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[BlueStarSaber]

Your response, when you're done posting ofc

 Ok I get right on it

[Psychox]

I had been reading Naruto for 7.5 years and shipping Naruhina for 7, Kataang has some things that NaruSaku can’t dream of having…

 

I should've stopped reading here ,but lets take a look at it . NaruSaku can't dream of having xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx haters logic ..

 

At first, I thought this kiss came out of nowhere. Like 15 minutes ago Katara was hugging Zuko, and 100 minutes ago, Katara said she was confused. Then I realized that this kiss didn’t come out of nowhere…

 

People should realize that there were 4 days before the frigging comet (sozan's comet) , so she was confused like 5-6 days before that.That hug was a thanks and it was like 10 days ago . Yeah... because she wasn't reciprocating at all..

And because she was confused it doesn't mean she loved Zuko at that time ,but because they were in a war , she said so herself , are people ignoring the verbiage too ?? Looks like that sentence '' came out of nowhere'' shall be used against NS in the near future (She loves Sasuke so much she went to save him from dark... )

 

EXAMPLE #1- there are clear Kataang moments (not Katara and Aang being friends, but suggesting more than that. Several or important moments are in bold) in 101, 102, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 201, 202, 212, 218, 219, 220, 301, 302, 303, 306, 309, 310, 317, and of course 321. That’s sooo much leadup, it’s crazy. Narusaku has just as many moments (if not less) in 646 chapters of their friendship, as 61 episodes of Kataang’s (648 subtracted by 2 chapters before Sakura is introduced). It’s almost like the relationship is a main part of the series… (queue example 2)

 

ahah , ''if not less'' ,girl you've got the wrong number, NS has the entire manga , where from part 2 there are Hinted feelings from Sakura-> Naruto. The friendship level was broken since they have potential mutual chemistry , Naruto belying a perv and Sakura a closet perv .

Kishi has build NS from Hate->Tolerance->Friend->best friend-> lovers? So yeah.. they don't have any moments AT ALL.. Part one is full of them mostly Naru->Saku Part 2 Saku->Naru

 

EXAMPLE #2- I also realize that Kataang ended the series because the show is not about the fire nation, or the 100-year war, or Zuko or the Avatar Cycle or any of that. It’s about Aang, friendship, and love. What better way to end a series about Aang, love, and friendship than with Aang falling in love with his best friend? Meanwhile, love is a side note in Naruto, and therefore Naruto’s GF should be a more minor character, so as not to interfere with the main themes of the series: camaraderie, the philosophy of Illusion and Pain, NaruSasu (friendship), and longing for acceptance. There are few points in which romance drives the plot of the series (the NH confession being one of them), but in Avatar, the first season finale consists of Sokka’s ex becoming the moon in a mirror of the story of zhong-qiu-jie (google it, it was a couple weeks ago), Aang refuses to unlock his 7th chakra due to the love of his life-Katara, and Zuko’s entire family strife derives from the fact that his mother didn’t love his ‘father’ (for explanation of the ”’s, read The Search). Romance & Kataang are central to the show, whereas romance is peripheral in Naruto.

 

What? Aang falling in love with his best friend?Wasn't it the other way around,sushi?   Oh ,boy ,Naruto's girlfriend should be a side character , then the B word  took control . In short she can't stand Sakura and loves Hinata.
Correction SS is longing for acceptance and acknowledgment . LOL NH driving the plot of the confession , that confession lasted 5 panels at most had no follow up. SAkura's took a chapter long and contributed for team 7's reunion.

Romance in Naruto is concentrated mainly in part 2 , said by the author himself.

EXAMPLE #3- But my favorite thing that NaruSaku will never have, is an entire music track written by the original makers of it’s series built to accompany a moving dramatic finale-kiss scene. This theme is one of my favorite-if not my favorite-pieces of wordless music ever.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49awwcktN0

 

T_T, no comment

 

Eventually, I realized the important things in Kataang are things that NaruSaku will never have, and I grew to really like the ship.

 

Huh, okay.

