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[Chidori Mistress]

Thank you
I'll let you know her reply.

[SakuDotz]

Hinata really has recognized Naruto from the start, but that doesn't make her the more likely choice.

EXACTLY. Why would he drop his feelings for Sakura that he evidently has been holding onto for that long for Hinata if she got more screen time? =/ I find that highly unlikely.

[Chidori Mistress]

(damn no reply yet.)
True.
They are all really relying on Hinata's confession to Naruto.
He'll take it into consideration but he won't go leaping into her arms.

Another pretty difficult argument I'm usually faced with is
"Well Sakura still loves Sasuke and theirs no proof that she has stopped"
One SasuSaka fan spent ages arguing with me that its 'true love'
I personally believe it has always been more of a crush.
then they say
" If it's not true love why would she also be willing to betray her village for him then?"

[Chidori Mistress]

She replied:

Temari thought Naruto is annoying and TenTen thought he was a jerk, and both said that they were "cute/hot" and it's not mistreatment, but Hinata was the only girl who saw through Naruto's cliche' attitude. Also, in SAKURA'S case it seems like a bro/sis relationship:
Naruto does something annoying, Sakura gets mad easily, and feels like she wants to beat him up, and she nags him of what not to do, sounds like a sister to me. Yes Hinata has issues, but Naruto's the reason why she's trying to change that, if NaruHina was canon, it will help her loose that low-confidence. Besides do you think it would be THAT easy for Sakura to forget about Sasuke and go for Naruto just like that, after all she's been through? Naruto may still love her, but Sakura's feelings for Sasuke is interfering for NaruSaku to be canon

[Enermil]

Say to that fan that Naruto feelings for Sakura are also an obstacle for NaruHina. Oh and also tell hi/her that it is a bit pathetic to center the whole developpement of Hinata as a character to her being paired with Naruto. Also tell him to read Mizura manifesto. The Narusaku one and also the anti-NaruHina one.

My, my... another Naruhina fan that said that Sakura feelings for Sasuke are interfering with NaruSaku, yet he forgets that Naruto has got feelings for Sakura, as we saw with the ramen feeding scene.

Also tell him/her that I have a sister and I don´t ask her to go to dates with me. Oh... and also tell him that I don´t spy my sister when she is naked, like Naruto tried to do with Sakura.

[One-Shot]

i just want to tell every pairing fan to shut the **** up and wait for the pairings to actually happen so that there will be no need for arguments

[Enermil]

I suggest that you deal with that NaruHina fan the Mizura´s way. Let the manga speak for itself. Remember the whole Sakura following Sasuke´s scent and Hinata being paired with Naruto? Nothing happened.

[blindeye]

i just want to tell every pairing fan to shut the **** up and wait for the pairings to actually happen so that there will be no need for arguments

Hey man no need to be a jerk. People can argue about whatever they want.
And telling all pairing fans to do that includes this entire forum. (Its not to smart to piss of all of Heaven and Earth.)
Another thing, absolute pairings may never happen in this manga.

Ok lets get back on topic now.

If NaruHina is going to happen then why has Kish given her so little screen time? She has been shown in only a few pages in Shippuden, and in those pages Kish shows little or zero interaction between Naruto and Hinata.

"Well Sakura still loves Sasuke and theirs no proof that she has stopped"

She tried to attack him during the Sasuke Sai Arc.
Naruto Manga Returns

Besides do you think it would be THAT easy for Sakura to forget about Sasuke and go for Naruto just like that, after all she's been through?

It didnt happen like THAT. Its been over two and half years since Sasuke left. Isnt Sakura allowed to grow up emotionally?
When Sasuke finally did show up agian he tried to kill Team Kakashi. Why would somebody continue to like a person who tried to kill you or your closest friends? Sasuke tried to kill Naruto twice, is Sakura just supposed to overlook that?

[Nate River]

This NaruHina and SasuSaku fan keeps telling me how Naruto and Sakura have a brother/sister relationship.

Nick covered it pretty well, so I'll simply refer to his post. This is, or at least was, a popular defense because it allows them to accept and then explain it away.

