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[ramenanmitsu]

Err, it's been in several Senin manga and is extremely common in hentai doujinshi. It's even suggested in some of the shonen "harem" manga. Moreso than you see in western animation and comics for adults, and far far moreso than in western comics targeted at adolescent boys. The idea of it is much more likely to come from manga and anime. The only place you commonly see it in the west is in porn. (of which teen and 20 something and younger 30 something guys have been far more exposed to than older 30 something and older guys when they they were in their teens and twenties- much more and far more hardcore stuff too. I'm sure that's true for Japanese guys as well.)

I don't mean in manga but in real life. Like in Japan, the idea of sharing is not common as in real life. I haven't seen it in a manga either but then again, I don't read manga often so it's just my lack of knowledge.

And Fenris, definitely. Kishimoto still says Sakura is the character that is meant to be the most "normal" the one readers are meant to connect to Naruto's world through. Sakura sure does seem the most like a real girl to me, strongly reminds me of friends back in college who were female Japanese exchange students. Out of the 15 women I knew most were closest to Sakura in personality, none were anything like Hinata, one was similar to Kushina (heh she would greet me halfway down the hallway very boisterously every day, and always seemed to be so full of energy a couple of them were a kind of like Ino (kind of Alpha, very sure of themselves as women), a couple of others were kind of like manga canon Sailor Mars. (reserved and refined yet assured and intelligent- my Nihongo sensei Tashiro san was one of those. She wasn't just my sensei but was a friend). I learned a lot about the real lives of Japanese women from her and my other friends back in the 80's.

Hinata has always struck me as Japanese take on the typical western stereotype of a Japanese woman than anything like a real Japanese woman.

Well even if Hinata's type of woman are very RARE to find these days, they are still the preferred type of woman(in Japan). So I understand why the western may think Japanese woman are like Hinata. Hinata-type characters appear a lot in Japanese fictions as the ideal-wife-type.

... I really don't see it that way. Honestly if you hadn't mentioned it, I couldn't of seen it as a possibility at all. She's only the "easiest" to understand because that's what her character consists of: Naruto. It's pretty damn simple to understand, do I find it relateable? No. Sorry, but I really don't see how many people can relate to a shy girl who stalks her crush, stutters, and passes out whenever she see's him, know's he's interested in someone else, yet still chases after him and is so sure of herself that she's gonna win him over in the middle of a war. Like someone said before, her little sister is stronger than her. I find that as pretty embarrassing. I'm not bashing her, I'm just being full blown serious.

Narrating Naruto? ... I really don't see that either. If Hinata wasn't around, we'd still get along just fine with building that bridge between readers and manga. I don't understand why she's so important as people make her out to be - cause she's not. She hasn't done anything.

Sorry had to rant.

Relatable wasn't the right word I guess Hmm,she may not be easy to relate to but she is the type of girl that people want to cheer for or root for She makes us emotionally invested in the story (for some people?). The more I read about what I write the more I start to question the necessity of her character....

I found an interesting article in Japanese wikipedia under team 8. I'll translate it below
原作ではあまり出番や活躍がないが、アニメ版では出番と活躍がやたら多い。アニメスタッフの中にヒナタファンが居るらしい。
In canon there aren't many appearances or actions but in animation they appear rather a lot. There seems to be Hinata fan in the Animation staff.

Edited by narunarunaru, 27 March 2012 - 07:48 AM.

[Gravenimage]

My opinion on why Hinata was made up is because Kishi needed to have a "rivalry" for Sakura's feelings to develop to love Naruto. He probably knew there would be a ton of fans out there who would support her, but her only heavy fanbaseis here in America (as far as I know anyway) and Kishi has stated he dosen't pay attention to us Americans (my arent we special) So in a way, this alone levels NH to the ground. NH isn't even popular in Japan as far as I know. NS and SS are some of the highest I think. But if Kishi dosen't pay attention to the U.S, that takes a HUGE chunk out of the NH fanbase world wide.

As I said Hinata is pairing fodder so that Kishi can develop Sakura's character in the romance.

narunarunaru@

Of course this is Pierot most of them are Hinata fans.

