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[T XD]

Just cause I understand them, doesn't mean I support them. If anything, I just feel sad for them. But you know, at the same time, they're thinking of us in the exact same way. I guess will just never truly see what each other is looking at, thought I try I understand the NaruHina pairing. What I just found out yesterday though, is that there aren't many big name Naruto reviewers on youtube who support NaruSaku... so the biasness really stems from those who only watch reviews there. Of coarse I love reading the comments made

*Gasp* I thought I was the only lawyer for Sakura. We should open a firm and start our practice XD

Well, nothing will be satisfying for some, whatever ultimate thing happens. I'm pretty sure that they'll always say a thing or another, and I'm expecting it.

Lol, we should open a branch here first than go worldwide cause from here, we'll gather ourselves and after that, we'll go internationally XD

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[六道仙人]

Funny things:

-In chapter 615, Hinata said that Naruto's hand is big and manly but most important... It makes me feel... safe!"
-In chapter 469, during the confession Sakura, while she was hugging Naruto, said that he makes her feel safe...

[That Uchiha]

But he did say he was trying to depict an honest girl...so somewhere in her confession she had to be telling the truth, and we know that the part about not caring for Sasuke was a lie soooo

Well, if we go by that interview and use process of elimination, it would imply that she is in love with Naruto.
Although I'm still not sure if Kishimoto was trolling or not with that statement...

[sushi.]

Funny things:

-In chapter 615, Hinata said that Naruto's hand is big and manly but most important... It makes me feel... safe!"
-In chapter 469, during the confession Sakura, while she was hugging Naruto, said that he makes her feel safe...

Difference is that Hinata is only safe and sound because of Neji. XD And then when he dies, she's not safe anymore. It's a battlefield, damn it!

Sakura was safe there and then, but knew she would've perhaps lost her life in the next hour. :|

[Qia]

Well, if we go by that interview and use process of elimination, it would imply that she is in love with Naruto.
Although I'm still not sure if Kishimoto was trolling or not with that statement...

It's hard to say what his intentions are, but someone asked him why Sakura would use Naruto's feelings, and he said on the contrary she was just being an honest girl with a stubborn impression. And honestly...I don't expect him to give a direct answer to any of this so I'm not upset.

[六道仙人]

Difference is that Hinata is only safe and sound because of Neji. XD And then when he dies, she's not safe anymore. It's a battlefield, damn it!

Sakura was safe there and then, but knew she would've perhaps lost her life in the next hour. :|

yeah... and still Naruto was that saved her life making her feel sure

[CynMichi]

But he did say he was trying to depict an honest girl...

You know I think people have forgotten that Kishi wrote Sakura's character to be "your average girl". She is still only about 16 and at that age your normal teenager doesn't grasp the immediate effect of their actions. She's followed cliche girl protocol since the beginning...

1) Self doubt and awareness of imperfections as compared with those of her peers
(forehead, lack of family riches/title, identity in the larger scheme)

2) Crush on "the popular guy" the one society and peer group deem attractive and acceptable.
(come on, what movie/book aimed at teens/young adults have you read where the alpha female does not initially go for the handsome, popular, or dark withdrawn character type? Notice I said initially. btw been there done that ended up with a guy who is my best friend )

3) Rivalry/contention with another in said peer group
(let's face it we've all had those "friends" who were more like competitors)

4) 1st heartbreak destroys the original concept of love that was built upon superficial ideals.

5) That moment when you step back and preform a self evaluation on your own terms not peer groups. The moment your own identity is forged. (IMO this is when she views Naruto in hospital after POAL)

6) Confused feelings. Love is a word and a feeling given to an attachment to someone that can covers familial to romantic.
(The first love of most girls ends in heartbreak which serves typically as a lesson)

To over simplify:
I think Sakura is at a point now where she feels guilty in her feelings. Think of it in normal terms, Sakura dates Sasuke the popular guy who makes her feel like she has status but she is slowly falling for his best friend. Do you still love the lie that you've built up even though you know the feelings arent there or do you follow your heart either way someone is hurt.