They also keep insisting that since Kishimoto is a huge DBZ fan, "NaruHina have a great chance of getting together since it is not a maingirlXmaingirl pairing such as ChiChiXGoku."
She also keeps saying the old argument that "Hinata stands out more than the rest of the girls, she never liked Sasuke and never mistreated Naruto"

Ah, the good ol' DB/DBZ comparison. That's easy. One: presumes that Kishimoto's liking and inspiration of the series and Toriyama has anything to do with the romance and pairings. There is no evidence that it has any basis in those. Two: Think back to DB and DBZ, even Goku/ChiChi....how important was it to either series? It was probably even less important in that series than it is Naruto. So, what reason do I have to believe that his inspiration even came from there. If they wish to use that argument, they should prove the underlying assumption.

Three: Inspiration does not equal imitation. Just because Toriyama did doesn't mean Kishimoto will, especially considering they have no proof for the argument's underlying assumption.

I hate cross anime-comparisons because they make such assumptions, so in order for them to be decent there should be some reasons why that underlying assumptions is or, at least, has a reasonable probability of being true. There is none here. It's far better to use the series' actual material.

She stands out...in a sense. She wasn't mean to him in the beginning, true. But look at the series itself other than perhaps a couple brief moments in the chuunin exam, when has that mattered? Naruto hasn't held her an any higher esteem than anyone else because of it. Does he like her more, even as a friend, than Sasuke, Neji, Gaara, Sakura, and Ino because of it? Especially the first four treated him like crap, but now they are very close. She's different in that regard, for certain, but it really hasn't had any significance in his interpretation of her vis-a-vis the rest of his friends. It certainly is a usable point in fanfiction, but has meant so very little in the series itself.

Second, it's a narrow view of standing out. Check on her overall development and she hasn't really, especially when compared to Sakura. She did a bit during the Chuunin exams, but has been little more than an afterthought since then. Hell, in part 2, Ino has had more lines and more attention that Hinata so far. So far, Hinata's shined like TenTen has in the first arc in Part 2. Kiba has done more than she has.

Many seem to put Hinata on this throne above all of them. Claiming that if NaruHina had more screentime we will see that it will happen.

Well, that's the nature of fandom. All fandoms, especially it's most diehard fans, tend to do this. I've seen it happen in NaruSaku plenty of times, so I don't really criticize fandoms for this unless that bleeds over into actual debate or the glasses become too rosy.

And, yeah, if they had more screentime it might, but that's true of any pairing. TenTen might be with Neji now if they had more screentime. Fact is, the haven't. Same for NaruHina. They haven't had the screen time and even when they have had in this arc absolutely nothing has happened yet. They haven't had it and until they do have meaningful screen time together, it's pure speculation and hope.

I know NaruSaku will probably have more meaningful interaction because their relationship is very important within the context of the story. Will it be romantic action, that I cannot say. Saying so would be speculative. It could be friendship, it could relate all to Sasuke in some manner given the important of the Team 7 relationship, but Team 7's importance tells me I have good reason to expect such interaction between Naruto and Sakura. Naruto's and Hinata's relationship isn't very important to the overall story. It's just not, especially in part 2.

So saying if they had more screen time doesn't mean anything and there isn't any good reason to assume they'll get tons of it in the future. In this arc, maybe, as long as she hangs around there is at least a reason to believe it might, but if this flames out like it's appearing too, why should I expect a ton of it in the future?

[Penandsword1]

She replied:

Temari thought Naruto is annoying and TenTen thought he was a jerk, and both said that they were "cute/hot" and it's not mistreatment, but Hinata was the only girl who saw through Naruto's cliche' attitude.

Temari never thought Naruto was annoying and TenTen doesn't think of him as a jerk, that was never found in the manga. Is she reading the same thing as the rest of the fandom?

Also, in SAKURA'S case it seems like a bro/sis relationship:
Naruto does something annoying, Sakura gets mad easily, and feels like she wants to beat him up, and she nags him of what not to do, sounds like a sister to me.

I don't know, that sounds more like a nagging wife to me. You know the type who feels that their husband is behaving out of line and the only way that they would follow order is to nag at them to do things. Personally they "fight" like an old marry couple to me.

Yes Hinata has issues, but Naruto's the reason why she's trying to change that, if NaruHina was canon, it will help her loose that low-confidence.

It doesn't have to be absolute true love that makes people become more confident. Being their friend, lending support, and basically encouraging a person often does the trick.

