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[Qia]

Here's an interesting thing to mull over for now over NS: If Naruto had seen Sakura's emotional display during the Tenchi Bridge or heard Yamato's unfinished way back, would Naruto have been able to believe a little easier that Sakura might actually love him when she confessed to him?

I've been wondering about this for a while. I wrote a scene in my NS/MK fanfic over this, Yamato actually telling Naruto Sakura's desperation back then and how deeply she cared for him. Somehow, I feel like Naruto would be exceptionally shocked over it, but he still wouldn't let himself believe it because of his mental protective barrier when it comes to Sakura and her feelings.

Thoughts? What do you guys think about this?

I think he'd still be in denial, especially if it's just Yamato telling him about it and if he still believes that she strongly loves Sasuke. If he'd seen it...it's hard to say. I think he'd just tell her not to worry and that they'd go back to saving Sasuke together like she said before, since he couldn't really read what her thoughts would have been then. That's why it would be pretty cool if Kurama somehow brought it up if he knows about it...but I don't know. . I can see him not wanting to get in the way of her and Sasuke despite the display. Good question though.

Edited by Qia, 24 January 2013 - 06:30 PM.

[Tsubaki]

Guys, how do you interpret these expressions? It was right after Sakura say "I love you" to Naruto, especially Yamato and Kiba.

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sorry, I've been asked so many things like that, but I really wanted to read some other opinions.

[sushi.]

Writing on my phone right now. I won't bother writing a long text, but what got me was that Rock Lee facepalmed later on...wow

[Zatheko]

Guys, how do you interpret these expressions? It was right after Sakura say "I love you" to Naruto, especially Yamato and Kiba.

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sorry, I've been asked so many things like that, but I really wanted to read some other opinions.

Hmm you know, I'm surprised yamato seemed so surprised by it, wasn't he the one who thought she loved him already, you know at the bridge scene?

[六道仙人]

Hmm you know, I'm surprised yamato seemed so surprised by it, wasn't he the one who thought she loved him already, you know at the bridge scene?

That doesn't bother to me honestly...
Rock lee likes Sakura, we all know that. Maybe it's just shocked because he's a little envying
Yamato's just shocked..

Confessing your love publicy in Japan can embarrassing people...

Clearly Yamato is one of those people who get imbarrassed at those kind of stuff...

[Qia]

Hmm you know, I'm surprised yamato seemed so surprised by it, wasn't he the one who thought she loved him already, you know at the bridge scene?

Maybe he felt it was really sudden, though? Like...the time that she'd decided to say it and maybe in the way she might have is suspicious. She didn't even take him aside...she just blurted it out in front of everyone.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I had a thought earlier about that confession scene. You know the part where Naruto says that he hates people who lie to themselves? I think that Naruto means himself, as well as Sakura. In that scene Naruto is offered the chance to be with the girl he has had romantic feelings for. If he goes for a kiss, Sakura will have to kiss him back. If Naruto wants to go to a date, Sakura will have to agree. She is trying to make him believe her love for him is true, after all. So right there Naruto has the opportunity to have a romantic relationship with Sakura. But the problem is that Naruto *just knows* that Sakura doesn't love him and that she still loves Sasuke. So he is offered the chance to be with Sakura but it comes with the price of knowing that their relationship is going to be based on a lie: Sakura will have to lie to love Naruto, and in order to have a relationship with Sakura, Naruto will pretty much have to lie to himself that Sakura loves him, not Sasuke. In the end Naruto rejects all of that by declaring that he can't stand people who lie to themselves: he does not want to become what he hates and does the only thing that he can do, rejects her and saves them both from life of lies.

*shrug* Maybe someone has thought of all that years ago but I only just now realized that.

Writing on my phone right now. I won't bother writing a long text, but what got me was that Rock Lee facepalmed later on...wow

I didn't even notice this until recently. I always just focused on his jaw-drop.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 25 January 2013 - 02:05 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Absolutely loved Kiba's expression. He just looks mildy confused, the most calm one out of all them. Besides Kakashi. Him and his pokerface. Personally, I think it's stupid the NaruHina fans try and say Yamato's reaction downplayed the unfinished sentence. While it is a little confusing, it's 100% clear he thought Sakura loved Naruto back in the Tenchi Bridge. There's no denying it. I'm guessing it was the unexpectedness of the action, not that he didn't think she had feelings for him. Lee's facepalm was hilarious, every time I laugh. He had a crush on Sakura, of course he'd react that way. One of my favorite arguments from NH fans: "Even Lee knew she was lying! Sakura's confession was so bad, Lee had to facepalm at the display!"

Qia, thanks for responding to that for me! I found it a really interesting question, especially since the Tenchi Bridge was one of the major NS moments that he yet again, missed. That's what I think, too. Maybe for a split second Naruto would consider it in his shock, but his denial always gets in the way. What an annoying trait of Naruto's in the love department.