Love triangles with confused feelings are fairly standard teenage angst which is why I think Sakura's progression has been slow and methodical. She's the normal one, of all the characters she could be in our world as a regular teenager.

[Slextrem]

Off topic but I'm taking a psychology class this semester and, while I'm no professional, I did run across an interesting article in my textbook [Saundra K. Ciccarelli. Psychology: An exploration, Second Edition. 2013, New Jersey, Prentice Hall.] It talks about a concept called Groupthink, and while I was reading about it, I was reminded of the SS, NH, and NS fanbases. Here is the definition and some characteristics of groupthink:

"Groupthink occurs when people within a group feel it is more important to maintain the group's cohesiveness than to consider the facts realistically.

Characteristics of groupthink:
Invulnerability - Members feel they cannot fail; the group can do no wrong.
Rationalization - Members explain away warning signs & help each other rationalize their decision.
Lack of introspection - Members do not examine the ethical implications of their decision because they believe that they cannot make immoral choices.
Stereotyping - Members stereotype their enemies as weak, stupid, or unreasonable. Those who oppose the group, therefore, have no worthwhile opinions.
Pressure - Members pressure each other not to question the prevailing opinion and prevent those who disagree from speaking up.
Lack of disagreement - Members do not express opinions that differ from the group consensus in a "don't rock the boat" mentality.
Self-deception - Members share in the illusion that they all agree with the decision.
Insularity - Self-appointed "mind guards" prevent the group (and particularly the leader) from hearing disruptive but potentially useful information from people who are outside of the group." (Ciccarelli 348)

Do you think NH/SS fans are suffering from groupthink? Is our fanbase suffering from it as well?
Personally, I believe all three are suffering from it; perhaps some more than others. The three characteristics that stand out to me in this case are invulnerability, rationalization, and stereotyping. What do you think?
(Again, I'm no psychologist. Just looking for opinions on this particular concept. )

Edited by Slextrem, 25 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[CynMichi]

Off topic but I'm taking a psychology class this semester and, while I'm no professional, I did run across an interesting article in my textbook [Saundra K. Ciccarelli. Psychology: An exploration, Second Edition. 2013, New Jersey, Prentice Hall.] It talks about a concept called Groupthink, and while I was reading about it, I was reminded of the SS, NH, and NS fanbases. Here is the definition and some characteristics of groupthink:

"Groupthink occurs when people within a group feel it is more important to maintain the group's cohesiveness than to consider the facts realistically.

Characteristics of groupthink:
Invulnerability - Members feel they cannot fail; the group can do no wrong.
Rationalization - Members explain away warning signs & help each other rationalize their decision.
Lack of introspection - Members do not examine the ethical implications of their decision because they believe that they cannot make immoral choices.
Stereotyping - Members stereotype their enemies as weak, stupid, or unreasonable. Those who oppose the group, therefore, have no worthwhile opinions.
Pressure - Members pressure each other not to question the prevailing opinion and prevent those who disagree from speaking up.
Lack of disagreement - Members do not express opinions that differ from the group consensus in a "don't rock the boat" mentality.
Self-deception - Members share in the illusion that they all agree with the decision.
Insularity - Self-appointed "mind guards" prevent the group (and particularly the leader) from hearing disruptive but potentially useful information from people who are outside of the group." (Ciccarelli 348)

Do you think NH/SS fans are suffering from groupthink? Is our fanbase suffering from it as well?
Personally, I believe all three are suffering from it; perhaps some more than others. The three characteristics that stand out to me in this case are invulnerability, rationalization, and stereotyping. What do you think?
(Again, I'm no psychologist. Just looking for opinions on this particular concept. )

100% correct slextrim!
I absolutely agree with this concept effecting all fan bases, not just pairing but in general. All you have to do is open and message board to see just one person make a negative comment. Wait a few minutes and more comments follow increasing in negativity. The mob jumps in and even the meekest among them feel empowered to share thoughts even if they have nothing but crass insults.

It really rears its ugly head in highschool but I think at this point technology has furthered the intensity by providing a shield of anonymity. The empowerment of being both invisible and part of group ideal combine to form what I believe turns into a cyber-bully. There are studies that agree the adolescent mind is not formed enough to ascertain consequences for actions. Lets face it, most of Naruto fan base are in this stage of life which is why what should be polite discussion often turns childish.

