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[Branden]

Why even bother with the Sakura haters? Rational arguments don't work on people whom are already choosing to use an irrational thought process. In fact haters of anything in general are best ignored. 

[deviouslyChaotic]

I know what you mean. Haha. If you can be understood your way of hitting guys, why can't anyone else. Honestly, they should just say, "I hate her because I do." I know they can have a legit reason but if they say that, it makes you wonder.

I really agree with the bolded. Honestly this whole "abusive" argument just seems like a weak way to justify their irrational hate towards her. In reality, some of them probably only dislike her for getting in the way of their ship or because, like you said, they just hate her because they do. However, they are aware that those specific reasons sound silly and irrational so they hide behind the abusive argument and use it as a way to justify their immense dislike towards her character.

 

Also, if Kishi really wanted to show how NS was an abusive relationship, he would show Naruto not only being hurt physically, but emotionally and mentally as well. In fact, Naruto is NEVER really hurt physically when Sakura punches him. He usually gets right back up with no signs of bruising or even any redness that a forceful hit would generally leave on vulnerable skin. I recall that one girl repeatedly punching Naruto (I forgot her name! Sorry!). Her punches certainly did not send him literally flying like Sakura's have. The tone of that scene was also dramatic and dense, unlike the lighthearted/comical tone used for when Sakura hits Naruto. Not only that, but Naruto showed signs of bruising and swelling after that girl hit him. He even had to receive medical aid to treat the abuse he endured. He never had to do this with Sakura. The scenes and the way these scenarios are dealt with are completely different. One is intended to be taken seriously while the other is intended to be humorous. The tones and moods used in each scene should be obvious to detect and should also be enough in determining whether something should be taken seriously or not. Obviously, I guess some people just cannot grasp this simple differentiation.

[Question22]

come on the punch is used for comic relief  , im pretty sure naruto would dodge them becuse he is the fastest ninja in konoha

[mmrc27]

I just don't understand why there's so much hatred for Sakura because of her 'abusiveness' towards Naruto. At least she's not Elmer Fudd! She's not shooting him in the face with a hunting rifle every ten seconds! Which is more than I can say for Daffy Duck...

same sentiment...though its not an "abuse" for me...it's part of her personality... :)) an unusual way to show love and care... :)) 

[rocci]

Just a fun thing I think :
Remember when people say naruxcertain girl = gokuxchichi
I disagree, I think gokuchi = minakushi, I think base on minato style using teleport Just like goku when he comeback from namec.

And gohanxvidel = NS. Minus love triangle.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I really agree with the bolded. Honestly this whole "abusive" argument just seems like a weak way to justify their irrational hate towards her. In reality, some of them probably only dislike her for getting in the way of their ship or because, like you said, they just hate her because they do. However, they are aware that those specific reasons sound silly and irrational so they hide behind the abusive argument and use it as a way to justify their immense dislike towards her character.

 

Also, if Kishi really wanted to show how NS was an abusive relationship, he would show Naruto not only being hurt physically, but emotionally and mentally as well. In fact, Naruto is NEVER really hurt physically when Sakura punches him. He usually gets right back up with no signs of bruising or even any redness that a forceful hit would generally leave on vulnerable skin. I recall that one girl repeatedly punching Naruto (I forgot her name! Sorry!). Her punches certainly did not send him literally flying like Sakura's have. The tone of that scene was also dramatic and dense, unlike the lighthearted/comical tone used for when Sakura hits Naruto. Not only that, but Naruto showed signs of bruising and swelling after that girl hit him. He even had to receive medical aid to treat the abuse he endured. He never had to do this with Sakura. The scenes and the way these scenarios are dealt with are completely different. One is intended to be taken seriously while the other is intended to be humorous. The tones and moods used in each scene should be obvious to detect and should also be enough in determining whether something should be taken seriously or not. Obviously, I guess some people just cannot grasp this simple differentiation.

