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#9181 Fenris

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 26 2012, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes agreed. Compare to other characters development moments in the manga like Shikamaru, his resolve to protect the next generation thanks to Asuma and through his death he finally made his choice after defeating Hidan. Chouji when he fought Edo Tensei Asuma, Kiba when he fought Sakon of the sound four, Sakura when she fought the sound ninjas at the forest of death to protect both Naruto and Sasuke and most importantly putting Naruto in the same level of caring as the Uchiha. Lee when he fought Gaara, Gaara when he was beaten by Naruto (this one got a huge amount of development comparing to how he used to be in part 1). Compare to all those moments Hinata's character development is nothing but a joke it's like Kishi doesn't care about her at all. I have mentioned this before but this started happening since that Jump Festa interview when Kishi got those NH fan letters bashing Sakura saying that Hinata was a better heroine than her. I think Kishi was annoyed and that's probably the reason why he hasn't been trying hard on her character development, or as I mentioned he doesn't care anymore.

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And to be honest, I really don't give a damn. Hinata annoys me. Not to bash, but it seems like I'm not the only one who thinks that anymore. wink.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 26 2012, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes agreed. Compare to other characters development moments in the manga like Shikamaru, his resolve to protect the next generation thanks to Asuma and through his death he finally made his choice after defeating Hidan. Chouji when he fought Edo Tensei Asuma, Kiba when he fought Sakon of the sound four, Sakura when she fought the sound ninjas at the forest of death to protect both Naruto and Sasuke and most importantly putting Naruto in the same level of caring as the Uchiha. Lee when he fought Gaara, Gaara when he was beaten by Naruto (this one got a huge amount of development comparing to how he used to be in part 1). Compare to all those moments Hinata's character development is nothing but a joke it's like Kishi doesn't care about her at all. I have mentioned this before but this started happening since that Jump Festa interview when Kishi got those NH fan letters bashing Sakura saying that Hinata was a better heroine than her. I think Kishi was annoyed and that's probably the reason why he hasn't been trying hard on her character development, or as I mentioned he doesn't care anymore.

What's even more surprising is that I'm probably one of the only few people who likes Hinata and is unhappy with the way Kishi is handling her. All the other people who likes Hinata seems to be even more happy with the way Kishi changed her character focus from hard-worker to pairing fodder in part 2. It's as if they can't be bothered with her character development as long as she gets with Naruto.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Mar 26 2012, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's even more surprising is that I'm probably one of the only few people who likes Hinata and is unhappy with the way Kishi is handling her. All the other people who likes Hinata seems to be even more happy with the way Kishi changed her character focus from hard-worker to pairing fodder in part 2. It's as if they can't be bothered with her character development as long as she gets with Naruto.

Well, in a way, it's good for the NS fandom. It proves he's focusing on her being a pairing fodder technically. Her lack of development and such probably just made him sick of her or something with the hate of Sakura and stuff.
 
 
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:36 PM

For me I never really discussed the development process that much but I see it has been a big issue as of late. I never questioned the writer or that guy that runs the anime that much. Maybe I should be thinking outside the box. If developing process is the problem then I guess I agree with the rest of you and say Hinata could been better. We say it too often it is not a romance manga. It would of been nice to see Hinata prove herself to her clan. That would be a nice development for her. But what does happen now when that all her character is about Naruto. What is left after she fails. I think NH fans ruined what would of been a good future for her. (They love Hinata so much but sadly can't let her be happy other than being with Naruto) As NS fans we never ruin development for our characters. If they don't end up together it ain't the end of the world. They also have good futures if they don't. Naruto can become Hokage and Sakura top medic in the village. I like all characters in Naruto even Hinata.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Mar 26 2012, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In terms of character development, Hinata is the character I feel the most pity for. I really loved her, and I probably still do.

She, as a hard-working unfortunate girl had a potential to become so much more. Unlike Sakura in part one, who kept chasing Sasuke and neglecting her responsibilities to become stronger. At least, Hinata used her feelings for Naruto to motivate her into becoming stronger.

