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[Chucky-kun]

In sasusaku, the fandom supports neither's happiness.
In Naruhina, the fandom supports Hinata's happiness.
In narusaku, the fandom supports both happinesses.

[FoolishYoungling]

In sasusaku, the fandom supports neither's happiness.
In Naruhina, the fandom supports Hinata's happiness.
In narusaku, the fandom supports both happinesses.

and that's one reason why I'm here today.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 29 January 2013 - 03:43 AM.

[narulsaku]

its just never clear why sasusaku is popular. and it wont be. about happiness @chucky kun--i dont think all of them are that much bad. i mean i ve a friend who is a ss fan. but still he dont oppose ns or nh either. he says it depends on kishimoto.

[MangaReader]

In sasusaku, the fandom supports neither's happiness.
In Naruhina, the fandom supports Hinata's happiness.
In narusaku, the fandom supports both happinesses.

Majority anyway... though I've met some pretty good NaruHina shippers who believe in both sides happiness

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Well, in my head canon I believe something happened between them when they were younger that caused Sakura to love and become so attached to Sasuke. I hope Kishimoto will show us more of their pre-genin days.

And think about it, Sasuke wasn't that bad of a guy until about the Kage Summit arc, which was probably only about a week or two ago in their time. It's not that crazy to believe that Sakura is still getting over Sasuke.

I can't fathom what. We have no idea how Sakura started liking him, besides the immediate impression that he's "hot, cool, collected, strong". All the typical shallow reasons of a fangirl. We don't even know what made Naruto like Sakura when he was younger, other than the she's "cool, smart, and hot" line of thinking. Also shallow.

I'll be honest. I have always hated SasuSaku, even back in Part 1. Sakura lost so much of herself in Sasuke, it was sad. And she wasn't even in a relationship with him! The way she acts, it almost seems like she was. That level of pain ... He wasn't a truly terrible person, true. Also why I love the old Sasuke. But he still often treated her jerkish and disrespectfully. Yeah, he cared for her like he did the entire team, but I just don't get how you could love someone like that who either ignored you or insulted you. Sakura was so submissive with him, it made it even more sad. Seriously, when it comes to Sasuke, Sakura is a classic example of domestic violence relationships. She already has the angst and low self-esteem that Sasuke creates in her, after all.

@KnS: Oddly enough, I find SasuNaru more tolerable. But that's only because I believe Sasuke cares for him somewhere deep in his heart, but he's stubborn about it and wants to take the revenge route. I probably can only deal with SN because Naruto loves him like a friend. If he was literally in love with him, I'd probably hate it. Sasuke doesn't deserve to have anyone be in love with him romantically. He can deserve friendship when he realizes his mistakes and tries to redeem himself, but that's it. Right now, Sasuke doesn't deserve kitten until he gets smarter.

Though it can be highly annoying sometimes. Naruto's way too easy on Sasuke, he sees him entirely like a "victim whose just lost", not the criminal Sasuke actually is. Even in the Kage Summit, he still didn't fully accept it. I'll never forget the anger and outrage I felt when Naruto just gave Sasuke a death glare after nearly killing Sakura, displays no anger, and instead says calmly "Sakura's a member of Team 7, too". Right after that, he does a redo of the Valley of the End speech. God, I facepalm so hard every time. Like "Sasuke tried to kill the girl you love and you're not even angry about it? What. The. Hell. Naruto." And Sakura ... well, I already covered that disaster.

Oh and @swagasaurus, here's another reason why NaruHina is popular, also. SasuSaku side-shipping.

[FoolishYoungling]

Oh and @swagasaurus, here's another reason why NaruHina is popular, also. SasuSaku side-shipping.

good one.

