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[tricksie]

To think the morons who worried about this image were right... ugh

 

 

 

/\ eh, yeah but then you've got the next color spread with a LOtRs feel and Sakura leaning over Naruto. So it could be seen as equally pro-NS. I think Kishi was just trolling the hell out of everything in the end. 

[LuckyChi7]

L was awesome, but keep in mind that he was technically the antagonist. Perhaps the true measure of a protagonist is the villain he faces.

 

Unfortunately Naruto's final villain was Kishimoto's stupidity. I don't think that NS is going to happen and I had hoped that Sakura would at least get over Sasuke. But every time I go over everything nothing makes sense about the endings. Even in the chapters themselves there are a ton of inconsistencies and just plain weird happenings. 

 

Yeah, and I've said this for a couple days now, but LadyGT's After The War Doujinshi is gonna be the closest think for NaruSaku for me to see as them canon in my eyes. Unless she ends up making her own ending of the final two chapters then that'll help too. The ending of NH and SS in the manga are there, and it's terrible or even worse, but I found my NS closure with After The War. Even though it's not official, I consider it to be the real ending.  As my friend told me, the manga ends with Naruto VS Sasuke because after that the characters become OOC.     

[MangaReader]

 

 

 

/\ eh, yeah but then you've got the next color spread with a LOtRs feel and Sakura leaning over Naruto. So it could be seen as equally pro-NS. I think Kishi was just trolling the hell out of everything in the end. 

 

I don't even like thinking about it... so let this be the last time I even consider this ending something that destroys one of the greatest bonds forged in a manga

Edited by MangaReader, 11 November 2014 - 06:06 AM.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

To think the morons who worried about this image were right... ugh

 

 

HORSE-TON: HORSE RIDING NO JUTSU

[Shadow1275]

 

Yeah, and I've said this for a couple days now, but LadyGT's After The War Doujinshi is gonna be the closest think for NaruSaku for me to see as them canon in my eyes. Unless she ends up making her own ending of the final two chapters then that'll help too. The ending of NH and SS in the manga are there, and it's terrible or even worse, but I found my NS closure with After The War. Even though it's not official, I consider it to be the real ending.  As my friend told me, the manga ends with Naruto VS Sasuke because after that the characters become OOC.     

Lol, it ends for me after Sakura confesses to Naruto in the LOI. Naruto is a hero in the villagers eyes, the Akatski are all but dead, Sasuke is an enemy of the state, and Sakura has just told Naruto that she is over Sasuke and truly loves him. Unfortunately the ending is open ended so we don't find out that Naruto's answer. That Kishimoto, he's such a troll.

[MangaReader]

I feel like editing this... this was the image that strengthened my belief Naruto and Sakura were end game 

Edited by MangaReader, 11 November 2014 - 06:26 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yes.

Ohmygod, your voice. YOUR VOICE reminds me of a stupid and arrogant school shooter that made videos before the day. Sorry about that...it's probably just the intonation...

Ehhhh....Should I be offended?

Well, other people find my voice sexy...some find it annoying...some say my voice is soothing and welcoming and others say I sound like a pot head....

No matter what, it is what it is.
 

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Ehhhh....Should I be offended?

Well, other people find my voice sexy...some find it annoying...some say my voice is soothing and welcoming and others say I sound like a pot head....

No matter what, it is what it is.

As a voice-actor, people find my voice to be really cool; they say I have a good voice for narration, professional speaking, and even game-shows. XD

[James S Cassidy]

As a voice-actor, people find my voice to be really cool; they say I have a good voice for narration, professional speaking, and even game-shows. XD

lol I guess I can not be a voice actor then XD

[Kamina-Yoshi]

lol I guess I can not be a voice actor then XD

I've been doing it (un)professionally since I was 12, so I've had a tad more practice than you, James. Don't give up hope XD But, yeah, I voice my abridged series (in my sig), and at work whenever I talk over the intercom I use a deep booming baritone; I've gotten a lot of compliments for it.

[Khaleesi]

To think the morons who worried about this image were right... ugh

 

And this is how she got pregnant.

