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[rocci]

  
Good point. I think you're right.
I've never seen Matrix. The only thing I know is that a guy with sunglasses are dodging bullets from an impossible angle.

That's the bullet time scene, kishi implement it in this manga when sasuke wake three tomoe sharingan, sasuke got the precognition view.
I suggest you to watch the matrix trilogy and perhaps Akira the movie, that's kishi big influence for this manga.

[redragon88]

You know, this scene looks really out of place to me. Why is she realizing that NOW?

I agree with your interpretation. Just the scene looks misplaced.

 

I think the only logical answer to this question is that the author simply decided to put an end to pairing war now. So there is no logic to why she realizes it now and not before, it's just that Kishi is now slowly killing SS.

 

From way back in chapter 3 we've known that Sakura has wanted Sasuke's acknowledgment for the longest time, so is it really a surprise that she keeps on wondering were his opinion of her stands in general?

 

Despite Sasuke's darkness we see how he keeps reacting to Naruto, but when it comes to Sakura she's just noise in the background for him.

 

What I don't know is what Kishi will do with Sakura's predicament with Sasuke. Will he make Sasuke acknowledge her in some way before the end, thus granting her wish? Or will he make Sakura realize that she shouldn't let Sasuke's view of her control her that much?

 

By the end of the story I know that Sasuke will acknowledge Sakura, but that's going to be after he becomes good again. I don't think it would be good to resolve Sakura's feelings after the battle. Anything after the battle should be the epilogue of all the plot lines.

 

Let's put it this way, Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto and that his opinion has more value than Sasuke would be the climax of Sakura's love plot. Then after the end battle Sasuke acknowledges Sakura as a great and kind friend, and that would be the epilogue of that love plot.

 

Sakura would be happy that Sasuke finally accepts her, but by that time she would've realized that Naruto's opinion of her is even more valuable.

[咲耶姫]

 

 

From way back in chapter 3 we've known that Sakura has wanted Sasuke's acknowledgment for the longest time, so is it really a surprise that she keeps on wondering were his opinion of her stands in general?

 

Despite Sasuke's darkness we see how he keeps reacting to Naruto, but when it comes to Sakura she's just noise in the background for him.

 

What I don't know is what Kishi will do with Sakura's predicament with Sasuke. Will he make Sasuke acknowledge her in some way before the end, thus granting her wish? Or will he make Sakura realize that she shouldn't let Sasuke's view of her control her that much?

 

By the end of the story I know that Sasuke will acknowledge Sakura, but that's going to be after he becomes good again. I don't think it would be good to resolve Sakura's feelings after the battle. Anything after the battle should be the epilogue of all the plot lines.

 

Let's put it this way, Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto and that his opinion has more value than Sasuke would be the climax of Sakura's love plot. Then after the end battle Sasuke acknowledges Sakura as a great and kind friend, and that would be the epilogue of that love plot.

 

Sakura would be happy that Sasuke finally accepts her, but by that time she would've realized that Naruto's opinion of her is even more valuable.

Yes, but it doesn't explain why she's asking this NOW and not before. 

[Gravenimage]

I think its because Kishi has drag iit for far too long. If he wanted to he could've made NS canon at the start of part 2. But instead Kishi focused on Sakura's feelings for Naruto growing slowly. The first team seven it showed that Sasuke wasn't interested in returning to Konoha because his revenge was above everything, both Naruto and Sakura realised that. Second reunion Sakura realised Sasuke isn't the same one she liked, this one was a revelation to her unlike Naruto. Third reunion she doesn't trust him as seen by 635 and she worries for Naruto's as usual. Finally 676 is the chapter that is making Sakura coming to terms with it, Sasuke will never care for her,or Naruto or team 7. Sasuke will a dark hearted person Kishi is planning that will bring down SS worst than 675.

[Namaenash]

It was a well done chapter, and yet another setup for the next event.
 