[narulsaku]

ohhh woow . ashley hold it. its okey no one likes sasusaku here. but you are heading towards bash so pleare keep it cool. and i donot agree with insulting part. sasuke never really insulted her or behaved like j**K . though he tried to kill her. he just never cared about sakura. and sakura liking sasuke is common. like ino and others. they liked him as he was a talented and smart kid. i am sure enough that if ino would have been choosen she would have fell with him in deeper feelings.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, for some reason, perhaps that databook chart does explain the reason why people in Japan or even Kishi isn't that serious with NH. Granted, we do have fans to believe it will be endgame and all, but for Kishi or perhaps even media (anime/movies/etc.), it's nothing but a nice fanservice to mess with. Don't need to agree with me. Just sharing some thoughts.

[Zatheko]

ohhh woow . ashley hold it. its okey no one likes sasusaku here. but you are heading towards bash so pleare keep it cool. and i donot agree with insulting part. sasuke never really insulted her or behaved like j**K . though he tried to kill her. he just never cared about sakura. and sakura liking sasuke is common. like ino and others. they liked him as he was a talented and smart kid. i am sure enough that if ino would have been choosen she would have fell with him in deeper feelings.

Whats ridiculous here is that ino has been shown to have feelings for him for as long as sakura has, and she wasn't even ON his team, to me that makes no sense at all.

[FoolishYoungling]

You know, for some reason, perhaps that databook chart does explain the reason why people in Japan or even Kishi isn't that serious with NH. Granted, we do have fans to believe it will be endgame and all, but for Kishi or perhaps even media (anime/movies/etc.), it's nothing but a nice fanservice to mess with. Don't need to agree with me. Just sharing some thoughts.

don't like jumping to conclusions too quick, but that is something to think about.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 29 January 2013 - 04:45 AM.

[swagosaurus]

ohhh woow . ashley hold it. its okey no one likes sasusaku here. but you are heading towards bash so pleare keep it cool. and i donot agree with insulting part. sasuke never really insulted her or behaved like j**K . though he tried to kill her. he just never cared about sakura. and sakura liking sasuke is common. like ino and others. they liked him as he was a talented and smart kid. i am sure enough that if ino would have been choosen she would have fell with him in deeper feelings.

He called her annoying after she confessed her love for him. Yeah, he was a jerk. >_>

[TouKen4Life3g]

don't like jumping to conclusions too quick, but that is something to think about.

Well, it's only a thought. Until I see something romance hint from NH (Naruto), maybe what I said could be true. Could be.

[MangaReader]

Well, it's only a thought. Until I see something romance hint from NH (Naruto), maybe what I said could be true. Could be.

For now, like I said earlier in the thread, I'm gonna consider every moment of NaruHina as potentially romantic, even as one sided as it gets. I'm sorta like the middle man here where I'm always gonna support NaruSaku, but I also wanna please the reasonable portion of the NaruHina fanbase. Because all in all, they think about us the same way we think about them... kind of our own Ninja Cycle (not so much hatred) when you think about it ^^;

Edited by MangaReader, 29 January 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[That Uchiha]

SasuSaku is still popular because of part 1.
They like it for those moments when Sasuke showed care for Sakura, protected her, and acknowledged her.
It is still believed that "The one that filled his lonely existence was Sakura. But he cannot let her in." -Databook 2

They are still holding on to this despite everything that has happened, at least thats my take on it.
Either that or they really want some pink-haired Uchiha babies!

I can't fathom what. We have no idea how Sakura started liking him, besides the immediate impression that he's "hot, cool, collected, strong". All the typical shallow reasons of a fangirl. We don't even know what made Naruto like Sakura when he was younger, other than the she's "cool, smart, and hot" line of thinking. Also shallow.

I'll be honest. I have always hated SasuSaku, even back in Part 1. Sakura lost so much of herself in Sasuke, it was sad. And she wasn't even in a relationship with him! The way she acts, it almost seems like she was. That level of pain ... He wasn't a truly terrible person, true. Also why I love the old Sasuke. Bu he still often treated her jerkish and disrespectfully. Yeah, he cared for her like he did the entire team, but I just don't get how you could love someone like that who either ignored you or insulted you. Sakura was so submissive with him, it made it even more sad. Seriously, when it comes to Sasuke, Sakura is a classic example of domestic violence relationships. She already has the angst and low self-esteem that Sasuke creates in her, after all.

