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[Zatheko]

This is going to be a yes-no-yes-no-yes-no-yes-no exchange from now on, isn't it? Well, I personally don't see those moments and I think that most people, even NS fans, would not argue that all those moments between Sakura and Naruto show that Sakura is definitely in love with Naruto. And being unsure about your feelings is not the same as being in love with Naruto. It doesn't help your argument that the unsurety part comes from sources outside the manga either. This is something we have to, again, just agree to disagree.


When has Sakura even been stated to be Naruto's goal? All I remember is Naruto wanting to impress her back in the day. His most stated goals are to become a hokage and getting back/saving/helping Sasuke.

You're a hypocrite then, if you fail to see these scenes yet you so easily accept anything with hinata and naruto as romantic than I don't know what to say, it's not that you don't see it, its that you don't want to see it, you think naruto changing his feelings first is better, I think it goes against everything this show stands for, you think naruto has a higher chance of changing his feelings as well, and I think that since naruto has never shown anything romantic towards hinata, even 615, it means he wont change. I believe sakura has a higher chance of changing and that it because I know that they have a level of feelings for each other, naruto is at love, and sakura weather it be at friendship, or friendship with a hint of attraction (the blushing scenes confirm this) is stronger than anything naruto has shown to hinata.

Also just because he doesn't say it out loud to the world like an idiot doesn't mean it is not there, naruto doesn't give up, and if in part one he decided he wanted to get her to like him, and we haven't been shown any signs of him changing his mind, im inclined to believe he still wants to do that.

Edited by zatheko, 27 January 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

You're a hypocrite then, if you fail to see these scenes yet you so easily accept anything with hinata and naruto as romantic than I don't know what to say, it's not that you don't see it, its that you don't want to see it, you think naruto changing his feelings first is better, I think it goes against everything this show stands for, you think naruto has a higher chance of changing his feelings as well, and I think that since naruto has never shown anything romantic towards hinata, even 615, it means he wont change. I believe sakura has a higher chance of changing and that it because I know that they have a level of feelings for each other, naruto is at love, and sakura weather it be at friendship, or friendship with a hint of attraction (the blushing scenes confirm this) is stronger than anything naruto has shown to hinata.

Also just because he doesn't say it out loud to the world like an idiot doesn't mean it is not there, naruto doesn't give up, and if in part one he decided he wanted to get her to like him, and we haven't been shown any signs of him changing his mind, im inclined to believe he still wants to do that.

Yeahyeah, I'm in denial and a hypocrite. Heard it all, already.

I do not think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. I have made this clear many times. I think that he will fall for her in the upcoming chapters and NH will be canon. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I can be wrong in this. When I state that I don't see NS moments as showing definitely that Sakura is in love with Naruto, I'm simply speaking my mind honestly.

I ask again: when has Sakura been stated to be one of Naruto's goals? And how often do we witness him declaring her to be his goal?

I could be wrong and Naruto has been saying it all along. It should be easy to show, if he truly has been stating it as his goal. Links to chapters, please.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 January 2013 - 08:10 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Poison in your coffee@

I don't remember Sakura telling Naruto she loves Sasuke and she will never love him back. Naruto assumed she loves Sasuke when he made her the promise and he even asked her about it but she never replied to him. Also why NH fans keep ignoring Sakura's subconscious feelings for Naruto during part 1??? If she never had a silly crush on Sasuke she would've fallen for Naruto way sooner than expected since some of the times her feelings about him were reflected through inner Sakura. Obviously Kishi wasn't going to do that because he wants to create drama and tension throughout the story as he develops NS. Let's face it if Naruto and Sakura got together in part 1 the story would have gotten boring and lame but Kishi knew he needed to make a slow and steady development while creating obstacles for them to overcome. Sakura has to overcome her remaining feelings for Sasuke (540 has reflected this that she has probably finally moved on from him knowing very well he's not a great guy). Naruto has to make Sakura happy no matter (aside from the many obstacles he has to overcome, like saving the world and bring peace, saving Sasuke etc).