So in conclusion this girl dislikes Sakura with Naruto, because she is a Hinata lover and wants Hinata to be the main character ,not happening .

Hinata appers 5 times in the manga okay 7 ,but her confession kicked the romance in? Did this person read the ACTUAL MANGA?

Edited by Psychox, 01 October 2013 - 09:27 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

One thing I noticed about outside pairings is that they did get resolved in a non-romantic way. NS for the most part are either left unresolved (infamous Yamato's words) or ends with a heart warming factor.

[BlueStarSaber]

Ok this what I thinking of putting I have used some of my own words but most of the one you lot came up with, I first want to check with you lot If I need to add anything

Ok this is not cool, you do realise that NaruSaku has just about everything Kataang has.

 

You do realise that in the series they were 4 days before the frigging comet (sozan's comet) , so she was confused like 5-6 days before that also because she was confused it doesn't mean she loved Zuko at that time ,but because they were in a war , she said so herself.

Kishi has build NS from Hate->Tolerance->Friend->best friend-> lovers? So yeah.. they don't have any moments AT ALL.. Part one is full of them mostly Naru->Saku Part 2 Saku->Naru

All types of love are important in Naruto and even created most of the villains. Obito turned evil because he lost the girl he was in love with (Heck every Uchiha that has become a villain in the series lost some one they love and have become twisted or more powerful than before). Nagato did the same when he lost his companion Yahiko, Orochimaru when he lost his parents etc. Love is used as a plot device and is a very big element in the story. (I think even Nagato said something like "Love creates hate"). 

Sasuke's love for his clan and brother is what lead him to side with akatsuki to destroy the leaf. Not to mention the hole love triangle for team 7 lead to their reunion at the brigde, which lead to Naruto deciding what he wanted to do with Sasuke and Sasuke finally having himself implanted with his brothers eyes. 

The main theme of Naruto is in one simple word: bonds. This is the driving force of the series and really, the focus needs to be spread to tell each of the stories. It makes no sense that the love aspect must go to side characters. The best chapter that completely tells you the theme and focus of Naruto is in the part where he flashback during Gaara's fight. In that flashback, he split his friends into different meanings.

Iruka: first to acknowledge, father-like figure, always there to help
Kakashi: a teacher to aid him, advice him, always there to tutor
Sasuke: a rival guy, someone he wants to best, always a motivation to grow stronger
Sakura: a love interest, someone he wants to date, someone who he wants to get close, a lover of his life

A

nyway what does music have to do with a pair for becoming canon, for all we know Naruto and Sakura could get one later.

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

That text felt so fusion that it's awesome. It's good to go. Let us know if you need more assist. Like I said, I wish I could add more, but on to Battlefield 4 beta! Kill all!

[sushi.]

What would be funny if that person is lurking here as one of our 122 guests. XD

Edited by sushi., 01 October 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

That text felt so fusion that it's awesome. It's good to go. Let us know if you need more assist. Like I said, I wish I could add more, but on to Battlefield 4 beta! Kill all!

 

Thanks I have posted it on my tumblr blog (I need to work on it) here is a link to it http://bluestarsaber.tumblr.com/ also here is a link to the original sorce if they any of you want to put some arguments of their own http://lesanichirotl...nsidered-katara

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 01 October 2013 - 10:08 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Thanks I have posted it on my tumblr blog (I need to work on it) here is a link to it http://bluestarsaber.tumblr.com/ also here is a link to the original sorce if they any of you want to put some arguments of their own http://lesanichirotl...nsidered-katara

Cool thanks. I wonder how fast does the others see it. I don't know about tumblr. It still seems new to me.

[BlueStarSaber]

What would be funny if that person is lurking here as one of our 122 guests. XD

 

We will find out at some point.

 

Cool thanks. I wonder how fast does the others see it. I don't know about tumblr. It still seems new to me.

 

No problem. I have no idea. I see I'm sure if you want you could get into it.

