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[redragon88]

Here's a question: what has held Naruto back from making a move on Sakura, since he acknowledged he was going to honor the promise he made to her about Sasuke?

Oh that's easy. Naruto doesn't make a move on Sakura because the Team 7 dynamic has been put on hold ever since Sasuke left. In Naruto's mind if he tried to win Sakura's heart while Sasuke wasn't around then he would believe that the only reason Sakura would reciprocate to his feelings is because Sasuke wasn't there to make her change her mind.

He want to win Sakura's heart fair and square. Naruto doesn't want Sakura to fall for him just because her other option is out of the question. Naruto wants Sasuke to be reasonable option for Sakura but it can't happen as of now since Sasuke is still part of the dark side. Only when Sasuke is part of the light again and becomes someone Sakura could reasonably be with, only for her to decide she loves Naruto instead, is when Naruto will be satisfied with her decision.

[ramenanmitsu]

Oh that's easy. Naruto doesn't make a move on Sakura because the Team 7 dynamic has been put on hold ever since Sasuke left. In Naruto's mind if he tried to win Sakura's heart while Sasuke wasn't around then he would believe that the only reason Sakura would reciprocate to his feelings is because Sasuke wasn't there to make her change her mind.

He want to win Sakura's heart fair and square. Naruto doesn't want Sakura to fall for him just because her other option is out of the question. Naruto wants Sasuke to be reasonable option for Sakura but it can't happen as of now since Sasuke is still part of the dark side. Only when Sasuke is part of the light again and becomes someone Sakura could reasonably be with, only for her to decide she loves Naruto instead, is when Naruto will be satisfied with her decision.

I agree.

But one thing that makes me thinking is what will Naruto do if Sasuke does get redeemed but dies in the process. If Sakura chooses Naruto then, to Naruto won't it look like she chose him because the other option was dead? It's one reason I believe that NaruSaku needs Sasuke to be alive when he's redeemed.

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 March 2012 - 04:03 AM.

[Fenris]

I think Naruto already knows fully well that Sakura may not love Sasuke as much as he thinks she does anymore. When the picture in his head of team 7 shattered, after her confession - To me, that was a sign.

[redragon88]

I agree.

But one thing that makes me thinking is what will Naruto do if Sasuke does get redeemed but dies in the process. If Sakura chooses Naruto then, to Naruto won't it look like she chose him because the other option was dead? It's one reason I believe that NaruSaku needs Sasuke to be alive when he's redeemed.

Naruto already decided that if they fight they both will die. It's either the two of them alive or dead. The yin and the yang must coexist in balance either in this world or the next.

[ramenanmitsu]

I think Naruto already knows fully well that Sakura may not love Sasuke as much as he thinks she does anymore. When the picture in his head of team 7 shattered, after her confession - To me, that was a sign.

Good point. But I think that the picture being shattered was a sign of the old team 7 that was together being scattered rather than him realizing that she doesn't love Sasuke as much anymore. Sasuke is going further away from the old team 7 by committing crimes, Sakura being further away from old team 7 by trying to kill Sasuke. I want the old team 7 back

(I still would've preferred the manga if it was a story of team 7 fighting enemies together than a story of team 7 fighting each other.)

Naruto already decided that if they fight they both will die. It's either the two of them alive or dead. The yin and the yang must coexist in balance either in this world or the next.

I never thought about the yin and yang. That's an excellent point.

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 March 2012 - 04:21 AM.

[merryGOflava]

Naruto already decided that if they fight they both will die. It's either the two of them alive or dead. The yin and the yang must coexist in balance either in this world or the next.

then sasuke better live for naruto's sake.

and...for the sake of narusaku!!!

[Fenris]

Good point. But I think that the picture being shattered was a sign of the old team 7 that was together being scattered rather than him realizing that she doesn't love Sasuke as much anymore. Sasuke is going further away from the old team 7 by committing crimes, Sakura being further away from old team 7 by trying to kill Sasuke. I want the old team 7 back

(I still would've preferred the manga if it was a story of team 7 fighting enemies together than a story of team 7 fighting each other.)