I find the whole" Hinata is available" argument very biased. Because the same can be said about Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke. You claimed the NS moments don't have no meaning and Kishi alwyas leave them "incomplete" but why he would do that? Easy if he made Yamato finished his sentence then Sakura would have noticed way sooner she loves Naruto romantically (for real, not a silly crush like the one she had for Sasuke). If Sai finished his speech to Sakura about" her feelings for Naruto" according to the book he read then the same thing first mentioned would have happened. Kishi needs to have those moments incomplete because if he did choose to complete them, then NS would have been canon since part 1. Like I said Kishi needs to create tension with the pairing he's been developing to create drama as well as giving the hero and the heroine obstacles to overcome. Giving fan service from opposite fandom is only to please those fans when in the end he's going to troll them (examples are chapter 437, 482 and 616). Naruto will never give up in loving Sakura because what he has for her is true love" the one who is undying and selfless" the same with Obito and Jiraiya. Obito never force himself on Rin and till this day I know he must still love her, the same was said with Jiraiya. Even when Tsunade got together with Dan he never stop loving her.

Edited by Gravenimage, 27 January 2013 - 08:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeahyeah, I'm in denial and a hypocrite. Heard it all, already.

I do not think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. I have made this clear many times. I think that he will fall for her in the upcoming chapters and NH will be canon. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I can be wrong in this. When I state that I don't see NS moments as showing definitely that Sakura is in love with Naruto, I'm simply speaking my mind honestly.

I ask again: when has Sakura been stated to be one of Naruto's goals? And how often do we witness him declaring her to be his goal?

I could be wrong and Naruto has been saying it all along. It should be easy to show, if he truly has been stating it as his goal. Links to chapters, please.

I'm sorry but he's right, you take all the NS scenes at face value and some you simply distort to confort and think that NS is not a big deal, while with SS/NH you look the beneath the beneath to seek evidences to comfort yourself.
The classic double standard.
If you keep doing that which you're doing there's no reason for you to debate about pairing on this website, yeah we know you like SS/Nh but keep it for yourself, i dont want to change your views and still you wont change any views here because you're just doing double standards.

And the bolded one, you're stating another stuff, you're saying that Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke.
We never said that she was in love with Naruto at first place your comments were about other things.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 January 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[Zatheko]

Yeahyeah, I'm in denial and a hypocrite. Heard it all, already.

I do not think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. I have made this clear many times. I think that he will fall for her in the upcoming chapter and NH will be canon. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I can be wrong in this. When I state that I don't see NS moments as showing definitely that Sakura is in love with Naruto, I'm simply speaking my mind honestly.

I ask again: when has Sakura been stated to be one of Naruto's goals? And how often do we witness him declaring her to be his goal?

I could be wrong and Naruto has been saying it all along. It should be easy to show, if he truly has been stating it as his goal. Links to chapters, please.

I agree with that, which is why I never said she was in love with naruto, I just stated I think she has the highest chance of changing her feelings. I know she feels something, but im not gonna try to figure out what it is because we haven't been properly shown what it is she feels, and I know she still loves sasuke, but I think out of all the pairings hers is THE one that needs to be let go, its the only love that is negative.

The fact that he was wanting to get her to go out with him means he wanted to win her over, He doesn't need to re confirm anything since he doesn't give up, with naruto its basically, unless proven other wise, then it is still there, and since we haven't been shown that naruto loves another OR that he doesn't love sakura than i will continue to believe he loves her.

[Dalton.T.R]

Has anyone seen Fancynancypigs1 on Youtube lately? I haven't seen her comment in a long time.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I don't remember Sakura telling Naruto she loves Sasuke and she will never love him back. Naruto assumed she loves Sasuke when he made her the promise and he even asked her about it but she never replied to him.

I am not going to bother to argue with you if Sakura loves Sasuke. If you don't already see this to be true, there is nothing I can say to make you change your mind. As for Sakura not saying that she will never love Naruto back, true, she hasn't said that. She might in the future, or she might not. We still don't know. There is a big difference between "Sakura has not said that she does not love Naruto" and "Sakura loves Naruto".

Also why NH fans keep ignoring Sakura's subconscious feelings for Naruto during part 1???

Probably because there aren't any.

If she never had a silly crush on Sasuke she would've fallen for Naruto way sooner than expected since some of the times her feelings about him were reflected through inner Sakura. Obviously Kishi wasn't going to do that because he wants to create drama and tension throughout the story as he develops NS. Let's face it if Naruto and Sakura got together in part 1 the story would have gotten boring and lame but Kishi knew he needed to make a slow and steady development while creating obstacles for them to overcome. Sakura has to overcome her remaining feelings for Sasuke (540 has reflected this that she has probably finally moved on from him knowing very well he's not a great guy). Naruto has to make Sakura happy no matter (aside from the many obstacles he has to overcome, like saving the world and bring peace, saving Sasuke etc).