[morgaine4]

 

This post is why you're starting to climb the ladder in my list of people's posts I adore and love. I was honestly (almost) expecting some of the people here (the "immature" ones) to start bashing me. But I'm glad a sensible person like you is still around to see my post for what it is.

 

That, and you have a sort of (?) medical background helps to see my post in the same perspective as I do (and even better at that). I applaud you. 

 

Yes, the whole post above I agree entirely with. Kishi has been overlooking the medics' role in battle ever since Part II (post-Gaara arc). He set up the whole concept well back in part I, so I don't understand how he could not bother to expand it more. Any good author can do something like this if he's wiling to. The only mangaka I see using the role of a medic effectively is Mashima.

 

As for the last part about Sakura's feelings, sorry about that. I sort of went off a tangent there. But my basic point is, if she's confused or doesn't understand her feelings, then why not talk to somebody about it? I understand the whole romantic tension thing, but lots of other mangas like Naruto has resolved that kind of issue far earlier (FMA, anyone?).  I think Kishi severely underestimated its' impact on the fandom. (And I'd bet you my ass Mashima saw this whole phenomenon with Naruto and is the very reason why he's setting up the pairings clearly, like I said in one of my previous posts.)

 

I really wanna know now whether Kishi gave Mashima advice on the shippings, or if Kishi read FT, and kicked himself in the ass over and over for his apparent Junior's genius.......

 

@Sushi: that's kind of the whole point of my post, actually. She's not contributing to the plot anymore. Ino herself is moving the plot more than she is.

 

 

Oh, wow, thank you!  I don't know why you'd get bashed though, you didn't say anything offensive, cruel, bigoted etc etc you just stated your opinion/analysis and so what if people disagree on certain aspects.  That's good, without that what's the pont of a debate thread?  What's the point of a forum online?

 

Ahh, I see what you mean about Sakura's feelings.  I'm not all that familiar with other manga, but just comparing Naruto to fiction in general I think it's important to note that a particular reason the romantic tension can't be resolved till closer to the end is because the romantic tension is a part of Team 7 tension.  Also, the first three things we found out about Naruto are that he wants to surpass the Hokage, he wants to gain acknowledgement from everyone and from Sasuke in particular, and there's a girl he likes (he'd like for her to fall for him, but eventually we find out he's willing to place her happiness above her own) --it seems logical that these three threads will be the last to be resolved, and that gives the manga a "novel-like" feel, I do enjoy that.  As a manga, Naruto is a very basic example of a non-tragic hero's journey, I doubt he'll get the girl much before the end (plus, they're only 17, if it were me I'd have another time skip with one or two arcs and I'd resolve the romance then, when they're in their 20s).

 

As to Sakura talking to Ino, Tsunade, Shizune, or even Kakashi, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Sakura's relationships with the people other than Naruto who are important to her, but I really don't think that that focus needs to be or should be on romance.  There's so much more I'd want to know:  Did Kakashi train her at all in genjutsu?  How did Tsunade go about training her so that she could gain the seal?  Why did Tsunade allow her to use the seal (assuming Sakura has regenerative jutsu)?  What is Sakura and Shizune's relationship like?  I remember I always wondered if Shizune might have been a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit jealous that despite all the time that Shizune spent with Tsunade, it was Sakura who was really inhereting Tsunade's will (her style, her type and level of techniques).  I was pleasently surprised to see how proud Shizune was of Sakura when Sakura revealed the seal, but then I was annoyed that we didn't see more of their relationship.  They're sister disciples of Tsunade, they've spent time together, Shizune has helped trained Sakura, but we still have a better understanding of the relationship between Naruto and Nagato who are brother disciples who barely spent time together?  That makes very little sense.  But that's an over-all problem with Kishi's writing, he's so focused on Naruto, Sasuke, and to some extent Shikamaru that he easily forgets about other characters.  I mean, Lee and Gaara had some sort of bond, so why wasn't melodramatic, emotional Lee more torn up when he found out that Gaara's life was in danger?    Not to mention the disasterous non-relationship that the members of team 8 have.  Hinata's the easy criticism, she tends to be so obsessed with Naruto that she doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything else, but what about Shino and Kiba?  What about their relationship with Kurenai?  I mean, sometimes it seems as if we're supposed to remember only that the child is Asuma's and forget that it is also Kurenai's (it effectively turns her into a baby incubator, ugh!).  We know enough to know that Kiba is uber protective, so wouldn't he be as protective of his pregnant Sensei as Shikamaru would be of his deceased Sensei's wife/gf/significant other and unborn child?  Shouldn't this offer Kiba (and/or Shino) and Shikamaru a special and specific reason to bond?  But all of that is ignored/forgotten.