Besides do you think it would be THAT easy for Sakura to forget about Sasuke and go for Naruto just like that, after all she's been through? Naruto may still love her, but Sakura's feelings for Sasuke is interfering for NaruSaku to be canon

No it wouldn't be that easy for Sakura to "forget about Sasuke and go for Naruto". Love could never be that easy. But part of love is learning to grow and trust your partner and let them do the same for you. It might take time and the obstacles are hard but its because you took the time to nurture a relationship instead of rushing into one is what makes it worthwhile. Basically that's the relationship of Naruto and Sakura. As for Sakura's feelings for Sasuke interfering with the canonness of NaruSaku, we have to understand that feelings often change as one grows older and that people have to be open minded to the possibility that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke could have change. But then again we have to wait and see what's in store for us.

[Power06]

I need to add my two cents.


NaruSaku is the best thing that happened to me since sliced bread. Quite frankly no matter how far and few in between interactions may seem I love those moments and cherish them. They look to each other as equals, respect each other's spaces, and most importantly they help one another when one is down. I dont need to have NaruSaku overly romantic *rare in a Shounen Manga*, but the tender moments, even comedic ones are dear to me.

Part 1 No matter what it took, Naruto protected Sakura at all costs, even if the very deed was going to kill him. Part 2 Now Sakura vows to protect Naruto from the hands of the Akatsuki, who seek the Demon Fox residing in his body. Mind you now, thy mess up along the way, but instead of succumbing to weakness, they work toward a solution of victory even if it gets grimy.

They both promise to protect each other. Now this doesnt mean love, but if one refer where Naruto fails to retrieve Sasuke and he cries. Sakura steps in and takes some of his burden, telling him that she is there for him and they will be stronger together. I am usually a romantic buff, but this closeness and tenderness takes the cake, and I love things like this. Every time Naruto and Sakura fight a battle, they get a little bit closer to one another. I always love a relationship that is developed over time, rather than one that is thrown together. And for a shounen manga that doesnt focus on romance, this is good enough for me indeed.

*whew*

[Mizura]

I suggest that you deal with that NaruHina fan the Mizura´s way.

Whoot, "The Mizura way."

Honestly, if you have the time, check out:
- my NaruSaku manifesto (pro NaruSaku arguments)
- and my old (but still quite valid) anti-NaruHina essay (if necessary)

[ChibiChan]

I know Sakura knew about it beforehand. But she is the only Naruto confessed it to (even though he realized she already knew, he felt the need to tell her himself). Sorry if I wasn't being clear.

And yeah, I forgot about the reference to Naruto being a junchuuriki at the beginning of the hunt. Both there, and when Kabuto gets more detailed, Hinata's reaction to Naruto's biggest secert isn't shown at all. Not very supportive of NaruHina.

Agreed The way i see it is:
Hinata had a chance...she had a good chance actually, to be developed more by Kishimoto. As a die-hard NaruSaku fan, I'll even admit in the beginning, she had the makings of a good Naru-pairing partner (She was the only one to realize his strength, his pain....blah blah blah)
But----
It didn't develop Kishimoto decided not to jump on this bandwagon. I think if he wanted to make it canon, he would have:

1.) Substituted Sakura's placement on Team 7 w/Hinata (more or less...)
2.) Not had created Naruto's such deep interest in Sakura
3.) Heck, given Hinata more than half an hour of cummulative screentime (not counting fillers)
4.) Gone a lot farther overall with their relationship
5.) Made it so that Naruto actually REALIZED Hinata's realization of his pain

Instead, Kishimoto took an interesting turn, and not only developed Naruto and Sakura's individual strength, but also their relationship with each other. Kishimoto is a really slooooooow foreshadowing old-fashioned DBZ-style plot-dragger, so I think all those little NaruSaku moments aren't something to just brush off...they lead and build onto each other more and more

[ChibiChan]

^
Heck yes, the Mizura way!
Seriously Chidori Mistress, when you meet fans like this, just approach them maturely and explain the truth. Or even better, let them follow their word. They say it will be developed when she has more screentime, let's see if it happens ~
I have met so many angry NaruHina fans that present lots of the same arguements that i've come up with outlined replies to many of them
And i think everyone in this thread pretty much milked out the awesomest arguements possible, so i'll just put a little bit of input:

FIRST POST

Spoiler! --Click here to view--

1.) Naruto and Sakura's bro/sis relationship: Okay i'm gonna have to go with Nick and the others on this one, why would you ask your sister out multiple times, and why would you flirt with your brother...? xD
2.) DBZ: Ah the DBZ arguement. Maybe Chichi wasn't a major character, but her personality seems mighty similar to Sakura's.....also, going with the flow, just coz Kishimoto is a fan of DBZ doesn't mean he's gonna pick it and its plot apart to pieces and fit his own characters into the puzzle. He's ALLOWED to declare his own freedom to create his own anime! :rolleyes:
3.)The "Hinata is different and never liked Sasuke/mistreated Naruto" card: What does Sasuke have to do with this?...and she never mistreated Naruto...okay...but it all comes down to what Naruto wants. He's been fighting for Sakura his whole flipping ninja career now, and it all ties into his determination Naruto's relationship w/Sakura is like his life story, kinda. He gets beat up a lot, but he's still willing to put his heart into it and won't give up that easily. And WHEN has Naruto EVER showed romantic feelings for Hinata? (Note: The Chuunin exams arc was a supportive confidence boost)
4.) ..If Hinata had more screentime!: Mm. She had an appearence, and a chance to shine!....but i don't think they even talked on the mission..did they? xD And going off of what I said earlier, let them follow their words: If they're so sure about NaruHina's development w/more Hina screentime, then let's see what happens when she does get more screentime! x3 Knowing Naruto and the fact that this is a Shonen anime (no sudden "Omg i think i love you's"), dont' think he'll drop Sakura after all those years of chasing her right when she's starting to check him out

SECOND POST

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1.) "Hinata's Special V.2" Hm, same arguement twice :/ I'll just skip
2.) In SAKURA's Case... Okay this arguement is very one dimensional. Just because someone beats up on someone else for doing something wrong doesn't mean they're like brother and sister. Refer this fan to Ken Akamatsu animes/manga's, preferrably Love Hina xD
3.) If NaruHina was canon, Naruto would help Hinata become better! Same with NaruSaku, only with NaruSaku, it would be mutual. They already teach each other a lot, so score one more for NaruSaku! What could Naruto learn from Hinata...? How to twiddle your thumbs and faint? Also, Naruto does give her confidence. Yup. But he could easily do that without being her boytoy as well xD Think of Naruto's feelings, silly! It's called Naruto, not Hinata! x )

**MY FAVORITE** :

4.) "Would it be THAT easy for Sakura to drop Sasuke for Naruto that easily after all they've been through?! Sakura's feelings for Sasuke...!!" I love disproving this arguement. Firstoff, would it be THAT easy for NARUTO to drop SAKURA for HINATA after everything they've been through..? And Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Sakura is allowed to change her romantic interests She's a strong girl, she can put up with the massive "Sakura is a ho!" flames she'll get on Naruto Forums if she decides to officially date Naruto xD Also, about Sakura: I have a feeling that Sasuke prevents her growth, and also that she has come a LOOOOOOONG way since p.1. She is not a squealing little fangirl anymore, and she has finally caught "Naruto-itis" that infects the person into them being good and understanding forever xD realized how much Naruto really had her back all this time

[SakuDotz]

I need to add my two cents.
NaruSaku is the best thing that happened to me since sliced bread. Quite frankly no matter how far and few in between interactions may seem I love those moments and cherish them. They look to each other as equals, respect each other's spaces, and most importantly they help one another when one is down. I dont need to have NaruSaku overly romantic *rare in a Shounen Manga*, but the tender moments, even comedic ones are dear to me

EXACTLY. I agree with all of what you said and completely was thinking that myself (Besides, I wouldn't of wandered onto this site if I didn't support the pairing and met all of these people ). I mean come on... Naruto and Sakura's comic relief can be seriously hilarious! And of course the more romantic side of their interactions are very touching. =D

[Cloud]

I have nothing to say. The NaruHina arguments simply phail because you guys are awesome =D.

[Nate River]

Temari thought Naruto is annoying and TenTen thought he was a jerk, and both said that they were "cute/hot" and it's not mistreatment, but Hinata was the only girl who saw through Naruto's cliche' attitude.