Maybe. Or maybe Sakura has not yet fallen for Naruto because she never will, because she has no feelings for him. Sakura in no way has move on from Sasuke. Why should she? You are allowed to love who you love. Even Naruto is allowed to keep loving Sakura, even if SS happens.

I find the whole" Hinata is available" argument very biased. Because the same can be said about Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke. You claimed the NS moments don't have no meaning and Kishi alwyas leave them "incomplete" but why he would do that? Easy if he made Yamato finished his sentence then Sakura would have noticed way sooner she loves Naruto romantically (for real, not a silly crush like the one she had for Sasuke). If Sai finished his speech to Sakura about" her feelings for Naruto" according to the book he read then the same thing first mentioned would have happened. Kishi needs to have those moments incomplete because if he did choose to complete them, then NS would have been canon since part 1. Like I said Kishi needs to create tension with the pairing he's been developing to create drama as well as giving the hero and the heroine obstacles to overcome. Giving fan service from opposite fandom is only to please those fans when in the end he's going to troll them (examples are chapter 437, 482 and 616). Naruto will never give up in loving Sakura because what he has for her is true love" the one who is undying and selfless" the same with Obito and Jiraiya. Obito never force himself on Rin and till this day I know he must still love her, the same was said with Jiraiya. Even when she got together with Dan he never stop loving her.

I already responded to this point in my reply to reddragon:

There are many possibilities and potential for many pairings. Someone will have to move on, whether it be Naruto or Hinata or Sakura or Lee or someone else. We still don't know what pairings will be canon and it is too early to say that NH or NS will definitely be canon. Anything could happen. You people have this habit of dismissing SS as a mere silly crush and NH as just fanservice. This prevents you from seeing that those two pairings have a real chance of happening.

[sushi.]

Has anyone seen Fancynancypigs1 on Youtube lately? I haven't seen her comment in a long time.

You can ask KeikoxYusuke, she's the same person. She also has another account she uses frequently, that is called fancynancypigs.

[Gravenimage]

Yeahyeah, I'm in denial and a hypocrite. Heard it all, already.

I do not think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. I have made this clear many times. I think that he will fall for her in the upcoming chapters and NH will be canon. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I can be wrong in this. When I state that I don't see NS moments as showing definitely that Sakura is in love with Naruto, I'm simply speaking my mind honestly.

I ask again: when has Sakura been stated to be one of Naruto's goals? And how often do we witness him declaring her to be his goal?

I could be wrong and Naruto has been saying it all along. It should be easy to show, if he truly has been stating it as his goal. Links to chapters, please.

Naruto has NEVER said Sakura was one of his goals (or to say he wants her to love him) but to make her happy that is definitely one of his goals. He wants to do anything to see her smile, I can't believe you don't see his selfless sacrifices for her. He's that selfless he's willing to let her be with the person she loves as long as she's happy. He's willing to walk a mine field for her, or cut his arms if that makes her happy (but we know that's not true I'm just being literal here). Don't you think after all the sacrifices he has done for her don't you think he deserves to have his feelings return? Naruto doesn't want to force her to love him she only wants to choose the person who she thinks will make her happy and since he believes she loves Sasuke with all her heart he will respect her choice.

Which it sad to say the same is for Hinata, it's the opposite. She's not selfless she's selfish. We all know she has Naruto in the brain he's her center of the universe and the only reason why she's fighting in the war. Last I check the war's main goal is to protect the eight and the nine tails "not just the nine tails". Hinata only wants to protect Naruto but what makes her selfish is that's her only reason. She's not fighting for her friends, her clan, her family, her village or even the fate of the world it's only Naruto. Her character only resolves around him, this is the kind of character I would never accept to be the one for him. She may be nice, kind and shy but she's not the right person for Naruto with her obsession for him. Which comparing her to Sakura she's the one fighting for ALL the reasons I mentioned. How can you tell I'm right? Well re-read chapter 573 compared Hinata's speech to Sakura's. Hinata only wants to hold Naruto's hand and walk with him (selfish written all over it) Sakura wants to fight with him together with "everyone" that's the key part of her speech.

Edited by Gravenimage, 27 January 2013 - 08:33 PM.

[Qia]

She has turned down his requests for dates or just ignored them, though, and otherwise made it clear to Naruto that she is not interested in him. Naruto knows she loves another man.

That was BEFORE she found out how serious his feelings for her were though. She just saw them as a crush that would, probably, eventually go away. And even in part 2 when he'd asked her out, she did actually say yes and told him he'd have to pay (but again I'd like to stress she didn't think much of his feelings then. They were shown to be sort of kiddish, from her perspective, you know?). I may be wrong, but I think that was the last time he asked her to go on a date since part 2 began and before they got info on Sasuke.

