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#9341 Darkness

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:29 PM

You know, I think it's funny that our new opponent in this debate thread is not NH or SS. It's.....Ourselves!

 

Well, this is a debate thread after all so it's good to see it fulfilling its purpose. But no matter what road we choose to follow, our destiny is the same. (wow, where the hell did I come up with this? :twitch:  )

Awesome, Darkness.  Just awesome. 

 

Did you edit that scan?

 

Thanks man. That image I've found while searching for the original one, sweet irony. So I decided to use it in the end, and just had to add the words.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:41 PM

You guys make a good point. You know, it's a bit funny how much downplay 615 has become. Look, I'm not here to bash or decline her love, but her case hasn't been centered for a long time and she really becomes the background, which is given being side character. That said the running joke now is NaruShika if approve NaruHina in the latest. It's actually hard to accept.

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:43 PM

 

Well, this is a debate thread after all so it's good to see it fulfilling its purpose. But no matter what road we choose to follow, our destiny is the same. (wow, where the hell did I come up with this? :twitch:  )

 

 

Thanks man. That image I've found while searching for the original one, sweet irony. So I decided to use it in the end, and just had to add the words.

Essa imagem foi postada varias vezes mas e muito engraçado cara.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:53 PM

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

Thinking about what Sakura might be thinking makes my head hurt. 

real girl here, but I have a headache trying to think about what shes thinking too..

imo, the confession to naruto were fake, she was unable to kill sasuke later because of her lingering love.

that doesnt mean she dont love naruto too. anybody can see that she's really hurting when she heard naruto is hurt because of her, and the constant danger his jinjuriki status brings him, and most of all sasuke.

when somebody u cares about deeply is hurt, you'll automatically feel hurt too.

so i think the confession was her way to make up for naruto's pains. even if it's not a real confession. anything to make the person you care about feel better.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:56 PM

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

Thinking about what Sakura might be thinking makes my head hurt. 

I'm a real girl. :ninja:

 

Sakura's character is realistic. I think all developed females and some males in the manga is too. But I think she only stands out a bit more because she is a main character and has been expanded more than other females, not because she has something others don't.

 

If you sum up her journey, it may seem realistic to a person who doesn't know the manga. Kishi had to create a realistic concept that many girls can relate to, and expand on that. Many girls grow up with insecurity caused by bullies, many was as immature as her 12 year old self, and many has found out what they thought they wanted wasn't what they really searched for. Her concept was promising, but the expandation has dragged it down in some ways the sasuke way.

 

It's possible that Kishi is aiming for the female audience to see themselves in Sakura, not understand what she is thinking. Because I have no idea. I don't think being a girl is an advantage when analyzing Sakura, I've seen many males here doing it excellently.

 

Oh, and; any real girl would be over Sasuke by now. Many SS fans says her love as loyal. Because no matter what crap he puts her through, she holds on to her feelings. Loyalty..<3 But I don't think she knows the reason, it must be in her subconsciousness. Maybe she doesn't want to deal with her love confusions now because this is a time of war, maybe she wants to hold on to the happy days of Team 7,

 

Creating a realistic girl in a shounen must be very difficult too, it goes against the genre and especially if you're in jump. It must be even more difficult when you're only consciously trying to create realistic character. Sakura can not be titled as "the realistic one" alone. :argh:

 

I also wonder why Kishi tried to create a realistic girl in the first place when he even admitted he doesn't understand real women. :twitch:

 

Bubbly.. :wacko: ///I guess the point is that yes, Sakura has realistic aspects. But I don't think that is a main feature or something unique to her character.


Edited by sushi., 03 October 2013 - 04:58 PM.

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:07 PM

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

What she's thinking right now? It's hard to say because we're never shown anything from her perspective. It's always an outside character making assumptions for her, or the moment gets cut off before the juicy bits are revealed. That being said, I think it's obvious that Sakura is in love with Naruto at this point. As we can see in #649, she's very moved by his desire to protect his friends, and worries that he's carrying too much on his own. For a long time, I've felt that her greatest wish has been to relieve Naruto of his burdens by shouldering as many of them as possible and solving them herself. A good example of this is when she's healing Shikamaru.

 

During the biggest battle of his life, Naruto is unconsciously still trying to save his friends with Kurama's chakra. This resonates with Sakura, as she feels he should be focusing solely on the task before him instead of worrying about the rest of the Alliance. She probably thinks that their prescence is burdening him.

