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[Fairy Tail Fantard]

 

 

 

I honestly don't know how much the SS ship can take anymore before exploding. It has already been sunk to the bottom of the bottom of the ocean, yet fans still find the guts to claim Sakura will go back to fangirling Sasuke as soon as he shows up on the battlefield. After all, to stay with Sasuke she only has to dismiss very small things such as murder.

 

The only string of hope that kept a SS relationship barely alive were Sakura's one-sided feelings for Sasuke at the end of part 1, while Sasuke on the other hand has never shown any kind of interest of any kind in anyone. 

 

But ok, let's play along for a while. When Sasuke comes back, Sakura will first and foremost show her concern for him once again and make it very clear to every reader how she loves him. Therefore it is expected to see Sakura thinking about Sasuke more than anyone else, being concerned about his main objectives, demonstrating then she wants to be with him. Not only that, but Sasuke will also realize that deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep inside his heart he had feelings for Sakura all along, and will start to treat her differently from the way he did during all part 1. 

 

Except.... you guessed it right. He has already been there for 19 chapters. And still, we haven't seen anything, I repeat, anything that could even be slightly considered as a SS moment or evidence. Not a single thought about Sasuke's well being, his feelings, his goals, his happiness, were shown in Sakura's mind. Absolutely nothing. The only thing shown was her reaction to Sai's question: "How do you really feel about Sasuke?"

 

Sakura's Answer

 

 

Add that to the fact Sasuke tried to kill her three times, I really am astonished at how she was able to perform a smile when thinking of someone like that. I wound't be able to do it myself.

 

The bottom line is: Sakura is not the same girl she was in part 1, no matter how many people claim against it.

She has grown up to be a person capable of recognizing her own mistakes and give her best to fix them. Capable of seeing who really deserves to be happy, whose dreams are really worth of fighting for. Capable of recognizing herself as not worthy of being loved by such person, and at the same time fight and protect those dreams even if it comes to the cost of her own life. The one thing she is not capable yet is to accept she has actually fallen in love with the last person in the world she would've ever expected.

 

Both sides of the SS rope have fallen. I'm not bashing or trying to disrespect anyone's opinion, I'm just stating a undenyable fact. Wheather some poeple like it or not, SS is over. Time to move on and...

 

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I can't even begin to say how much I agree with this post!

Edited by Fairy Tail Fantard, 02 October 2013 - 09:39 PM.

[KnS]

 

Sorry, I suppose I wasn't clear. I meant his words during the confession, the "This joke's not funny," as meaning for him to say that to Sakura and the turn around and joke about it himself.

 

And yes, since Naruto was apparently referencing Sakura's confession to Minato, it leads me to believe that Naruto believes there was at least some truth in it.

 

**barges into the conversation**  Apparently this is the day for me to recycle stuff I've said before.      This is from the end of May, and is my interpretation of where things stand since the confession.  

 

Hmm.  I see it a little differently.  Consider:

+ Sakura tromps out to the snowy Land of Iron and tells Naruto she loves him in front of Kakashi-sensei, Yamato-taicho, and several of their friends.

+ The look on Naruto's face clearly proves that those are the words he's been waiting to hear from her.

+ Nevertheless, Naruto begins to distrust and question Sakura.  He tells her that joking about something like her feelings for him isn't funny.

+ Naruto tells Sakura very seriously that he hates people who lie to themselves.

+ Sakura responds by getting angry.  She is indignant that Naruto dares to say she doesn't know her own mind or how she feels.  She tells him to quit trying to twist things around, and that if he doesn't like her / love her / want her / feel the same way then he should just say so.

+ Naruto does not deny his feelings for her.  He simply questions again why she would bring it all up at that moment.

+ Sakura leaves, and Sai goes on to give a better explanation of her actions.  He also confirms that Sakura's actions were for Naruto's sake.

The bottom line is, Sakura said she loved Naruto and when she essentially asked him to refuse her if he didn't feel the same way, he didn't.  

So even though both Naruto and Sakura (and the witnesses, for that matter) know it's not that simple, and that the issue of her feelings for Sasuke have not been 100% resolved, and Naruto was not satisfied that she chose him willingly and for the right reasons, that's how it was left -- that they were "more or less" boyfriend and girlfriend because neither denied it.

