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[kidNinja]

More response she said to me about NaruSaku vs. NaruHina and SasuSaku

Me: Hinata only cares about Naruto. She's his only goal.





























Anyone else want to stab at this?

Such a horribly weak argument. No thank you.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I just wanted to hear what you guys want to say. I haven't replied yet but I would like to see what you guys think and if it's the same as me .

[Rocket]

Sakura can be very happy with Sasuke if he'll be redeemed. Fighting next to him always made her happy when they were still together on Team 7.

Naruto can be very happy with Sasuke if he'll be redeemed. Fighting next to him always made him happy when they were still together on Team 7.

See what I did there? I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to only Sakura.

[Derock]

I'm sorry but those arguments are just plain confusing. The way the person typed sounds like the whole tone was "SasuSaku/NaruHina is ALIVE and visible while NaruSaku is dead." That pairing judgement just clouded my focus so badly that it brought in a fake smokescreen surrounding the area... where's a vacuum when we need it?

And LOL she's saying "I haven't seen Kushina punched Minato" during her "NaruSaku is pure fantasy comparing to MinaKush" argument. Oh do tell..

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I'm sorry but those arguments are just plain confusing. The way the person typed sounds like the whole tone was "SasuSaku/NaruHina is ALIVE and visible while NaruSaku is dead." That pairing judgement just clouded my focus so badly that it brought in a fake smokescreen surrounding the area... where's a vacuum when we need it?

And LOL she's saying "I haven't seen Kushina punched Minato" during her "NaruSaku is pure fantasy comparing to MinaKush" argument. Oh do tell..

I'm just at what you guys are saying. I know those arguments aren't good at all but I thought for sure you guys would destroy all those anti-NS points. I know you have the answers(honestly I do too) but I never guessed you wouldn't even waste your time on it. Those really are ridicuouls points that person made though. She does think NS is dead and that NH/SS will happen for sure .

[Jake]

I'm just at what you guys are saying. I know those arguments aren't good at all but I thought for sure you guys would destroy all those anti-NS points. I know you have the answers(honestly I do too) but I never guessed you wouldn't even waste your time on it. Those really are ridicuouls points that person made though. She does think NS is dead and that NH/SS will happen for sure .

This person remindes me of another person that for lack of a better word I will call a Ignoramus who sears up and down that Naruto said "I could really like someone like you" to Hinata before his fight with Neji, even when givin' proof that Naruto didn't say that this Ignoramus said "Well that's how he ment it".

(I hope this isn't considered bashing because if it is tell me and I will delete this post.)

[Don-kun]

Sasuke will be the last.

and for the billionth time Sasuke is not planning to be with any girl 'clan revival/restore' he spoke of in the beginning of the manga was never about reproducing or finding a girl. As if his aversion to most anything with b**bs and him not too long ago explicitly stated how he intends to do so.

isn't telling enough after he try to kill the girls and made this statemente.

[AzureWaters]

I'm just at what you guys are saying. I know those arguments aren't good at all but I thought for sure you guys would destroy all those anti-NS points. I know you have the answers(honestly I do too) but I never guessed you wouldn't even waste your time on it. Those really are ridicuouls points that person made though. She does think NS is dead and that NH/SS will happen for sure .

Whoever that person is, he or she obviously caters to NaruHina and SasuSaku just like we prefer NaruSaku. I don't really see a reason for laughing at her because she thinks differently. Especially if she hasn't insulted you personally, I don't really see why you would post those replies in order to just mock or laugh at them. '^^ Since it seems that you cannot debate fully with that person, and actually need help holding your own with seeing others interpretations, than its rather silly to laugh at her arguments in which you can't rebut.


I wish we could cool down on the insults toward the other fandoms. If we all believe in NS, then there's little reason to desperately defend the pairing in this way, as well as antagonize the others. To me that just shows insecurity on our part.

Edited by AzureWaters, 21 May 2012 - 11:39 AM.

[Don-kun]

Agree with AzureWaters, we are NS fans so we say many things that favors our pairing.


Now this was ignore before no one notice it so I will post it again.

This is the best way I ever seen someone defend Sakura feelings for Naruto and her confession .