 

"He's still helping his friends recover... While fighting... Naruto! You should do what you have to and leave the rest to us!"

 

When Ino comments that Naruto's will to keep Shikamaru alive triggered the healing component in Kurama's chakra, Sakura immediately takes charge for his sake:

 

"Shikamaru, I won't let you die! Naruto needs you!"

 

There are many other examples of this, such as:

 

1) Her confession.

2) Her attempt to kill Sasuke

3) Her inner monologue on her way to the battle.

4) Her speech to the Alliance.

5) Healing Naruto.

6) Fighting alongside him in #631

 

Just to name a few... So, based on that, I believe her thoughts are revolved around helping Naruto during his time of need. She wants to do everything in her power to run the show behind the scenes so that he can focus on the task at hand - like the stage crew during a play. She's in charge of making sure the props are there, the lights are on, the music is queued, and the curtain goes up so that all he has to worry about are his lines.

 

When their situation settles down, her thoughts may eventually turn to her feelings for Naruto. I believe that she's already in love with him, and I'm sure she will come to that realization very soon if she hasn't already.

 

As for how she operates... Well, you'd have to be able to understand the complexities of the female mind. It's a dark and scary place. I'd rather not go there. :wink:

 

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:14 PM

I forgot one thing which makes her realistic and that is that she is not as traumatized as her the other 3 mains. whoops.

 

Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi all had horrible childhoods. Many people have been lonely, but (hopefully) not to Naruto's extent. So if you tone it down, you may find yourself in Naruto. That is something I've seen the kind youtube reviewers say; "I was also lonely, so I looked at Naruto and related to him. Then I told myself that if he can get friends, I can too."

 

I think what's important is to see the bigger picture, and try to relate to feelings instead of spesific experiences.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:25 PM

Darkrerst,

I've noticed you said you mostly ship NS because you're Naruto-centric and you think he deserves someone better than Sakura, however there's no one else in the manga for him. I was wondering, do you at least genuinely enjoy the pairing, or do you have a "might as well ship it because it'll end up canon" attitude? Just curious.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:26 PM

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

Thinking about what Sakura might be thinking makes my head hurt. 

 

Well, I am a girl. I've always found Sakura very easy to sympathize with, though I can't say I relate to her in regards to Sasuke. Personally, I don't believe she loves Sasuke anymore, and I think she knows it too, (granted, I can't confirm this right now, it's just how I see it) but for so long her ideal version of love was Sasuke and he's completely shattered that girlhood image she had and she's still trying to pick up the pieces. I think she's not sure how to define her feelings for Sasuke since she still cares about him, but also does not trust him and Naruto has come to possess a greater place in her life than Sasuke ever did; she feels very strongly for Naruto, and yet doesn't think she deserves him. Really Sakura's emotions are a big tangled mess, I appreciate their complexity, but I can understand others feeling frustrated and confused by it.

 

I'm not sure if something like that was what you were looking for, or if I made any sense. :sweat:


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:42 PM

Darkrerst,

I've noticed you said you mostly ship NS because you're Naruto-centric and you think he deserves someone better than Sakura, however there's no one else in the manga for him. I was wondering, do you at least genuinely enjoy the pairing, or do you have a "might as well ship it because it'll end up canon" attitude? Just curious.

May I add my thoughts on this? :P

 

I'm not sure if Darkrerst believes this, but either way I think it's the wrong way to look at it that I see is common among the fandom.

 

"Deciding" by yourself what Naruto deserves isn't a rational way to follow the manga. "If I was Naruto, I would so go for Hinata!", "I want to kitten Hinata, but Naruto is close enough", "No one wants a liar as a girlfriend!" etc. Even the other way around; "Who would want a stalker as a girlfriend?".

 

It's a bit sad actually. :unsure:


Edited by sushi., 03 October 2013 - 05:43 PM.