Edited by Gravenimage, 27 March 2012 - 09:39 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

So the addition of Hinata/Sasuke in Naruto x Sakura seems unlikely(but we still have fanfiction).

What did you say about my SasuHina?

Whatever, I can't be mad at you for having a logical opinion.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 27 March 2012 - 02:42 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

What did you say about my SasuHina?

Whatever, I can't be mad at u for having a logical opinion.

narunarunaru said the addition of Sasuke OR Hinata into Naruto X Sakura. Nothing to do with Sasuke X Hinata. Sheesh, fanboys.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 27 March 2012 - 02:44 PM.

[Codus N]

I found an interesting article in Japanese wikipedia under team 8. I'll translate it below
原作ではあまり出番や活躍がないが、アニメ版では出番と活躍がやたら多い。アニメスタッフの中にヒナタファンが居るらしい。
In canon there aren't many appearances or actions but in animation they appear rather a lot. There seems to be Hinata fan in the Animation staff.

Regarding Hinata in Part I fillers, I'm just gonna take a pragmatic view and say, Hinata is a cash cow, Period. Pierrot saw that Hinata was a much more lucrative investment than Sakura. I'd take a bet and say that NS filler after Sasuke defected didn't turn up positive reviews, so Pierrot turned to Hinata, and not only that, I think it's also Kishi's fault for underdeveloping his own heroine.

[FoolishYoungling]

narunarunaru said the addition of Sasuke OR Hinata into Naruto X Sakura. Nothing to do with Sasuke X Hinata. Sheesh, fanboys.

XD

[AzureWaters]

Despite Hinata being liked on the anime team, Sakura is still favored more, at least from my perspective. Hinata may get a few really nice episodes or filler moments, but Sakura usually gets the most overall attention--especially for anything shippy. All these claims of favoring NaruHina seem a little faulty to me. I've seen way more NaruSaku fanservice over the years.

SasuSaku seems to get the odd moment here or there--I'm guessing by a few select people who like the pairing or are in the mood for it. The pairing got much more attention during the part 1 episodes.

Edited by AzureWaters, 27 March 2012 - 03:44 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Are sharing a guy with two girls common in Western Countries? We've never heard of that in Japan.

Anyways I'd rather have a Naruto x Sakura x Sasuke than a Naruto x Sakura x Hinata, since I love Naruto x Sasuke and okay with Sakura x Sasuke and that Sasuke will be redeemed in the end

But then again, Naruto is not the type to share or be in a three way relationship.
So the addition of Hinata/Sasuke in Naruto x Sakura seems unlikely(but we still have fanfiction).

If Sasuke was a girl like in fanfics, then I'll support that. I absolutely hate yaoi But that's given to only liking Sakura. But I think if he could have an extra girl on the side. Why refuse*shrugs*. I just hope kishi doesn't end the manga in a Naruto harem

I not sure of the modern days, but in the Edo period. Concubinage was well know throughout Asia, especially, China and Japan when men could marry more than one woman. Naruto Manga is still in the Edo period mixed in with our modern age. I wouldn't be surprise if Kishi ends the manga with a three way relationship with Naruto both having Sakura and Hinata. After all, its has not been proven that Sakura and Hinata are competing for Naruto's affection that only exist in fandom.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 27 March 2012 - 05:47 PM.

[ciardha]

Well even if Hinata's type of woman are very RARE to find these days, they are still the preferred type of woman(in Japan). So I understand why the western may think Japanese woman are like Hinata. Hinata-type characters appear a lot in Japanese fictions as the ideal-wife-type.

In Japan, like in the west you have the more equitive view of women vs the traditional- to simplify- in the west using fictional the characters of Buffy (the Vampire Slayer- especially in her relationship with Spike) vs Bella (with Edward of Twilight). It's about an equal split in both countries (although there's a lot more overt hostility directed at the "Buffy" types in the US than in Japan. Kishimoto (like Joss Whedon in the US) falls into the pro Buffy type girl and woman camp. Studio Pierrot falls into the pro Bella type girl or woman camp. Sakura would be a "Buffy type" and Hinata a "Bella type".