 

Ehhhh....Should I be offended?

Well, other people find my voice sexy...some find it annoying...some say my voice is soothing and welcoming and others say I sound like a pot head....

No matter what, it is what it is.
 

Well, that wasn't my intention, sorry. It just reminded me of him. Ugh. I hate him, he's so kittening disgusting. But that was probably because you were kind of upset, so the intonation was alike. Sorry for that.

But you have a good voice 

 

As a voice-actor, people find my voice to be really cool; they say I have a good voice for narration, professional speaking, and even game-shows. XD

That's pretty cool.

[James S Cassidy]

Lol I think your voice is a combo of all of those aha. minus the annoying and pothead

 

Thanks...I think....yeah, thanks. Thank you.
 

I've been doing it (un)professionally since I was 12, so I've had a tad more practice than you, James. Don't give up hope XD But, yeah, I voice my abridged series (in my sig), and at work whenever I talk over the intercom I use a deep booming baritone; I've gotten a lot of compliments for it.

Nah, it is not my thing. Unless you have a character who is deeply emotional and and inspiration speaker.

Some say I have a leader voice, but my voice isn't booming...and my singing voice sucks XD

Excellent for you though. Keep loving what you do ^_^
 

 

Well, that wasn't my intention, sorry. It just reminded me of him. Ugh. I hate him, he's so kittening disgusting. But that was probably because you were kind of upset, so the intonation was alike. Sorry for that.

But you have a good voice 

 

Yeah, probably because I was upset, but I am also going through a terrible cold at the moment so my voice is a bit scratchy. My speech on the november 8th podcast made people cry or so I have been told.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 November 2014 - 06:43 AM.

[MangaReader]

Me talking on topic for a change... something I just told James kinda speaks volumes for chapter 700.

 

I finally it tragically ironic how Naruto was angry at his father for the burden he left him to endure...then goes around and tells his son he needs to learn how to endure things‏

[Khaleesi]

I forgot I had homework for tomorrow. It's 1:42 am and I have to wake up 6:30 am 

This is a beautiful day.

 

Yeah, probably because I was upset, but I am also going through a terrible cold at the moment so my voice is a bit scratchy. My speech on the november 8th podcast made people cry or so I have been told.

Hahahaha, poor James ):

What? what podcast?

[DarkRadeon]

Me talking on topic for a change... something I just told James kinda speaks volumes for chapter 700.

 

I finally it tragically ironic how Naruto was angry at his father for the burden he left him to endure...then goes around and tells his son he needs to learn how to endure things‏

At least Minato actually showed a sense of humour both with Kurama and Naruto in that scene

[James S Cassidy]

Hahahaha, poor James ):

What? what podcast?

This one

[tatsujin76]

 

The thing is, if he was just doing it off from the top of his head he wouldn't just be inconsistent at the last possible second. He clearly had made up a plan for Naruto and Sakura to be romantically involved, but he didn't do it at the end which strikes everyone as extremely weird. It's not reading anything into anything, it's just plain-as-day him being contradictory with everything about the story. The Promise of a Lifetime, Sakura's confession of love, Sasuke's status as a mass-murdering criminal wanted for terrorism, absolutely none of that was reflected upon by the characters or even mentioned near the end. It would be as if George Lucas had filmed the original Star Wars movie (A New Hope) all the way up to the point where Obi-Wan is killed, and Luke and the Gang get on the Millennium Falcon and escape the Death Star only to have the movie end there abruptly only to begin again in THE SEVENTH/UPCOMING STAR WARS FILM. No mention of the Originals or Prequels, no exposition of the Force or the Jedi or Anakin's tragic past on becoming Darth Vader, no awesome six movies, just utter confusion as to what the Devil is going on.

 

That's how this feels. It's odd, it's dirty, and even if Kishi was rushed his editor would say "Whoa, there, what the balls is this you're handing me?! You just cut it off and make a huge friggin' time-skip?! No, I want you to end it, but end it so we can still earn money later, not by burning all your bridges!".