But now? While all the other characters have something that shine what does she have? Everything about her is so half-assed.
Her feelings for Naruto, romantic as it is, lacks trust and she barely knows him. Also, unlike part 1 her focus is not to be strong and be like him, but to be with him. (Going backwards and becoming like part 1 Sakura)
Her non-genius but hard-worker theme has been replaced with a role as a pairing fodder.
Her ninja abilities seems only like a weaker version compared to Neji. Since, Neji is a genius it may not be fair but then again she could've used that to work harder. Instead of making Neji her rival, he is now more like her protector.
Her role as a clan heir doesn't look bright when there were many instances showing her lack of leadership skills.

But the most annoying thing of all is how Kishi handled her development!
Normally, when characters get development they reach a certain phase of self-doubting, but then the character fights against their own self-doubt, wins against it and thus receiving development.

Now lets see Hinata....
Yes, she did have a phase of self-doubt during the war. When she was nearly beaten by Zetsu, Naruto saved her and then she was like, "I can't do anything..."
Then Naruto said, "You're strong." And as if she never doubted herself she became all confident to the point thinking that she is going to hold hands with Naruto and walk next to him. (Whether Naruto really wanted to do that with her was never important anyways.)
Seriously? She got her development because Naruto said so? One phrase from Naruto? She didn't fight for it at all! What was her character for?

If Naruto doesn't love her back, then what is left of her character?


I do feel bad for Hinata's developement, Narunarunaru. I'd like to think one reason though Hinata is confident she CAN be with Naruto is because of how he told her he liked people like her back before he took on Neji, but that was his complimenting her guts for standing up to fight Neji even when the odds were against her, yet she seemed as if she misconstrued it as if he was saying he had feelings for her too. Or that's the impression I got outta it with her getting all beet red in the face and everything.

I wonder if in the long run, given Hinata hasn't had much panel time, that may add up to why her developement has been piss-poor compared to everyone else. That kinda sucks in the long run given Hinata has potential when she isn't thinking about Naruto, since she obviously was able to make Chunin without him there.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Mar 26 2012, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's even more surprising is that I'm probably one of the only few people who likes Hinata and is unhappy with the way Kishi is handling her. All the other people who likes Hinata seems to be even more happy with the way Kishi changed her character focus from hard-worker to pairing fodder in part 2. It's as if they can't be bothered with her character development as long as she gets with Naruto.


Hey I like Hinata too and also not happy with how Kishi chose to poorly developed her character. Can't blame him if he gets tons of NH fan mail bashing on his heroine and character he's fond of. I don't like repeating myself but her entire character development is centered on Naruto only. The only reason she's fighting in the war is to protect Naruto. She's not doing this to protect her clan, her friends, her village or the rest of the ninja world. It's all about Naruto that's her only reason to fight I don't have a problem with that but it sounds selfish that she's only doing this for one person when she has many people to consider friends and precious to her. So that's her character development right there, if Naruto didn't existed means that she wouldn't be in the war in fact she wouldn't even be a ninja in the first place. I would like for Kishi to make her into a strong person who wants to fight for everyone (just like Naruto). But if he won't bother because he's not happy with the treatment his heroine has received at the hands of fans who worship a minor character like her, then it's his choice if he wants to continue having her as an insecure Naruto fan girl. May I add that Pierot is also to blame for worshiping over Hinata and diminishing Sakura's character giving her so much fan service that the rest of the world Mary sues her and hates Sakura to death.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Mar 26 2012, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's even more surprising is that I'm probably one of the only few people who likes Hinata and is unhappy with the way Kishi is handling her. All the other people who likes Hinata seems to be even more happy with the way Kishi changed her character focus from hard-worker to pairing fodder in part 2. It's as if they can't be bothered with her character development as long as she gets with Naruto.


I don't hate Hinata or anything but I have problems with her. She's in a way, falied character. Kishi went half-assed on her for the sake of the fandom which is why I feel so sorry for Hinata. She is being portrayed in a bad light, no matter what Hinata fans say. The only way I will every truly like her character like I do Sakura is that I have to see her grow but I haven't. Like Gravenimage said, she
is reverting back to her "Naruto fangirl" part 1 self and that disappoints me. I hope Kishi fixes her but I somehow doubt it.

Hinata won't be with Naruto. All of us here know that. She really is just pairing fodder. Sakura was at one point, but she has actually grown as a character. That is why I love Sakura. Hinata hasn't
grown and I am extremely disppointed in both Kishimoto and Hinata about this.