NAruHina
Nuetral fan She says that she's not a fan of Sakura. Her favorite characters are Kushina, Shikamaru, Naruto and Itachi.



I like how Hannah acts as if Sakuras confession to Naruto wasn't a selfish move but rather a move for Naruto Right after Sakura went to kill Sasuke,Sai told the reasons why Sakura went to kill Sasuke.The reason was:Because she loves him too much that she can't see him suffer anymore(If you don't rembember here read the chapters again )it is also mentioned that she wanted to do it because of the promise but the main reason was because she couldn't see the man she loves sink deeper in the hole.

So you think I should read the manga?

Spoiler:

confession --Click here to view--

"I've come here because I want you to come back to the village with me! That's all!"

If it was all about Sasuke and she only thought about him, why did she try
this first?
To go back to to Konoha with Naruto?

Here is what Sai explains:
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

"She thought she'd lessen your burden.."

This was a real offer.
Then Sai says:

"But you still wanted to save Sasuke.."
Spoiler:

Confeesion --Click here to view--

Yamato:

"..that means she never meant to tell him in the first place.."

This shows she was there with only one thing in mind, to offer Naruto a relationship and drag him away from Sasuke as much as possible, while Konoha deals with him.
That also clearly shows she first thought about Naruto before Sasuke and that her "selfish deed" wasn't her plan, but desperation.

She wanted to lessen Naruto's burden one way or another. One was to love him, the other to kill Sasuke herself. Either way, Naruto getting trough this shielded from everything, was the plan.

Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Now here Sai explains she wants to kill him because she loves him. But, as obvious from the panels above, she was going to lead Naruto away, not deal with Sasuke. So why did she change her mind? (you know Sai kept talking)

Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

"...and she also knows that might make you hate her. That's her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden."

Her love for Sasuke was a reason to "save" him from darkness by having him die. I never denied this.
But her love for Naruto was the reason she wanted to do it herself. So Naruto would hate her, not rest of rookie 9 or Kakashi. So Naruto would blame her.
When Sai says "making up", that isn't coming from a business obligation towards Naruto that is just her own, but her love for him. She cares about Naruto so much that she wants to rid him of the burden. It's her love for Naruto that is causing her to want to make this up to him. Sasuke is only a partial drive and it seems as if even secondary.



Quote:
Let's assume she did it just( or )mostly for Naruto.How the hell was she so sure that she would albe to kill Uchiha Sasuke (the name sounds already sounds scary)? She wasn't If she was, this would have made her situation even worse,because it would made her the most stupid ninja.Since Sakura is meant to have a sharp mind,the chances aren't very high that she was sure that she could kill Uchiha Sasuke with her lame skills .

Now you are claiming something you can't possibly back up by manga pages. How would you know Sakura didn't think she had a shot in killing Sasuke? She was going to use deception, not fight him head on. You are moving on with this presumption to, as I mentioned earlier, sway the biased conclusion where you want it.

Quote:
So Sakura who knew that Naruto loves her put herself in such a danger and did this because of Naruto.Doesn't make sense to me if I'm being honest.

Why not? Itachi who loved Sasuke killed his entire family and made Sasuke hate him.
So why does Sakura killing Sasuke and making Naruto hate her, not make sense to you?
Itachi made Sasuke become stronger.
Sakura would have made Naruto blame her, hate her and heal. It wasn't Naruto's failure, she did it. She would have taken his burden.
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Sakura:

"I can't let you bare this burden Kakashi-sensei!!"

Quote:
Oh I know why it doesn't make any sense,it's because if Sasuke had really killed her (which wasn't unlikley at all )she would have made Naruto sad (actully this would have f**cked everything up) rather than happy

Yes Naruto would have been sad. One sad alive hokage...

Quote:
But hey let's assume Kishi forgot Sakuras character and made her stupid as kitten and Sakura really went to kill Sasuke with the confirmation that she could kill Sasuke for her friend Naruto,then why the hell didn't she kill him ? Now I rembember,she thought at Naru- wait the flashback were just about her and Sasuke and she ''actually'' went there because of Naruto.This doesn't make sense because if it was mostly for Naruto she would have killed him regardless of the past.