Do you mean the scene where she cries after Sai tells her about Naruto's feelings? My take of that scene was quite a bit different. I think she knew how Naruto felt and was sad and called him an idiot for it because she knew that she did not love Naruto the same way.

Well, I didn't see it like that. If she already knew how he felt for her, why break down crying about something she already knew about? And if she knew about it, why has she never approached him after all this time to let him know that she just can't have those feelings for him? Makes no sense to me, personally. But alright.

Yeah, Kishi does that a lot with NS, doesn't he? Creates these moments between Naruto and Sakura that are just not clear. He never seems to make it clear that Sakura is in love with Naruto, for example. And in the scene you mention Naruto does not even answer whether he still wants Sakura. Why? Could it maybe be because Naruto already has moved on from her? Or is he too embarrassed to admit still wanting her because he knows that Sakura herself is faking her love? You remember our talk earlier about how Sakura not stating things clearly that she does not love Naruto certainly leaves room for interpretion but is far from proving that she does love him? Same thing here.

He does. And I think he does it to create angst. If he made it completely clear now that Sakura's in love with Naruto, then it would be less...suspenseful, and a bit boring actually. He'd want to keep people reading so it makes sense for him to save it for last and just drop little hints here and there. But you see those hints as red herrings, so I'm not even going to bother and continue this part of the convo.

And no that was not my interpretation. Him not replying would be him sticking to his earlier words to Sai: How can he tell her how he feels if he can't even keep his promise? If Naruto no longer loved Sakura, then he would have had no problem saying so then. Instead, he said "that's not it" as in "My feelings for you are not the problem here. It's just weird that you would come all this way to say just that." And that of course, makes Sakura mad as you know. And yes I remember. That's basically the huge problem when it comes to the romance aspect of the manga: It's not always touched upon, and there's so many interpretations. At the end of the day, no one has the right answer.

I think we have to see a scene like this one, no matter what pairings happen. Kishi could even make it a flashback back to when Naruto and Sakura came back home after the summit arc and only now show it to the readers.

I don't think he'd do a flashback to something that's so important. I mean, look at the way Naruto acts after he returns. If Sakura had basically turned him down, then he wouldn't have been so happy before she came to tell him about Tsunade. But if Sakura had actually explained herself better, then...it didn't exactly come across as "we're now in a relationship".

If anything, that quote reminds me of Naruto's relationship to Sasuke. Doesn't Naruto even say that he wants to be the wind to Sasuke's fire? Oh Kishi...

Hmm I actually can't remember Naruto saying that, but of course him and Naruto have a deep bond so it can be applied there too. (not in THAT way xD).

Seriously, though. If Sakura has not fallen for Naruto despite everything that they have been though, that in itself is enough for Naruto to move on. Can't force that love. Hinata is there, she is a great support and help to Naruto, she is willing to be with him. Why not move on?

That's just the thing though. Naruto doesn't know how Sakura feels for him. He "knows" that she still loves Sasuke (he's always known that, but that never diminished his feelings for her or made him try to move on), but when it comes to him he's not so sure, or at least he believes that there's no way she could love him. But really...he doesn't know. It hasn't been shown that Sakura approached him after her confession, so how is he to know how she truly feels? That's why I believe he'll hold out till then. He'll hold out until he can actually tell her how he feels and then, if she rejects him still, then he'll finally move on. He doesn't have feelings for Hinata, so he's not just going to settle for her.

By the way, can't the "can't force love" thing be also applied to Sakura's love for Sasuke? Naruto is there, he's a great supporter and help to her, and is willing to be with her. As an added bonus, she now knows how he really feels for her. It isn't kid love, and it's something he takes very seriously. Soooo....why not move on?

Sakura knows she doesn't love Naruto. Naruto knows she doesn't love him. Naruto is told by Sai how Sakura plans to kill Sasuke because she loves Sasuke so much. Sakura has never indicated that she is in love with Naruto, except in the confession, which Naruto dismissed as a lie. Does Naruto need her stating the obvious, "I don't love you, sorry"? There might be scene like that to make it all clear to the readers, but it is not like Naruto hasn't realized it all on his own.