It could of verywell been both But I agree that it was most likely that she was gonna go kill Sasuke.
But who knows

[Dragunov]

Simple. He's stubbornly set in the mindset that she's in love with Sasuke.

So in other words, Sakura has to confess in order for their relationship to move forward?

[Fenris]

So in other words, Sakura has to confess in order for their relationship to move forward?

I think they just.. need to have a really good moment between them. Like when Kushina said, "the moment Minato said he liked my hair, I knew I loved him." so..

[Dragunov]

I think they just.. need to have a really good moment between them. Like when Kushina said, "the moment Minato said he liked my hair, I knew I loved him." so..

Isnt that basically the same thing?

[Darth Krypt]

I think they just.. need to have a really good moment between them. Like when Kushina said, "the moment Minato said he liked my hair, I knew I loved him." so..

Well I don't think its as easy as Naruto doing the forehead scene to Sakura again. The Sasuke debacle will have to be resolved first before the forehead scene can be done in peace. So its either,

Naruto: I love your forehead Sakura.
Sakura: OMG Naruto I love you. But our bestfriend is still a psycho.
Naruto: ....

OR...

Naruto: I love your forehead Sakura.
Sakura: OMG Naruto I love you. Alright lets go save Sasuke before we can make babies.
Naruto: Aww man. Not now?

Or after Sasuke's deal is done....

Naruto: I love your forehead Sakura.
Sakura: OMG Naruto I love you. LETS MAKE BABIES NAOW!
Naruto & Sakura:

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

What? I thought you were talking about sharing? Not the concubinage system.

In the Edo era, only the highest royal families and the highest samurais had a concubine. It doesn't apply to ninjas.
Also, the concubinage system in Japan are seen with disgust from modern days people. The concubinage system in Japan was known to make women homicidal, suicidal, miserable, and humiliated. It's one of the disgrace of Japanese history. Another reason I don't see why Kishi will write it or the Japanese young people would want to read such a sick system that treated woman like objects.

If Naruto dates both girls, but doesn't allow Sakura to do the same because she's a girl, then he's no different to a cruel, hypocritical jerk that existed and mistreated woman in the Edo era of Japan. He doesn't deserve her.
Note: I'm not talking about modern day threesome where the three people love each other equally or foursome where four people love each other equally regardless of gender.

This was what I'm saying.

I don't see Sasuke and Sai in a relationship...Have they ever shown interaction other than at Orochimaru's lair?

Wooo calm down. I'm not trying to bash any character. I know about men have to be born at least a noble to have concubines or high ranking officers. But this is Narutoverse where Ninjas are indeed Nobles like The Uchiha and Hyuuga Clan. And Naruto doesn't have to follow Concubinage System. Only the benefit that he can marry more than one woman at the same time.

Though, Naruto will definatelly not be the one to initiate the threeway relationship. It's going to be decide between Sakura and Hinata if they agreed to it that is. So don't worry about Naruto treating Sakura unfair because that was and her and Hinata's agreement in the first place.

And explain to me why Sasuke and Sai have to do with any of this?*shrugs* ]

You know what existed in the ninja world instead of concubines? Seductresses. Kunoichi's main job(mostly only job) was to act as a seductress.

Sakura and Hinata sleeping around with other men for the sake of mission are more likely to happen than Sasuke having a few concubines if we follow what happened in Edo.
No amount of playing around with words are going to be convincing that it's logical for a guy to have many girls, but when a girl does it is a crime.

We haven't seen a kunoichi sleep around with Daimyos for the sake of the mission in Naruto.
We haven't seen a kunoichi getting raped around when that was common in those days.
And we'll likely never see the concubine system that didn't even happen to Ninjas in the edo era. Not to mention, the concubine system that happened in old times, was ugly, disgraceful, cruel and sickening.

Your idea of Hinata having to share Naruto in order to have him is an idea I have only ever seen in fanfiction. If NaruHina happens, but Naruto wants to date other girls, Hinata can do it too. I fail to see your logic here, how Naruto can do whatever he wants but Hinata can't.