Sakura has a WEAK WILL.
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Confession --Click here to view--

I mentioned it's her indecisiveness and a weaker character I dislike. The reason she couldn't do it was because she let her emotions for Sasuke get the best of her, when it mattered the most. That doesn't mean she did all of it for Sasuke, it doesn't mean she doesn't care about Naruto. Her hart and mind were with Naruto, but she was too weak to do it. Her love for Sasuke, took the front seat here, of course. But that doesn't make her motives ANY different, or her love for Naruto go away.
Quote:
Sakura going for killing Sasuke made her selfish and showed how much she is blinded by her love for him.

She is not blinded by her love for him. She is weakened by it.
If anything blinded her view of Sasuke it was this:
Naruto gives her hope, he wants to shoulder Sasuke's hatred, he wants to save him.
People who see things good, want the criminals killed, not retrieved and murdering their friends.

What's your take on this.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sasuke will be the last.

and for the billionth time Sasuke is not planning to be with any girl 'clan revival/restore' he spoke of in the beginning of the manga was never about reproducing or finding a girl. As if his aversion to most anything with b**bs and him not too long ago explicitly stated how he intends to do so.
isn't telling enough after he try to kill the girls and made this statemente.

well it's a shounen not shojo, he is talking about erase the memory of the uchiha's from konoha by killing them but it shows that his objectives are not clear because he talk and thinks with hatred , and he does not have knowledge about the consequences of his actions

[CloudMountainJuror]

Whoever that person is, he or she obviously caters to NaruHina and SasuSaku just like we prefer NaruSaku. I don't really see a reason for laughing at her because she thinks differently. Especially if she hasn't insulted you personally, I don't really see why you would post those replies in order to just mock or laugh at them. '^^ Since it seems that you cannot debate fully with that person, and actually need help holding your own with seeing others interpretations, than its rather silly to laugh at her arguments in which you can't rebut.


I wish we could cool down on the insults toward the other fandoms. If we all believe in NS, then there's little reason to desperately defend the pairing in this way, as well as antagonize the others. To me that just shows insecurity on our part.

We can easily rebut them and hold our own against them. We just don't want to waste our time pointing out the absolute obvious for the thousandth time.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 21 May 2012 - 05:33 PM.

[kidNinja]

We can easily rebut them and hold our own against them. We just don't want to waste our time pointing out the absolute obvious for the thousandth time.

This^


We need some NH and SS on H&E.

[redragon88]

Agree with AzureWaters, we are NS fans so we say many things that favors our pairing.


Now this was ignore before no one notice it so I will post it again.

This is the best way I ever seen someone defend Sakura feelings for Naruto and her confession .


What's your take on this.

I cut the majority of the post since it was pretty long.

That was a pretty good analysis of Sakura's confession, unfortunately I think the average reader doesn't give it that much in-depth thought as to what were Sakura's true intentions, which is why some people dislike her or simply think she can only love Sasuke on matter what regardless of them supporting NaruSaku or SasuSaku. The information you posted, if accurate, I'm sure should appear in the next databook so that the fans have a better understanding of Sakura's motivations. On the other hand Kishimoto might disclose Sakura's thought the next time she can calmly talk with Naruto but as of now it won't happen since we're still in the middle of important battles.

[kirabook]

Everyone has probably already seen this deviation, but it just showed up in my dA inbox again and perfectly explains why people relate Sakura to Kushina so often. I was reminded of some debating that went on here earlier about Kushina not talking about personality, but the type of love they give.
-But really, Kushina's love is motherly love anyway. Unless Hinata loves Naruto in a motherly way, that does nothing for their team-

Something I noticed when that "Find someone like me" panel first came about, many fans claimed Hinata was more like Kushina because they have long hair. But... that's where the similarities end.

Sakura on the other hand, is very very similar to Kushina and I don't understand how many fans can just outright deny and similarities the 2 share.

http://actionkiddy.d...mfort-284540302

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

i think sakura already choose naruto, when she was thinking about him and what him was become, and when that lover nin said "he must be a great guy" i think after all this she started thinking on naruto in 573

[Gravenimage]

Agree with AzureWaters, we are NS fans so we say many things that favors our pairing.