 

The ninja's name was Karui, and I still dislike her for that.  I'm not going to use hate, because really, it's a strong word.  Dislike is just having an annoyance.  Hate is total disdain.  I don't like when people misuse the word especially when it comes to fictional characters.  I understand there are even some anime characters you can actually get angry with.  With me, they were all villain characters, and in my opinion, some of worst of the worst, and I couldn't wait until they got defeated by the heroes, but to me that just shows how well the anime grabbed me and once it was over, I got over it fairly quickly.  Even then, I didn't like those villains, and was glad when they got beaten, but I still don't think I actually hated one of them, because they are all fictional.  If I can't even hate some of these villains, I can't understand why people actually hate a main character, for reasons like "she is in the way" or "she was total pain in the beginning".  I can understand dislike.  There are many third party characters I used to dislike because they stood in the way of my ship:  Kikyo (Inuyasha), Kaya (Tower of Druga, and she actually won!), Flay (Gundam Seed), and others I can't remember right now.  It's all the sadder because Hinata herself isn't pursuing a relationship.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 29 September 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[mmrc27]

 

The ninja's name was Karui, and I still dislike her for that.  I'm not going use hate, because really, it's a strong word.  Dislike is just having an annoyance.  Hate is total disdain.  I don't like when people misuse the word especially when it comes to fictional characters.  I understand there are even some anime characters you can actually get angry with.  With me, they were all villain characters, and in my opinion, some of worst of the worst, and I couldn't wait until they got defeated by the heroes, but to me that just shows how well the anime grabbed me and once it was over, I got over it fairly quickly.  Even then, I didn't like those villains, and was glad when they got beaten, but I still don't think I actually hated one of them, because they are all fictional.  If I can't even hate some of these villains, I can't understand why people actually hate a main character, for reasons like "she is in the way" or "she was total pain in the beginning".  I can understand dislike.  There are many third party characters I used to dislike because they stood in the way of my ship:  Kikyo (Inuyasha), Kaya (Tower of Druga, and she actually won!), Flay (Gundam Seed), and others I can't remember right now.  It's all the sadder because Hinata herself isn't pursuing a relationship.

agree..she just wanted to be recognized and acknowledge by naruto...

[rocci]

Wow I agree with you dattebayoxshannaro.
I mean it just fiction why so serious about it, just have fun.

[HauntedCake]

Yeah, Part 1 sakura earned her all the hate she gets, whilst hinata got all her godliness from part 1 too.

[T XD]

The hater is either one of those, two, three or all of them:

1- They hate her due to the effects of the beginning of part 1 and still can't shake it off.

2- Cause she's a threat to other pairing/s.

3- Cause they don't want to quit hating her.

 

4- They don't know there's something called a Tsundere character and how they are especially for the part where he/she hits the protagonist.

 

I think most of them hate her cause she's a threat to a pairing and bashes her for the sake of it, and/or the 4th option. That's my take on how I see this issue.

Edited by T XD, 29 September 2013 - 09:16 AM.

[redragon88]

Certainly.

 

List of movies with explanation

Note: Obviously some of them won't based on human sized characters as well as there are other animated movies.

 

Wall-E: Wall-e, the protagonist, is an old robot with basic technique: clean. Then, a female bot from that current time is very powerful, but Wall-e fallen in love with it. She is very strict and has a blaster that can destroy a ship in ease, which Wall-e is like "Holy sheet" without talking, of course. She is far superior and scary as the other is just normal but a big heart (irony). Needless to say, they hit it off with developments and such. It's a great movie. I did wish the movie was always the same for second half as the second part is more about how technology can create humanity into unmotivated species.

