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[Darkness]

Regardless of whether Naruto's answer is in reference to Sakura's confession or not when he was indeed casually quoting Sakura for it. Megi already explained this a long time ago.

 

When Naruto answered he ended the sentence with "datte", which is for refer to what someone else said (at least that's how I remember the explanation). Which means that Naruto's answer is that according to Sakura she "more or less" his girlfriend.

 

I remember seeing such explanation, but keep in mind that is just one way of interpreting Naruto's quote, and a very forced, over analyzed one, so it is not settled on stone. 

 

As I said, this argument was seemingly created by fans trying to disconsider Naruto's words by any means necessary. So I personally don't see any of it as valid.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[redragon88]

 

I remember seeing such explanation, but keep in mind that is just one way of interpreting Naruto's quote, and a very forced, over analyzed one, so it is not settled on stone. 

 

As I said, this argument was seemingly created by fans trying to disconsider Naruto's words by any means necessary. So I personally don't see any of it as valid.

 

Dude, Megi is completely fluent in japanese and has been translating stuff for us for a good while now.

 

She always does her best to give us the best and most accurate translations she can. What she does is not "forced or over analyzed".

[morgaine4]

I think Naruto's answer in 631 definitely re-affirms his feelings for Sakura, but I think it also indicates his reaction to Sakura's confession --particularly what she said about her emotions/feelings for him.  During the confession, Naruto's reaction/body language changes when Sakura claims that she no longer loves Sasuke, that's what tipped him off that she's lying (about something).  Back then, other than his initial blush when he asks Sakura to repeat herself Naruto never actually reacted to what she said to him about her feelings for him, his reactions were all based upon what she said about Sasuke, his flashbacks involved his memories of Sakura admiring Sasuke.  I'm not saying that he believed that Sakura loved him, not at all, but it is important that he refused to compute what she said about him (just like we have never seen Sakura fully consider what her feelings for Naruto are).  He didn't flashback to all the negative things Sakura said about him, and something else that's important is just before, when leaving Konoha Naruto wanted to protect Sakura from the knowledge that Karui beat him up --again not an indication that Naruto thinks Sakura thinks of him in a romantic manner, but certainly an indication that Naruto is well aware that Sakura cares about him quite a bit, that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.  While Naruto was unarguably expressing his own desires/vision (essentially indicating that Sakura is the person he sees as fitting the role of girlfriend), I think his answer is also unarguably the first indication we have of Naruto's opinion on whether or not Sakura could have romantic feelings for him.  Remember, while Naruto reacted in a similar manner when Konohamaru asked him if Sakura is his girlfriend there are quite a few differences in 631:  Naruto at 16 is very different in his approach to Naruto pre-PoL, Naruto now thinks that this isn't something to be joked about, Naruto was speaking to his father, Hinata who had also confessed to him was hearing everything, and he's announcing it while in front of the entire Shinobi Alliance (how freaking embarrassing!  LOL).

 

 

 

Dude, Megi is completely fluent in japanese and has been translating stuff for us for a good while now.

 

She always does her best to give us the best and most accurate translations she can. What she does is not "forced or over analyzed".

 

Oh, I agree!

[Hanabi]

 

Dude, Megi is completely fluent in japanese and has been translating stuff for us for a good while now.

 

She always does her best to give us the best and most accurate translations she can. What she does is not "forced or over analyzed".

i actually gt almost the same answer when i asked about naruto's "maa sonna kanji datte"

http://answers.yahoo...23212918AAGdnDW

[TouKen4Life3g]