 

Anyway, going back to Sakura, if she were to get more focus, if her other relationships were to be given more focus I wouldn't want her to even mention her romantic tension.  I think there are so many other things for her to focus on (especially at this age, not that anyone at any age needs to be focused on romance unless it's what they want) and frankly I think enough of Sakura the character is focused on romance, I think the pacing of her romantic discoveries, the amount of time she spends on romance, the fact that she's focused on other things (like the Akatsuki, the war) is just right.  I think if she were more focused on romance, if she were more like Hinata (bringing it up regardless of what is going around her --unless it's brought up for a purpose of course), I'd be disappointed in her.  I'm glad that romance isn't the only fuel that drives her, and that the romantic isn't a major distraction for the character (as it is, Sakura is dismissed as a romance-obsessed fangirl).
 

[Inferno180]

I don't know why but I'm excited for the next chapter because now that the 5 kage arrived, I'm hoping we get sakura tsunade interaction or an event in which they seek to save shikamaru. Rather it would be neat for her to see how far sakura came, that would be neat too. Though naruto and Sasuke followed by minato have been shown fighting the most and it's naruto and Sasuke who will try to cut down the tree, I just think it's finally good how the most powerful have assembled to face obito. Naruto, sakura, Sasuke, minato, hashirama, tobirama, hiruzen, tsunade, gaara, ay, Mei, ohnoki, bee, jugo (as he is assisting Sasuke) and guy. Now if only Kakashi came back it would be complete. To a lesser sense though other powerful people include lee, choji, ino (for her telepathy), shikamaru (if he can get his strategy up if needed), also Karin and sugetesu. Basically if they are team 7, taka, a kage, jinchurki, or other famous or unique person they are there right now in the fight. Everyone else has the kurama cloak.

I do find it funny how both naruto and Sasuke technically have someone supporting them to unleash their great power. Naruto has kurama is is using his frog sage mode with kuramas power. Sasuke is using his Susanno with jugo granting natural energy.

[rocci]

Huff, well I think it's not fair to compare fairy tail and naruto. If you want to compare naruto, you should compare it with the other manga who has the same three main character, like slamdunk, Beelzebub, gintama, Alive the final evolution, and to some extent berserk, and so on.

And fairytail, you should compare it not with naruto, instead with onepiece. Because just like onepiece there're no real romance in it. Only nakama power and pure advanture.

And I already said that kishimoto weakness is character. He only good at introduction. And I never see the problem with sakura because I understand what role he give it to her.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't have problems with Naruto's characters. Well some but not enough to say huge flaw. Besides everyone will have a flaw. One can be story, the other can be the characters, and another can be actions, and so on.

[rocci]

It's all about conflict. If you don't have conflict you will be side line just like rock lee.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Done my research. I was going to post a LAP, but knowing the chapter or even spoiler is almost out, I will place on hold. Rereading some of the old chapters sure gave me a new view on many things. Is it for the best? Well, that depends on your end. It's good for me, so probably that's good for everyone. The key word is everyone.

[Codus N]

 

 

Oh, wow, thank you!  I don't know why you'd get bashed though, you didn't say anything offensive, cruel, bigoted etc etc you just stated your opinion/analysis and so what if people disagree on certain aspects.  That's good, without that what's the pont of a debate thread?  What's the point of a forum online?

