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[MangaReader]

An interesting encounter happened to me on Wednesday, that I want to point out at something from it.

On Wednesday, I met a NH fan in my college. I know, small world, right ? XD. So, we talked about the manga, told me he's a NH fan and I told him I'm a NS and shared our opinions on ch.617, then he talked about NH. He talked about Hinata's confession and it means NH, and I said to him simply " what about Naruto and if a character confessed, it doesn't mean that the other loves him/her " but, he didn't say anything in return. Then he talked about the hand holding, and showed it to me from 616 ( we were in the computer lab, by the way), and I said to him" it was just to transfer chakra and did you see the next pages". He clicked on next and still he didn't say anything.

The thing that I noticed is that he kept holding into Hinata's confession and I kept saying to him the same thing, and he was always "...", as to me when he does this " XD ".
What I mean is that, I think some NH fans cling too much to Hinata's confession because they expect something to happen from her confession in any way. He said to me that he expects something. I told him it doesn't have to be that Naruto will reply to her on this, and even if he replies to her, it won't be good news to Hinata.

And that's the story of me and my fellow acquaintance NH fan XD

That's how all NH debates go

[T XD]

That's how all NH debates go

Well, him, he's basing his arguments on just interactions, and not going everywhere in the manga and disapproving NS. I think that he thinks that way because Hinata confessed first, and that Naruto and Sakura has yet to be more in that in the future. But, I guess same responses like the other NHs.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[Chatte]

How do you feel about people calling Sakura fickle if she realizes that she's in love with Naruto?
Just read that on Tumblr... of course, from a SS fan...not to be kitteny or anything, but I've seen her defending Sakura so many times and saying she wants what the best for her, yet, when it comes to her love for Naruto...well...here's the result.

[T XD]

How do you feel about people calling Sakura fickle if she realizes that she's in love with Naruto?
Just read that on Tumblr... of course, from a SS fan...not to be kitteny or anything, but I've seen her defending Sakura so many times and saying she wants what the best for her, yet, when it comes to her love for Naruto...well...here's the result.

She's obviously contradicting herself Plus, it's because she doesn't want NS either.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM.

[MangaReader]

Well, him, he's basing his arguments on just interactions, and not going everywhere in the manga and disapproving NS. I think that he thinks that way because Hinata confessed first, and that Naruto and Sakura has yet to be more in that in the future. But, I guess same responses like the other NHs.

Well then he's well mannered in my eyes, because I've have some really interesting things slung at me during my debates at deviantART

[T XD]

Well then he's well mannered in my eyes, because I've have some really interesting things slung at me during my debates at deviantART

Been there, saw that *sigh*

[sushi.]

Well, him, he's basing his arguments on just interactions, and not going everywhere in the manga and disapproving NS. I think that he thinks that way because Hinata confessed first, and that Naruto and Sakura has yet to be more in that in the future. But, I guess same responses like the other NHs.

Alright, all the confessions:
First up, we have Sakura's confession to Sasuke. It was done out of desperation, because she thought she couldn't live without him. She looks pretty happy around Naruto if you ask me though.
Hinata's confession to Naruto was..spontanious. It was like she was thinking "I'll never dare to confess to Naruto, I'll never be able to face him again. Oh wait, if I die for him I won't need to. " She did it to get her burden off her chest.
That doesn't look like a serious confession to me. A confession should be done because the person deserves to know how the other feels, or something like that. Naruto's confession is stubborn. He can not do it before he saves Sasuke? Apparently, he can't do anything before he saves Sasuke. Can not be Hokage, can not confess to Sakura. I don't like his way of thinking, but I hope Kishi is aware of this and tries to develop him.
Sakura's confession to Naruto was done to get his burden off his chest.

I bolded something out, I think these are the main differences between Sakura and Hinata's confession. I don't understand that logic. It's not about who sees the fish first, it's about who catches it.