The funny thing is that the later scene, pretty much at the end of the chapter, still reinforced his feelings for Sakura. If people wants a concrete no manipulative words (even though this one you really can't), then be careful, because you're going to get it BIG TIME. You know what's scary for many, the fact that Sakura is being focused once again. Remember how well that did with 628-631? Well, here we go again. So now, haters, doubters, whoever they are, it may be the time to start acknowledging the pairing existence as well as the high chance that it will be the endgame. Don't have to like it or anything, but the days of debate is getting close.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I think Naruto's answer in 631 definitely re-affirms his feelings for Sakura, but I think it also indicates his reaction to Sakura's confession --particularly what she said about her emotions/feelings for him.  During the confession, Naruto's reaction/body language changes when Sakura claims that she no longer loves Sasuke, that's what tipped him off that she's lying (about something).  Back then, other than his initial blush when he asks Sakura to repeat herself Naruto never actually reacted to what she said to him about her feelings for him, his reactions were all based upon what she said about Sasuke, his flashbacks involved his memories of Sakura admiring Sasuke.  I'm not saying that he believed that Sakura loved him, not at all, but it is important that he refused to compute what she said about him (just like we have never seen Sakura fully consider what her feelings for Naruto are).  He didn't flashback to all the negative things Sakura said about him, and something else that's important is just before, when leaving Konoha Naruto wanted to protect Sakura from the knowledge that Karui beat him up --again not an indication that Naruto thinks Sakura thinks of him in a romantic manner, but certainly an indication that Naruto is well aware that Sakura cares about him quite a bit, that Sakura's feelings for Naruto have changed.  While Naruto was unarguably expressing his own desires/vision (essentially indicating that Sakura is the person he sees as fitting the role of girlfriend), I think his answer is also unarguably the first indication we have of Naruto's opinion on whether or not Sakura could have romantic feelings for him. 

 

 

 

I partly agree. Some part of Naruto's wall is cracked enough for him to not entirely shoot down the possibility of Sakura liking him, hence the "more or less" and almost blank expression when he said it. But he's not truly open to the possibility either, I find trouble believing that considering how stubborn he can be. And his "Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much!" and Sai's "That's why. She loves him so much, she can kill him to save him from himself." Yes, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and her feelings for Naruto are two entirely different things, but why would he be so quick to say that and not bother talking about her feelings for him? It's more like he's confused on some level, not that he truly believes she can return his feelings. He went from "Never" to "I'm not sure" because of how Sakura behaved during the confession. Does he think Sakura is in love with him? No, he does not. But the confession kinda mind-screwed him and has a lot of questions so he's not sure what they are anymore lol.

 

However, Naruto was responding to Sakura's claims of loving him as well. One of the first things he said to her was "How? Why?". And if you notice, when Sakura started her words to explain how she fell in love with him during the second hug, Naruto got so angry he pushed her away from her and said the joke wasn't funny. That was a clear implication that he was angry and hurt by Sakura saying something like this when he was so sure she didn't mean it. Like we all know, he knows he loves Sakura. Of course that would bother him, but he also knew she would never lie about something like that without a reason. That just added to more of the frustration.

[Shadow1275]

The funny thing is that the later scene, pretty much at the end of the chapter, still reinforced his feelings for Sakura. If people wants a concrete no manipulative words (even though this one you really can't), then be careful, because you're going to get it BIG TIME. You know what's scary for many, the fact that Sakura is being focused once again. Remember how well that did with 628-631? Well, here we go again. So now, haters, doubters, whoever they are, it may be the time to start acknowledging the pairing existence as well as the high chance that it will be the endgame. Don't have to like it or anything, but the days of debate is getting close.

Best part is Sasukes been around for over 10 chapters and Sakura's focus has been completely on Naruto. Finally, after over 600 chapters of waiting she seems to be over him

 

Even if Sakura hasn't been done justice concerning combat, at least she seems to be getting over her greatest weakness; her misguided feelings for Sasuke.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 October 2013 - 04:30 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I noticed some returning members are here. I wonder if Kishi keeps it up, we will get the megaton NS moment. It's a wishful thinking I know. But imagine that. Lol. Imagine that.......

[Darkness]

 

Dude, Megi is completely fluent in japanese and has been translating stuff for us for a good while now.

 

She always does her best to give us the best and most accurate translations she can. What she does is not "forced or over analyzed".

 

I believe you are you are not understanding what I am trying to say, or perhaps I'm not being clear enough. 

 

I'm not specifically saying what Megi does, or any other person who is fluent in Japanese does, is forced nor is over analyzing things. I'm saying this a common method used by some fans in order to establish more often than not an irrational point. And I've seen it many times regarding the quote we are discussing, so I've come to the conclusion it was the work of such fans. I did not intend to offend anyone who translates the Japanese version, my apologies.

 

Here's one of Megi's own quotes:

「まあ、そんな感じだって…」- "Well, something like that..."