EDIT: Agreed Gravenimage about Pierrot. I was watching Part 1 fillers recently and it was rididculous how many filler NH moments and how many times Hinata showed up period. They really are to
blame for so many Hinata fans. sleep.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 26 2012, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey I like Hinata too and also not happy with how Kishi chose to poorly developed her character. Can't blame him if he gets tons of NH fan mail bashing on his heroine and character he's fond of. I don't like repeating myself but her entire character development is centered on Naruto only. The only reason she's fighting in the war is to protect Naruto. She's not doing this to protect her clan, her friends, her village or the rest of the ninja world. It's all about Naruto that's her only reason to fight I don't have a problem with that but it sounds selfish that she's only doing this for one person when she has many people to consider friends and precious to her. So that's her character development right there, if Naruto didn't existed means that she wouldn't be in the war in fact she wouldn't even be a ninja in the first place. I would like for Kishi to make her into a strong person who wants to fight for everyone (just like Naruto). But if he won't bother because he's not happy with the treatment his heroine has received at the hands of fans who worship a minor character like her, then it's his choice if he wants to continue having her as an insecure Naruto fan girl. May I add that Pierot is also to blame for worshiping over Hinata and diminishing Sakura's character giving her so much fan service that the rest of the world Mary sues her and hates Sakura to death.

Imo, he has every right to diminish Hinata's development. dry.gif But that's just my own opinion.. Hinata is given so much credit for things she hasn't done to some fans, by diminishing her character development, he's showing in a way that she's not as important as everyone think's she is. Right? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.
 
 
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Mar 26 2012, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Imo, he has every right to diminish Hinata's development. dry.gif But that's just my own opinion.. Hinata is given so much credit for things she hasn't done to some fans, by diminishing her character development, he's showing in a way that she's not as important as everyone think's she is. Right? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.


Could be a misunderstanding.

One thing I wonder though is why haven't we gotten to see Hinata show SOME potential jealousy at Naruto and Sakura's closeness? I mean, we saw Sakura felt bothered somewhat about Hinata having feelings for Naruto given how confused she is over it. Even in Bleach before Rangiku's pep talk, Orihime felt bad that she felt jealous about Rukia helping Ichigo out, yet as of now, she's done her fair share of helping Ichigo out.

After all, we've seen Sakura's feelings for Naruto are strong since he was willing to rush at him in his berserk 4 tails state and try to get him to stop going that far just to keep his promise to her, as well as her wishing to learn the same Jutsu that Yamato and Hashirama know to tame an out of control Jinchuriki so she could better help Naruto.

I just feel that if we saw some jealousy from Hinata toward Sakura, it could make her seem more human and be some GOOD developement. Am I the only one?? Opinions, please, guys.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Bryon_Konoha_Ninja @ Mar 26 2012, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could be a misunderstanding.

One thing I wonder though is why haven't we gotten to see Hinata show SOME potential jealousy at Naruto and Sakura's closeness? I mean, we saw Sakura felt bothered somewhat about Hinata having feelings for Naruto given how confused she is over it. Even in Bleach before Rangiku's pep talk, Orihime felt bad that she felt jealous about Rukia helping Ichigo out, yet as of now, she's done her fair share of helping Ichigo out.

After all, we've seen Sakura's feelings for Naruto are strong since he was willing to rush at him in his berserk 4 tails state and try to get him to stop going that far just to keep his promise to her, as well as her wishing to learn the same Jutsu that Yamato and Hashirama know to tame an out of control Jinchuriki so she could better help Naruto.

I just feel that if we saw some jealousy from Hinata toward Sakura, it could make her seem more human and be some GOOD developement. Am I the only one?? Opinions, please, guys.


Absolutely NOT making Hinata jealous of Sakura would only worsened the situation and increase potential of more NH fans. They will pity her even more and would hate Sakura further please let us not add more wood to the fire or in this case gasoline.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 26 2012, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Absolutely NOT making Hinata jealous of Sakura would only worsened the situation and increase potential of more NH fans. They will pity her even more and would hate Sakura further please let us not add more wood to the fire or in this case gasoline.