[Chatte]

Also, I read this:

No. More. Love Triangles! Especially non-existent ones.
Seriously. When has the thought even entered Sakura’s mind that she might love Naruto? And let’s not play the ‘she’s oblivious’ card, because that makes her look dumb.

Not to mention, if her entire arc in part 2 was for the sole purpose of her realizing that she was in love with Naruto, like… how utterly unsatisfying. Never mind Sakura’s very human-like insecurities and trying to do whatever it takes to make herself useful, her development with Naruto is all about looooooooooooove.

Is it me or people try to play any card to underplay Sakura's love for Naruto?

[T XD]

Alright, all the confessions:
First up, we have Sakura's confession to Sasuke. It was done out of desperation, because she thought she couldn't live without him. She looks pretty happy around Naruto if you ask me though.
Hinata's confession to Naruto was..spontanious. It was like she was thinking "I'll never dare to confess to Naruto, I'll never be able to face him again. Oh wait, if I die for him I won't need to. " She did it to get her burden off her chest.
That doesn't look like a serious confession to me. A confession should be done because the person deserves to know how the other feels, or something like that. Naruto's confession is stubborn. He can not do it before he saves Sasuke? Apparently, he can't do anything before he saves Sasuke. Can not be Hokage, can not confess to Sakura. I don't like his way of thinking, but I hope Kishi is aware of this and tries to develop him.
Sakura's confession to Naruto was done to get his burden off his chest.

I bolded something out, I think these are the main differences between Sakura and Hinata's confession. I don't understand that logic. It's not about who sees the fish first, it's about who catches it.

Yup. I always try to explain that the one who tells first doesn't mean he will get what he/she wants. Plus, the differences between Hinata's and Sakura's confession is that Hinata confessed as to confess and that it, but Sakura has a reason to tell it to Naruto, and after that there's processing that will lead to a true confession from her or from Naruto.

The thing is that, we want the others to see that and from some of them to believe that.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 07:06 PM.

[MangaReader]

I can understand why people consider Sakura's confession to Naruto as false, I mean Kishi drew her looking away from Naruto. Now before you tell me that it's because it might be embarrassing to confess in front of a group like that, most fans that don't support NS aren't gonna look to it like that. When someones eyes aren't glazing upon the audience or the person their talking too, then it's pretty much guaranteed that their lying or that they have some hidden motive. Then we have the whole Naruto saying that she lying to herself, but since he didn't direct it towards any part of her speech, again, the fans assume she was lying about everything. Then we have that botched interview that made it out like Sakura was...well...you know. So yeah, Kishi may have intended for her to be honest, but everything about the chapter unfortunately screamed lying. Regardless of that though, the next chapter should have proved that she truly was concerned for Naruto's well-being and that she did house a hidden motive, but it was for good intentions. I don't get why NH fans assume that Sakura should have killed Sasuke to literally prove she's in love with Naruto or why SS fan think that proves Sakura will always deeply love Sasuke, how anti-climatic that would be, not to mention confirming a pairing before the end (at least at that point) isn't a good marketing scheme.

[sushi.]

Yup. I always try to explain that the one who tells first doesn't mean he will get what he/she wants. Plus, the differences between Hinata's and Sakura's confession is that Hinata confessed as to confess and that it, but Sakura has a reason to tell it to Naruto, and after that there's processing that will lead to a true confession from her or from Naruto.

The thing is that, we want the others to see that or from some of them to believe that.

The fact that Sakura walked away because they got mad at eachother, means that their conversation is not done. They never solved it. They need to bring it up again, and I also want to know what all those "O_O" and "..." from the others mean. That just added more confusion, so the next confession needs to be very clear to me, and not something I can write an essay about what I think it means. I want to know what it means, and I want one of them to say "aikitteneru".

But Hinata's "goal" was to lift her feelings off her chest. She did it. (yaay) It doesn't mean that she doesn't have feelings for him anymore, but that part of her development is done.