Without embarrassing myself regarding age I can safely say I am not an adolescent lol but I can be baited into a brawl like anyone else I do try to keep it above the belt though !

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Difference is that Hinata is only safe and sound because of Neji. XD And then when he dies, she's not safe anymore. It's a battlefield, damn it!

Sakura was safe there and then, but knew she would've perhaps lost her life in the next hour. :|

And this is why I'm no longer her fan. After how she reacted after Neji's death. She couldn't even even take responsibility that she's partially to blame for his death. I'm not talking about her inability to protect Naruto, but her self concentric feelings that she has for naruto has clouded her mind. All she sees is that naruto needs to be protected. And she doesn't see the people around her are dying left and right and all she can do is smile a be sidetracked about naruto's close proximity, rather than she should be apologizing to Neji and actually open her eyes for once and see the world she lives on... stands for once. Love ones are dying. The people at home or her like her little sister Hanabi and Hyuuga Clan's lives are at stake.

Didn't she ever thought about whats going to happen to Hanabi or her remaining if she failed to win the war after witnessing someone precious to her died before her very own eyes? The answer is no. It has been made clear even since Part 1. Hinata only cares for Naruto and herself. Do you honestly believe that she would give killer bee the full support (same she has done for naruto) if he was the key to win the war instead of naruto? I honestly have my doubts after reading 600+ chapters with Hinata in them.

And if this is Kishi's answer for a NH pairing bond to happen at the end of the manga. Then by all means, he deserves to be called the worse writer in manga history.

[sushi.]

And this is why I'm no longer her fan. After how she reacted after Neji's death. She couldn't even even take responsibility that she's partially to blame for his death. I'm not talking about her inability to protect Naruto, but her self concentric feelings that she has for naruto has clouded her mind. All she sees is that naruto needs to be protected. And she doesn't see the people around her are dying left and right and all she can do is smile a be sidetracked about naruto's close proximity, rather than she should be apologizing to Neji and actually open her eyes for once and see the world she lives on... stands for once. Love ones are dying. The people at home or her like her little sister Hanabi and Hyuuga Clan's lives are at stake.

Didn't she ever thought about whats going to happen to Hanabi or her remaining if she failed to win the war after witnessing someone precious to her died before her very own eyes? The answer is no. It has been made clear even since Part 1. Hinata only cares for Naruto and herself. Do you honestly believe that she would give killer bee the full support (same she has done for naruto) if he was the key to win the war instead of naruto? I honestly have my doubts after reading 600+ chapters with Hinata in them.

And if this is Kishi's answer for a NH pairing bond to happen at the end of the manga. Then by all means, he deserves to be called the worse writer in manga history.

You know, I said something on youtube. I got an invasion from all sides.

"Hinata placed herself infront of Naruto, she looked like football keeper that was planning to catch the ball(toothpicks). Then, Neji jumped in mid air and catched them instead."

I am relieved that I am still alive.

Edited by sushi., 26 January 2013 - 01:04 AM.

[Chatte]

Guys, about popularity and stuff.... Have you seen this? It's mostly NaruHina's...

http://jhai2.tumblr....inas-popularity

I don't know how official they are since the one Occident one is actually from the other forum I'm on, meaning, NarutoBase.

Was just curious if you know more about the others.

[Otaru]

Funny things:

-In chapter 615, Hinata said that Naruto's hand is big and manly but most important... It makes me feel... safe!"
-In chapter 469, during the confession Sakura, while she was hugging Naruto, said that he makes her feel safe...

ssssooooooooooooo true

when it's sakura, they say it's a lie
and when it's hinata, she's kawai ant naruhina canon

i really don't understand

And this is why I'm no longer her fan. After how she reacted after Neji's death. She couldn't even even take responsibility that she's partially to blame for his death. I'm not talking about her inability to protect Naruto, but her self concentric feelings that she has for naruto has clouded her mind. All she sees is that naruto needs to be protected. And she doesn't see the people around her are dying left and right and all she can do is smile a be sidetracked about naruto's close proximity, rather than she should be apologizing to Neji and actually open her eyes for once and see the world she lives on... stands for once. Love ones are dying. The people at home or her like her little sister Hanabi and Hyuuga Clan's lives are at stake.