Edited by ciardha, 28 March 2012 - 12:17 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

If Sasuke was a girl like in fanfics, then I'll support that. I absolutely hate yaoi But that's given to only liking Sakura. But I think if he could have an extra girl on the side. Why refuse*shrugs*. I just hope kishi doesn't end the manga in a Naruto harem

You're the complete opposite of me. I absolute hate yuri. I hate yaoi too, but only when it's Naruto and Sasuke I'm okay. Because I love Sasuke so whoever is with him I'm okay.

I not sure of the modern days, but in the Edo period. Concubinage was well know throughout Asia, especially, China and Japan when men could marry more than one woman. Naruto Manga is still in the Edo period mixed in with our modern age. I wouldn't be surprise if Kishi ends the manga with a three way relationship with Naruto both having Sakura and Hinata. After all, its has not been proven that Sakura and Hinata are competing for Naruto's affection that only exist in fandom.

I was talking about the modern days. I know quite well about the concubinage in the Edo era in Japan. In the modern days, concubine aren't common, having a three-way relationship is also not well looked upon.

The Naruto world has videos and modern day clothes so I doubt Kishi made it to become the Edo era. And Naruto ending up with Sakura and Hinata will be too surprising considering that every character that involved romance was a monogamy. If, Kishi went through such lengths for surprise I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto ends up with Sakura and Hinata, and Sakura ends up with Sasuke and Naruto. Because well, Sasuke and Naruto were not competing for Sakura's attention either.

But to be honest I guess the idea of Naruto being fine sharing Sakura with Sasuke, or Sakura being fine sharing Naruto with Hinata is a well-used idea in fanfiction but I doubt their canon counter parts would like that idea. Maybe in core seinen those things will happen, but I can see it being a bit of a problem if that happens in a kids animation.

Edited by narunarunaru, 27 March 2012 - 05:58 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

You're the complete opposite of me. I absolute hate yuri. I hate yaoi too, but only when it's Naruto and Sasuke I'm okay. Because I love Sasuke so whoever is with him I'm okay.


I was talking about the modern days. I know quite well about the concubinage in the Edo era in Japan. In the modern days, concubine aren't common, having a three-way relationship is also not well looked upon.

The Naruto world has videos and modern day clothes so I doubt Kishi made it to become the Edo era. And Naruto ending up with Sakura and Hinata will be too surprising considering that every character that involved romance was a monogamy. If, Kishi went through such lengths for surprise I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto ends up with Sakura and Hinata, and Sakura ends up with Sasuke and Naruto. Because well, Sasuke and Naruto were not competing for Sakura's attention either.

But to be honest I guess the idea of Naruto being fine sharing Sakura with Sasuke, or Sakura being fine sharing Naruto with Hinata is a well-used idea in fanfiction but I doubt their canon counter parts would like that idea. Maybe in core seinen those things will happen, but I can see it being a bit of a problem if that happens in a kids animation.

That's why I said the Naruto world is a mixture of both the Edo Period and our Modern era. Where in reality, Japan has been united into a nation and empire where there are no more Fuderal Lords and Daimyos to rule over lands, while there still Fuedal and Daimyos in Narutoverse. Also, the Concubinage system still aplies for Kishi. Nut the sad thing for Sakura. During those days, women were only allow one lover per relationship and marriage while men can have multiple women. Sakura having both Naruto and Sasuke will not be logical; versus, Naruto can have multiple women.

[redragon88]

That's why I said the Naruto world is a mixture of both the Edo Period and our Modern era. Where in reality, Japan has been united into a nation and empire where there are no more Fuderal Lords and Daimyos to rule over lands, while there still Fuedal and Daimyos in Narutoverse. Also, the Concubinage system still aplies for Kishi. Nut the sad thing for Sakura. During those days, women were only allow one lover per relationship and marriage while men can have multiple women. Sakura having both Naruto and Sasuke will not be logical; versus, Naruto can have multiple women.

I don't think either Naruto and Sakura are the type to be willing to share the one they love with another person. In all honesty I really don't get why some people agree to that. But all in all I don't think this is a manga that would dwell on polygamy.