 

That's why Naruto answered his father the way he did.  He stumbled with the answer because it's basically true -- because of Sakura's confession and Naruto's desire + his lack of refusal -- but it's not clearly resolved.  Kishimoto used Minato to ask the question as a way of letting readers know where Naruto stands.  

 

 

[redragon88]

 

Sorry, I suppose I wasn't clear. I meant his words during the confession, the "This joke's not funny," as meaning for him to say that to Sakura and the turn around and joke about it himself.

 

And yes, since Naruto was apparently referencing Sakura's confession to Minato, it leads me to believe that Naruto believes there was at least some truth in it.

 

Yeah, the fact that Naruto takes Sakura's feelings very seriously would indicate we wouldn't just put words in her mouth so that must mean that in some of what Sakura said was true and Naruto is making reference of it.

 

He did claim Sakura was his girlfriend to Konohamaru in Part 1, but back then he only said it to satisfy himself and didn't make any mention of that being what Sakura said, so I suppose that shows the difference from back then and now.

 

I suppose the other fans would try to apply a backwards conclusion to the situation. They will say that because Sakura's confession is a lie that means Naruto is lying/joking in 631, when in reality is because of what Naruto said in 631 that it proves that Sakura's confession had some part that where taken as true to Naruto.

[morgaine4]

 

Well, when I say she competes with Tenten, doesn't mean she's as flat as Tenten...... but it's definitely close enough with the way Kishi's been writing her as of lately. Her interaction with Chiyo was definitely a high point for her character. But after that, there's none to be seen for her like the one with Chiyo. I would think this is a matter of consistency, though. 

 

I don't really blame you for not having read enough mangas to be able to compare Naruto. Naruto must be your first series, am I right? well, then I suggest that you read both FMA and Fairy Tail. The former's been completed already, the latter is still on-going. If fanservice and ecchiness is not your cup of tea, then you might want to avoid the latter, (even though you're going to end up missing out on a great manga!) both mangas are in my top list of favorites.

 

I see what your saying, and while it's problematic that Sakura seemed to have become an after-thought recently, I feel that the quality of her development with Chiyo, and the quality of her development with regards to Sasori's conversion/fall from grace was so high that it really doesn't matter that the quantity of Sakura development had been reduced.  I do agree that Kishi has a consistency problem to a large degree (on the other hand, he's also very good at "ignoring" certain points for a long time, then bringing them up again much later when relevant), and that he's seemingly wonderful at forgetting characters, but having recently re-read/skimmed through much of the manga, I've noticed that Sakura is more involved even in the War than it seemed when reading the manga on a chapter-by-chapter basis.

 

I'll check those out eventually, I got into Naruto because years and years ago on our way to HS my carpool and I were stuck in major traffic.  He had a couple of volumes of Naruto on him, and I thought it was interesting.  I'm actually interested in reading Kurohime as well.  Ecchi doesn't bother me, Jacqueline Carey's first Terre d'Ange trilogy is my favorite fictional series and as an Undergrad I used to teach undergraduate and graduate students sex ed it's really a shame how little knowledge some graduate students have...

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@KnS

 

I'm not sure if you were refuting my post or not, but I agree. There's nothing simple about the situation between Naruto and Sakura after the Land of Iron - there's still Sasuke and definitely misunderstandings that needs to be resolved.

[Shadow1275]

In my opinion anyway, SS been dead ever since he turned her down in part 1, she just doesn't seem like she's interested in him in that kind of way anymore. 540 for me seemed like she had accepted that it wasn't going to happen. So in my opinion Sakura only has feelings for Naruto now.

 

As for the confession though, while I think Sakura was being truthful about her feelings for naruto, I don't think he believes her. In my opinion he either thinks that she really doesn't love him and still "loves" Sasuke, or that she has feelings for both of them and he wants to know that he is the only one she loves in a romantic sense. Doesn't mean that he doesn't still love her cause he does, just that he doesn't think she loves him back yet.

 

As for NH, I don't think its been sunk but its taken one hell of a Torpedo. Just needs a knockout punch to put the final nail in the coffin.

Edited by Shadow1275, 02 October 2013 - 10:02 PM.

[morgaine4]

 

He did claim Sakura was his girlfriend to Konohamaru in Part 1, but back then he only said it to satisfy himself and didn't make any mention of that being what Sakura said, so I suppose that shows the difference from back then and now.