 

We're talking about the man who said that he didn't want ShikaTema to happen, who said he wasn't good at writing romance and yet gave us the beautiful relationship of MinaKushi, who said Sakura was the heroine of the story and then practically made her a side-character in 700 and The Last; consistency is clearly not his forté, if we go by this. Sure, he was consistent for 698 chapters, but what good is that if you fudge it up in the last two and then go on to make a movie to explain how what we saw in the manga's epilogue happened?

 

Also, I don't think he burned any bridges with the ending he wrote. After all, SP is going to add filler to the anime and apparently continue it well into 2015, when it should end on February or March, at most; The Last is hitting theaters next month, and it will sell good, because a lot of fans want closure on the story, which Kishi failed to provide in the manga. Let's not forget that a series of short-stories featuring the children that resulted from the "Great End-of-Series Pair-Off" will be made and published as books, which means Naruto will keep making money, one way or another. The people behind Naruto, and I'm not referring to Kishi, are businessmen, after all, and businessmen only want one thing: profit.

 

It may come off as a little bit hostile, but it is not my intention, I swear. 

 

 

I know it's just a theory, but if what your saying is true then Kishi's got do alot better with story telling.

 

Tbh I'm actually writing a out a story for a book, and I've already got my ideas on how things will go down in the final book (third one). Including characters, plotlines, themes, development, etc. 

 

I also want to write a book, or books, one day, and before I do that, I'll do the same as you: I'll sit down, define all the elements of the story, and only then will I be able to write it. I think Kishi either failed while doing this, or he simply didn't do it.

 

Some people have stated that maybe this wasn't the ending Kishi had planned all along, and that we got what we got thanks to him being pressured by someone higher in the food chain, so to speak. Due to the nature of the medium, manga are an interesting phenomenon, imo; the serialization and the whole business side to it that occurs behind-the-scenes affects the story a lot some times. Many people here have given examples of storytellers being forced to continue a story because it makes money. Hell, it's not exclusive to manga, something similar also happens in the film industry: we've got The Hobbit, which could've been done in one or two films, but they made three by adding material from other books that occurred simultaneously as the story on the book The Hobbit; we also have The Hunger Games, Twilight, and Harry Potter, which got their last books split in two movies; we got Supernatural, the TV series, which was originally planned as a 5-season show, but it was so successful that it got extended past that with a new showrunner, and is now on its 10th season; there are plenty of examples. Maybe these people are not so far from the truth, but we won't get any assurance or even a hint of this for quite some time, since Kishi won't want to burn any bridges with publications that might publish his future works (slandering your previous employer is a big no-no in most industries).

 

I'm of the mind that the ending was too jarring, all things considered. A part of me wants to think that this wasn't the ending Kishi intended for the series, but another part of me thinks that Kishi did. I do know for a fact that this is the canon ending of the series; whether that will be disputed in the future by Kishi himself is another story, and one that I'd like to be true, but not willing to hope for.

Edited by tatsujin76, 11 November 2014 - 06:51 AM.

[Khaleesi]

This one

Two kittening hours? It was "on air" right?

[DeathGodMack]

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters. 

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

[Hiraishin]

So I have been thinking that Naruto's last words in the manga (pre-epilogue) are "Thank you Sakura-chan." Terribly symbolic in a manga where the "thank you" term is used interchangeably with "I love you." Sakura-->Sasuke in Part 1, Sakura-->Naruto in Part 2, Kushina-->Minato in the flashback. Kushina's words are terribly important becaue it's the parallel for NS. 
 
And I've also been thinking that it is significant that we are never shown Sakura's reaction to Sasuke's return of affection. Just her absolute shock. It was an easy way out for Kishimoto. He negated all her development, and then didn't have to show Sakura's true reaction to losing not only Naruto but herself. The same goes for Naruto's choices. All that is shown is the outcome. Not their reactions. 
 
It's all a cop out, and ultimately one more sign that the Kishimoto knows what he did was counter to the direction of the story.

When did Sakura say thank you to Sasuke in part one? Are you referring to when he complemented her genjutsu and she thanked him?