WHAT? Where has Sakura stated or even thought that she doesn't love Naruto? Please show me where this panel is, because I must have missed it. And Naruto doesn't know that she doesn't love him. He "KNOWS" that she loves Sasuke, which makes him THINK that there's no way she loves him. The only thing we do know is that she loves Sasuke. But that's it. Her feelings for Naruto are still unknown. And realize that it was NARUTO (the person who may just be in denial about her having feelings for him and doesn't know for sure that she does, especially since she hasn't approached him about it) that doesn't believe her. If Naruto really realized from a long time ago that Sakura didn't love him, then he wouldn't even plan on telling her how he feels. He would have been shown trying his best to move on from her, knowing that she still doesn't love him. But at the end of the day, he doesn't REALLY know how she feels for him.

Well, it goes back to my opinion that no moment between NS has yet been obvious enough for me to think that Sakura is in love with Naruto. And no moment that I have seen has shown me that Sakura no longer loves Sasuke. So it is hard for me to see how Sakura is the most likely one to change her mind.

Well, this goes back to my opinion that no moment between NH has yet been obvious enough for me to think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. And no moment that I have seen has shown me that Naruto no longer loves Sakura. So it is hard for me to see how Naruto is the most likely one to change his mind.

Edited by Qia, 27 January 2013 - 08:36 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

The fact that he was wanting to get her to go out with him means he wanted to win her over, He doesn't need to re confirm anything since he doesn't give up, with naruto its basically, unless proven other wise, then it is still there, and since we haven't been shown that naruto loves another OR that he doesn't love sakura than i will continue to believe he loves her.

Look, Naruto once wanting to impress Sakura does not make her into his life goal that he must have no matter what. It needs to be honestly stated that she is his goal. He has said that being hokage is his goal, he has said that helping Sasuke is his goal. When has he ever made it clear that Sakura must be his, too, that she is a goal that he can never give up on? He did promise to bring Sasuke back for her. Doesn't that kind of imply that Naruto would have been more than willing to give up on Sakura because she loved Sasuke?

This isn't a reply to you but something I have been thinking:

How can Naruto at the same time be both the most selfless person who will sacrifice his own happiness to make Sakura happy and at the same time be a person who never gives up on his goals, including supposedly getting Sakura, anyway? The way I see it, he can't be both at the same time.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto has NEVER said Sakura was one of his goals (or to say he wants her to love him) but to make her happy that is definitely one of his goals. He wants to do anything to see her smile, I can't believe you don't see his selfless sacrifices for her. He's that selfless he's willing to let her be with the person she loves as long as she's happy. He's willing to walk a mine field for her, or cut his arms if that makes her happy (but we know that's not true I'm just being literal here). Don't you think after all the sacrifices he has done for her don't you think he deserves to have his feelings return? Naruto doesn't want to force her to love she only wants to choose the person who she thinks will make her happy and since he believes she loves Sasuke with all her heart he will respect her choice.

Which it sad to say the same is for Hinata, it's the opposite. She's not selfless she's selfish. We all know she has Naruto in the brain he's her center of the universe and the only reason why she's fighting in the war. Last I check the war's main goal is to protect the eight and the nine tails "not just the nine tails". Hinata only wants to protect Naruto but what makes her selfish is that's her only reason. She's not fighting for her friend, her clan, her family, her village or even the fate of the world it's only Naruto. Her character only resolves around him, this is the kind of character I would never accept to be the one for him. She may be nice, kind and shy but she's not the right person for Naruto with her obsession for him.

Sakura did the same for Naruto, didnt she was willing to kill Sasuke for Naruto, she was even willing to accept Naruto's feelings on that "confession" if it means that he would stop chasing Sasuke.
The thing is Naruto and Sakura are both selfless towards each other, sadly that Sakura is not in love with Naruto but she proved that you dont need to be in love with someome to be selfless., she never asked something in return on part 2.
573 showed that Sakura has a desire to be with Naruto but she does not force it like Hinata is doing lately.
Naruto became so important to Sakura that her feelings towards him she still does not have an answer about them, she loves Sasuke but what about Naruto?

I dont think Hinata's is selfish i think there's another term for it she have a tunneled vision about Naruto, to a point that she forget about everything she has and her duties as a heir of the hyuuga's clan.
The problem with Hinata is Naruto, it locks her development ot a point that does not matter it's always fanservice, all her scenes on part 2 were about Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 January 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Naruto has NEVER said Sakura was one of his goals (or to say he wants her to love him) but to make her happy that is definitely one of his goals.

Bolded: Okay, when has that been stated to be his goal? Not even bothering with the rest.

[Zatheko]

Maybe. Or maybe Sakura has not yet fallen for Naruto because she never will, because she has no feelings for him. Sakura in no way has move on from Sasuke. Why should she? You are allowed to love who you love. Even Naruto is allowed to keep loving Sakura, even if SS happens.