 

Ratatouille: One of my favorite animated movie and a good example of a scary woman. The protagonist or one of the two, the other is a rat, is just a guy who live pretty much a low life style as he feels like he got nothing to go, so the rat and him teamwork to cook. He gotten better in reputation, so he was paired up with his love interest, who she didn't joke about cooking not one bit. So he tried to play cool but then a knife to his sleeves, so she talks and pretty much scared him, yet he loves it. She threatened him if not following her, she will kill him. Needless to say, in the middle, they got together. Oddly enough, I fantasized one scenario from this movie in Naruto form with the part where if Naruto were to become Hokage, Team 7 is pretty much disbanded and Sakura would look worried.

 

How to Train Your Dragon: One of my all-time favorites and Kishi's favorite movie. That's right, if you don't know the premise, well here's the story. Hiccup, the protagonist, is a loser and can't do anything worthy, and in the intro, when introducing the other characters, when it came to Astrid, he said it like he has a huge crush, which he did by his expressions. This is the closest you'll get with tsundere traits in USA animated film, because she hits him to show affection, she is scary, she is strong, etc. I do wonder why Kishi loves this movie. Well some of them are answered here.

 

There are many others, including ones that only have one or two scary moment that says, "Be afraid." I know some uses attack on a guy to show affection, much similar to chapter 450, such as How to Train Your Dragon, Chicken Run, etc. Not only that but it appears to have women who are adventurous, alive, scary, stronger than the guy in casual day or even in general, and more of equal standing with the guy. Not once I have seen a shy girl in my collection, only what I listed above. So why Hinata get this amount of praise? Is it because there are fans that came from Shoujo, even some of them still works differently than Naruto? Is it because they don't want to root for Sakura since she is the character that they hate with a passion. My point is that it's not childhood and/or animated movies that make them think otherwise. But the real point is that Kishi is writing a story for all family, mainly teenagers, like how a Pixar film is, when they put their efforts into it. RtN is also an example of this. Remember, this series is meant to have a moral and so, if it's closed to animated films, that mean that his writing standard for this series. Don't expect a live series complications such as this main character dies in the middle, dilemma in a relationship like one cheated over another, etc. It's simple story telling with complex details. That's all I wanted to point out.

 

Yes, I am a fan of these films. Quite frankly, if you ever read my blog in this site, I love the imaginations, the designs, everything that you can only do in animated films. I do watch live action films of course, but I just prefer the first more because at times, it is more clever than the live one and the live one usually have a problem of making it complicated that is not really needed because it can actually hurt the characters. That and when it comes to use imagination technique in real life, it looks odd. Really odd at times. Plus, animated are timeless, most of the time. And man, their soundtracks seem to have more work than the real life one, though some of them are really great too. Anyway, enough of my biasness, that's all I came to say.

 

Ohhh, those movies. Yeah, I've seen them at least once. I loved the girls tempers in them because it makes it all the more satisfying when the guys win them over.

 

Same here. I could always block, but nope, just get what I deserved for dumb actions. So yeah, in anime, it's over exaggerated but that's how they work. In US animation, it's real as it can be in that world, so it depends. Like one character can block an attack with no movement, only hurts another, so when the guy strikes her, he felt the pain. It's comedy.

 

As long as a girl keeps it as a "love tap" I don't see the problem with it. If she does it because you teased her too much then you can just laugh it off since those have as much force as a child hitting you. But if she goes about it in a mean spirited way and it's uncalled for then it's not something anyone should tolerate.

 

I wonder if you enjoy those love taps..... M!

Yeah, Part 1 sakura earned her all the hate she gets, whilst hinata got all her godliness from part 1 too.

 

The hell she did. She had flaws just like Naruto and Sasuke did, but nothing to justify hate.

Edited by redragon88, 29 September 2013 - 09:34 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Good morning. Or evening. Or afternoon...

 

I really agree with the bolded. Honestly this whole "abusive" argument just seems like a weak way to justify their irrational hate towards her. In reality, some of them probably only dislike her for getting in the way of their ship or because, like you said, they just hate her because they do. However, they are aware that those specific reasons sound silly and irrational so they hide behind the abusive argument and use it as a way to justify their immense dislike towards her character.