Sakura was awesome with her seal. Many have predicted this and it came as no surprise to me as well, but unfortunately she was immediately stabbed with Madara's weapon (which has the ability to stun the victim?). Even then she could still land a powerful punch, although it was blocked by Madara's limbo. As a woman, I don't see Kishi treated his female character badly, in fact, I'm quite thankful that Sakura has something to show (if you've read Dragon Ball or Yu Yu Hakusho, you know how female characters were written). Although as a fan, I don't mind to see a bit more :)
 
I also like her decision to become a decoy to get some opening. I think she understood that Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones who have the chances to defeat Madara. So, her flashback ensured her that she wouldnt hesitate to go forward --even if it means it'll get her hurt. Overall, she made a good tactical choice by activating her seal. At least, if worst comes to worst she could still survive. The fact that she didnt discuss this with Naruto/Sasuke before, made me think that she dont want Naruto/Sasuke to stop her intention. If Naruto knew in advance, would he let her Sakura-chan comes forward alone to become a decoy against the demi-god? I wonder...
 
Regarding Sasuke's action. I think the message from Kishi  is clear: Sasuke wanted to get into Madara, at any cost. Whether Sakura is getting hurt or not, is not of his concern so long as he can get to Madara. It's even confirmed with Sakura's inner thoughts about him not caring for her, not even a question whether she's alright after being stabbed. I'm not sure if he were about to slice Sakura in the process (though it seems like it, but it didnt depicted clearly, so we need to wait for it to be animated), but nonetheless the point is clear: for Sasuke whatever happens to Sakura doesn't matter as long as he can get what he wants. Look at him.. he didnt even have any remorse or concern to her.
 
After 670+ chapters, Sasuke still doesn't care about Sakura, while Naruto always care for Sakura. I think this chapter is meant to emphasize that. Can we take a moment to appreciate how Naruto is all worried for Sakura-chan! and getting the sweat over her safetiness? Naruto's first immediate action was to save Sakura, taking out the weapon and show his concern. What a gentleman he is! Sasuke's first immediate action was to get into Madara (even though it may sacrifice Sakura), even then he didnt bother to ask whether Sakura is alright or not. What a prick! Again, Kishi shows Naruto was very warm and Sasuke was even colder with Sakura.
 
When Sakura thought that Sasuke doesn't care, I was under impression that it was aimed for her rather than Team 7 in general. Nonetheless, it can be interpreted both ways I guess --and it doesnt contradict with each other. If you combine this with what we have last chapter, the message is even clearer: Sasuke is not the one for her. He doesn't care. He's never there when she needs help. He's very disconnected with her. They don't have that chemistry to become couple --it takes two hands to clap. Take a look at how they interact and compare how Naruto/Sakura interact. A specific fandom needs to get this message. Kishi dropped a hint last chapter from Kakashi's perspective, and Kishi even goes further to showcase how Sasuke doesn't care in this chapter.
 

And her "wow" thoughts was not about Sasuke being able to get Susanoo flying. She was astonished with Madara's power, Naruto's bijuu bomb plus Sasuke/Susanoo. It was on a scale that she understood she won't have the chance to counter.

Together with the previous chapter, this reminds me of the bell test in part 1. Sakura is thinking about Sasuke who is far away, instead of Naruto who is always right next to her.
 
 

Hora, anata ni totte, daiji na hito hodo sugu soba ni iru no

Sakura is thinking about Sasuke who is far away, instead of Naruto who is right next to her. This is true literally and figuratively. I believe Kishi reintroduces this situation to be addressed later on.

 

 
Put it this way, Sakura's character is about progression. She's progressed from hating Naruto into the only one who share his dream and would do anything for him. She's progressed from a crybaby kunoichi to become one of the strongest kunoichi in her generation. And many more. Only one thing that's left and it is her view about love, for her to understand it consciously. I think deep down she loves Naruto, unconsciously. It is proven in all of her actions towards him as the manga progresses. And this chapter, together with past chapters indicated that she has moved on. Small victories like this will lead somewhere. Again and again we're being told how Naruto is always there for her. I begin to think that the romance subplot will be resolved sooner than later :)

 

If I understand correctly, Naruto is still on the ground next to Sakura and Kakashi. He need to jump very high to get to Madara, or other alternative is to fly. To jump very high, toad summon is required and it's not possible at the moment since their time has run out when Naruto fought Obito. To fly, he would need someone like Gaara or Sai, or if I want to make a wild guess, I'd like to see Sakura do a 'projectile' move for Naruto to jump very high (much like Final Fantasy: Advent Children where Cloud get a very high jump to slice Bahamut, if you will). That'd be great...