Didn't she ever thought about whats going to happen to Hanabi or her remaining if she failed to win the war after witnessing someone precious to her died before her very own eyes? The answer is no. It has been made clear even since Part 1. Hinata only cares for Naruto and herself. Do you honestly believe that she would give killer bee the full support (same she has done for naruto) if he was the key to win the war instead of naruto? I honestly have my doubts after reading 600+ chapters with Hinata in them.

And if this is Kishi's answer for a NH pairing bond to happen at the end of the manga. Then by all means, he deserves to be called the worse writer in manga history.

so much true too !

Edited by Otaru, 26 January 2013 - 01:47 AM.

[neoshadow]

"Hinata placed herself infront of Naruto, she looked like football keeper that was planning to catch the ball(toothpicks). Then, Neji jumped in mid air and catched them instead."

So Neji got the interception, carried it all the way for pick 6 but in this incredibly strange analogy a touchdown equals death?

[sushi.]

So Neji got the interception, carried it all the way for pick 6 but in this incredibly strange analogy a touchdown equals death?

Don't get it.

[neoshadow]

Don't get it.

Don't worry I was just making a joke at the football analogy used.
Was that one of the responses you got on youtube? Or is that what you wrote?

[sushi.]

Don't worry I was just making a joke at the football analogy used.
Was that one of the responses you got on youtube? Or is that what you wrote?

Oh, alright. : D And no. I got responses from people who tried to desperately change my opinion. I will not, but they didn't quit lol. It was like they had to defend her at all costs.

Edited by sushi., 26 January 2013 - 02:02 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

And this is why I'm no longer her fan. After how she reacted after Neji's death. She couldn't even even take responsibility that she's partially to blame for his death. I'm not talking about her inability to protect Naruto, but her self concentric feelings that she has for naruto has clouded her mind. All she sees is that naruto needs to be protected. And she doesn't see the people around her are dying left and right and all she can do is smile a be sidetracked about naruto's close proximity, rather than she should be apologizing to Neji and actually open her eyes for once and see the world she lives on... stands for once. Love ones are dying. The people at home or her like her little sister Hanabi and Hyuuga Clan's lives are at stake.

Didn't she ever thought about whats going to happen to Hanabi or her remaining if she failed to win the war after witnessing someone precious to her died before her very own eyes? The answer is no. It has been made clear even since Part 1. Hinata only cares for Naruto and herself. Do you honestly believe that she would give killer bee the full support (same she has done for naruto) if he was the key to win the war instead of naruto? I honestly have my doubts after reading 600+ chapters with Hinata in them.

And if this is Kishi's answer for a NH pairing bond to happen at the end of the manga. Then by all means, he deserves to be called the worse writer in manga history.

It's always the quiet ones ....

Joking aside, I partially disagree with you. Hinata is a good-hearted individual with good intentions, and I don't think she only cares about Naruto and herself. Hinata is selfish true and a Naruto satellite, but not "Omg she's such a b*tch" selfish. I believe Hinata cares about others, but her Naruto tunnel vision constantly hinders her. If anything ever involves Naruto, it's like all she sees his Naruto and all she focuses on is her feelings for him. That is a terrible trait for a character to have. She sees everything through rose-tinted glasses when it comes to her love for him, ironically reflecting her fanbase and their love for her. Hinata needs to grow up, and I don't mean that in a harsh way. Perhaps my biggest problem with Hinata is in 573, when unlike the rest (who we reasonably focusing on fighting, as they should), all she cared about was being with Naruto romantically. Why would you think something like that during a war? It's so immature.

Tbh, I miss the Hinata who was satisfied with Naruto's acknowledgement and nothing more in Pt. 1. Now she expects so much more from him, she's determined to be with him. Naruto's acknowledgement of her strength isn't enough anymore. I'd be okay with this, if only she still seemed to care about her Clan and making her father proud. But no, instead of working to fulfil her role, she's still chasing boys and obsessing. Reminds of Part 1 Sakura with her feelings for Sasuke. She neglected her training and focused on her looks so Sasuke could like her. Hinata's doing the same, procastinating her Hyuga heiress role and instead putting "Naruto-kun wil notice me now!" above it. That disappoints me.