[T XD]

Also, I read this:

No. More. Love Triangles! Especially non-existent ones.
Seriously. When has the thought even entered Sakura’s mind that she might love Naruto? And let’s not play the ‘she’s oblivious’ card, because that makes her look dumb.

Not to mention, if her entire arc in part 2 was for the sole purpose of her realizing that she was in love with Naruto, like… how utterly unsatisfying. Never mind Sakura’s very human-like insecurities and trying to do whatever it takes to make herself useful, her development with Naruto is all about looooooooooooove.

Is it me or people try to play any card to underplay Sakura's love for Naruto?

Bolded, you took the words right out from my mouth.
Chatte, I recommend you not to see other pairings fans who are bias of what they say about Sakura cause you'll just face palm at whatever you read something from them.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[MangaReader]

Is it me or people try to play any card to underplay Sakura's love for Naruto?

I just wrote a little speech about how I can understand why they do that...

[NinjaMedic]

i used to ship NH in some point of my life.. O.o i used to argue with my friend a lot too!! XD

but the funny thing is i actually jumped ship to NS at the time of hinatas confession... That was literally my 'wtf hinata?!' moment.... Especially when pein swatted her away like a fly, that really made it pointless.... -.-

i didnt really know what to think of sakuras confession though... O~O .. But the only part that sounded like a lie to me was the part where she said she didnt want sasuke back....

[redragon88]

How do you feel about people calling Sakura fickle if she realizes that she's in love with Naruto?
Just read that on Tumblr... of course, from a SS fan...not to be kitteny or anything, but I've seen her defending Sakura so many times and saying she wants what the best for her, yet, when it comes to her love for Naruto...well...here's the result.

Then I guess Naruto would be fickle as all heck if he fall in love with Hinata given that he had absolutely no build up of it happening. At least Sakura had moments in the manga where it implied her feelings for Naruto were becoming more than friendship. So she would actually be less fickle than Naruto for changing her feelings.

Following with Sakura's feelings, I think it's been discussed before, but I wanted to bring up Sai's comment about Sakura loving Sasuke. He said that she was willing to kill Sasuke to save him from a life of evil because she loves him. That might be the case, but I realize more and more that the reason she decided to take action at all was because she realized that not doing so was hurting Naruto.

Killing Sasuke was Sakura's last resort, she could've depended on Naruto to handle Sasuke but chose the worst conclusion for Naruto's sake. She's willing to kill Sasuke out of love, like Sai said, but only chose to venture on that scenario because she felt horrible for seeing Naruto suffer.

I guess that's why Kishi initially felt confident about Sakura acting like a heroine during the Summit arc. For all of her love for Sasuke it seems she's more willing to go out on a limb for Naruto's happiness. That speaks volumes about Sakura's chivalrous heart, as Chiyo specifically described it.

It saddens me that some people say "Sakura went to kill Sasuke because she loves him so much" when in reality it was more like "Sakura went to kill Sasuke for Naruto's sake, and was willing to do so because she loves Sasuke".

Sai wasn't telling Naruto that Sakura came to kill Sasuke because she loves him, he was simply explaining to Naruto that her love for Sasuke gave her the will to kill him. Naruto was doubting Sakura would be able to do it since she loves him, Sai corrected him by explaining that her love would allow her to do so. Her desire to not see Sasuke sink further would give her the motivation to kill him, but she only took action to remove the burden from Naruto.

[MangaReader]

i used to ship NH in some point of my life.. O.o i used to argue with my friend a lot too!! XD

but the funny thing is i actually jumped ship to NS at the time of hinatas confession... That was literally my 'wtf hinata?!' moment.... Especially when pein swatted her away like a fly, that really made it pointless.... -.-

i didnt really know what to think of sakuras confession though... O~O .. But the only part that sounded like a lie to me was the part where she said she didnt want sasuke back....