[ciardha]

You're the complete opposite of me. I absolute hate yuri. I hate yaoi too, but only when it's Naruto and Sasuke I'm okay. Because I love Sasuke so whoever is with him I'm okay.

I dislike both, but if the couple is protrayed as in a healthy romantic relationship and where it's not treated as fanservice for guys like with Haruka and Michiru of Sailor Moon- I can ship a lesbian couple as much as I do a hetrosexual couple. There's been a few gay male manga couples that way, but two guys just seems boring to me. I've never had enough interest to ship them, but if it's healthy and nonstereotyped I'm cool with it. Like I could see, a sort of snarky relationship between Sasuke and Sai...

[Phantom_999]

Despite Hinata being liked on the anime team, Sakura is still favored more, at least from my perspective. Hinata may get a few really nice episodes or filler moments, but Sakura usually gets the most overall attention--especially for anything shippy. All these claims of favoring NaruHina seem a little faulty to me. I've seen way more NaruSaku fanservice over the years.

SasuSaku seems to get the odd moment here or there--I'm guessing by a few select people who like the pairing or are in the mood for it. The pairing got much more attention during the part 1 episodes.

If it's about NaruHina on the anime, yeah not really, Hinata being Moe and thinking about Naruto, and Team Pierrot PUSHING IT, yes. WHICH others turn into NaruHina. You do the math

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 March 2012 - 01:34 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

That's why I said the Naruto world is a mixture of both the Edo Period and our Modern era. Where in reality, Japan has been united into a nation and empire where there are no more Fuderal Lords and Daimyos to rule over lands, while there still Fuedal and Daimyos in Narutoverse. Also, the Concubinage system still aplies for Kishi. Nut the sad thing for Sakura. During those days, women were only allow one lover per relationship and marriage while men can have multiple women. Sakura having both Naruto and Sasuke will not be logical; versus, Naruto can have multiple women.

What? I thought you were talking about sharing? Not the concubinage system.

In the Edo era, only the highest royal families and the highest samurais had a concubine. It doesn't apply to ninjas.
Also, the concubinage system in Japan are seen with disgust from modern days people. The concubinage system in Japan was known to make women homicidal, suicidal, miserable, and humiliated. It's one of the disgrace of Japanese history. Another reason I don't see why Kishi will write it or the Japanese young people would want to read such a sick system that treated woman like objects.

If Naruto dates both girls, but doesn't allow Sakura to do the same because she's a girl, then he's no different to a cruel, hypocritical jerk that existed and mistreated woman in the Edo era of Japan. He doesn't deserve her.
Note: I'm not talking about modern day threesome where the three people love each other equally or foursome where four people love each other equally regardless of gender.

I don't think either Naruto and Sakura are the type to be willing to share the one they love with another person. In all honesty I really don't get why some people agree to that. But all in all I don't think this is a manga that would dwell on polygamy.

This was what I'm saying.

I dislike both, but if the couple is protrayed as in a healthy romantic relationship and where it's not treated as fanservice for guys like with Haruka and Michiru of Sailor Moon- I can ship a lesbian couple as much as I do a hetrosexual couple. There's been a few gay male manga couples that way, but two guys just seems boring to me. I've never had enough interest to ship them, but if it's healthy and nonstereotyped I'm cool with it. Like I could see, a sort of snarky relationship between Sasuke and Sai...

I don't see Sasuke and Sai in a relationship...Have they ever shown interaction other than at Orochimaru's lair?

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 March 2012 - 03:03 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I don't think either Naruto and Sakura are the type to be willing to share the one they love with another person. In all honesty I really don't get why some people agree to that. But all in all I don't think this is a manga that would dwell on polygamy.

In order to restore the Uchiha Clan, Sasuke must have several concubines thats if he survives the war and the trial. As for Naruto, he won't be the one to initiate the polygamy. It comes down to how they going to decide who is going to have Naruto. As for Sakura, it is clear that her character won't share her man with that rivalry she had with Ino, on the other hand, Hinata character seems to be selfless that no matter who Naruto's with. She is willing to do almost anything to have Naruto if sharing him with another woman must happen. I think it all comes down to Sakura to make a three way happen. But for now, NS is the main priority.