 

Also, if Kishi really wanted to show how NS was an abusive relationship, he would show Naruto not only being hurt physically, but emotionally and mentally as well. In fact, Naruto is NEVER really hurt physically when Sakura punches him. He usually gets right back up with no signs of bruising or even any redness that a forceful hit would generally leave on vulnerable skin. I recall that one girl repeatedly punching Naruto (I forgot her name! Sorry!). Her punches certainly did not send him literally flying like Sakura's have. The tone of that scene was also dramatic and dense, unlike the lighthearted/comical tone used for when Sakura hits Naruto. Not only that, but Naruto showed signs of bruising and swelling after that girl hit him. He even had to receive medical aid to treat the abuse he endured. He never had to do this with Sakura. The scenes and the way these scenarios are dealt with are completely different. One is intended to be taken seriously while the other is intended to be humorous. The tones and moods used in each scene should be obvious to detect and should also be enough in determining whether something should be taken seriously or not. Obviously, I guess some people just cannot grasp this simple differentiation.

I agree. Let's not forget that Sai was there to stop the beating, which means it's not comedy, because no one stops a comedy scene in a serious tone. Plus, if going by the anime version, the atmosphere/tone was clearly pure serious. No one is laughing, it was a torment to see Naruto go this far for someone who is seen not worth saving.

 

come on the punch is used for comic relief  , im pretty sure naruto would dodge them becuse he is the fastest ninja in konoha

No kidding. Same can be said the same for Minato. He clearly didn't have a "peaceful" time with Kushina since it does appear that she has been tsundere even in a relationship, which is why he knows the relationship goes in 631.

 

Just a fun thing I think :
Remember when people say naruxcertain girl = gokuxchichi
I disagree, I think gokuchi = minakushi, I think base on minato style using teleport Just like goku when he comeback from namec.

And gohanxvidel = NS. Minus love triangle.

You know, that's a good one. Yeah, I like this way better.

 

 

The ninja's name was Karui, and I still dislike her for that.  I'm not going to use hate, because really, it's a strong word.  Dislike is just having an annoyance.  Hate is total disdain.  I don't like when people misuse the word especially when it comes to fictional characters.  I understand there are even some anime characters you can actually get angry with.  With me, they were all villain characters, and in my opinion, some of worst of the worst, and I couldn't wait until they got defeated by the heroes, but to me that just shows how well the anime grabbed me and once it was over, I got over it fairly quickly.  Even then, I didn't like those villains, and was glad when they got beaten, but I still don't think I actually hated one of them, because they are all fictional.  If I can't even hate some of these villains, I can't understand why people actually hate a main character, for reasons like "she is in the way" or "she was total pain in the beginning".  I can understand dislike.  There are many third party characters I used to dislike because they stood in the way of my ship:  Kikyo (Inuyasha), Kaya (Tower of Druga, and she actually won!), Flay (Gundam Seed), and others I can't remember right now.  It's all the sadder because Hinata herself isn't pursuing a relationship.

Sadly, most of them meets death to make the other works. Lazy. Gundam series (minus G and few others) is always odd when it comes to main character's pairing because they either never happen or they do but never got there. Gundam main character's romance is just odd. That or maybe because they always have a robotic main character for a while, so maybe I'm only thinking about those for now. Inuyasha, yeah, I don't know if that death argument is forever lasting. Didn't see that anime, so nope, sorry.

 

Yeah, Part 1 sakura earned her all the hate she gets, whilst hinata got all her godliness from part 1 too.

I don't know. Have her character been the same throughout the entire part 1, I would understand more clear, but around Chunnin Exam, things were changing for the best because well, her and Sasuke were getting separated further and further once curse seal happens, starting to appreciate others, understand and respect highly on Naruto, etc. If she were the same as first arc Sakura, then fine, the hate and message received. I mean I do believe I have seen worse. Actually, I think Slam Dunk was much worse when it comes to fangirl. I remember when I watched it late after Naruto was on filler, I was like, "Over 50 episodes and still fangirling. I feel like I want to be in Dead Space and get killed by a boss right now..." But who knows, maybe anime made it worse for all I know.