No, she should be jealous of Sakura. By all means she hold Naruto's heart in the palm in of her hands. Something Hinata yearns for tongue.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 26 2012, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata won't be with Naruto. All of us here know that. She really is just pairing fodder. Sakura was at one point, but she has actually grown as a character. That is why I love Sakura. Hinata hasn't
grown and I am extremely disppointed in both Kishimoto and Hinata about this.

That was proved to me in chapter 573 and 559. Hinata's growth and her favorite word is about confidence, but she still doubts herself? And also, Sakura proved that she learned teamwork from Kakashi in 573 and I think she's doing a fine job in this war.

EDIT; Since Hinata++ still have soo much more to do, maybe the series won't end soon? wow.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:53 PM

Huh. I see things are getting restless here with no NS moments or otherwise. mellow.gif SO Anyone here wants to guess what Hinata and Sakura are going to do after they join up with him and beat Tobi/Madara/Unknown? biggrin.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Mar 26 2012, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh. I see things are getting restless here with no NS moments or otherwise. mellow.gif SO Anyone here wants to guess what Hinata and Sakura are going to do after they join up with him and beat Tobi/Madara/Unknown? biggrin.gif

Well probably have Hinagasm and Sakugasm (yeah I made those up), because of his new cloak. As for helping, I don't think they could do much, unless Sakura had some sorta of secret training from Tsunade that gave her the Byakugou. tongue.gif It's not like Tsunade said "and I'm the only with it so far", so maybe Sakura has it too. smile.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:27 PM

I want to see a kunoichi cat fight between these two.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 26 2012, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The rest of you are right. Hinata's lack of faith in Naruto as a ninja is very annoying(What's with the 'I'll hold your hand.'? You doubt him that much Hinata? He's not a child.). But in her defense, she doesn't know him very well so of course she would worry too easily. Sakura can read him like a book and has complete faith in him and faith is important in a relationship. Really I can't see anyone more suited for Naruto than Sakura. They have mutual developemnt, trust, and the love needed. That's why NaruSaku will happen. narusakuct7.gif

Though I am annoyed with the fact that Sakura is the only member of Team 7 that doesn't know the truth about Itachi mad.gif She has a right to know just as much as them.


lol. I think you know that Hinata didn't mean holding his hand in the sense that she thinks he can't take care of himself. xD She meant it in a romantic context. She wants to hold his hand in the way couples often show affection towards each other.

This has nothing to do with my pairing preferences or anything either (NaruSaku is my otp of course, otherwise I wouldn't be on this site), but that was the nature of her comment

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:05 PM

^ Honestly, it could of been either or, easily. And it could of very well been referring to her being equal with him.
 
 
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:08 PM

@Gravenimage
Yeah, I also get the feeling that Kishi was frustrated with all those NH hate mail. But one thing I don't know is if he made Hinata a pairing fodder to send his message across that Hinata is not important or as a fanservice. It could go both ways seeing that the fans are generally happier with panels of her thinking only about, "Naruto-kun".

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Mar 27 2012, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want to see a kunoichi cat fight between these two.

Nah, Hinata's not the type to be jealous or start a fight with her friends. Her personality is meant to be kind smile.gif

If Hinata is not jealous with how Sakura and Naruto are close with each other, it just might be that she really loves him.
There's this saying in Japan that "being in love hurts, but real love doesn't."
So, she might be happy seeing that Naruto is happy with the girl he's in love with rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Fenris @ Mar 27 2012, 07:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Honestly, it could of been either or, easily. And it could of very well been referring to her being equal with him.

I also can't be 100% sure to the context of that message. The opinion is different among Japanese too. It's either a romantic context or referring to her being equal with him.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:20 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Mar 26 2012, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Honestly, it could of been either or, easily. And it could of very well been referring to her being equal with him.

Its easy to see what she meant by taking in her overall wording. She certainly wasn't thinking of being best buds just then.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Mar 27 2012, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its easy to see what she meant by taking in her overall wording. She certainly wasn't thinking of being best buds just then.

I'm also leaning towards the romantic context because there is no way Kishi will end the pairing wars so easily. But then again, we have to understand why the opinions are completely divided.

There is a reason why some interpret is as her referring to be his equal.
If it is romantic, it contradicts the statement before, "After this war, I will stop chasing you."
So some people interpret is as "I'm going to stand on equal grounds with you instead of following your back."

Either case, Kishi is sneaky because he gave us a statement that could go either way cool.gif
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