 

Let's wait and see...

[narusaku256]

It was a well done chapter, and yet another setup for the next event.
 
Sakura was awesome with her seal. Many have predicted this and it came as no surprise to me as well, but unfortunately she was immediately stabbed with Madara's weapon (which has the ability to stun the victim?). Even then she could still land a powerful punch, although it was blocked by Madara's limbo. As a woman, I don't see Kishi treated his female character badly, in fact, I'm quite thankful that Sakura has something to show (if you've read Dragon Ball or Yu Yu Hakusho, you know how female characters were written). Although as a fan, I don't mind to see a bit more :)
 
I also like her decision to become a decoy to get some opening. I think she understood that Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones who have the chances to defeat Madara. So, her flashback ensured her that she wouldnt hesitate to go forward --even if it means it'll get her hurt. Overall, she made a good tactical choice by activating her seal. At least, if worst comes to worst she could still survive. The fact that she didnt discuss this with Naruto/Sasuke before, made me think that she dont want Naruto/Sasuke to stop her intention. If Naruto knew in advance, would he let her Sakura-chan comes forward alone to become a decoy against the demi-god? I wonder...
 
Regarding Sasuke's action. I think the message from Kishi  is clear: Sasuke wanted to get into Madara, at any cost. Whether Sakura is getting hurt or not, is not of his concern so long as he can get to Madara. It's even confirmed with Sakura's inner thoughts about him not caring for her, not even a question whether she's alright after being stabbed. I'm not sure if he were about to slice Sakura in the process (though it seems like it, but it didnt depicted clearly, so we need to wait for it to be animated), but nonetheless the point is clear: for Sasuke whatever happens to Sakura doesn't matter as long as he can get what he wants. Look at him.. he didnt even have any remorse or concern to her.
 
After 670+ chapters, Sasuke still doesn't care about Sakura, while Naruto always care for Sakura. I think this chapter is meant to emphasize that. Can we take a moment to appreciate how Naruto is all worried for Sakura-chan! and getting the sweat over her safetiness? Naruto's first immediate action was to save Sakura, taking out the weapon and show his concern. What a gentleman he is! Sasuke's first immediate action was to get into Madara (even though it may sacrifice Sakura), even then he didnt bother to ask whether Sakura is alright or not. What a prick! Again, Kishi shows Naruto was very warm and Sasuke was even colder with Sakura.
 
When Sakura thought that Sasuke doesn't care, I was under impression that it was aimed for her rather than Team 7 in general. Nonetheless, it can be interpreted both ways I guess --and it doesnt contradict with each other. If you combine this with what we have last chapter, the message is even clearer: Sasuke is not the one for her. He doesn't care. He's never there when she needs help. He's very disconnected with her. They don't have that chemistry to become couple --it takes two hands to clap. Take a look at how they interact and compare how Naruto/Sakura interact. A specific fandom needs to get this message. Kishi dropped a hint last chapter from Kakashi's perspective, and Kishi even goes further to showcase how Sasuke doesn't care in this chapter.
 
And her "wow" thoughts was not about Sasuke being able to get Susanoo flying. She was astonished with Madara's power, Naruto's bijuu bomb plus Sasuke/Susanoo. It was on a scale that she understood she won't have the chance to counter.
Together with the previous chapter, this reminds me of the bell test in part 1. Sakura is thinking about Sasuke who is far away, instead of Naruto who is always right next to her.
 
 

Hora, anata ni totte, daiji na hito hodo sugu soba ni iru no

Sakura is thinking about Sasuke who is far away, instead of Naruto who is right next to her. This is true literally and figuratively. I believe Kishi reintroduces this situation to be addressed later on.
 