The only purpose Hinata served was fodder to Naruto's rage and honestly, anyone could have served the role. What I thought was a cop out was Hinata surviving and later Nagato reviving everyone, making it somewhat pointless that Sakura ended up healing her.

As for her confession, that's the only part she was lying about, but knowing our bias brothers and sisters who ship the other pairings, they refuse to accept that.

[T XD]

I can understand why people consider Sakura's confession to Naruto as false, I mean Kishi drew her looking away from Naruto. Now before you tell me that it's because it might be embarrassing to confess in front of a group like that, most fans that don't support NS aren't gonna look to it like that. When someones eyes aren't glazing upon the audience or the person their talking too, then it's pretty much guaranteed that their lying or that they have some hidden motive. Then we have the whole Naruto saying that she lying to herself, but since he didn't direct it towards any part of her speech, again, the fans assume she was lying about everything. Then we have that botched interview that made it out like Sakura was...well...you know. So yeah, Kishi may have intended for her to be honest, but everything about the chapter unfortunately screamed lying. Regardless of that though, the next chapter should have proved that she truly was concerned for Naruto's well-being and that she did house a hidden motive, but it was for good intentions. I don't get why NH fans assume that Sakura should have killed Sasuke to literally prove she's in love with Naruto or why SS fan think that proves Sakura will always deeply love Sasuke, how anti-climatic that would be, not to mention confirming a pairing before the end (at least at that point) isn't a good marketing scheme.

Yeah, pretty much. But, the thing is that there's fans who like to see and understand it the way they want too. It's about clinging to perception and not letting go of the thoughts that they want to be real. It's all about when the person finally let it go and see the reality.

I understand that, but getting steamed over the same thing all the time and go bashing your favorite character is something I can't stand. From that, I have created for me a job which is to go up and play a lawyer for Sakura

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[That Uchiha]

i used to ship NH in some point of my life.. O.o i used to argue with my friend a lot too!! XD

but the funny thing is i actually jumped ship to NS at the time of hinatas confession... That was literally my 'wtf hinata?!' moment.... Especially when pein swatted her away like a fly, that really made it pointless.... -.-

i didnt really know what to think of sakuras confession though... O~O .. But the only part that sounded like a lie to me was the part where she said she didnt want sasuke back....

That's what I think too.
The only part of her confession that we know she lied about was Sasuke.
Sakura loves Sasuke for sure, but the rest of the confession is up for interpretation.

Sakura's actions in the past show that she may or may not like Naruto as more than a friend, who knows.
Kishimoto is very ambiguous with Sakura's character.

[MangaReader]

Yeah, pretty much. But, the thing is that there's fans who like to see and understand it the way they want too. It's about clinging to perception and not letting go of the thoughts that they want to be real. It's all about when the person finally let it go and see the reality.

I understand that, but getting steamed over the same thing all the time and go bashing your favorite character is something I can't stand. From that, I have created for me a job whicg is to go up and play a lawyer to Sakura

Just cause I understand them, doesn't mean I support them. If anything, I just feel sad for them. But you know, at the same time, they're thinking of us in the exact same way. I guess will just never truly see what each other is looking at, thought I try I understand the NaruHina pairing. What I just found out yesterday though, is that there aren't many big name Naruto reviewers on youtube who support NaruSaku... so the biasness really stems from those who only watch reviews there. Of coarse I love reading the comments made

*Gasp* I thought I was the only lawyer for Sakura. We should open a firm and start our practice XD

Edited by MangaReader, 25 January 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Qia]

That's what I think too.
The only part of her confession that we know she lied about was Sasuke.
Sakura loves Sasuke for sure, but the rest of the confession is up for interpretation.

Sakura's actions in the past show that she may or may not like Naruto as more than a friend, who knows.
Kishimoto is very ambiguous with Sakura's character.

But he did say he was trying to depict an honest girl...so somewhere in her confession she had to be telling the truth, and we know that the part about not caring for Sasuke was a lie soooo