 

 

Ohhh, those movies. Yeah, I've seen them at least once. I loved the girls tempers in them because it makes it all the more satisfying when the guys win them over.

 

 

As long as a girl keeps it as a "love tap" I don't see the problem with it. If she does it because you teased her too much then you can just laugh it off since those have as much force as a child hitting you. But if she goes about it in a mean spirited way and it's uncalled for then it's not something anyone should tolerate.

 

I wonder if you enjoy those love taps..... M!

 

The hell she did. She had flaws just like Naruto and Sasuke did, but nothing to justify hate.

Sorry to keep you waiting. Trust me, I don't bs people. Unlike that damn Hinata's sketch. I know I took long but not only I was at work, but I couldn't use spoiler tags in mobile. Even if I use full site on it, it won't give me these options. So, I do apologize on the wait.

 

Well, yeah, as long as it's love tap, it's all good, even though I got a lot of those, including stomping on my foot, though I think I accidentally kick her when checking the road for something that was going on. I think it was a small accident, but my focus got lost and oops. So yeah, message received. Ahem, but yes, I would know the difference. Usually, if she is in the bad mood afterward, then whatever happened before got her upset. Anyway, the point is just keep her joy and happy, and you'll be happy yourself.

 

Yes, everyone has flaws. If not, he/she is boring then. Funny how that works.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, Part 1 sakura earned her all the hate she gets, whilst hinata got all her godliness from part 1 too.

Agreed, part 1 i hated Sakura, she never give the credit Naruto deserves while he worked hard to protect her, and Sakura's confession to Sasuke and the part where she wanted to leave the village with Sasuke leaving Naruto behind was heartbreaking, It's Naruto's luck that he didnt saw that confession because he would be devastated.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 September 2013 - 10:57 AM.

[T XD]

I don't know. Have her character been the same throughout the entire part 1, I would understand more clear, but around Chunnin Exam, things were changing for the best because well, her and Sasuke were getting separated further and further once curse seal happens, starting to appreciate others, understand and respect highly on Naruto, etc. If she were the same as first arc Sakura, then fine, the hate and message received. I mean I do believe I have seen worse. Actually, I think Slam Dunk was much worse when it comes to fangirl. I remember when I watched it late after Naruto was on filler, I was like, "Over 50 episodes and still fangirling. I feel like I want to be in Dead Space and get killed by a boss right now..." But who knows, maybe anime made it worse for all I know.

Yeah, exactly. It seems that some are linking her crush on Sasuke throughout part 1 to how she was in the beginning of part 1 whereas it's two different things. I think they missed that she had begun to be more and more different and changed after early part 1.

[redragon88]

Sorry to keep you waiting. Trust me, I don't bs people. Unlike that damn Hinata's sketch. I know I took long but not only I was at work, but I couldn't use spoiler tags in mobile. Even if I use full site on it, it won't give me these options. So, I do apologize on the wait.

 

Don't worry, it's just stuff that happens.

 

Well, yeah, as long as it's love tap, it's all good, even though I got a lot of those, including stomping on my foot, though I think I accidentally kick her when checking the road for something that was going on. I think it was a small accident, but my focus got lost and oops. So yeah, message received. Ahem, but yes, I would know the difference. Usually, if she is in the bad mood afterward, then whatever happened before got her upset. Anyway, the point is just keep her joy and happy, and you'll be happy yourself.

 

Hey whatever floats your boat. M!

Edited by redragon88, 29 September 2013 - 11:01 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, exactly. It seems that some are linking her crush on Sasuke throughout part 1 to how she was in the beginning of part 1 whereas it's two different things. I think they missed that she had begun to be more and more different and changed after early part 1.