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:46 PM

While there are those who are pro-NS but still debate over the exact meaning of Sakura's actions in 469 and Naruto's reply to Minato in 631. There are a few clear answers to go about it:

 

1. Relating to 469, we know the exact purposes of why she did what she did in 470 after Sai told Naruto everything, even Sakura was hurt from having to lie, its not like she wanted to. Sakura was in a tough situation, she didn't want to be a burden or cause pain to Naruto. Its not merely a matter if what she said was real or not. It has to do with her motive, sacrificing her happiness for Naruto so he could be free of the promise. On what she said, dialouge wise yes it makes sense, but Naruto didn't want her lying to herself or forcing herself to say just love him because its what he wants. Even though its just a filler episode, shippuden 235 really did throw in sense with that senticne "I would never force her to love me" This is the deal many haters always tend to miss, they thought Sakura just "lied or tried to manipulate him" well she did so under the pretenses for his well being, this event didn't end NS as they claim either for reasons in 631 I'll soon mention. But the deal is, remember many people or haters just bypass the fact her actions were based on the promise. Naruto had his own reasons to save Sasuke even before he made the promise, Sakura's sadness over it was just piled up on it, Naruto had reasons for himself and her to get Sasuke back, but after all Sasuke did and made Naruto go through, for Sakura (for what she understood at the time with the whole ordeal between Naruto and Sasuke on her part) was what caused her to go, remember Sakura has a good picture, but not the full picture of the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke, she is highly integrated on it for the team 7 situation and also for the dynamic between her, Naruto and Sasuke but hers isn't at the top priority as it is directly only with Naruto and Sasuke. Her role is important thats for sure. Anyways back on the 469 stuff, from Sakura's actions, could naruto have been mad? Yeah possibly, until Sai told him. Besides it not like he would honestly just get over her all at once even when Sai told her she was being that selfless and sacrfical to his own wellbeing even if it made Naruto hate her. Naruto dreams of Sakura loving him yes, but only on the aspects of if he could have finished the promise and work the courage to tell her or if she came to him on her own choice because she wanted to.

 

Biggest deal of all over 469, was kishi's response to fan input over the event, even he said he decpted sakura as an honest girl with good intentions but her actions at times could be "uneven or unintended" and that she is close to Naruto, but this was back in 2009 or 2010 and yes a lot of time has passed since then. 630 even acted as a development event off of these events with Sakura learning not to depend on Naruto alone or leave him with everything, that was the whole reason for her speech. Was she honest? To a degree, the stuff she said made sense, but did she honestly come to love Naruto yet at that time? No not yet but its practically at present possibly closer to that point. Think of it in a story design point, its to give Sakura a mental conflict, what Naruto had done and what she thought of Sasuke and what he became. It put her in a hard position, her ideals against the reality of things. Yet the grey factor here was also her maturity. Every other character has been maturing, Shikamaru stepped up as a leader, Gaara forgave his father, Naruto isn't going to handle everything alone after what Itachi told him to do. A key for Sakura is yes, that aspect of her maturity. This is why we see the potential seeds of that maturity starting in 635 with her not trusting Sasuke. She may overcome her ideals and as we still see, things just remain up with her view on Naruto, never having diminished. At this point it would be better to say Sakura is in a limbo between Sasuke but also thinks practically the world of Naruto, ever since 628 and beyond, her focus has been on him more than Sasuke, only times she focused on Sasuke were his return and 635. Other than that she has been thinking of Naruto more. Did she love him at 469? No but at this time, after she may be moving closer given the concern from 628, her speech from 630, the funny moment and hint from 631, her advocation to him to fight, and yes now this one with how highly she thinks of him. In this string of time look at the positive corrleation naruto put on her compared to Sasuke, its like a light is Naruto, Dark is Sasuke impact on her. This isn't even the end though, Sakura has remained highly part of Naruto's activities in the ten tails revival arc even though they are not directly fighting together. Case in point is, she thinks highly of Naruto but the time of her moving towards Naruto is very likely and potentially higher each new thing that comes between them. The head point would yes be around the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight when this mental conflict hits the high mark but would she turn to Naruto? A lot hints this, basically yes it could be a she subconciously likes him type deal, but she doesn't realize it yet, you know think if OVA 2011 occured but like in the manga.