This is all that it says. Nothing more. I do not want people to read into this more than it should be. You do not have to hack at the Japanese language every single time to get a meaning out of it ^^.

 

Also, I've looked up the explanation and indeed what you've mentioned is what it really seems to be in the raw. But again, I didn't necessarily have to have seen any connection with her confession since it simply has no relevance whether Naruto was thinking about it or not. To me, he was being honest to himself and that was his own conclusion. 

 

I'm not a big fan of over analyzing everything because very often you let yourself miss the simple and small things. But, although I admit given the Japanese version he was referring to Sakura's confession, nothing has changed in the regards of where Naruto stands.

Edited by Darkness, 03 October 2013 - 05:02 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Best part is Sasukes been around for over 10 chapters and Sakura's focus has been completely on Naruto. Finally, after over 600 chapters of waiting she seems to be over him

 

Even if Sakura hasn't been done justice concerning combat, at least she seems to be getting over her greatest weakness; her misguided feelings for Sasuke.

In due time, she will be done with Sasuke in romance and just only hope for good friend. I don't mind that, lots of people convert from love interest to normal friend. No, Naruto is not the victim.

 

Oh man, looking back long time ago, it was funny how many people were like, "Sasuke is good!? No! Not only plot is wasted, but now Sakura will fangirl her ass off! We're doom!!! Abandon ship!" Ok, I exaggerated it, but I remember many feared this. Then the more we go along the journey, the more people felt a relief. Maybe not on the story, but on her and Sasuke. I'm just glad Kishi is making Naruto the main guy, no one else. That's how it suppose to be. Not saying he should do everything by himself, but he should be the hero.

[Shadow1275]

In due time, she will be done with Sasuke in romance and just only hope for good friend. I don't mind that, lots of people convert from love interest to normal friend. No, Naruto is not the victim.

 

Oh man, looking back long time ago, it was funny how many people were like, "Sasuke is good!? No! Not only plot is wasted, but now Sakura will fangirl her ass off! We're doom!!! Abandon ship!" Ok, I exaggerated it, but I remember many feared this. Then the more we go along the journey, the more people felt a relief. Maybe not on the story, but on her and Sasuke. I'm just glad Kishi is making Naruto the main guy, no one else. That's how it suppose to be. Not saying he should do everything by himself, but he should be the hero.

Lol, the funny thing was alot of ppl missed some key signs throughout the Land of Iron arc. First, every opponent of NaruSaku liked to claim that the reason she didn't kill him when she had the chance was because she still cared about him. That part was true, but they missed what I think was the most important part of that sequence. The part where she realized how evil he truly was. Naturally that was followed by shock, which leads us to 540. Many ppl say that 540 proves that "Sakura is still in love with Sasuke."

 

In my opinion thats wrong. The main point of 540 was to show that she had accepted who the real Sasuke was, and that there was no chance of it ever working out.[She probably should have figured that one out a lllooooooonnnnnngggggg time ago] but it seems like the LAnd of Iron arc was much less disastrous and a lot more beneficial then ppl realize.

Edited by Shadow1275, 03 October 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[redragon88]

i actually gt almost the same answer when i asked about naruto's "maa sonna kanji datte"

http://answers.yahoo...23212918AAGdnDW

 

That's a pretty good explanation for the situation. I guess the right meaning boils down to (as with many japanese things) how the scenario is presented.

 

From what I see Naruto is taking his answer very seriously hence he truly believes that Sakura and him have something going on that would establish Sakura as somewhat a girlfriend, but not completely at the moment.

Edited by redragon88, 03 October 2013 - 04:58 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol, the funny thing was alot of ppl missed some key signs throughout the Land of Iron arc. First, every opponent of NaruSaku liked to claim that the reason she didn't kill him when she had the chance was because she still cared about him. That part was true, but they missed what I think was the most important part of that sequence. The part where she realized how evil he truly was. Naturally that was followed by shock, which leads us to 540. Many ppl say that 540 proves that "Sakura is still in love with Sasuke."