Yeah, like I said. I have seen worse. I remember questioning myself if that's really Sakura when she was about to quit for Naruto's dream. I was like, "Whoa, who is this person?" I was young so don't judge me.

 
Don't worry, it's just stuff that happens.
 
 
Hey whatever floats your boat. M!

Thank you.

Lol. Just saying.

[rocci]

@darkrest
Hmm but I think that's intentional from kishi, but I think her confenssion in the kage summit that make them hate her.

[六道仙人]

@darkrest
Hmm but I think that's intentional from kishi, but I think her confenssion in the kage summit that make them hate her.

 

I don't think so at all. Kishimoto clearly said in an interview that he just wanted to make he an honest and stubborn girl but it seems that this's not the message adopted by lettors. I just think that Kishimoto has simply overstimated the japanese lettors' average intelligence, after all we'are talking about a standard of boys (Naruto is read mostly by males than females).

Kishimoto wrote that confession in order to bring a clear message but apparently he failed and that confession became probably something that he couldn't imagine, he has only increased the hatred of lettors towards Sakura, especially from occidental audience.

[Psychox]

Here's an argument I came across on youtube. It was over Sakura's confession.

 

NH fan:People don't talk about this episode much, but the script is heavily underrated.

Not only did she lie to his face about loving him, she along with everyone else want him to give up on saving Sasuke (who he feels is like a brother).  I don't blame Naruto for almost dying from hyperventilation. Shame on this stupid b*tch, Sakura. She'll always be a Sasuke groupie. I'm going to laugh so hard when NaruHina actually happens and then all the idiots that doubted it decide to reject Kishi's writing.

 

NS fan: NaruHina won't be canon, because Naruto loves Sakura, and not Hinata.

 

NH fan: It's not love. It's just lust. Like nowadays you see alot of girls that dye their hair pink or bright red (skanks) like Nikki Minaj.

That's all it is, just lust for nasty freaks.

 

NS fan: It's not lust, it IS love. Naruto himself stated it.

Plus, Sakura's hair color is Natural, even if that's not a hair color that occurs naturally in real life.

 

NH fan: Wtf? When did Naruto say he loves Sakura?

 

NS fan: He said it over and over again.

The reason why never said said it TO SAKURA was because, as he said himself, he doesn't feel he deserve her.

 

NH fan: Lol you just made it up. He never deliberately said he's in love with Sakura. Tell me what chapter he says it, or gtfo.

 

NS fan: Or you can tell me one time when he said he's not in love with her, or that he's in love with Hinata.

Why would he even use the honorific suffix "chan" with a girl he doesn't love?!

I can't memorize numbers and I don't read the manga from the beginning. Sue me.

 

NH fan: LOL! "chan" is your explanation now? rofl.

Naruto doesn't have to say anything. I'm simply calling out your BS statement. He never said he loved her.

Hinata told him directly and truthfully that she loves him. She stopped him from going to Obito and slapped him to not give up. That's something a wife does.

Sakura only hits Naruto out of spite because she's always thinks of him as a loser.

 

NS fan: does Naruto need to spell it out for you? The talk with Sai where Sai asks Naruto if he loves Sakura, Naruto says yes.

He says why he can't tell Sakura and why he has NOT brought up his feelings. You need more than that?

No, a wife is someone that is THERE all the time and supports you in your WHOLE life. Not shows up out of nowhere when you are about to die or starve. SAME relationship as police and citizens.

You don't read manga? The wives and GF's always hit their loves for COMEDY.

 

NH fan: LOL do all NaruSaku fans inherently make up a bunch of BS? Naruto never said such a thing. rofl, this is too hilarious how you people keep making things up on the fly. It's like you're so programmed for your fantasies to become "reality" that you make up stories that are not true. Back up your claims with a source at least.

I promise you NaruHina will happen. And when it does happen, I will come back here to rub it in all your faces while you predictably reject Kishi's writing.

 

NS fan: Really? 457 page 11,12 disagrees with you. Do all Naruhina fans have selective reading problems?