 

He was also only 12/13 when that happened, he was very different back then, he was closer to the person willing to transform into Sasuke and trick Sakura (when I think about that and how else Naruto expressed his crush, I can't blame Sakura for misinterpreting Naruto so badly back then).  It was after seeing Sakura hug Sasuke, and her request after Sasuke defected that we saw Naruto's maturity specifically with regards to his feelings for Sakura.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, after that random comment, I want to share with you guys on the latest chapter, but go to 18:37. It's about the effect that made me say that comment. Lol.

 

Go to 18:37

 

Leave a comment and thank you.

[redragon88]

@KnS

 

I'm not sure if you were refuting my post or not, but I agree. There's nothing simple about the situation between Naruto and Sakura after the Land of Iron - there's still Sasuke and definitely misunderstandings that needs to be resolved.

 

Yeah, it's too bad other fans just see the situation in black and white.

 

Instead of going back and thinking of how the confession was left up in the air in regards to where they stand in their feelings, they would just rather scream "SAKURA LOVE SASUKE SOOOOOOOO MUCH, BLA BLA BLA"  and immediately dismiss everything else that happened.

 

They want to see the story in the perspective of "Sakura will love Sasuke forever" instead of "Sakura's feelings are complicated". So they'll give priority to any evidence of Sakura still loving Sasuke (no matter how awful the example is) and not think of Sakura's feelings as a whole which take into account how she feels for Naruto.

 

 

He was also only 12/13 when that happened, he was very different back then, he was closer to the person willing to transform into Sasuke and trick Sakura (when I think about that and how else Naruto expressed his crush, I can't blame Sakura for misinterpreting Naruto so badly back then).  It was after seeing Sakura hug Sasuke, and her request after Sasuke defected that we saw Naruto's maturity specifically with regards to his feelings for Sakura.

 

Don't forget how he fought against Gaara and Shukaku (a freaking tailed beast) at age 12/13 with his drive being to protect Sakura no matter what.

 

That was the first indication of how powerful Naruto's feelings are.

Edited by redragon88, 02 October 2013 - 10:09 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Yeah, it's too bad other fans just see the situation in black and white.

 

Instead of going back and thinking of how the confession was left up in the air in regards to where they stand in their feelings, they would just rather scream "SAKURA LOVE SASUKE SOOOOOOOO MUCH, BLA BLA BLA"  and immediately dismiss everything else that happened.

 

They want to see the story in the perspective of "Sakura will love Sasuke forever" instead of "Sakura's feelings are complicated". So they'll give priority to any evidence of Sakura still loving Sasuke (no matter how awful the example is) and not think of Sakura's feelings as a whole which take into account how she feels for Naruto.

Yeah, sad.

 

Fun fact: I went back to old chapters and Ino was the only one that fangirl Sasuke's victory in preliminary as Sakura just went "What a relief" face. Funny because they both know Sasuke got a problem with that seal but eh, I just thought it was something.

[morgaine4]

Don't forget how he fought against Gaara and Shukaku (a freaking tailed beast) at age 12/13 with his drive being to protect Sakura no matter what.

 

That was the first indication of how powerful Naruto's feelings are.

 

Oh definitely.  I should have been clearer (hey, it made sense in my mind), but earlier I was primarily discussing how Naruto's approach seemed to change after those two events.  When fighting Gaara we saw that his feelings for Sakura could motivate his strength, but those the events I mentioned underscored Naruto's maturity and selflessness --he'd stand aside and place Sakura's happiness above his own.

[HauntedCake]

Know what the best part about 649 is?

 

Sakura is crying in happiness, not over Sasuke, not for Shikamaru (though she is glad he managed to save Shikamaru), she is happy because he was able to use his will to save Shikamaru, though Sakura did help too. But hey just think about this, Sakura was crying in joy that Naruto saved a friend like Shikamaru, this was someone who Sakura doesn't love but imagine her reaction to Naruto next time when something directly positive involving them occurs.

 

As I see it she healed the physical wound/started the event, Naruto supplied the chakra to refill what Shikamaru lost to the tree so he would become stable, Tsunade came to get him back on his feet. Thats what I see that basically happened.

Bolded: how can there be any arguments saying sakura doesn't love naruto now?

 

We say in 631 she didn't deny being his girlfriend so how can she not be in love with him now?

 

She's his gf but they dont love each other????????

 

 

Make your mind up is she or not?

 

not trying to sound aggresive here

Edited by HauntedCake, 02 October 2013 - 10:27 PM.