 

In my opinion thats wrong. The main point of 540 was to show that she had accepted who the real Sasuke was, and that there was no chance of it ever working out.[She probably should have figured that one out a lllooooooonnnnnngggggg time ago] but it seems like the LAnd of Iron arc was much less disastrous and a lot more beneficial then ppl realize.

Yeah, I see your point clearly.

 

To be fair for those grew fear after 627, we still got the effect of 615, even though that moment got downplayed in the following chapter, but still, many of us didn't know what direction Kishi was really going for. Heck, some of us thought the movie was like, "Sorry for not getting this on the manga, but here's your fanservice." So far, it's been consistent. So yeah, time has changed.

 

It's funny to me to see how much 615 changed now. At this point, to me, it feels like that comet episode from The Simpsons, where the town found a plan to take it down and they went outside to look at the comet and just laugh at it. That's me now. Sorry to sound like a bash.

[morgaine4]

 

 

I partly agree. Some part of Naruto's wall is cracked enough for him to not entirely shoot down the possibility of Sakura liking him, hence the "more or less" and almost blank expression when he said it. But he's not truly open to the possibility either, I find trouble believing that considering how stubborn he can be. And his "Sakura-chan loves Sasuke so much!" and Sai's "That's why. She loves him so much, she can kill him to save him from himself." Yes, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and her feelings for Naruto are two entirely different things, but why would he be so quick to say that and not bother talking about her feelings for him? It's more like he's confused on some level, not that he truly believes she can return his feelings. He went from "Never" to "I'm not sure" because of how Sakura behaved during the confession. Does he think Sakura is in love with him? No, he does not. But the confession kinda mind-screwed him and has a lot of questions so he's not sure what they are anymore lol.

 

However, Naruto was responding to Sakura's claims of loving him as well. One of the first things he said to her was "How? Why?". And if you notice, when Sakura started her words to explain how she fell in love with him during the second hug, Naruto got so angry he pushed her away from her and said the joke wasn't funny. That was a clear implication that he was angry and hurt by Sakura saying something like this when he was so sure she didn't mean it. Like we all know, he knows he loves Sakura. Of course that would bother him, but he also knew she would never lie about something like that without a reason. That just added to more of the frustration.

 

Naruto was certainly confused by her expressed feelings for him, as you indicated Naruto has a certain level of obliviousness when it comes to other people.  He operates on the assumption that most people are like him, are as stubborn as he is, and I think he operates on the assumption that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke stem from the same sort of understanding that he has for Sasuke.  It's also true that he pushed her back when she explained why she "fell" for him, but I think it's significant that that was also after he'd zoned out for a bit and recalled Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  I'm certainly not suggesting that Naruto actually believed that Sakura loved him (especially not at that time), but I do think that the purpose of his flashbacks was to indicate that his rejection wasn't based on the notion that Sakura's feelings for him couldn't have changed, but based on the notion that her feelings for Sasuke couldn't have changed and that that's what primarily assured him that something else was going on.  I definitely don't think that Naruto thinks that Sakura loves him (romantically), but his rejection of her confession didn't indicate that he thought that Sakura definitely didn't love him/will never love him (as many argued), and 631was confirmation that he still has feelings for her, and he still has hope.

 

Then there's also the fact that we have to consider he considers himself unworthy of her unless he can keep his promise to her, and while that's not a primary motivation, and while Sakura let him off the hook (twice) I'm not ready to believe that he has let himself off the hook.  I also have a feeling that unless Sakura "picks" him after Sasuke redeems himself, Naruto would feel that she's settling for him/picking second best and he doesn't want her to settle, and he doesn't want to be settled for (he'd rather be alone in that case).

[Hanabi]

 

That's a pretty good explanation for the situation. I guess the right meaning boils down to (as with many japanese things) how the scenario is presented.

 

From what I see Naruto is taking his answer very seriously hence he truly believes that Sakura and him have something going on that would establish Sakura as somewhat a girlfriend, but not completely at the moment.

in the end there's really just one thing. naruto still love sakura lol.

[Darkness]

in the end there's really just one thing. naruto still love sakura lol.

 

At least we all agree with something. 

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

in the end there's really just one thing. naruto still love sakura lol.

And the journey continues.