Haha! I love that you know NOTHING of manga romances. If you did, you would eat your words.

In manga, there's ALWAYS the main character, the girl the main character likes and the shy character that loves the main character.

Guess who always end up together?

There's a reason Naruto hasn't responded to Hinata. I can't wait to see your face when Naruto gets the girl he's been loving since the start.

 

NH fan: Really? Keeping a promise of bringing back her crush to show her that he loves her (correction: translation says "LIKE", not "love". The Japanese are very specific about this.)

riiiight that makes a whole lot of sense. As for his word/promises, that has nothing to do with his love interests. You're twisting his words around. Suppose Sakura rejects him? then what, he becomes a rapist because "he never goes back on his word"? lol please...

 

NS fan:If Hinata is allowed to be in "love" or "like" Naruto when she spent NO time with him other than her stalking, Naruto's is double.

The sacrifice he goes thru for Sakura every day without trying to get anything in return is the ultimate act of love.

His choices ARE him Juny. EVERY NH fan always says that his romance is different than his other choices despite the fact that what you CHOOSE says who you are. EVERY choice matches Naruto.

Did you not see Jiraiya? That's who he would become. (This post was also spammed)

 

NH fan: He sacrifices himself for all the main characters. He does throughout the whole series It just seems special to YOU w/ Sakura because she's always around since they're team mates. Nothing more, nothing less.

1 thing that caught my attention: You say that Hinata only helps Naruto during extreme moments. This only proves that she's one of the few people that truly believes in him and doesn't breast feed him like a baby.

Better to have a lover that respects you than to have a child rely on u.

 

NS fan: You are completely wrong about Hinata's reasons not to help Naruto until things get extreme.

She WANTS to help him, but isn't courageous enough. When she got in Pain's way to defend Naruto, it was because she was sure he wouldn't survive. But she was sure she wouldn't survive either, so she was just wasting her life.

What she lacks isn't respect for Naruto, it's self-respect. (This post was also spammed)

 

NH fan: Fail. She defended him for so many good reasons its not even funny. dont go bashing such a good character without getting the facts straight first.

 

NS fan: Really? Name 5

Hinata good character? That's a good one.

 

NH fan/Sakura basher: Really Sakura useful? That's a good one too.

 

NS fan: She just saved over a thousand ninjas. So yeah, she's useful.

 

End.

 

 

Please don't take any of this as bashing or hating on Hinata or the NH fanbase. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about this argument in particular. I just copy and pasted the words, and didn't edit anything out.

 

There were some other arguments, but I'm not going to waste my time copy and pasting them here. Most of the arguments are just the typical "Hinata deserves Naruto because she never hit him unlike Sakura" BS they like to come up with.

 

I am speechless .... Its a common trait that a lot of people dislike Sakura for her crush on Sasuke which is kept for the entity of what is the manga , for what?Sake of suspense and paring drama? Yes,that is a way to put it and i understand Kishi at some point ,but as people have stated here and in other threads , he has fallen in his own woven web of depicting her love for Sasuke in such a horrible way that is not so easy to swallow scenes like under the Samurai Bridge or 540 that one useless panel with Sakura questioning her love for the first time ''Is that the guy i like ''? Its understandable  to be curious why does she cling to him ,but people are forgetting important things like how much Sakura has helped Naruto or tried to relieve him of his burden for which he has beard almost 3 years of his life.

They even dismiss major scenes like Sai's ''outdated'' flashback where Naruto thinks he has failed Sakura not being able to keep his promise so that's why he holds back his feelings. They are a complex matter bottled up and kept hidden for the idea of respect and love in contrast of Sakura's for Sasuke.