 

As for 631, a funny moment? Yes, a joke to his father? Yeah we can say it like that but its not a joke about his feelings. This is because if he really had gotten over her, then this is also due to the fact that the other half of this arguement, being that in all the time between 469 and 631 that other half of the arugement of Naruto being over Sakura would have also been him building up for Hinata yet this has not even occured in the slightest, the short war reunion between his clone and Hinata occured and he remembered her actions at pain and then 615 came but guess where we are, nothing built on it, hardly anything. The NH interaction of the time has not provided anything as in consistent buildup needed for Naruto to go loving Hinata, 615 itself with hand holding, thats not even enough I mean 631 alone poses a big problem aside from the lack of development NH has to overcome, but in all this time we at least got a filler saying Naruto still loves and is still in love as the keyword "IN LOVE" with Sakura, until 631 came, what was our notion? to just assume he spontaniously loved Hinata? Thats the harder arguement to try and prove. Its harder to prove he loves Hinata now than him being over Sakura. Even then the events of 631 had 2 sides to it.

 

First. Was the side of Naruto's feelings, a joke, sure it was to make a comical moment between him, Sakura, and Minato. Yet its also the only time in the manga since 469, any feelings he could have to a girl are hinted, basically saying sakura is "more or less" his girlfriend well, if he really considers her like that, chances are he still loves her or rather he likes the prospect of her being his girlfriend and hopes that one day she could be that to him. They are as close as any friends pre-intimate relationship could be but Naruto still liking the ideal of Sakura as his girlfriend is credience enough to lend to the fact that he likes the idea of being in a relation with her, in any case, yes the ideal of loving her. Naruto basically still loves Sakura, thats the idea this statement would be pushing. In all truth, it would be harder to try and prove that he was just simply messing with her in a life or death situation or just playing with her feelings, even if he was seriously set on Hinata at this point, what would be the purpose of a scene like this? You don't play with feelings like that, if anything then yeah if Naruto did this despite loving Hinata, it would just be a stupid action towards Sakura's feelings in the midst of a warzone, but see how stupid that sounds? The best case in this situation is that Naruto still loves Sakura, the prospect of her being his girlfriend is still something he hopes to happen, just because of the slight delay in his reply to minato, its harder to say he paused just to think of how to react to mess with Sakura rather than display his own view to his father. If Naruto more or less considers Sakura his girlfriend then chances are, he still loves her.

 

Second, its just plain again the Kushina moment, one simple often overlooked factor was how Sakura is still the only girl canonically compared to Kushina. Even Naruto's comparisons to Kushina, well again in all cases yes Naruto is like both parents but we see the Minato one more and as the one Naruto strides to be like in terms of hokage ideals. Despite the limited Sakura=Kushina moment, Sakura is still the only girl compared in any canon way to Kushina. Not like we need to include RTN here, but the manga itself has enough for any sane fan to see the similarities between Sakura and Kushina just from the confining the Jinchurki arc. Kushina said find a girl like her, and with minato's statement of "This girl is similar to Kushina." Well I guess I should say this: What the hell are we honestly supposed to go on? Hinata or any other girl isn't being compared to Kushina now are they? Kushina had many similar early interactions with Minato as Sakura did to Naruto so what are we honestly expecting at this point? Either Kishi was lazy in both personality design making Kushina easy and predictable or him and his editors just used the Minato resucing Kushina scene off the same template as Naruto saving Sakura from Sasuke because it saved time or its all to "mislead the readers to think NS is going to occur." Sorry but no, this foreshadow building element is enough of a hint just to consider NS as a possiblity, 631 did one major thing people can debate about the first factor all they want, it doesn't change the fact that the Kushina=Sakura stuff is the closest thing to that foreshadow and everything Kushina said well Naruto had done it already or was in the process of doing it. Kishi hinted at least one pairing years ago, he brought it forward with Kushina's foreshadow, so look at Kushina and Sakura, the aspect that it can be NS as the end one, is that so hard to believe? Rather the change in dynamics between Naruto and Sakura and how much they grew, again its been through so much, its been given the majority of the screentime, its had good and bad moments, people just expect NS to end as friendship, its not. At this point hoping for NH or SS is just expecting too much off of too little, its not going to have as big a chance or make as much sense when NS greatly outweighs the others just by story content. Hey these things were written for a reason, remember this in the order I say it:

 

1. 631 with Sakura=Kushina with Minato's statement built of of Kushina's find a girl like her speech

2. Kushina's foreshadow had many story elements already occur or in the process of doing it. Naruto found a dream, to be hokage. He stared to change some of his ways after Kushina left, he did other stuff she said though like beware of Jiraya and enjoy bathing etc, as for a girl like her, well Naruto found Sakura now didn't he?