 
Put it this way, Sakura's character is about progression. She's progressed from hating Naruto into the only one who share his dream and would do anything for him. She's progressed from a crybaby kunoichi to become one of the strongest kunoichi in her generation. And many more. Only one thing that's left and it is her view about love, for her to understand it consciously. I think deep down she loves Naruto, unconsciously. It is proven in all of her actions towards him as the manga progresses. And this chapter, together with past chapters indicated that she has moved on. Small victories like this will lead somewhere. Again and again we're being told how Naruto is always there for her. I begin to think that the romance subplot will be resolved sooner than later :)
 
If I understand correctly, Naruto is still on the ground next to Sakura and Kakashi. He need to jump very high to get to Madara, or other alternative is to fly. To jump very high, toad summon is required and it's not possible at the moment since their time has run out when Naruto fought Obito. To fly, he would need someone like Gaara or Sai, or if I want to make a wild guess, I'd like to see Sakura do a 'projectile' move for Naruto to jump very high (much like Final Fantasy: Advent Children where Cloud get a very high jump to slice Bahamut, if you will). That'd be great...
 
Let's wait and see...

A great post . Agree with everything you have stated. About that bell test part though, it was still the same scenario, slightly. I wonder how Kishi will portray them overcoming their flaws which Kakashi stated in part 1. About Naruto reaching Madara high up, well Naruto has the power of all the tailed beasts now and one of them is Lucky Seven Chomei who can fly. So that can be one of the solutions to the 'How will Naruto reach Madara in the air?' question. Although I'd be glad if Sakura gets to do something totally badass like supporting Naruto the way you said, or her getting a revelation about the first bell test on how she kept thinking of Sasuke who was far away instead of Naruto who was right beside her and her now thinking to herself that she'd no more do this and will help Naruto who is still beside her.

[Otaru]

You know, this scene looks really out of place to me. Why is she realizing that NOW?

I agree with your interpretation. Just the scene looks misplaced.

 

I think it's appearing weird to fans because we realised her feelings for Naruto for a long long time.

Yamato's sentence to Sakura... it's very far far away in the past.

 

But if Kishi respect his timeline a little, then in Sakura's world, it's not so long.

Moreover, she couldn't really evolve about Sasuke without even interacting with him.

She barely see him in reality.

 

Sasuke left after she confessed.

 

She never saw him back until the beginning of part two, and then, he just tried to kill Naruto and he barely talked to them.

 

Then she learnt by other people that he was doing a lot of bad things all around. She didn't want to accept this.

Put yourself in her place. I mean, really. Put yourself in her place.

Sasuke was her FIRST LOVE. She were a kid. She idealised him a lot.

Her and Naruto never accepted he was a bad guy. Never.

This is very recent for Sakura that Sasuke is bad.

 

He tried to kill her but he was torn at that time, almost ill.

I think Naruto and Sakura still can't accept that the Sasuke they know is a bad guy.

 

And it's KISHIMOTO's POINT FROM THE START.

 

NARUTO AND SAKURA WILL NEVER REJECT SASUKE. This is the message. Peace. Never abandon your friend, even if they are doing bad things.

 

Even if it's a shônen manga, to me the theme is very very wise. Even if it seems unrealistic, we should begin with ourselves and not be mean people. That's the message I think Kishi is sending. We should never let a friend down, moreover if this friend is on the bad path.

This theme is often present in other mangas.

 

So, back to Sakura, if you look into this manga carefully, you'll see she barely interact with Sasuke. That's why her feelings are evolving so slowly. I think it's also possible that Kishimoto didn't had time to make it evolve because it must be hard to write about every character, and it's his first manga, so maybe he has made some mistakes from inexperience.

 

BUT it seems to me that he wants to wrap all up and close every case he has open.

In he last chapters, it's obvious he's making Sakura's feelings evolving.

 

It feels like it's late to us, because some of us wanted it to happen sooner, and because the time is not the same for us than for Naruto's world.