Now this was ignore before no one notice it so I will post it again.

This is the best way I ever seen someone defend Sakura feelings for Naruto and her confession .


NAruHina
Nuetral fan She says that she's not a fan of Sakura. Her favorite characters are Kushina, Shikamaru, Naruto and Itachi.



I like how Hannah acts as if Sakuras confession to Naruto wasn't a selfish move but rather a move for Naruto Right after Sakura went to kill Sasuke,Sai told the reasons why Sakura went to kill Sasuke.The reason was:Because she loves him too much that she can't see him suffer anymore(If you don't rembember here read the chapters again )it is also mentioned that she wanted to do it because of the promise but the main reason was because she couldn't see the man she loves sink deeper in the hole.

So you think I should read the manga?

Spoiler:

confession --Click here to view--

"I've come here because I want you to come back to the village with me! That's all!"

If it was all about Sasuke and she only thought about him, why did she try
this first?
To go back to to Konoha with Naruto?

Here is what Sai explains:
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

"She thought she'd lessen your burden.."

This was a real offer.
Then Sai says:

"But you still wanted to save Sasuke.."
Spoiler:

Confeesion --Click here to view--

Yamato:

"..that means she never meant to tell him in the first place.."

This shows she was there with only one thing in mind, to offer Naruto a relationship and drag him away from Sasuke as much as possible, while Konoha deals with him.
That also clearly shows she first thought about Naruto before Sasuke and that her "selfish deed" wasn't her plan, but desperation.

She wanted to lessen Naruto's burden one way or another. One was to love him, the other to kill Sasuke herself. Either way, Naruto getting trough this shielded from everything, was the plan.

Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Now here Sai explains she wants to kill him because she loves him. But, as obvious from the panels above, she was going to lead Naruto away, not deal with Sasuke. So why did she change her mind? (you know Sai kept talking)

Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

"...and she also knows that might make you hate her. That's her way of making up for trying to saddle you with a lifelong burden."

Her love for Sasuke was a reason to "save" him from darkness by having him die. I never denied this.
But her love for Naruto was the reason she wanted to do it herself. So Naruto would hate her, not rest of rookie 9 or Kakashi. So Naruto would blame her.
When Sai says "making up", that isn't coming from a business obligation towards Naruto that is just her own, but her love for him. She cares about Naruto so much that she wants to rid him of the burden. It's her love for Naruto that is causing her to want to make this up to him. Sasuke is only a partial drive and it seems as if even secondary.



Quote:
Let's assume she did it just( or )mostly for Naruto.How the hell was she so sure that she would albe to kill Uchiha Sasuke (the name sounds already sounds scary)? She wasn't If she was, this would have made her situation even worse,because it would made her the most stupid ninja.Since Sakura is meant to have a sharp mind,the chances aren't very high that she was sure that she could kill Uchiha Sasuke with her lame skills .

Now you are claiming something you can't possibly back up by manga pages. How would you know Sakura didn't think she had a shot in killing Sasuke? She was going to use deception, not fight him head on. You are moving on with this presumption to, as I mentioned earlier, sway the biased conclusion where you want it.

Quote:
So Sakura who knew that Naruto loves her put herself in such a danger and did this because of Naruto.Doesn't make sense to me if I'm being honest.

Why not? Itachi who loved Sasuke killed his entire family and made Sasuke hate him.
So why does Sakura killing Sasuke and making Naruto hate her, not make sense to you?
Itachi made Sasuke become stronger.
Sakura would have made Naruto blame her, hate her and heal. It wasn't Naruto's failure, she did it. She would have taken his burden.
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Sakura:

"I can't let you bare this burden Kakashi-sensei!!"

Quote:
Oh I know why it doesn't make any sense,it's because if Sasuke had really killed her (which wasn't unlikley at all )she would have made Naruto sad (actully this would have f**cked everything up) rather than happy

Yes Naruto would have been sad. One sad alive hokage...