3. Kushina's past with Minato was errely similar to the early interactions Sakura had with Naruto, another parallel from the Sannin and team Minato ones.

4. Parallelism is nothing new in the story when Kushina came in and showed her past, team 7 was long paralleled to the Sannin and team minato at this point.

5. Look at the change and flow of character development of Naruto and Sakura's relationship how it began as rocky and less than stellar but it became ultimately inseperable friends who would do anything for the other's happiness even at the cost of their own, who even despite the hardships they share together to endure or cause on each other, they still come out strong with their relationship as friends, isn't a good relationship for something more based upon one that can withstand even the greatest hardships? Naruto and Sakura towards each other are just friends yet they think highly of each other.

 

Seriously the development is there, many forms of progress, many forms of development, many flows and actions that lead from one to the next, all that NS stuff has been going consistencly and moderately with the story, its well incorperated into the series and events like 469 and 631 are just 2 in the larger whole of it. NS is part of the story and has a lot of poential to come forward, the story allows it due to what we have seen, even with Naruto not changing and Sakura actually viewing Sasuke differently, its not the same as it was in the start, Naruto still loves Sakura and Sakura likes Naruto a lot, she could possibly advance her feelings for him soon in the future. Its all there, its not impossible. Naruto still needs to confess and Sakura is going to have a situation in the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke over the aspect of losing them. But for now she is thinking solely of Naruto, hardly Sasuke. She will see Sasuke again but under all this, her feelings for Naruto have increased and thats not a thing up for debate, she thinks highly of him and is concerned for his wellbeing. She is proud and respects him. She is thankful for so much he does, its just part of her character to want to have always done somehting back or not leave him with all the work. Sakura is doing for Naruto what she always had done for a while, being his friend and compassionate towards him. This compassion can go further, as Yamato said, how strongly she feels for him is all that matters, and those feels for Naruto, they may just be increasing. :smug:



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:50 PM

Eh.

 

Honestly, she keeps friendzoning herself.

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 06:02 PM

Damn I was really hoping for a NS moment this chapter, it even seemed like a good setup for a tiny Sakura revelation. W.e its coming soon, so what are your thoughts on Hinata's one panel reiterating what she always says?

Because Hinata didn't do anything new, I have nothing new to say about her.

 

Simple as that. :yes:


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 06:40 PM

Kishi said that he made Sakura to be a realistic girl. Are there any real girl out there on this site who can explain how Sakura operates and thinks?

 

Thinking about what Sakura might be thinking makes my head hurt. 

Well, i myself am a man and i don't understand girls(women) to that high of an extend,but I would like to give my thoughts on Sakura's character and of course her love for Sasuke.

She gets introduced as a girl  that Naruto likes a lot (or is kind of interested in w/e). We see her plus other female characters wanting to be near the cool,handsome,strong and popular guy that actually has zero interest in romance. She wants so sit next him and steal his first kiss , well , luck was not on her side and that opportunity went to Naruto :lol: .

At to the bench scene , we see her that she views herself not  attractive or good looking ,has large forehead and hates it,dislikes her body,It short she was full of insecurities. So, how do you fix them all at once? By getting the perfect guy of course.

That's why i say that in her mind before the Kage summit arc , she viewed Sasuke as prince charming riding the white horse and all. Heck, if we take a look at her confession to him we see that she thinks that the problem is in herself no in Sasuke  ''you always hated me'' ''you never talk to me'' etc., she never thought that he is bad or not , however she didn't know that her ''prince'' pierced Naruto's lung during the VOTE fight. We can see that she didn't change her opinion when she punched Sai after the time skip and lash at him not to talk ill about Sasuke. Five mouths later in that scary panel in 540 we see that Sasuke isn't not what she thought he is , and i think she started  moving on from that point on- maybe just maybe.

As for her bond with Naruto, well, it goes waaaaay deeper than she thinks and she loves him more than she knows or is aware , she hasn't experienced true love so she thinks that those feelings she has for Sasuke are what is called love.

That is what i think is the reason  she is in love with Sasuke or was , but I'm a man and  i don't know that much. :sweat:



 


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:10 PM

May I add my thoughts on this? :P

 

I'm not sure if Darkrerst believes this, but either way I think it's the wrong way to look at it that I see is common among the fandom.