[bthug]

Damn I was really hoping for a NS moment this chapter, it even seemed like a good setup for a tiny Sakura revelation. W.e its coming soon, so what are your thoughts on Hinata's one panel reiterating what she always says?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Damn I was really hoping for a NS moment this chapter, it even seemed like a good setup for a tiny Sakura revelation. W.e its coming soon, so what are your thoughts on Hinata's one panel reiterating what she always says?

Eh.

 

Honestly, she keeps friendzoning herself.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I can't help, but feel everyone is now over-analyzing the confession, and Nartuto's answer in 631.  Sure, these are great debate topics, and I love how evryone gives clear and detailed posts supoorting their views.  However, I can't help, but be reminded that this a shounen, and romance is not the main focus.  Often at times, we dwell on these moments of NaruSaku and go into what the person is thinking and feeling, anf how one reacted ti certain situations and the reasons behind it.  Again, I like how everyone here goes into such detail.  Still, sometimes I think we dwell to much.  Not that it's a bad thing, but can lose out on seeing very simple answers.

 

I agree, that Naruto and Sakura's relationship is complex.  They are more than friends now, but not quite lovers as another mentioned before.  It reminds me od Ichigo and Rukia, how their relatinship can't be simply classified as friends, lovers, surrogat siblings or whatever,because it is so unique and can't be put in one category.  I'm glad Naruto and Sakura's relationship has taken a similar route.  No doubt they are closer than most couples, and they are not even together yet.  You can't classify them as lovers, not in a romantic and sexual pretense, but that's what I like about their bond.  How they get each other and understand their motivations, especially with Sakura to Naruto.  I have no doubt she is the one who now understands the most.  That's to be expected since she's been there from the beginning.  She thought of him as an annoyance at first, but look at how she regards him now.  It was something that was building up as far back as the "You're annoying" incident, as she started to see him differently.  While Naruto has loved her since the beginning, he has to realize she is different from what she used to be in certain matters as well.

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't know how much the SS ship can take anymore before exploding. It has already been sunk to the bottom of the bottom of the ocean, yet fans still find the guts to claim Sakura will go back to fangirling Sasuke as soon as he shows up on the battlefield. After all, to stay with Sasuke she only has to dismiss very small things such as murder.

 

The only string of hope that kept a SS relationship barely alive were Sakura's one-sided feelings for Sasuke at the end of part 1, while Sasuke on the other hand has never shown any kind of interest of any kind in anyone. 

 

But ok, let's play along for a while. When Sasuke comes back, Sakura will first and foremost show her concern for him once again and make it very clear to every reader how she loves him. Therefore it is expected to see Sakura thinking about Sasuke more than anyone else, being concerned about his main objectives, demonstrating then she wants to be with him. Not only that, but Sasuke will also realize that deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep inside his heart he had feelings for Sakura all along, and will start to treat her differently from the way he did during all part 1. 

 

Except.... you guessed it right. He has already been there for 19 chapters. And still, we haven't seen anything, I repeat, anything that could even be slightly considered as a SS moment or evidence. Not a single thought about Sasuke's well being, his feelings, his goals, his happiness, were shown in Sakura's mind. Absolutely nothing. The only thing shown was her reaction to Sai's question: "How do you really feel about Sasuke?"

 

Sakura's Answer

 

 

Add that to the fact Sasuke tried to kill her three times, I really am astonished at how she was able to perform a smile while thinking of someone like that. I wound't be able to do it myself.

 

The bottom line is: Sakura is not the same girl she was in part 1, no matter how many people claim against it.

She has grown up to be a person capable of recognizing her own mistakes and give her best to fix them. Capable of seeing who really deserves to be happy, whose dreams are really worth of fighting for. Capable of recognizing herself as not worthy of being loved by such person, and at the same time fight and protect those dreams even if it comes to the cost of her own life. The one thing she is not capable yet is to accept she has actually fallen in love with the last person in the world she would've ever expected.

 

Both sides of the SS rope have fallen. I'm not bashing or trying to disrespect anyone's opinion, I'm just stating a undenyable fact. Whether some poeple like it or not, SS is over. Time to move on and...

 

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Awesome, Darkness.  Just awesome. 

 

Did you edit that scan?

 

@RomanceGirl

Where did you find that avatar?  Or did you make it?  It looks nice.