 

To conclude, I think Kishimoto is not doing so bad for his first manga and whatever the translation is (about Sakura's thoughts) it's clear to me it will be NaruSaku at the end.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I think it's appearing weird to fans because we realised her feelings for Naruto for a long long time.

Yamato's sentence to Sakura... it's very far far away in the past.

 

But if Kishi respect his timeline a little, then in Sakura's world, it's not so long.

Moreover, she couldn't really evolve about Sasuke without even interacting with him.

She barely see him in reality.

 

Sasuke left after she confessed.

 

She never saw him back until the beginning of part two, and then, he just tried to kill Naruto and he barely talked to them.

 

Then she learnt by other people that he was doing a lot of bad things all around. She didn't want to accept this.

Put yourself in her place. I mean, really. Put yourself in her place.

Sasuke was her FIRST LOVE. She were a kid. She idealised him a lot.

Her and Naruto never accepted he was a bad guy. Never.

This is very recent for Sakura that Sasuke is bad.

 

He tried to kill her but he was torn at that time, almost ill.

I think Naruto and Sakura still can't accept that the Sasuke they know is a bad guy.

 

And it's KISHIMOTO's POINT FROM THE START.

 

NARUTO AND SAKURA WILL NEVER REJECT SASUKE. This is the message. Peace. Never abandon your friend, even if they are doing bad things.

 

Even if it's a shônen manga, to me the theme is very very wise. Even if it seems unrealistic, we should begin with ourselves and not be mean people. That's the message I think Kishi is sending. We should never let a friend down, moreover if this friend is on the bad path.

This theme is often present in other mangas.

 

So, back to Sakura, if you look into this manga carefully, you'll see she barely interact with Sasuke. That's why her feelings are evolving so slowly. I think it's also possible that Kishimoto didn't had time to make it evolve because it must be hard to write about every character, and it's his first manga, so maybe he has made some mistakes from inexperience.

 

BUT it seems to me that he wants to wrap all up and close every case he has open.

In he last chapters, it's obvious he's making Sakura's feelings evolving.

 

It feels like it's late to us, because some of us wanted it to happen sooner, and because the time is not the same for us than for Naruto's world.

 

To conclude, I think Kishimoto is not doing so bad for his first manga and whatever the translation is (about Sakura's thoughts) it's clear to me it will be NaruSaku at the end.

The only problem with this route is that is ridiculous.

Naruto will save Sasuke with his friendship power late in the series and he wont be a bad guy anymore and he will care about his comrades.

So what's the point of making Sakura fell in love out of Sasuke because he's bad? if he's certainly going to become good in the end?

 

It feels like when Sasuke becomes good Sakura wont have reason to dislike him anymore which is what SS fans believe and it's the scenario they're looking for.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 May 2014 - 02:24 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

That's the bullet time scene, kishi implement it in this manga when sasuke wake three tomoe sharingan, sasuke got the precognition view.
I suggest you to watch the matrix trilogy and perhaps Akira the movie, that's kishi big influence for this manga.

Akira? Is that a Japanese movie?

I wonder if Kishi watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2. The hero and the heroine reminded me of Naruto and Sakura. My friend said the same thing too.
  

From way back in chapter 3 we've known that Sakura has wanted Sasuke's acknowledgment for the longest time, so is it really a surprise that she keeps on wondering were his opinion of her stands in general?
 
Despite Sasuke's darkness we see how he keeps reacting to Naruto, but when it comes to Sakura she's just noise in the background for him.
 
What I don't know is what Kishi will do with Sakura's predicament with Sasuke. Will he make Sasuke acknowledge her in some way before the end, thus granting her wish? Or will he make Sakura realize that she shouldn't let Sasuke's view of her control her that much?
 
By the end of the story I know that Sasuke will acknowledge Sakura, but that's going to be after he becomes good again. I don't think it would be good to resolve Sakura's feelings after the battle. Anything after the battle should be the epilogue of all the plot lines.
 
Let's put it this way, Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto and that his opinion has more value than Sasuke would be the climax of Sakura's love plot. Then after the end battle Sasuke acknowledges Sakura as a great and kind friend, and that would be the epilogue of that love plot.
 