You're right she hasn't moved on yet, but I think that there is a reason for that, sakura is not fully developed yet, and i see her final act of development is her getting over her love for sasuke, lets face it, our of NS, NH and SS, SS is the only one that is negative on the person who is in love, so IMO it only makes sense that she be the one to finally move on, narutos love for sakura has not been a big negative thing and it has in fact at times motivated him to be even stronger and yes the same can be said about NH as well. But the reason I think sakura can change her feelings before naruto is because her feelings for sasuke are a hindrance to her character.

How can Naruto at the same time be both the most selfless person who will sacrifice his own happiness to make Sakura happy and at the same time be a person who never gives up on his goals, including supposedly getting Sakura, anyway? The way I see it, he can't be both at the same time.

It's the way he goes about achieving that goal that allows it to still be selfless, he can not give up and try to win her over, but he will not force her to choose him, if in the end she does choose sasuke over naruto and naruto decides to no longer try to win her over, it is NOT giving up, it is him letting her have her happiness that he wants for her, so until she makes that decision it is about him not giving up.

Edited by zatheko, 27 January 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[sushi.]

Yeahyeah, I'm in denial and a hypocrite. Heard it all, already.

I do not think that Naruto is in love with Hinata. I have made this clear many times. I think that he will fall for her in the upcoming chapters and NH will be canon. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I can be wrong in this. When I state that I don't see NS moments as showing definitely that Sakura is in love with Naruto, I'm simply speaking my mind honestly.

I ask again: when has Sakura been stated to be one of Naruto's goals? And how often do we witness him declaring her to be his goal?

I could be wrong and Naruto has been saying it all along. It should be easy to show, if he truly has been stating it as his goal. Links to chapters, please.

Naruto has two goals regarding Sakura.

1. Make her happy.
2. Confess to her. (his conversation with Sai)

I think Naruto would've a much more shallow love for Sakura if his goal was simply to be in a relationship with her. I am glad he only has those two goals as mentioned above.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto has two goals regarding Sakura.

1. Make her happy.
2. Confess to her. (his conversation with Sai)

I think Naruto would've a much more shallow love for Sakura if his goal was simply to be in a relationship with her. I am glad he only has those two goals as mentioned above.

One word : H.I.N.A.T.A

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

That was BEFORE she found out how serious his feelings for her were though. She just saw them as a crush that would, probably, eventually go away. And even in part 2 when he'd asked her out, she did actually say yes and told him he'd have to pay (but again I'd like to stress she didn't think much of his feelings then. They were shown to be sort of kiddish, from her perspective, you know?). I may be wrong, but I think that was the last time he asked her to go on a date since part 2 began and before they got info on Sasuke.

When did she find out about how serious those feelings were? I don't really know what scene you are talking about. The tent scene with Sai?

Well, I didn't see it like that. If she already knew how he felt for her, why break down crying about something she already knew about? And if she knew about it, why has she never approached him after all this time to let him know that she just can't have those feelings for him? Makes no sense to me, personally. But alright.

She was under so much pressure. Sasuke was about to meet his maker because everybody wanted him dead. She knew this. Tsunade was out of it, in coma. Sai comes in and blames her for Naruto's pain. She knows that Naruto loves her and knows that she still loves Sasuke. No wonder she is crying.

He does. And I think he does it to create angst. If he made it completely clear now that Sakura's in love with Naruto, then it would be less...suspenseful, and a bit boring actually. He'd want to keep people reading so it makes sense for him to save it for last and just drop little hints here and there. But you see those hints as red herrings, so I'm not even going to bother and continue this part of the convo.

And no that was not my interpretation. Him not replying would be him sticking to his earlier words to Sai: How can he tell her how he feels if he can't even keep his promise? If Naruto no longer loved Sakura, then he would have had no problem saying so then. Instead, he said "that's not it" as in "My feelings for you are not the problem here. It's just weird that you would come all this way to say just that." And that of course, makes Sakura mad as you know. And yes I remember. That's basically the huge problem when it comes to the romance aspect of the manga: It's not always touched upon, and there's so many interpretations. At the end of the day, no one has the right answer.

Well, we are going to have to read the manga to find out which of us is right.

I don't think he'd do a flashback to something that's so important. I mean, look at the way Naruto acts after he returns. If Sakura had basically turned him down, then he wouldn't have been so happy before she came to tell him about Tsunade. But if Sakura had actually explained herself better, then...it didn't exactly come across as "we're now in a relationship".