I don't think Sasuke was that much of a jerk to Sakura as you're making him out to be. Sure, the way Sasuke naturally talks is rude but there were also times when he encouraged her and times where she became stronger because she wanted to be acknowledged by him.

He called her annoying after she confessed her love for him. Yeah, he was a jerk. >_>

I don't think he said that to be mean, well how do I explain. XD Its like how Sakura calls Naruto an idiot, you know like a term of endearment. Its supposed to mirror the first time he said it, but with a different tone. He even had a smirk on his face when he said it.

Edited by That Uchiha, 29 January 2013 - 05:09 AM.

[MangaReader]

He called her annoying after she confessed her love for him. Yeah, he was a jerk. >_>

I thought he said "Thank You" before knocking her out? Or are we not talking about Part 1?

[Zatheko]

I thought he said "Thank You" before knocking her out? Or are we not talking about Part 1?

He said she was annoying about half way through sakuras words, than after the other half he said thank you.

[MangaReader]

He said she was annoying about half way through sakuras words, than after the other half he said thank you.

Shows how much I really cared for the moment *derp*

[kirabook]

While I will never understand how Sakura could ever continue liking or 'loving' someone like Sasuke, eh, at this point I don't think it's TOO out there for her to be in the stage of falling out of love with him now. (I wonder if she loves him romantically at this point or just as a friend? Just a question)

I also want to say, I view Sakura's love for Sasuke and Sakura's slow growing love for Naruto on 2 different charts. These charts never mix unless Sakura mixes them, and when they do mix, it's always bad in some way. (the POAL broke Naruto's heart and including Sasuke in her confession later tainted the whole situation) They grow at different rates and just because one thing is happening with one chart does not directly affect the other chart.

For this reason, I believe Sakura currently loves both boys in some way, but the love she has for Naruto is not due to Sasuke's absence, that love grew all on it's own at a steady pace without outside help. (Cue all the moments where Sakura took up for Naruto regardless of Sasuke's feelings or generally cheering him on, which had nothing to do with Sasuke)


To the Point:

In manga time, the last time she saw the 'good' Sasuke was about 4-5 years ago. 3 of those years, neither Naruto or Sakura had seen Sasuke, so her vision of him could have easily remained 'good'.

She didn't see 'bad' Sasuke until the little Orochimaru layer arc, which in current manga time was....9-10 months ago? If that. (I'm assuming it's at least 9 months because Kurenai had a baby in that amount of time) In that time span, she could have still been in love with him, no doubt shocked by his attitude and actions, though that might not have convinced her he was 'bad'.

As of a week to 2 weeks ago in Naruto time, Sakura found out that Sasuke joined the Akatsuki right? (When the trio arrived and told them and she had a little break down) She hadn't heard/seen him since they had news of him killing his brother. I don't think Sakura (or Naruto) realized how deep he was falling. And she still hadn't actually SEEN him and communicated with him properly since her confession.

Sasuke's other 2 murder attempts not too soon after really... "showed" Sakura his new nature I think. That event set in stone that right now, Sasuke is not the boy of her dreams or the boy that knocked her out after saying "Thank you." He was a murderer, and was about to kill her without hesitation. So far, she's had a week or so since that incident to really take that in. I don't think it's too far fetched for her to only start feeling guilty about those feelings now and actually questioning herself about her feelings.

Just to reiterate, this has nothing to do with her separate and unrelated relationship with Naruto.

[MangaReader]

The obvious reason for Sakura still "loving" Sasuke is because of fanservice... though it mainly get's fan disservice as almost none of their moments are shown in a lighter tone like NaruSaku and NaruHina <- (this is borderline dark). Oddly enough, it's the fans that consider it proof that got me puzzled

[redragon88]

The only thing I would add -- besides what you said about Kishimoto contriving SS for plot purposes -- is that Naruto's love for Sasuke is similar. He is totally devoted to Sasuke too, and the same questions apply. WHY? WHAT HAS SASUKE DONE FOR YOU LATELY? Naruto's relentless devotion to Sasuke has enabled Sakura to continue to view Sasuke as worthwhile -- elevating him far beyond what many readers can stomach appreciate.