@Gravenimage: I don't know about that, Sawyer7mage's been pretty overconfident and cocky since 615. Not even 616 changed his mind. He's utterly convinced NaruHina is the canon pairing and that if it didn't happen, it'd be a huge pairing asspull. He's even at the point that he somehow believes ObiRin will be connected to NaruHina and Hinata will die, apparently because Naruto's in love with her now.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 25 January 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Personally, I think it's stupid the NaruHina fans try and say Yamato's reaction downplayed the unfinished sentence. While it is a little confusing, it's 100% clear he thought Sakura loved Naruto back in the Tenchi Bridge. There's no denying it. I'm guessing it was the unexpectedness of the action, not that he didn't think she had feelings for him. Lee's facepalm was hilarious, every time I laugh. He had a crush on Sakura, of course he'd react that way. One of my favorite arguments from NH fans: "Even Lee knew she was lying! Sakura's confession was so bad, Lee had to facepalm at the display!"

I have to agree with those NH fans, then. I personally think that it is pretty telling that Kishi included such an audience to NS confession and none of them had a positive reaction to it. No one was happy or delighted or acted like they had witnessed some beautiful love affair starting. I think those NH fans of yours have called it exactly: nobody believed Sakura's confession at that moment, not even Lee. Yamato's reaction is confusing when one remembers his earlier Tenchi Bridge scene. I don't know what to make of it, really. It might cast doubt whether he ever was going to finish with "really love Naruto", though.

Edit. Did Akamaru get a reaction shot?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 25 January 2013 - 02:19 AM.

[Qia]

The only expression that's stopping me from completely believing that the entire confession was false on Sakura's part is Kakashi's expression when she hugs him, and his unfinished thought.

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What makes it even more interesting is the fact that only Yamato and Kakashi can see her expression right now. Then there are those famous "..." too. Same ones for Hinata when Sakura hugged Naruto way back in the Pein arc (And Naruto couldn't see her expression then either, yet everyone in the crowd finds it interesting. Hmm.). Then there's the bridge scene and Yamato also had those "...". And, you may have guessed it already, but Naruto couldn't see it then either since he was unconscious. It's all very...interesting. It just seems to add to the reason why Naruto didn't believe her during her confession: He never sees those genuine looks on her face.

But you know...I guess it could all mean nothing in the end.

Edited by Qia, 25 January 2013 - 02:48 AM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

The only expression that's stopping me from completely believing that the entire confession was false on Sakura's part is Kakashi's expression when she hugs him, and his unfinished thought.

Well, my take is that considering how Kakashi acts after Sakura and co leave, I don't think Kakashi bought it anymore than anyone else did.

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"I figured something was up" doesn't exactly sound like a man who is confident that Sakura was confessing her true love; it sounds like a man who knows that he is being duped but is unsure how exactly. He also seems to have figured out what she was planning and at no point goes to argue with Sai when he says that Sakura loves Sasuke.

[Qia]

Well, my take is that considering how Kakashi acts after Sakura and co leave, I don't think Kakashi bought it anymore than anyone else did.

Chapter 474, page 1 --Click here to view--

"I figured something was up" doesn't exactly sound like a man who is confident that Sakura was confessing her true love; it sounds like a man who knows that he is being duped but is unsure how exactly. He also seems to have figured out what she was planning and at no point goes to argue with Sai when he says that Sakura loves Sasuke.

Well you have to consider that the way she did it and WHEN she did it is very suspicious, so there could be another side to her confessing. He was suspicious from the start so. But it doesn't necessarily get rid of the fact that he may have noticed something else in that hug. "Sakura you....what?" Yea he figured out what she was planning to do next because Sai told them why she had been there in the first place, but realize that not even Sai stated that she was lying about her feelings for Naruto. =/. All he tells him is what Sakura was supposed to do when she met Naruto (tell him about Konoha's plan for Sasuke).

Naruto is the one that says Sakura loves Sasuke, Sai goes along with it, Kakashi stays quiet because maybe he's not really sure what to think when it comes to Sakura's feelings right now. She's the only one that will know, so why would he say that she doesn't when he doesn't even know, especially since they haven't exactly interacted with each other for him TO know? And even if he knew that she still loved Sasuke, how would that get rid of him noticing something with the way she interacted with Naruto? After all, just because you have feelings for one...doesn't mean you can't have feelings for another, right?

Edited by Qia, 25 January 2013 - 03:34 AM.

[Slextrem]

It is sad to hear that Nakamura supports the opposing pairing. You know I heard elsewhere on other forums that she was supposedly taking a break from the anime for a year. Is that true or is it just a farfetched rumor?

It's true, but it's not because she doesn't like the job. She's pregnant! It's something to be excited about!

@Slextrem

Are you sure Sakura's VA is a NaruHina fan? Maybe she liked chapter 615 because she's a fan of Hinata and liked seeing her get an important moment. Although I do hear she's a fan of SasuSaku, although I don't know how valid those rumors are.