I'm not talking about sharing or threesome. I'm talking about you saying that a guy can sleep around with other girls when a girl can't.

SasuSai is a new one, it does show how much Sasuke loves himself if he dates a guy who is a look alike to him. And I love their bantering in Doc Destructo's fics(if that can happen in canon)!

But I do prefer SasuNaru over SasuSai

You're being over critical. This was never about Naruto. It's about Sakura and Hinata. How they are going resolve issue that atleast one of them will have Naruto in the end. And I feel this topic will lead to more flame baiting and giving the wrong notion that I'm bashing both Sakura and Hinata's character, which "someone" previously had the notion that I was slandering Sakura's character in the other thread a week ago. I'll save you the trouble of doing that and just keep the threesome theories to myself because obviously you think I'm being silly.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 28 March 2012 - 10:42 AM.

[Kageteiou]

I kind of want to see a moment that really solidifies Sakura's love for Naruto as opposed to her lingering feelings for Sasuke. I've always been a fan of Sakura's reaction to when Naruto transformed into his four tailed form when she thought the boy she had grown to care about so much was lost to her, so maybe something along those lines except maybe him seemingly dying and her world being completely shaken to the core because of it, revealing to her how much she has actually fallen in love with him (Yamato was not hinting at that for nothing after the incident on the bridge). However, Sasuke seems to be the only one that could put him into that state, and seeing as that would permanently portray his character as a villlain and his redemption is a critical part of the story it will probably not happen. There are other probable ways to convey this sentament as well I'm sure, I'm not trying to say that I want her to suffer or anything for not realizing sooner, I was just trying to come up with a similar circumstance because I really want her to put Sasuke in the past and accept that she has strong feelings for Naruto that are way past the border of just friendship.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I kind of want to see a moment that really solidifies Sakura's love for Naruto as opposed to her lingering feelings for Sasuke. I've always been a fan of Sakura's reaction to when Naruto transformed into his four tailed form when she thought the boy she had grown to care about so much was lost to her, so maybe something along those lines except maybe him seemingly dying and her world being completely shaken to the core because of it, revealing to her how much she has actually fallen in love with him (Yamato was not hinting at that for nothing after the incident on the bridge). However, Sasuke seems to be the only one that could put him into that state, and seeing as that would permanently portray his character as a villlain and his redemption is a critical part of the story it will probably not happen. There are other probable ways to convey this sentament as well I'm sure, I'm not trying to say that I want her to suffer or anything for not realizing sooner, I was just trying to come up with a similar circumstance because I really want her to put Sasuke in the past and accept that she has strong feelings for Naruto that are way past the border of just friendship.

It's not going to be easy,which is why I want Sasuke to kill her love ones or put Naruto in a near death state. She needs to experience Naruto and Sauke's future battle. I want her to regret her choice not to plunge the poisonous kunai into Sasuke's back when she realizes that Naruto will be taken away from her--his life cut short all because of her old infatuation she still harbors for Sasuke. it may seem like bashing, but she needs a wake up call, or something.

[AzureWaters]

I, personally, do not think Sakura is in love with Naruto right now. I am not convinced in the least that she was telling the truth during her confession. It seemed fake and forced, and the characters behaved like it was such. I do believe she will come to love him, but at the moment Sasuke looks to have a bigger place in her heart when it comes to romantic affection.

I also do not think NaruSaku is the only possible route for pairing resolution. Despite supporting NaruSaku, I still recognize that SasuSaku or NaruHina is possible. Whether its bad writing or not, Kishi has given attention to those two as well (especially recently) and its not impossible for him to make one or the other canon.

Edited by AzureWaters, 28 March 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[Fenris]

I, personally, do not think Sakura is in love with Naruto right now. I am not convinced in the least that she was telling the truth during her confession. It seemed fake and forced, and the characters behaved like it was such. I do believe she will come to love him, but at the moment Sasuke looks to have a bigger place in her heart when it comes to romantic affection.