If Kishi could only do what you suggested about her heiress role and thinking about her family other than Naruto, I know I could like her. I don't really have any problems with her, it's just her innate selfishness when it comes to Naruto and her love for him that throws me off. It brings out both the best and the worst in her. It's nice she gets inspired by him, but she's blinded to everything else. Never will I forget the moment that she arrived with the alliance, totally ignored the bleeding Guy and Kakashi, and worriedly asked "Naruto-kun, are you alright?!" when he wasn't even that hurt to begin with.

In some ways, Hinata reminds me of a character from the TV show Buffy the Vampire Slayer named Angel (To clarify, he is a boy my friends. ). Buffy was the heroine, and Angel one of her main love interests. Angel's life was a complete and total hellhole beyond imagination, he had absolutely no friends and a lot of other terrible things happened that I can't begin to cover. But then he saw Buffy one day and matter-of-factly claimed to her later he fell in love with her when he first saw her. Total gushy "love at first sight" story. By seeing her, Buffy motivated him to be someone and to change himself, to help people. She inspired him. Just like Hinata with Naruto, he "saved" her and stopped her from giving up. She also always liked him, too. Like Hinata, Angel also loved the image of inspiration and hope Buffy had with him, he didn't truly know her as a person until he got into a relationship with her. Another thing I realized is that Hinata's obsession is similiar to the unhealthy love Angel had for Buffy (Though amazingly, his was more severe). She was literally his world and he could never stay away from her. No one ever mattered like she did, he once stated that himself. She "saved him", so he could never let it go. Clearly, Angel was a very needy guy with her. He also had some problems with petty jealousies and possessiveness to other guys who were into her, even after he broke up with her. Some of his key character flaws: pettiness, jealous, and overprotectiveness .

Angel's character was as one-dimensial and bland as Hinata's is. He was literally nothing more, but a guy who was in love with her. Hinata's terribly Naruto-centric, Angel was terribly Buffy-centric. He disappointed me and was boring, though his story was sympathetic. It was only until after three bad character development years, he broke up with her for her own good because he was holding her back (Long story. You'd have to watch the TV show to get what I mean). Once he left Buffy, and cemented his own friends and goals eventually, he became extremely likable character for me. His satelitte tendencies were gone and you could no longer describe him in one sentence. Angel grew away from his obsession and constant "Buffy, Buffy" thoughts. True, Angel continued to love her years and years after he left her. It never went away or lessened at all. But at least he was more than his feelings for her. It's because of that he's my second favorite character in the series and I actually ship his relationship with Buffy.

Angel is the Hinata-type example in romance that succeded. Hinata is still a failure in that aspect. My entire point with this is that if Hinata grows away from her obsession and learns to focus on other things like her heiress role, I feel like I could like her. I want to, I really do. She's certainly no Angel with his badass fighting, assertive personality, and funny dark quips but it's a start. In my eyes, Hinata can only truly grow when she realizes Naruto is not everything. I'd prefer her to get over him, but I'd deal with it okay if she just takes her Hyuga status more seriously.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 26 January 2013 - 02:08 AM.

[Deej]

Guys, about popularity and stuff.... Have you seen this? It's mostly NaruHina's...

http://jhai2.tumblr....inas-popularity

I don't know how official they are since the one Occident one is actually from the other forum I'm on, meaning, NarutoBase.

Was just curious if you know more about the others.

I have no clue what any of this means, but the Japanese poll has:

NaruHina - 39.4%
ShikaTema - 33.3%
SasuSaku - 15.2%
NejiHina 6.1%
ItaSasu 6.1%

[Qia]

I have no clue what any of this means, but the Japanese poll has:

NaruHina - 39.4%
ShikaTema - 33.3%
SasuSaku - 15.2%
NejiHina 6.1%
ItaSasu 6.1%

Where's Narusaku???