 

Ahh, I see what you mean about Sakura's feelings.  I'm not all that familiar with other manga, but just comparing Naruto to fiction in general I think it's important to note that a particular reason the romantic tension can't be resolved till closer to the end is because the romantic tension is a part of Team 7 tension.  Also, the first three things we found out about Naruto are that he wants to surpass the Hokage, he wants to gain acknowledgement from everyone and from Sasuke in particular, and there's a girl he likes (he'd like for her to fall for him, but eventually we find out he's willing to place her happiness above her own) --it seems logical that these three threads will be the last to be resolved, and that gives the manga a "novel-like" feel, I do enjoy that.  As a manga, Naruto is a very basic example of a non-tragic hero's journey, I doubt he'll get the girl much before the end (plus, they're only 17, if it were me I'd have another time skip with one or two arcs and I'd resolve the romance then, when they're in their 20s).

 

As to Sakura talking to Ino, Tsunade, Shizune, or even Kakashi, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Sakura's relationships with the people other than Naruto who are important to her, but I really don't think that that focus needs to be or should be on romance.  There's so much more I'd want to know:  Did Kakashi train her at all in genjutsu?  How did Tsunade go about training her so that she could gain the seal?  Why did Tsunade allow her to use the seal (assuming Sakura has regenerative jutsu)?  What is Sakura and Shizune's relationship like?  I remember I always wondered if Shizune might have been a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit jealous that despite all the time that Shizune spent with Tsunade, it was Sakura who was really inhereting Tsunade's will (her style, her type and level of techniques).  I was pleasently surprised to see how proud Shizune was of Sakura when Sakura revealed the seal, but then I was annoyed that we didn't see more of their relationship.  They're sister disciples of Tsunade, they've spent time together, Shizune has helped trained Sakura, but we still have a better understanding of the relationship between Naruto and Nagato who are brother disciples who barely spent time together?  That makes very little sense.  But that's an over-all problem with Kishi's writing, he's so focused on Naruto, Sasuke, and to some extent Shikamaru that he easily forgets about other characters.  I mean, Lee and Gaara had some sort of bond, so why wasn't melodramatic, emotional Lee more torn up when he found out that Gaara's life was in danger?    Not to mention the disasterous non-relationship that the members of team 8 have.  Hinata's the easy criticism, she tends to be so obsessed with Naruto that she doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything else, but what about Shino and Kiba?  What about their relationship with Kurenai?  I mean, sometimes it seems as if we're supposed to remember only that the child is Asuma's and forget that it is also Kurenai's (it effectively turns her into a baby incubator, ugh!).  We know enough to know that Kiba is uber protective, so wouldn't he be as protective of his pregnant Sensei as Shikamaru would be of his deceased Sensei's wife/gf/significant other and unborn child?  Shouldn't this offer Kiba (and/or Shino) and Shikamaru a special and specific reason to bond?  But all of that is ignored/forgotten.

 

Anyway, going back to Sakura, if she were to get more focus, if her other relationships were to be given more focus I wouldn't want her to even mention her romantic tension.  I think there are so many other things for her to focus on (especially at this age, not that anyone at any age needs to be focused on romance unless it's what they want) and frankly I think enough of Sakura the character is focused on romance, I think the pacing of her romantic discoveries, the amount of time she spends on romance, the fact that she's focused on other things (like the Akatsuki, the war) is just right.  I think if she were more focused on romance, if she were more like Hinata (bringing it up regardless of what is going around her --unless it's brought up for a purpose of course), I'd be disappointed in her.  I'm glad that romance isn't the only fuel that drives her, and that the romantic isn't a major distraction for the character (as it is, Sakura is dismissed as a romance-obsessed fangirl).
 

 

Since you're fairly new here, I'll give you the short version. Basically, our fandom is not that different at all from the NH fandom. While there are a lot of members who are civilized, and post interesting opinions, even opinions that go against NS (for exploration purposes, of course). There are also several members who "hates" seeing any kind of criticism towards Sakura. Despite them being valid criticisms and is in no way bashing at all. These members have gotten loud as of recently and is getting on the nerves of the mods and older members like myself.