 

"Deciding" by yourself what Naruto deserves isn't a rational way to follow the manga. "If I was Naruto, I would so go for Hinata!", "I want to kitten Hinata, but Naruto is close enough", "No one wants a liar as a girlfriend!" etc. Even the other way around; "Who would want a stalker as a girlfriend?".

 

It's a bit sad actually. :unsure:

Depends on how you expresses that.

Naruto's character is about not giving up and this also mirrors to love too.
He struggled the most on this matter.

He's unable to confess to her which is tied up to a promise he did to her, meanwhile she literally shoved at his face during the whole manga that she loves Sasuke, even when on the summit she was doing it for his sake, he was misleaded by the author that she was doing it for Sasuke, and even on a melancholic tone he said that "Sakura loves Sasuke too much".

 

 

Darkrerst,

I've noticed you said you mostly ship NS because you're Naruto-centric and you think he deserves someone better than Sakura, however there's no one else in the manga for him. I was wondering, do you at least genuinely enjoy the pairing, or do you have a "might as well ship it because it'll end up canon" attitude? Just curious.

 

What i dont enjoy is when Naruto's struggles because of it, he lied to Sakura just let himself be punched by kumo ninjas.

When he sadly admits that Sakura loves Sasuke and so on...

But despite all that his love remains unnaffected because his character is about not giving up.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:20 PM

Depends on how you expresses that.

Naruto's character is about not giving up and this also mirrors to love too.
He struggled the most on this matter.

He's unable to confess to her which is tied up to a promise he did to her, meanwhile she literally shoved at his face during the whole manga that she loves Sasuke, even when on the summit she was doing it for his sake, he was misleaded by the author that she was doing it for Sasuke, and even on a melancholic tone he said that "Sakura loves Sasuke too much".

I believe if you favour a certain partner for him because you think she will make him happy, do so. What I meant earlier was that you should not apply your own logic to Naruto, what you would choose if you were him. Read the manga and make them judgement based on who you think will make him the most happy, who he loves.

 

Disregarding Naruto's love for Sakura because Hinata is such a better alternative is wrong, and something I saw a lot in youtube reviews and such. And yes, I did stop watching them, because I just can't listen to an irrational person who calls themself a reviewer. :P


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:25 PM

I agree with inferno. Naruto wasn't joking about his feelings but the situation itself was a joke and minato laughed at Sakura striking naruto. So it was funny to minato, not naruto

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

I sometimes think Naruto whould walk away from sakura because some crimes can be forgiven but not forgotten. The pain and suffering she put him through is unforgivable concidering it was for her selfish ends (sasuke POAL)

 

Does this mean that Hinata should be with Naruto? Hell no... she would be an awful choice for him.

 

maybe he could just find a girl away from the k11 someone random but free of any ties to his past. If sakura loves sasuke after all hes done to her then just let her be i say


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

I sometimes think Naruto whould walk away from sakura because some crimes can be forgiven but not forgotten. The pain and suffering she put him through is unforgivable concidering it was for her selfish ends (sasuke POAL)

 

Does this mean that Hinata should be with Naruto? Hell no... she would be an awful choice for him.

 

maybe he could just find a girl away from the k11 someone random but free of any ties to his past. If sakura loves sasuke after all hes done to her then just let her be i say

 

'Crimes' is a gross exaggeration. No one forced Naruto to make that promise, but you make it sound like Sakura strong-armed him into it. Naruto made the POAL because he wanted to, for Sakura's happiness, even if it hurt him. The POAL is Naruto's own doing, not Sakura's. And as I said earlier, I don't believe Sakura loves Sasuke anymore.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

 

'Crimes' is a gross exaggeration. No one forced Naruto to make that promise, but you make it sound like Sakura strong-armed him into it. Naruto made the POAL because he wanted to, for Sakura's happiness, even if it hurt him. The POAL is Naruto's own doing, not Sakura's. And as I said earlier, I don't believe Sakura loves Sasuke anymore.

Yep but he didnt forgot that and it wasnt Sakura's fault but it hurt him a lot to a point that even if Sakura genuinely tells him that she loves him, he would not believe due to the scar that it left out on his heart.

She must do something really impactfull to him or even sacrifice herself in order to make Naruto realize this.

Even so 631 when he didnt let her asnwer for unknown reason.

 

Sometimes it's not even Sakura who says this but mostly Naruto who affirms that she loves Sasuke, to a point that it's sad, looks like he's traumatized.


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