[KnS]

@KnS

 

I'm not sure if you were refuting my post or not, but I agree. There's nothing simple about the situation between Naruto and Sakura after the Land of Iron - there's still Sasuke and definitely misunderstandings that needs to be resolved.

 

No, not refuting you at all.  I agree with what you said.  I just grabbed that moment in the thread to jam my repeat comments in there, lol.

 

And yeah, there's nothing simple about the way things were left.  Of course, Kishimoto did that on purpose so it leaves things up in the air.  But like I said, I think Naruto's response -- that Sakura was "more or less" his girlfriend -- was meant to prove where his feelings stand.  That was important after #615, since so many people misunderstood it. 

[redragon88]

There's no better place than youtube to remind you how some people are just not worth getting into a discussion with.

 

I sometimes have to remind myself that there's plenty of people who don't have the level of reasoning and emotional composure I have. And thus are not worthy of my time since it would be the same as talking with a child throwing a tamper tantrum (which they might literally be given youtube's anonymity).

 

When you deal with a random angry little kid you simply ignore it, so the same applies to those type of people you find in the internet.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Whenever I see such comments on youtube, I automatically imagine them like this: 

Nonsensical furious banging and tapping forming ridiculous and senseless "arguments" and comments...

[rocci]

Well it's YouTube so what you expect?

[Inferno180]

Eh haters like forneverworld and sawyer wasted no time in their views to downgrade stuff. Forneverworld just focused on shikamrau and totally bypassed Sakura's presence yet he still had to make an unnessessary nh comment he wants to happen. Swayer being the moron he is thinks sakura was useless again and that ino should have somehow been thanked by tsunade.

Oh haters trying to discredit sakura again. Many have said she was useless and did nothing to save shikamru and that he would her concern for naruto is dumb. I'm sorry, hold up. Her concern of naruto is dumb or she worries to much? Yeah she worries about naruto cause she is his friend. Did these guys forget how concerned she was about naruto burning himself out from 628? Naurto saved everyone from the jubbis natural disaster attack but it wore him out even kurama warned him about that before. Sakura wanted naruto to stop at first because she knew it could have happened again, she changed her mind once ino told her he was doing it subconsciously. Naruto was busy fighting but had a desire to not let anyone else die like neji. This subconiously helped shikamaru get back up. Besides sakura still helped heal him, as I said before it's lik she started healing, naruto indirectly supplied more chakra to replace wh the lost, and tusnade got him back on his feet. It was a team effort to get him up. Besides tsunade now knowing everything sakura did as katstyu told her, tsunade was obviously proud of her student for archiving the seal, summoning, strength, remote healing, and taking charge to heal and help in anyway she could. Even if sakura didn't pull the major save we wanted, tsunde a powerful and well developed character in her own is proud and acknowledged Sakura's achievement. What is hinata doing these days aside from just wanting to be near naruto? Hinata ain't pulling any heroic acts lately yet some people still think she is.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

He was also only 12/13 when that happened, he was very different back then, he was closer to the person willing to transform into Sasuke and trick Sakura (when I think about that and how else Naruto expressed his crush, I can't blame Sakura for misinterpreting Naruto so badly back then).  It was after seeing Sakura hug Sasuke, and her request after Sasuke defected that we saw Naruto's maturity specifically with regards to his feelings for Sakura.

Yep and that kind of tormented him.
He was very mature to handle that and apart of the "girlfriend" thign which part of me believes it was a joke because it goes totally against his beliefs on the land of iron( just to clear up doenst matter if he was joking or not, he stated directly that he loves Sakura and desires to be her boyfriends killing NH on the process and GG).

 

So going back, he deal with it maturely but i cant deny the fact that he's tormented by it, he could not believe on Sakura's words even when she made an honest expression to tell the lie, because he strongly believe she loves Sasuke and can only be happy with him, it's cool that Naruto make that statement but something like that cant pass out without proper resolution, i mean kishi resolving this big problem off-panel?

The only problem that Naruto has in terms of NS is how "traumatized" he is because of that SS moments who were like a punch on his heart.

we never got a resolution for Naruto on the land of iron and neither he witnessed Sakura's devotion towards him, he's always fainted or misleaded by people like Sai who told him that she was doing it for Sasuke.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Well it's YouTube so what you expect?

Hahaha, you have a point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So do you think this is a beginning of greatness for NS?