 

Of course, I'm not perfect either since I do tend to blow my top when I get provoked.

 

Anyways, moving on...

 

While your comparison of Naruto to fiction in general is valid, I think that given the media itself, it should be narrowed down to the scope of animes and mangas alike. I agree about the whole flow of the manga having a novel-like feel to it. In fact, that's what Kishi probably had in mind with the whole subplot of Jiraiya's first novel.

 

Regarding Sakura herself, yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. There's not enough exploration of her relationships with other characters. And it's because of this she is still seen as the flat, shallow girl back in part I. Hell, she competes with Tenten in terms of being the flattest character because of this reason alone    

[Superman333]

 

 

Oh, wow, thank you!  I don't know why you'd get bashed though, you didn't say anything offensive, cruel, bigoted etc etc you just stated your opinion/analysis and so what if people disagree on certain aspects.  That's good, without that what's the pont of a debate thread?  What's the point of a forum online?

 

Ahh, I see what you mean about Sakura's feelings.  I'm not all that familiar with other manga, but just comparing Naruto to fiction in general I think it's important to note that a particular reason the romantic tension can't be resolved till closer to the end is because the romantic tension is a part of Team 7 tension.  Also, the first three things we found out about Naruto are that he wants to surpass the Hokage, he wants to gain acknowledgement from everyone and from Sasuke in particular, and there's a girl he likes (he'd like for her to fall for him, but eventually we find out he's willing to place her happiness above her own) --it seems logical that these three threads will be the last to be resolved, and that gives the manga a "novel-like" feel, I do enjoy that.  As a manga, Naruto is a very basic example of a non-tragic hero's journey, I doubt he'll get the girl much before the end (plus, they're only 17, if it were me I'd have another time skip with one or two arcs and I'd resolve the romance then, when they're in their 20s).

 

As to Sakura talking to Ino, Tsunade, Shizune, or even Kakashi, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Sakura's relationships with the people other than Naruto who are important to her, but I really don't think that that focus needs to be or should be on romance.  There's so much more I'd want to know:  Did Kakashi train her at all in genjutsu?  How did Tsunade go about training her so that she could gain the seal?  Why did Tsunade allow her to use the seal (assuming Sakura has regenerative jutsu)?  What is Sakura and Shizune's relationship like?  I remember I always wondered if Shizune might have been a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit jealous that despite all the time that Shizune spent with Tsunade, it was Sakura who was really inhereting Tsunade's will (her style, her type and level of techniques).  I was pleasently surprised to see how proud Shizune was of Sakura when Sakura revealed the seal, but then I was annoyed that we didn't see more of their relationship.  They're sister disciples of Tsunade, they've spent time together, Shizune has helped trained Sakura, but we still have a better understanding of the relationship between Naruto and Nagato who are brother disciples who barely spent time together?  That makes very little sense.  But that's an over-all problem with Kishi's writing, he's so focused on Naruto, Sasuke, and to some extent Shikamaru that he easily forgets about other characters.  I mean, Lee and Gaara had some sort of bond, so why wasn't melodramatic, emotional Lee more torn up when he found out that Gaara's life was in danger?    Not to mention the disasterous non-relationship that the members of team 8 have.  Hinata's the easy criticism, she tends to be so obsessed with Naruto that she doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything else, but what about Shino and Kiba?  What about their relationship with Kurenai?  I mean, sometimes it seems as if we're supposed to remember only that the child is Asuma's and forget that it is also Kurenai's (it effectively turns her into a baby incubator, ugh!).  We know enough to know that Kiba is uber protective, so wouldn't he be as protective of his pregnant Sensei as Shikamaru would be of his deceased Sensei's wife/gf/significant other and unborn child?  Shouldn't this offer Kiba (and/or Shino) and Shikamaru a special and specific reason to bond?  But all of that is ignored/forgotten.