I think the key difference is that at least Part 1 was devoted to developing the rise and fall of the relationship with Naruto and Sasuke. That's why Naruto's devotion comes off as stronger and more justified than Sakura's.

It could also deal with the fact that Sakura has feelings of romantic love instead of just platonic love like Naruto's. If Sakura was as dedicated to Sasuke as Naruto is but just shared the same platonic feelings Naruto does then I don't think her character would look as bad as she does for her love of him.

If Sasuke's relationship with Sakura was done better in Part 1 then maybe her love for him wouldn't look as bad is it is. But for Part 1 is always about how Sakura feels about him, Sasuke never seems to have any overall change of impression towards Sakura that could imply his relationship with her was deepening. On the other hand we see Sakura throughout all of Part 1 going from thinking Naruto is an annoyance to trusting him completely thus becoming one of her closest friends.

We also have Sasuke slowly cementing his bond with Naruto throughout all of Part 1. He protects Naruto from Haku, claims he wants to fight Naruto the most during the chunin exams, and even acknowledges that Naruto has practically become his best friend during the battle at the Valley of the End. We see him develop a lot of care for Team 7 as Part 1 progressed, but the only one he had a special bond with was Naruto. Whatever fondness Sasuke could've felt for Sakura was only to the extent that he was glad that along with Naruto and Kakashi they became his new family.

I think the misinterpretation of Sasuke having felt anything special for Sakura was a case of making a lake out of a glass of water. They took Sasuke's general care for Team 7 in Part 1 and made it out to be something special about Sakura, for some reason.

I don't see any reason for Sakura getting together with Sasuke other than the fact that it could maybe make Sakura happy because she loves him, and that's a long maybe. But that can be said about any of the unrequited feelings so they all cancel each other out.

So what other reason is there for seeing Sakura get with Sasuke? To show that love overcomes the odds? The same could be said about Naruto's dedication to both Sasuke and Sakura. They both look like hopeless cases but Naruto keeps at it because he believes. So if Naruto has that covered there's no need to show it with Sakura. And it would be more powerful with him given his status as main character who specializes in achieving the impossible.

Maybe it could show the significance of loving someone no matter how far they fall. But Naruto is already doing that. And even Kakashi mentions that he still loved Sasuke no matter how far he fell, which made him understand the position Hiruzen faced when fighting Orochimaru. Maybe people think Sakura's case would be something different because it's romantic love. Why is that different? Love is love no matter the type, the importance is not to show how loving can get you a boyfriend, is about not rejecting the bond you have with a person. Even if Sakura stopped loving Sasuke romantically she would still share a bond with him given that they're Team 7.

Then we have Naruto pushing the themes of never giving up and surpassing the old generation with him. We know how he specializes in changing people. We see how selfless his love for Sakura is with the promise. We see the slow and constant elevation of Sakura's feelings for Naruto. The story itself gives reasons as to why Naruto getting together with Sakura will leave a very powerful impact, and how it fits with everything else. More so than anything SS or NH could hope for.

We all have our reasons to support a pairing, but sometimes it's important to sit back and think if the reason you like it is because of the concept of the pairing itself or because it goes along with the storytelling. People can like a pairing and at the same time understand that it won't be canon given that it doesn't fit the story. I can only think back to that NaruHina fan in deviant art that wrote a very detailed essay after 615 explaining how it didn't mean anything for NaruHina and that NaruSaku was obviously the most likely to be canon regardless of that chapter.

That left me with the impression that maybe sometimes people can let their preference of a pairing prevent them from seeing how another one, given how it fits into the story, is most likely to happen.