Sakura would be happy that Sasuke finally accepts her, but by that time she would've realized that Naruto's opinion of her is even more valuable.

I like your post and I agree. My only problem is why Kishi is showing repeatedly of Sakura's realizations towards Sasuke at this timing.
 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 18 May 2014 - 03:03 PM.

[rocci]

@darkrest
Sasuke become good = he love sakura, that's what ss hope for.

@ramen
Akira is a seinen manga, the movie said to have revolutionized the anime quality.
And yes he watch amazing spidar man 2, but I think NS more like Sam raimi version. Jenskot know it better than me.

Edited by rocci, 18 May 2014 - 03:09 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think I will write a LAP concerning the setup. It's...something that needs an answer. I am assuming that Kishi is setting up a moral ending (not necessarily at the very end) for this whole road of Sakura's feelings downfall for Sasuke. If there's another arc after this, that would mean this will get resolved before the grand finale. Again, if we get another arc that is.

[Chatte]

Kishi said that through his manga he wants the newer generation to know that life is not easy but if we came to an understanding, everything will be okay or something along the lines.

And in the manga he does this by the Ninshuu concept with the symbol on both Naruto and Sakura's clothes, if you observed.

[ramenanmitsu]

@darkrest
Sasuke become good = he love sakura, that's what ss hope for.
@ramen
Akira is a seinen manga, the movie said to have revolutionized the anime quality.
And yes he watch amazing spidar man 2, but I think NS more like Sam raimi version. Jenskot know it better than me.

Wow, you know a lot more manga than me. The only manga I read are the ones written by Urasawa Naoki, Cesare Borgia, Railgun, Vagabond, and HunterxHunter. I don't know what this Sam raimi is though.

I hope Kishi watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2 doesn't result in him adding more rescue scenes for Sakura. Even the rescue scenes reminded me and my friend of Naruto and Sakura.

[rocci]

@ns4life
Do you think this will be the last arc of this manga? There's a possibility that kishi will follow shaman king ending when the author skip the final fight between Hao vs yoh and co. And I will hate it.

[narusaku256]

I think I will write a LAP concerning the setup. It's...something that needs an answer. I am assuming that Kishi is setting up a moral ending (not necessarily at the very end) for this whole road of Sakura's feelings downfall for Sasuke. If there's another arc after this, that would mean this will get resolved before the grand finale. Again, if we get another arc that is.

Can you please tell me what is a LAP?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Do you think this will be the last arc of this manga? There's a possibility that kishi will follow shaman king ending when the author skip the final fight between Hao vs yoh and co. And I will hate it.

Hard to say for now, but as of now, depending on how badly these guys get hurt, we will know.

 

Oh yeah, that. Nah. It won't happen to Naruto. I'm sure Kishi is doing VotE 2.0 with a different conclusion. I don't see why not.

 

Can you please tell me what is a LAP?

Long ass post. Self explanatory.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, you know a lot more manga than me. The only manga I read are the ones written by Urasawa Naoki, Cesare Borgia, Railgun, Vagabond, and HunterxHunter. I don't know what this Sam raimi is though.

I hope Kishi watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2 doesn't result in him adding more rescue scenes for Sakura. Even the rescue scenes reminded me and my friend of Naruto and Sakura.

Sam Raimi is the old director of the Spider-Man trilogy. He's good.

 

I didn't see the latest movie, but let's just say I would know he's influenced if Sakura spits out blood when she got stabbed.

[narusaku256]

Hard to say for now, but as of now, depending on how badly these guys get hurt, we will know.
 
Oh yeah, that. Nah. It won't happen to Naruto. I'm sure Kishi is doing VotE 2.0 with a different conclusion. I don't see why not.
 
Long ass post. Self explanatory.

Oh alright XD. Thanks btw XD

[ramenanmitsu]

I didn't see the latest movie, but let's just say I would know he's influenced if Sakura spits out blood when she got stabbed.

What gives you that conclusion?

[TouKen4Life3g]

What gives you that conclusion?

If you plan to watch the movie or care about it, I will stop here.