected. Both must cooperate together. Sasuke may care for her, but she didn't draw that approach, so she only felt that Sasuke really doesn't like her. She can soon draw that he cares for her, but the idea of love is long gone. She can love him all she wants, but I do believe her and Sasuke being together is over. You can love a guy, but you can also think that it's not going to happen. For example, Sasuke is back to Konoha and Sakura is happy. What's next? Sakura already got the rejected feeling, so I don't think she expects him to change his feelings asap. I guess it's one of those moments "If you love him/her, you would let it go."

I will repeat it again: you know the relationship is bad when Sakura said you never talk to me to Sasuke. I always feel like that chapter is the end of SS. Yes, Sakura still has those feeling, but if I am supposed to support SS after part 1, why no development between them. "Kill Karin to prove your worthy" is not talking to each other about each other. After part 1, it's barely any conversation and when they do, it's not about them. People would think that when Sakura arrived to Sasuke, she would have talk to him about what's going on and their relationships, but no, it's just a way for her to kill him when he least expected. Again, NS bond doesn't need to develop more after part 1 since they became close friends, so why build more. You can have them together like teammates, but why continue to develop their relationship that doesn't go anywhere but personal feelings that is very serious.

Don't worry, not going to change your mind. I'm just stating my thoughts.

[luffyq1]

that love grew all on it's own at a steady pace without outside help.

In this instance it took Sasuke to reject Sakura to even consider being nicer to Naruto. Outside help? Most definitely.

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Yet another instance. In this one she's not even considering in someone else having a hand in her rescue. She's so blind by her infatuation that she places all the gratitude on Sasuke and Sasuke alone.

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And it is Sasuke who points the ignorant Sakura in the right direction. And in the process she gives Naruto one of the many warms looks.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Sasuke has in someway brought Sakura closer to Naruto.

The others, well, yes Sasuke's speech may come off as rude but that's how he talks to everyone. I think its Sasuke's way of telling her not to worry about him. He knew she cared and he appreciated her for it (hence the "Thank You"), but he couldn't let her into his life.

Naruto does this too (in a more polite way of course) whenever Sakura worries about him. They both have walls that Sakura tries ( and fails) to break down, they're not trying to be jerks.

The clear difference is the fact that, like you said, Naruto was polite in this regard. Sasuke is just cold towards Sakura, you don't see so much as a smile on his face when he tells her to mind her own business. But when Naruto tries to ease Sakura's worries, he puts a smile on his face. There's a clear difference here in the way the boys treat Sakura.

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[Chucky-kun]

Sasuke, the black thread of fate.

[narulsaku]

agree with luffyq1. sasuke just never showed any romantic feeling for sakura. all he cared about before is to kill itachi and gain more and more power. so @that uchiha -- i dont understand that i mean i personally dont think that sasuke has ever thought about sakuras feelings or condition. and remember the water ninjas. when they cought naruto, sakura, and sasuke in the lake. the three were drowing naruto created rasangan and sakura was about to drown.naruto saved her but sasuke was just like nothing has happened. he didnt even tried to save her.

[kirabook]

In this instance it took Sasuke to reject Sakura to even consider being nicer to Naruto. Outside help? Most definitely.

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Yet another instance. In this one she's not even considering in someone else having a hand in her rescue. She's so blind by her infatuation that she places all the gratitude on Sasuke and Sasuke alone.

there's more --Click here to view--

And it is Sasuke who points the ignorant Sakura in the right direction. And in the process she gives Naruto one of the many warms looks.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Sasuke has in someway brought Sakura closer to Naruto.

By that I meant positive, "You know, Naruto is a good guy, you should really look his way" type of help.

The closet thing to that is when Sasuke corrected Sakura when she thought he saved her from Gaara and Sai's recent... I don't even know what you call that, but I suppose it was 'positive'.

Other than that, I don't think Sasuke rejecting Sakura lead her to becoming closer to Naruto in the long run. Yes, it helped her understand Naruto a bit more at the very beginning of the relationship, but after that, I don't recall and outside motivation of her to grow closer to Naruto. Even before Sasuke ran away, Sakura was still becoming good friends with Naruto and supporting him because she wanted to, not because she was encouraged o do so by someone else. (Unless my memory is whack and someone was constantly pointing her in Naruto's direction)

In the end, similar to when Sasuke rejected her, the POAL was an initial click that would .... I don't want to say draw them closer together exactly, but.... *can't find the words* would 'tie' them together I guess (same meaning), but as we can see, the POAL hardly matters to Sakura anymore, now she puts Naruto above Sasuke and the POAL.

[redragon88]

Sasuke, the black thread of fate.

[kirabook]

On the other hand, I think Naruto has constantly been encouraging Sakura's love with Sasuke, trying to help her renew her faith in him returning to her and giving her a false vision that Sasuke is still the Sasuke he used to be. That's changing now obviously, I think even Naruto is starting to slowly see that. (But we all know he still thinks he can "save" Sasuke.)

[narulsaku]

i do not agree with ya kira book .not this time. naruto is doing those things that can make sakura happy. and he told himself that he personally wants to save sasuke , as ya said. its not just a promise to sakura anymore. he just want to see sakura happy . if he has to leave her for this he ll i am sure enough .but we all know this is not going to happen right?

[kirabook]

It WAS a promise to Sakura. That promise wasn't broken until recently. Before then, Naruto was under the POAL where he "Promised to bring Sasuke back for her" and of course, himself.

Even during Sakura's confession, Naruto insisted that she's supposed to love Sasuke. He's been supporting Sakura's love for Sasuke the entire time, not taking advantage of his absence at all. (then again, for 3 of those 4-5 years, Naruto wasn't around either. And I mean serious advantage, like trying to convince Sakura that Sasuke isn't worth it and she should look at him instead. Not his lighthearted dates and whatnot.)

[PhenixElite]

It WAS a promise to Sakura. That promise wasn't broken until recently. Before then, Naruto was under the POAL where he "Promised to bring Sasuke back for her" and of course, himself.

Even during Sakura's confession, Naruto insisted that she's supposed to love Sasuke. He's been supporting Sakura's love for Sasuke the entire time, not taking advantage of his absence at all. (then again, for 3 of those 4-5 years, Naruto wasn't around either. And I mean serious advantage, like trying to convince Sakura that Sasuke isn't worth it and she should look at him instead. Not his lighthearted dates and whatnot.)

And he supported sakuras love for sasuke to make her happy. Of course hes not taking advantage out of sasukes absence since he knew that it was sasuke who makes her happy. Dont really see the problem right now.

[narulsaku]

seriously kirabook if naruto will do that he ll fall down in my eyes . i do admire his care and love for sakura. he has got a unique character. he wont do that ever. he just wanted to make her happy. as he could see the sorrow on her face after sasuke left he promised her to just make her happy. and by the way what happened to ya. you were a huge fan of narusaku and one of my idal shipper. from your talking it appears that you dont believe in it any more.