I agree pen...I don't recall either of these either. Additionally, I don't remember her seeing through his bravado at all. The difference with Hinata compared with others was that she didn't hate him. It wasn't seeing through him as much as it was that she didn't hate or wasn't annoyed by what she did see. I can't think of a moment when she saw him deeper than others did. To be honest, I don't think she ever possesses a deeper knowledge or understanding of him than the rest of the rookie nine/gai's team. In fact that's one of the issues, is that there isn't any evidence she does know him that well, at least not the way Sasuke and Sakura do.

Also, in SAKURA'S case it seems like a bro/sis relationship:
Naruto does something annoying, Sakura gets mad easily, and feels like she wants to beat him up, and she nags him of what not to do, sounds like a sister to me.

I don't see this as being any more or less distinctive of a sister than a wife or girlfriend. As much as I hate to make cross-anime comparisons, in the Shounen genre there are plenty of girls that fit a similar mold as Sakura (the short temper, hitting him and so on) that are the love interest. While this doesn't prove she's in love with him or that's she a defacto love interest, it does indicate that such behavior isn't something indicative of a brother-sister relationship. She a type of person who has been the love interest a number of times before so it's not like it would be unusual.

Besides do you think it would be THAT easy for Sakura to forget about Sasuke and go for Naruto just like that, after all she's been through? Naruto may still love her, but Sakura's feelings for Sasuke is interfering for NaruSaku to be canon

The question then is this: Why is Naruto any more likely to change that Sakura after all he's been through with her? Why is it Naruto who must change? And Naruto's for Sakura will interfere from NaruHina being canon. This particular argument bugs me because it seems assumed that Sakura will never change in her feelings while Naruto's must; that somehow hers are more deeply rooted than his when the most dynamic character in the series, the one who has changed the most, is Sakura. Sakura has changed in many ways so her feelings changing isn't really that unexpected. And no, I don't think the change would be easy, but then again go after Naruto doesn't necessarily entail "forgetting" about Sasuke.

Yes Hinata has issues, but Naruto's the reason why she's trying to change that, if NaruHina was canon, it will help her loose that low-confidence.

Not a given. As I discussed with Nick in another thread Lee probably fills this role better than anyone else. Of course, LeeHina has no chance, but NaruHina isn't exactly the perfect couple (no couple truly is) and while he may help her he could just as easy do more damage to her.

Because Naruto is the one she seeks to emulate, she compares herself to him. The potential problem is if she never reaches the point she thinks he's at, she risks always feeling inadequate, that she'll think she doesn't measure up and, thus, end up worse off than before. Naruto is not just a silent confidence, he can easily drown people out especially when they don;'t assert themselves. Naruto would never intentionally stomp all of over some one, but he could easily do so unintentionally, especially with someone who possess a personality as accommodating as Hinata's. Even if she possessed more confidence, I still think she'd still be very much the people pleaser and would do things she hated if it made others happy. As loud and stubborn as Naruto is, I see her having a tendency to let him has his way alot, even when he probably shouldn't.

Second, yeah, but isn't that lack of confidence preventing her from doing anything about it? It's sort of a catch-22. Hinata needs the confidence Naruto provides, but her having the courage to actually confront him to say anything, let alone as an equal (while Naruto sees her as one, I don't think she believes herself to be one), implies that she already possesses the confidence Naruto is supposed to give her. She doesn't have any of that hero worship with respect to Kiba, Shino, and Lee so it's much less of an issues.

Moreover, her being with Naruto before obtaining any real confidence also risks her borrowing from him rather than possessing it herself. Getting with Naruto before obtaining real confidence means she might use him as crutch rather than a source of real motivation. This is true of anyone even Lee, but I think it's even more so for Naruto because she uses him, specifically, to build her confidence. Hinata needs to be strong enough to truly stand on her own and I don't see Naruto being especially effective at giving that because of how she views him.

Finally, there is her family. Naruto has made it clear he doesn't give a crap about their traditions and hierarchy. In some ways, he's the clans worst nightmare. If he didn't like it , he'd stomp all over them without reservation. While I don't think Hinata likes all of them and she would be inclined to change some of them (especially the cursed seal bit, because I doubt she likes Neji having it and there is no way I think she could give it to Hanabi voluntarily) her family and their recognition, IMO, do matter to her. Whether she wants them or not Hinata is likely to have obligations as a Hyuuga, even if she were branch and she isn't the type to just say to hell with them and ignore them.