I hope Kishi doesn't do any flashback to that. I want to see Naruto and Sakura talk "in real time". But in the end I just want to see them talk and everything made clear between them.

Hmm I actually can't remember Naruto saying that, but of course him and Naruto have a deep bond so it can be applied there too. (not in THAT way xD).

Ha, I think it was ch 333.

That's just the thing though. Naruto doesn't know how Sakura feels for him. He "knows" that she still loves Sasuke (he's always known that, but that never diminished his feelings for her or made him try to move on), but when it comes to him he's not so sure, or at least he believes that there's no way she could love him. But really...he doesn't know. It hasn't been shown that Sakura approached him after her confession, so how is he to know how she truly feels? That's why I believe he'll hold out till then. He'll hold out until he can actually tell her how he feels and then, if she rejects him still, then he'll finally move on. He doesn't have feelings for Hinata, so he's not just going to settle for her.

Well, I think he knows. But I have said all that already.

By the way, can't the "can't force love" thing be also applied to Sakura's love for Sasuke? Naruto is there, he's a great supporter and help to her, and is willing to be with her. As an added bonus, she now knows how he really feels for her. It isn't kid love, and it's something he takes every seriously. Soooo....why no move on?

I don't know. Naruto is certainly a nicer person and has supported her much more than Sasuke. And yet, we still see Sakura wanting Sasuke. I guess there just is something in Sasuke that Sakura does not see in Naruto.

WHAT? Where has Sakura stated or even thought that she doesn\\\'t love Naruto? Please show me where this panel is, because I must have missed it. And Naruto doesn\'t know that she doesn\'t love him. He \"KNOWS\\\" that she loves Sasuke, which makes him THINK that there\\\'s no way she loves him. The only thing we do know is that she loves Sasuke. But that\\\'s it. Her feelings for Naruto are still unknown. And realized that it was NARUTO (the person who may just be in denial about her having feelings for him and doesn\\\'t know for sure that she does, especially since she hasn\\\'t approached him about it) that doesn\\\'t believe her. If Naruto really realized from a long time ago that Sakura didn\\\'t love him, then he wouldn\\\'t even plan on telling her how he feels. He would have been shown trying his best to move on from her, knowing that she still doesn\\\'t love him. But at the end of the day, he doesn\\\'t REALLY know how she feels for him.

I take that back: she hasn't been shown thinking that she does not love Naruto. That is simply my own interpretion. But like I said earlier: how do you know that she does love him? We have no reason to believe that she does.

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In which chapter, in which page, has it been stated that one of Naruto's goals is to make Sakura happy?

I don't doubt that Naruto wants her to be happy, but I can't remember that ever being one of his goals like becoming the hokage is one of his goals.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 27 January 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[sushi.]

One word : H.I.N.A.T.A

I've come to think of how Hinata has never expressed any ambition that she wants to date Naruto.

[T XD]

But Sasuke is Naruto's stated goal, again and again and again Naruto mentions wanting to bring him back. Where are all the moments where he can't shut his mouth about how he needs to get it on with Sakura? Naruto wanting to be with Sakura and wanting to save Sasuke, respectively, are not presented as equal goals. It is possible that Naruto will forever be in love with Sakura but not getting together with her is not a big failure for him. Not becoming hokage and not saving Sasuke would be. (Anyway. When has Naruto even stated that Sakura is his goal?)

You do realize that Sasuke turned bad and wanting to kill everyone, which Naruto wants to save him. While Sakura is with Naruto and in the village with him. You're making the difference by the goals which the situations differs between Sasuke and Sakura. Naruto said many times how he loves her and showing his affection. We don't need him to make a melody from it through out the manga.

Naruto said that bringing back Sasuke is his goal. Yes, he didn't say Sakura is his goal literally like what you want from him. But, you can clearly see that he wants to make her happy and keeps loving her which these are his goals for her.

God, I saw this mentioned in the Naruto Forums and honest, my first thought was:

"Sasuke is a terrorist and a murderer, Sakura is a girl who just doesn't fall for Naruto. Two hardest challenges? Totally on the same level, my ass. "

Sasuke is like the most important thing to Naruto. Saving him is more important to Naruto than becoming a hokage, and he has wanted that from the very beginning. Sakura is a girl he has romantic feelings for. Again, when has Sakura even stated to be one of Naruto's goals?

Again, what I said before about her to Naruto.