 

Anyway, going back to Sakura, if she were to get more focus, if her other relationships were to be given more focus I wouldn't want her to even mention her romantic tension.  I think there are so many other things for her to focus on (especially at this age, not that anyone at any age needs to be focused on romance unless it's what they want) and frankly I think enough of Sakura the character is focused on romance, I think the pacing of her romantic discoveries, the amount of time she spends on romance, the fact that she's focused on other things (like the Akatsuki, the war) is just right.  I think if she were more focused on romance, if she were more like Hinata (bringing it up regardless of what is going around her --unless it's brought up for a purpose of course), I'd be disappointed in her.  I'm glad that romance isn't the only fuel that drives her, and that the romantic isn't a major distraction for the character (as it is, Sakura is dismissed as a romance-obsessed fangirl).
 

whoa you are like so smart .!!! literally . 

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Not to change any subjects or anything, but I came across something rather interesting...

 

I wasn't sure if I should post it on NaruSaku the Build up or here, so I'll put it here. I guess I could move it if need be. 

 

Anyway, here's the link.

 

http://swirls-and-cu...nce-to-be-canon

[morgaine4]

 

Since you're fairly new here, I'll give you the short version. Basically, our fandom is not that different at all from the NH fandom. While there are a lot of members who are civilized, and post interesting opinions, even opinions that go against NS (for exploration purposes, of course). There are also several members who "hates" seeing any kind of criticism towards Sakura. Despite them being valid criticisms and is in no way bashing at all. These members have gotten loud as of recently and is getting on the nerves of the mods and older members like myself.

 

Of course, I'm not perfect either since I do tend to blow my top when I get provoked.

 

Anyways, moving on...

 

While your comparison of Naruto to fiction in general is valid, I think that given the media itself, it should be narrowed down to the scope of animes and mangas alike. I agree about the whole flow of the manga having a novel-like feel to it. In fact, that's what Kishi probably had in mind with the whole subplot of Jiraiya's first novel.

 

Regarding Sakura herself, yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. There's not enough exploration of her relationships with other characters. And it's because of this she is still seen as the flat, shallow girl back in part I. Hell, she competes with Tenten in terms of being the flattest character because of this reason alone    

 

Heh, that's not too surprising, Naruto's target audience is pretty young.

 

I see what you're saying, I'm just wondering if Naruto should be compared to anything other than itself?  I don't have the knowledge to compare it to other manga, but I think that the way this manga is set-up and the way the Team 7 tension and romantic tension are set-up, the romantic tension can't be resolved till close to the end.

 

While I do wish there was a greater exploration of her relationships, I don't think it's entirely accurate that Sakura is a flat character at all and I especially don't subscribe to the notion that she's as flat as Tenten.  We did have an arc that focused on her, on her relationship with Chiyo, on the fact that Sakura actually is the other person who has a bit of Naruto's special "conversion" gift.  I really think it depends on one's taste, and on how one reads the manga etc etc.  I adore Sakura as she is, I'd like to see more of her, I'd have liked for the character to be given more, but I think she's a wonderful character, the most dynamic character, the most interesting character --but all of that is subjective.  I find her interesting because of how slowly she changes, of how realistically her changes come about, that she's not on some easy path to "getting it," but that she often fails, takes multiple steps backwards...but even still she realizes her mistakes, is capable of self-analysis, and moves on.  I think Sakura's awesomeness is often overlooked because of how slow-paced her "growth" has been, and that's fine, but I love that about her.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

have anybody seen this before?

 

Nice.  It is October afterall.

 

It's all about conflict. If you don't have conflict you will be side line just like rock lee.

 

Rock Lee managed to get a kick in on Madara.  He's done enough.

 

 

 

Oh, wow, thank you!  I don't know why you'd get bashed though, you didn't say anything offensive, cruel, bigoted etc etc you just stated your opinion/analysis and so what if people disagree on certain aspects.  That's good, without that what's the pont of a debate thread?  What's the point of a forum online?