Quote:
But hey let's assume Kishi forgot Sakuras character and made her stupid as kitten and Sakura really went to kill Sasuke with the confirmation that she could kill Sasuke for her friend Naruto,then why the hell didn't she kill him ? Now I rembember,she thought at Naru- wait the flashback were just about her and Sasuke and she ''actually'' went there because of Naruto.This doesn't make sense because if it was mostly for Naruto she would have killed him regardless of the past.

Sakura has a WEAK WILL.
Spoiler:

Confession --Click here to view--

Confession --Click here to view--

I mentioned it's her indecisiveness and a weaker character I dislike. The reason she couldn't do it was because she let her emotions for Sasuke get the best of her, when it mattered the most. That doesn't mean she did all of it for Sasuke, it doesn't mean she doesn't care about Naruto. Her hart and mind were with Naruto, but she was too weak to do it. Her love for Sasuke, took the front seat here, of course. But that doesn't make her motives ANY different, or her love for Naruto go away.
Quote:
Sakura going for killing Sasuke made her selfish and showed how much she is blinded by her love for him.

She is not blinded by her love for him. She is weakened by it.
If anything blinded her view of Sasuke it was this:
Naruto gives her hope, he wants to shoulder Sasuke's hatred, he wants to save him.
People who see things good, want the criminals killed, not retrieved and murdering their friends.

What's your take on this.

THIS! and yet opposite fandoms have the guts to say Sakura was lying in her confession to Naruto. Does it mention in those panels Sai telling Naruto that she was lying, that she didn't love him but only Sasuke?

Edited by Gravenimage, 21 May 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://actionkiddy.d...mfort-284540302

[Don-kun]

Everyone has probably already seen this deviation, but it just showed up in my dA inbox again and perfectly explains why people relate Sakura to Kushina so often. I was reminded of some debating that went on here earlier about Kushina not talking about personality, but the type of love they give.
-But really, Kushina's love is motherly love anyway. Unless Hinata loves Naruto in a motherly way, that does nothing for their team-

Something I noticed when that "Find someone like me" panel first came about, many fans claimed Hinata was more like Kushina because they have long hair. But... that's where the similarities end.

Sakura on the other hand, is very very similar to Kushina and I don't understand how many fans can just outright deny and similarities the 2 share.

Too much space. --Click here to view--

http://actionkiddy.d...mfort-284540302

Because it contradicts the pairing they support, NH & SS Write off things like.

The bench scene.
Sakura blushing and asking herself, Is this Naruto?
Naruto risking his life to save Sakura against Gaara.
The poal.
Yamato speech.
The feeding scene.
Sakura been jealous because she feels Hinata likes Naruto.
They hug scene.
The confession, they refuses to accept that Sakura may have romantic feelings for Naruto.
Hinata saving Naruto life( the manga most end NH), but Naruto saves Sakura's life from Sasuke in non factor.
Sakura screams Naruto. When Sasuke and Naruto was about to kill each other.
Kushina's: find a girl like me.
Naruto never thinks about Hinata in a romantic light.
Naruto was able to sense all his friends minus Hinata when he escaped the training.
The fact that Sasuke doesn't like Sakura and he try to kill her.
Sakura thinking negatively about Sasuke for the 1st time.
And most importantly the right of the fact that Naruto loves Sakura.

And I can still go on, the fact that NH & SS needs to disregard so many things from the manga is impressive, and still have the nerve to say NS fans are in denial. At lease we don't need to change the manga to fit our liking.

Edited by donjoseph19, 21 May 2012 - 09:54 PM.

[kirabook]

Wait... what jealousy? I haven't seen that at all unless I missed it.

I don't think Sakura could be jealous of Hinata for the simple fact that she is around Naruto all the time, while Hinata is not. Even if Hinata likes him, the chances of Naruto liking her are slim to none. That's my opinion anyway.

[redragon88]

Something about this page catches my attention.

Confession --Click here to view--

Sai clearly says in the bottom "She thought she'd lessen your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love for you"

With the way Sai presents that particular sentence he makes it a statement that Sakura loving Naruto is a fact in and of itself regardless of her feeling for Sasuke. If that wasn't the case don't you think he would've said "by giving up on Sasuke and pretending to confess her love for you"