I also do not think NaruSaku is the only possible route for pairing resolution. Despite supporting NaruSaku, I still recognize that SasuSaku or NaruHina is possible. Whether its bad writing or not, Kishi has given attention to those two as well (especially recently) and its not impossible for him to make one or the other canon.

Sorry but are you're forgetting that it was something we've seen before. Just Hinata being Hinata. Was there any Naruto involved in that? No, there wasn't --- at all.

Edited by Fenris, 28 March 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[AzureWaters]

You're forgetting that it was something we've seen before. Just Hinata being Hinata. Was there any Naruto involved in that? No, there wasn't --- at all.

I guess the problem is that I still see NaruSaku as one-sided romantically. For me, its practically on the same boat as the others when it comes to one-sided affection. Sakura has developed more with Naruto than the others have done with their love-interest, but imo its been mostly friendship and genuine care on her part. She doesn't give off the feeling of being in love with him.

"Hinata being Hinata" is not good for us, btw. She's not going to sit back and stutter and blush at Naruto. Her determination to get what she wants is not something we've seen before. Prior to 573, she's still been relatively shy and looked to be alright with just loving him from a distance. Not anymore.

Edited by AzureWaters, 28 March 2012 - 04:11 PM.

[Fenris]

I guess the problem is that I still see NaruSaku as one-sided romantically. For me, its practically on the same boat as the others when it comes to one-sided affection. Sakura has devloped more with Naruto than the others have done with their love-interest, but imo its been mostly friendship and genuine care on her part. She doesn't give off the feeling of being in love with him.

"Hinata being Hinata" is not good for us, btw. She's not going to sit back and stutter and blush at Naruto. Her determination to get what she wants is not something we've seen before. Prior to 573, she's still been relatively shy and looked to be alright with just loving him from a distance. Not anymore.

But, imo, Naruto and Sakura both share a bond that's like a nuclear bomb to the others. First chapter of shippuden, we see Sakura blushing and staring at admiration at Naruto. The Zabuza arc in part 1, several people have mentioned this before: She stares at Naruto in amazement and subconsciously questions her feelings for him and at the time doesn't know what they are. And during the Gaara fight, she unconsciously whispers his name.
There's a whole list of NaruSaku moments from both sides here: http://s36.photobuck...e/NaruSakuManga

For some reason, I just see it as both. Really, cause I've seen proof of it. But we can believe differently to whatever situation so you have your rights to your own opinion too of course I'm just... sharing my thoughts as a reply.. XD Please don't think I'm lashing out at you or anything.

I particulary like the moment at the Kage Summit arc where both Sasuke and Naruto are charging at each other, but she yells Naruto's name instead, and is most concerned about his safety rather than the man she "loves."

[ramenanmitsu]

Wooo calm down. I'm not trying to bash any character. I know about men have to be born at least a noble to have concubines or high ranking officers. But this is Narutoverse where Ninjas are indeed Nobles like The Uchiha and Hyuuga Clan. And Naruto doesn't have to follow Concubinage System. Only the benefit that he can marry more than one woman at the same time.

Though, Naruto will definatelly not be the one to initiate the threeway relationship. It's going to be decide between Sakura and Hinata if they agreed to it that is. So don't worry about Naruto treating Sakura unfair because that was and her and Hinata's agreement in the first place.

And explain to me why Sasuke and Sai have to do with any of this?*shrugs* ]

You're being over critical. This was never about Naruto. It's about Sakura and Hinata. How they are going resolve issue that atleast one of them will have Naruto in the end. And I feel this topic will lead to more flame baiting and giving the wrong notion that I'm bashing both Sakura and Hinata's character, which "someone" previously had the notion that I was slandering Sakura's character in the other thread a week ago. I'll save you the trouble of doing that and just keep the threesome theories to myself because obviously you think I'm being silly.

Whoa stop being paranoid. I was not attacking you. This is the debate thread. And no, I do not see you bashing any characters. As far as I read your previous posts probably I bash Sakura much more than you do.