 

Ahh, I see what you mean about Sakura's feelings.  I'm not all that familiar with other manga, but just comparing Naruto to fiction in general I think it's important to note that a particular reason the romantic tension can't be resolved till closer to the end is because the romantic tension is a part of Team 7 tension.  Also, the first three things we found out about Naruto are that he wants to surpass the Hokage, he wants to gain acknowledgement from everyone and from Sasuke in particular, and there's a girl he likes (he'd like for her to fall for him, but eventually we find out he's willing to place her happiness above her own) --it seems logical that these three threads will be the last to be resolved, and that gives the manga a "novel-like" feel, I do enjoy that.  As a manga, Naruto is a very basic example of a non-tragic hero's journey, I doubt he'll get the girl much before the end (plus, they're only 17, if it were me I'd have another time skip with one or two arcs and I'd resolve the romance then, when they're in their 20s).

 

As to Sakura talking to Ino, Tsunade, Shizune, or even Kakashi, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Sakura's relationships with the people other than Naruto who are important to her, but I really don't think that that focus needs to be or should be on romance.  There's so much more I'd want to know:  Did Kakashi train her at all in genjutsu?  How did Tsunade go about training her so that she could gain the seal?  Why did Tsunade allow her to use the seal (assuming Sakura has regenerative jutsu)?  What is Sakura and Shizune's relationship like?  I remember I always wondered if Shizune might have been a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit jealous that despite all the time that Shizune spent with Tsunade, it was Sakura who was really inhereting Tsunade's will (her style, her type and level of techniques).  I was pleasently surprised to see how proud Shizune was of Sakura when Sakura revealed the seal, but then I was annoyed that we didn't see more of their relationship.  They're sister disciples of Tsunade, they've spent time together, Shizune has helped trained Sakura, but we still have a better understanding of the relationship between Naruto and Nagato who are brother disciples who barely spent time together?  That makes very little sense.  But that's an over-all problem with Kishi's writing, he's so focused on Naruto, Sasuke, and to some extent Shikamaru that he easily forgets about other characters.  I mean, Lee and Gaara had some sort of bond, so why wasn't melodramatic, emotional Lee more torn up when he found out that Gaara's life was in danger?    Not to mention the disasterous non-relationship that the members of team 8 have.  Hinata's the easy criticism, she tends to be so obsessed with Naruto that she doesn't seem to care about anyone or anything else, but what about Shino and Kiba?  What about their relationship with Kurenai?  I mean, sometimes it seems as if we're supposed to remember only that the child is Asuma's and forget that it is also Kurenai's (it effectively turns her into a baby incubator, ugh!).  We know enough to know that Kiba is uber protective, so wouldn't he be as protective of his pregnant Sensei as Shikamaru would be of his deceased Sensei's wife/gf/significant other and unborn child?  Shouldn't this offer Kiba (and/or Shino) and Shikamaru a special and specific reason to bond?  But all of that is ignored/forgotten.

 

Anyway, going back to Sakura, if she were to get more focus, if her other relationships were to be given more focus I wouldn't want her to even mention her romantic tension.  I think there are so many other things for her to focus on (especially at this age, not that anyone at any age needs to be focused on romance unless it's what they want) and frankly I think enough of Sakura the character is focused on romance, I think the pacing of her romantic discoveries, the amount of time she spends on romance, the fact that she's focused on other things (like the Akatsuki, the war) is just right.  I think if she were more focused on romance, if she were more like Hinata (bringing it up regardless of what is going around her --unless it's brought up for a purpose of course), I'd be disappointed in her.  I'm glad that romance isn't the only fuel that drives her, and that the romantic isn't a major distraction for the character (as it is, Sakura is dismissed as a romance-obsessed fangirl).
 

 

Though, these moments wouls be nice, I understand Kishimoto focusing on the main story arc.  He is under time-contraints, and he does at least 16 pages every week.  If Naruto was just anime I would be more critical.  After all, the orginal series had at least 80 episodes of filler between Sasuke Retrieval arc and Part 2.  However, since it's a 16 page weekly manga, I understand why he hasn't focused on side characters and inquisitive interactions as much.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 02 October 2013 - 06:29 AM.