If he does not give up on trying to get Sakura even after she has made it totally clear that she does not want him, then it is Naruto forcing her to be with him. It has not yet gone so far, and I doubt Kishi will ever let it go so far. This is why I see Naruto either moving on or Sakura falling for him. Doubt that Sakura and Sasuke get together and at their wedding reception Kishi will portray Naruto hitting on the newlywed Sakura.

There's something I noticed, that you're seeing Naruto always loving Sakura as forcing her.
Naruto always loving Sakura even from part 1 rejecting him doesn't mean he's forcing her. The guy just loves her. He isn't pleading her or worst to be with him.
It shows that he doesn't want to give up on her and in loving her.

Sure. But Sakura has been stated again and again to be in love with Sasuke. When was it last mentioned that Naruto was in love with Sakura, still?

Still, again, what I said before about her to Naruto.

As for Sakura being in love with Sasuke. Obviously, Kishi showed that she has still loves him but not like before in part 1 and as you can see when she remembered him in 540, she's not happy about him. She knows what he becomes and she's on the process of moving. Her process will end in when they reunite with Sasuke again. Kishi is stretching it.

Your questions:



Apparently her undying love for him, made clear in the summit arc and in ch 540 again. There is nothing that stops Sakura from moving on, in itself, but the manga so far hasn't potrayed this at all.

Again, what I said before. And if you know that the manga hasn't portrayed that then why are you saying it ?!!!

Her hope that he will come back and maybe things will be different between them. She gave up that hope once, but even then she still loved him. Sakura just loves Sasuke. This keeps getting shown again and again through the manga.

Again, what I said before. Plus, things can't be different for them. Sasuke won't magically fall for her, neither Sakura will love him back again.

After recent chapters, very real hope that Naruto is falling for her.

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Really, how will Naruto can fall for her ? The answer is the reason that she was beside him in 615 and stuff ? Okay, then Naruto is falling for her out of the blue just for the heck of it... and Sakura bye bye all of a sudden.... I hope you're seeing how very illogical this is.

My point is just to get you to see that things are not as obvious as you think. That the manga is still full of potential and possibilities for pairings other than NS. That's all.

I'll go with possibilities but full of potential, clearly no as it shows.


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Except that we know 100% that Sakura was at least once in love with Sasuke. We know 100% that Hinata is in love with Naruto. Kishi is not that unclear when it comes to NH and SS. We know the girls' feelings to be romantic. We know that Sasuke is not in love with Sakura, at least not yet. Same with Naruto with Hinata. Only recently has Kishi made it unclear whether Naruto is in love with Hinata, too. We also know that Naruto had at least once romantic feelings for Sakura. So no, not all the romantic scenes have been that vague and open to interpretion. Compare the two confessions, Hinata's and Sakura's. Hinata's confession makes it absolutely clear that she is in love with Naruto. Sakura's confession is called to be a lie, by no other person than the one she was confessing to. But you are right, we'll just have to wait and see.

Naruto knows that she still have feelings for Sasuke, that why he didn't believe her as it was shown, and said that she was lying to herself. The girl wanted to help Naruto and stop his pain. Gone to kill Sasuke for him.

Edited by T XD, 27 January 2013 - 09:02 PM.

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This is not a very good path you are starting to travel with this. You keep downplaying that handholding moment and because of that there is a very good chance that it will explode right to your faces. Naruto held Hinata's hand after very intense moment during which she pretty much brought him back from darkness. She inspired him and made him feel strong and capable again. Then he took her hand. Their handholding lasted for several panels. The whole NH moment took up almost half the chapter 615. In ch 616 they still held hands. Then Naruto dashed around giving highfive chakras to everyone. NH moment was long, meaningful, emphasized. Naruto giving out chakra to others was quick, not emphasized all that much. You must have by now have seen that picture that some NH fan combined to show the difference between the scenes. The difference is like that between night and day. And ch 617 went right on to continue with the NH moments. Who knows what they will do together in the chapters to come?

Of course, at some point Kishi is going to have to shift the attention away from Hinata and/or Naruto and then NH moments will stop, at least for the moment. It is pretty inevitable. It should not be taken by NH fans or NS fans to mean that NH is done, though.

Their hand holding wasn't long and emphasised. To us, Yes it seemed like they held hands for a long time but let's look at it from their perspective them holding hands lasted for about thirty seconds heck even Neji's death was only about five minutes ago. The fact that you considered Hinata popping Naruto's shoulder back in place a NaruHina moment kind of baffled me and I doubt they will do anything together she'll only fight with Naruto like the rest of the Shinobi Alliance, but if they do! then I really won't be surprised.