I was not being critical about your statement of how you want a guy to be with two girls. I was pointing out your double standard that you are insisting a three way relationship will happen with one boys and two girls, and yet you are denying when I use the same logic as you to show that one girl and two boys can happen just as much. How is this not a double standard?

I will use the same logic as you to show how it can be going both ways.
-If Sakura and Hinata have to resolve the issue that atleast one of them will have Naruto in the end, then Naruto and Lee will have to resolve the issue that atleast one of them are going to have Sakura in the end. Sakura and Hinata can share Naruto just like Naruto and Lee can share Sakura, or Naruto and Sasuke can share Sakura. Same logic.

-There were noble ninjas in the Edo era as well. And the real nobles were still the daimyos that exist in Naruto as well.
Your logic of applying the rules of the daimyo and ignoring the rules of the noble shinobis of the Edo era seems like a convenient twist of logic on your side to make one boy and two girls plausible. If you are going to use the Edo era argument because the ninjas are from the Edo era, then make it consistent and use the rules that apply to the ninjas than forcefully applying rules of the nobles to fit your idea.

Also, if you are going to apply the "because it happened in the Edo era" argument let me apply the same as well.
-Kunoichis when they become adult were mainly used as seductresses to sleep with the target and gain information. I can use this "because it happened in the Edo era" argument YOU used yourself to show that it's plausible that Sakura and Hinata will sleep with many other guys for the sake of the mission.

-If Hinata is a selfless person that will do whatever to keep Naruto, then she is a selfless people that can sleep with other people for the sake of the mission and for the Fire Country.

Did you see what I did there? We can play around with words forever to show anything sound plausible.

Bottom line: I don't care if you want one boy and two girl relationship to happen. Just don't deny me when I apply the same logic you use to show that one girl and two boy relationship is just as likely. I hope we can agree to this.

I'll save you the trouble of doing that and just keep the threesome theories to myself because obviously you think I'm being silly.

I'll say it again, the threesome itself is not silly. It's the double standard you apply that one boy can date with two girls, but one girl can't date with two boys is what I find silly. Do not twist my words to make me sound like I am attacking you. Thank you very much.

[AzureWaters]

But, imo, Naruto and Sakura both share a bond that's like a nuclear bomb to the others. First chapter of shippuden, we see Sakura blushing and staring at admiration at Naruto. The Zabuza arc in part 1, several people have mentioned this before: She stares at Naruto in amazement and subconsciously questions her feelings for him and at the time doesn't know what they are. And during the Gaara fight, she unconsciously whispers his name.
There's a whole list of NaruSaku moments from both sides here: http://s36.photobuck...e/NaruSakuManga

For some reason, I just see it as both. Really, cause I've seen proof of it. But we can believe differently to whatever situation so you have your rights to your own opinion too of course I'm just... sharing my thoughts as a reply.. XD Please don't think I'm lashing out at you or anything.

I particulary like the moment at the Kage Summit arc where both Sasuke and Naruto are charging at each other, but she yells Naruto's name instead, and is most concerned about his safety rather than the man she "loves."

I think, before the start of Kage Summit, it was much more likely for Sakura to like Naruto back as well. There was potential for it, since the start of Shippuden really, but Kishi sort of ruined that with Sakura's devlopment since then. He's put in several "Sakura love Sasuke's" since 2009, and from my perespective, she can only really be in love with one character. I do not think she is split between her feelings or confuesed about them. Sakura herself has even confirmed where her heart lies during 540, and its not something to take lightly. She has definite possibility to change, and I think the main reason is because she won't be able to take much more of Sasuke's behavior. Its not that she is lacking in romantic feelings for him, but she is getting fed up with his actions. Sasuke will likely ruin it all by himself.

Sakura really cares for Naruto, and loves him as well. She'll continue to show concern for his well being whether she ends up with him or not. This doesn't have to mean she wants to be his lover.

I know you're not lashing out at me. xD I respect your thoughts, and the several who think like you. I just have a different perspective on things. The only thing that really matters is that we all adore NaruSaku. ^^