[ciardha]

I don't see Sasuke and Sai in a relationship...Have they ever shown interaction other than at Orochimaru's lair?

heh, in Konohamaru's jutsu in 347.

Sai does have a strong continued curiosity about Sasuke- due to how strong he's seen the bond Naruto and Sakura still feel toward him despite what he's done.(plus some personal rage at Sasuke due to what he has seen of how Naruto and Sakura both have been emotionally traumatized by their bond to Sasuke.) But I think due to his strong bond to Naruto and Sakura, he's oddly enough, probably the one person- besides Kakashi, who might fully accept it if Sasuke was redeemed and lived.

Sasuke would definitely feel the brunt of Sai's mocking side though, and considering Sasuke's personality- even at his best, was of frequent sneering belittling of others....even a chastened redeemed Sasuke would likely revert to sarcasm in the face of sarcasm. That back and forth of trading insults could result in a mutual attraction.

Edited by ciardha, 28 March 2012 - 03:25 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

In order to restore the Uchiha Clan, Sasuke must have several concubines thats if he survives the war and the trial. As for Naruto, he won't be the one to initiate the polygamy. It comes down to how they going to decide who is going to have Naruto. As for Sakura, it is clear that her character won't share her man with that rivalry she had with Ino, on the other hand, Hinata character seems to be selfless that no matter who Naruto's with. She is willing to do almost anything to have Naruto if sharing him with another woman must happen. I think it all comes down to Sakura to make a three way happen. But for now, NS is the main priority.

You know what existed in the ninja world instead of concubines? Seductresses. Kunoichi's main job(mostly only job) was to act as a seductress.

Sakura and Hinata sleeping around with other men for the sake of mission are more likely to happen than Sasuke having a few concubines if we follow what happened in Edo.
No amount of playing around with words are going to be convincing that it's logical for a guy to have many girls, but when a girl does it is a crime.

We haven't seen a kunoichi sleep around with Daimyos for the sake of the mission in Naruto.
We haven't seen a kunoichi getting raped around when that was common in those days.
And we'll likely never see the concubine system that didn't even happen to Ninjas in the edo era. Not to mention, the concubine system that happened in old times, was ugly, disgraceful, cruel and sickening.

Your idea of Hinata having to share Naruto in order to have him is an idea I have only ever seen in fanfiction. If NaruHina happens, but Naruto wants to date other girls, Hinata can do it too. I fail to see your logic here, how Naruto can do whatever he wants but Hinata can't.

I'm not talking about sharing or threesome. I'm talking about you saying that a guy can sleep around with other girls when a girl can't.

heh, in Konohamaru's jutsu in 347.

Sai does have a strong continued curiosity about Sasuke- due to how strong he's seen the bond Naruto and Sakura still feel toward him despite what he's done.(plus some personal rage at Sasuke due to what he has seen of how Naruto and Sakura both have been emotionally traumatized by their bond to Sasuke.) But I think due to his strong bond to Naruto and Sakura, he's oddly enough, probably the one person- besides Kakashi, who might fully accept it if Sasuke was redeemed and lived.

Sasuke would definitely feel the brunt of Sai's mocking side though, and considering Sasuke's personality- even at his best, was of frequent sneering belittling of others....even a chastened redeemed Sasuke would likely revert to sarcasm in the face of sarcasm. That back and forth of trading insults could result in a mutual attraction.

SasuSai is a new one, it does show how much Sasuke loves himself if he dates a guy who is a look alike to him. And I love their bantering in Doc Destructo's fics(if that can happen in canon)!

But I do prefer SasuNaru over SasuSai

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 March 2012 - 06:01 AM.

[Dragunov]

Here's a question: what has held Naruto back from making a move on Sakura, since he acknowledged he was going to honor the promise he made to her about Sasuke?

[CloudMountainJuror]

Here's a question: what has held Naruto back from making a move on Sakura, since he acknowledged he was going to honor the promise he made to her about Sasuke?

Simple. He's stubbornly set in the mindset that she's in love with Sasuke.