If she does become clan head, I think she would want some changes but I don't think she'd just run roughshod of them as Naruto likely would. I don't think she could. Her family does matter to her and just leaving and ignoring it all isn't something I think she can do. Might Naruto be accommodating to this an accept this as well of some of the obligations that would go with being attached to the clan head. Yeah, I think he would, but I think Hinata would hate herself for tying him down and putting obligations on him she knows he likely doesn't want any part of. She'd always feel guilty for that.

I'm not saying that their relationship can't work or that it has no chance benefiting her, but I don't think it's obvious it will and there are a lot of potential drawbacks, which means NaruHina being canon could just as easily make her worse off rather than better off. There are many potential problems and I think people like Lee and Neji can give her the same benefits (confidence) with out so many drawbacks.

[Tobi]

I try to respect averyone's ideas, but geez, NaruHina and SasuSaku fans can be REALLY annoying >_< Expecially when they're so obssessed with all their 'Oh-I-am-so-right' theories...

[Chidori Mistress]

Thanks Guys, great replies..however they always have their own....

This is pretty pathetic imo:

TenTen was a whole year ahead of Naruto. How do we know she didn't mistreat Naruto before the manga?

Temari was from a whole other country she didn't have a reason to be mistreat him. The Kyuubi didn't attack Suna, it attacked Konoha. Although that didn\'t stop her from yelling at him..
agree. I would like it very much if Hinata learn that she doesn't always have to depend on Naruto. But not very many people change instantly. It even took three people [a.k.a. Sasuke, Naruto, and Ino] to show Sakura that she has to change.
I doubt that anyone will replace Naruto as a love-interest for Hinata.
MO considering Hinata's lack of apperance in the manga I'd say NaruHina has done pretty good.
He wore a very similar expression to the one he gave Sakura in part two not long after that one, when he was remembering the chuunin exams. Here, let's do a side by side comparison:
[Inserts pic of Naruto saying: "
A Chuunin Exam? Brings back memories (smiles)"
ame small smile, same slightly narrowed eyes, slightly different angle. I wonder what he’s thinking? "The chuunin exams... Back then, I actually saw Hinata fairly often. Those were the days..." Maybe.
in the interruption we learn from Sai that "a true friend helps the other in a moment of need" . Once again, a comedic scene, and this time the detonator to it happens to be Sasuke, not romantic feelings for each other and in fact it also give Kishi a chance of making us laugh at the expense of Naruto's stupidity.
So is Naruto should be paired with Sakura because he likes her and Sakura doesn't like Naruto back.
you think since because Naruto likes Sakura and has since the beginning of the manga he can't change is mind about whom he likes.

If that is the case you forget that Hinata has liked Naruto since her apperance.
And the majority of NaruSaku fans I stumble across are mostly for Naruto's feelings while ignoring any that Sakura still might have.

This is a different person. Its 3v1 at the moment. If they find out you like NaruSaku they are all over you. they told me "We will defeat those NaruSaku fans with our NaruHina-awsomeness"
"To the honor of pure deep love that makes most sense! For NaruHina!"

I lol'd.



That manifesto is amazing and I haven't even finished it yet.

[Power06]

@Chidori Mistress: My goodness, what is wrong with those shippers?

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I could read the manga after the timeskip many times over and it's almost painfully obvious that Sakura has a bit of affection for Naruto when they meet again after 2 and half years. I'm not saying that its OMG true love for Sakura and Naruto, but come on. She even took the unction of mildly flirting with him when she asked him how did she look?

Even the scene with Yamato, Sakura has been slowly coming to terms with her budding feelings for Naruto, and if it werent for Naruto interrupting, Yamato would have basically been confirming that notion *but yet since it was left sort of open, everyone may have their different opinions* But from what I can collect from this is that while she may be able to do little for him, her feelings for him may be the big factor in making a difference.

When she offers to feed Naruto, Sai interrupts, why would he interrupt if it was only a bro/sis interaction? To me this shows that it was purposely cutoff to delay and possibly build up some tension between Naruto and Sakura. It may not be romantic as this is a shounen manga, but as we read along we can see they just keep getting closer to one another.