As Atheck has stated in 648 thread , Naruto is an absolutist , a stubborn person who wants to save everybody and ''repair '' everything in this world alone , so sometimes he forgets that he has friends to aid him and a girl by his side to support him. That's why for me NS is  a plausible relationship , because she supports him ,wants to help him, take the burden of his shoulders , just be there for him , and that's why he should love her plus the fact that he has a sturdy and coherent  relationship build up with Sakura ,so its safe to assume that he loves her even more (which kind of obvious ,but lets just add it here ) from the beginning of the series.

 

Better to have a lover that respects you than to have a child rely on u.

 

Now this is very wrong and unacceptable , did they forget that Sai told Sakura that they were relying on Naruto too much or 574 scene? ...

 

You're twisting his words around. Suppose Sakura rejects him? then what, he becomes a rapist because "he never goes back on his word"? lol please...

 

Huh, this person is arguing from fear and is far from the story. I don't know what to say about this, but he showed maturity when he made the POAL being able to express acceptance in Sakura's decision of her not returning his feelings. We can give him the Jira/Tsu parallel that Jiraiya never moved on just sought companion . Sometimes reading those kind of opinions brakes my heart , seriously. The boy moves on (not) and just keeps on living having those feelings for the rest of his life. Yes, it aches when a person you love doesn't love you the way you'd like to.

 

 

Agreed, part 1 i hated Sakura, she never give the credit Naruto deserves while he worked hard to protect her, and Sakura's confession to Sasuke and the part where she wanted to leave the village with Sasuke leaving Naruto behind was heartbreaking, It's Naruto's luck that he didnt saw that confession because he would be devastated.

 

Absolutely .

If that came to be , then Naruto would've never believed or held any faith in her ever loving him the same way he does her. It would be a total disaster , imagine scenes comparable with the hospital hug or  when she ran to hug Sasuke after she thought he died by Haku's hand.

Its part 1 + both Naruto and Sasuke's confession from Sakura that she receives that much hate plus the additional love she still holds. Its hard to swallow her character in part 1 for some folk and those scenes ..

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

The ninja's name was Karui, and I still dislike her for that.  I'm not going to use hate, because really, it's a strong word.  Dislike is just having an annoyance.  Hate is total disdain.  I don't like when people misuse the word especially when it comes to fictional characters.  I understand there are even some anime characters you can actually get angry with.  With me, they were all villain characters, and in my opinion, some of worst of the worst, and I couldn't wait until they got defeated by the heroes, but to me that just shows how well the anime grabbed me and once it was over, I got over it fairly quickly.  Even then, I didn't like those villains, and was glad when they got beaten, but I still don't think I actually hated one of them, because they are all fictional.  If I can't even hate some of these villains, I can't understand why people actually hate a main character, for reasons like "she is in the way" or "she was total pain in the beginning".  I can understand dislike.  There are many third party characters I used to dislike because they stood in the way of my ship:  Kikyo (Inuyasha), Kaya (Tower of Druga, and she actually won!), Flay (Gundam Seed), and others I can't remember right now.  It's all the sadder because Hinata herself isn't pursuing a relationship.

Ah, ok! Thanks for telling me. I completely forgot it haha.

I do agree that there is a major difference between hate and dislike. However I see others frequently use the term hate when describing their least favorite characters, such as Sakura, which is why I used the term in my post. They openly admit their hate numerous times and I rarely, if ever, see someone claim that they merely dislike her. Of course they most likely do not actually hate her (although some may...), but rather strongly dislike her. However, a lot of fans do not think like you. They use hate loosely and throw it around as if it's nothing without taking into consideration the word's strength as well as its meaning in its entirety. I would prefer if they said they disliked her, but it's the norm to sloppily throw hate around these days, which is unfortunate.

Oh, and sorry of the post doesn't make any sense. I literally just woke up haha.

 

NS4Life: Ah, you're right! No one would ever do that if the scene was meant to be taken lightly. Just further proof as to how much the two scenarios differ. People need to understand that there is a wide gap between a comical scene and a serious one. Unfortunately, that gap is more often than not mistaken for a thin line when that is just not the case.

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 29 September 2013 - 02:56 PM.