Oh well, one can be a fan of a pairing and yet know that another is gonna be canon. I personally like NaruIno, but I know it will only be canon in my heart.

I'm sure she likes NaruHina, but I don't think she's an extreme shipper of it. She's definitely a fan of Hinata though, (perhaps explaining why she likes NaruHina somewhat?). She originally wanted to be Hinata's voice actress, but Pierrot thought she would suit Sakura's character better.

About the japanese voice actress of Sakura there was this video were she was asked if she liked sakura.

she said she didn't like sakura or something like that....... i was disappointed in the actress . I think the video was in this website awhile ago some one made topic out of it.

Don't be disappointed in her. She's entitled to her own opinion. I don't think she dislikes Sakura. From talking to her, I get the feeling that she feels neutral about her. It is true that she prefers Hinata though.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Qia,

What you are basically arguing is that Sakura loves Naruto because no one has yet said that she doesn't love Naruto or stated outright that every word of her confession was utter lie. This does leave open the possibility that Sakura has feelings for Naruto but at the same time you can't back that up with any real evidence.

My take is that Kakashi's reaction during Sakura's confession is him trying to figure out what exactly is going on. You know, "Sakura, what are you trying to do?" kind of way. What reason is there to believe that Sai just goes along with Naruto? Why can't Sai just know for himself that Sakura loves Sasuke? He has seen how Sakura reacted when she saw Sasuke and knows how much team 7 has been trying to get Sasuke back. It would not be hard for him to connect the dots.

The way I see it, it is pretty simple: During Sakura's confession, no one believes it. After Sakura is gone, everybody around seems to agree that she loves Sasuke: Sai and Naruto state it aloud, Kakashi and Yamato* never contradict this statement or dispute it. Conclusion: Confession = not true; Sakura loves Sasuke = undisputed fact.

*Yamato who is supposed to believe that Sakura loves Naruto, according to NS shippers' interpretion of the bridge scene. Even he never argues with Naruto, not during the confession or after it. Why doesn't he say anything like "Naruto, listen, I know for a fact that Sakura loves you, I have seen it with my very own eyes"? He never supports Sakura when she tries to claim to love Naruto. He just stares and is clearly as confused as the rest of them. Okay, so, maybe he didn't want to get involved as it was a bad time and a place. But why not pull Naruto aside later and tell him then?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 25 January 2013 - 03:38 AM.

[Atheck]

It's true, but it's not because she doesn't like the job. She's pregnant! It's something to be excited about!

That has me concerned because of its implications for the anime. If she isn't there then what becomes of Sakura in the anime for the next year? Or for the manga? Some of you have already addressed this but TBH I initially that one possible reason for her not being part of the anime this year is because of her lack of presence in any eventual non-filler. Of course now that you bring up the actual cause as to why it's not as severe as initially thought. Still, this could bring about some repercussions for Sakura in the anime. If what you guys said is true though then Nakamura's absence should be inconsequential to Sakura appearing in the manga. Hopefully...

Congratulations to Nakamura for her child.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I had a thought earlier about that confession scene. You know the part where Naruto says that he hates people who lie to themselves? I think that Naruto means himself, as well as Sakura. In that scene Naruto is offered the chance to be with the girl he has had romantic feelings for. If he goes for a kiss, Sakura will have to kiss him back. If Naruto wants to go to a date, Sakura will have to agree. She is trying to make him believe her love for him is true, after all. So right there Naruto has the opportunity to have a romantic relationship with Sakura. But the problem is that Naruto *just knows* that Sakura doesn't love him and that she still loves Sasuke. So he is offered the chance to be with Sakura but it comes with the price of knowing that their relationship is going to be based on a lie: Sakura will have to lie to love Naruto, and in order to have a relationship with Sakura, Naruto will pretty much have to lie to himself that Sakura loves him, not Sasuke. In the end Naruto rejects all of that by declaring that he can't stand people who lie to themselves: he does not want to become what he hates and does the only thing that he can do, rejects her and saves them both from life of lies.

*shrug* Maybe someone has thought of all that years ago but I only just now realized that.

Naruto's opinion on the confession can mean one of two things: Naruto's 100% right. Sakura doesn't love him at all, because he truly knows her that well. Or that Naruto's denseness doesn't allow him to consider she might love him. That's why that confession was nothing, but lies. Both can be argued, because both have some sort of point in it. They aren't just empty words with no backing.

That's part of why the confession is so controversial. But let me share my NS perspective. I see Naruto's denseness as the more plausible scenerio. It's common knowledge Naruto is completely oblivious to any form of a romantic gesture. He never realized Hinata's feelings for him until much later, which was always fairly easy to figure out (She blushes when she talks to you. Come on, Naruto ). To me, it makes perfect sense for Naruto to think the way he does. Ignore her increasing concern for you, ignore that time she flirted with you when you came back, and while you're at it, ignore the hug. However, it's also because the PoaL. It was so painful and impressionable for him, a protective blockade had imbedded itself into his heart. Naruto fully believed then he had no chance with Sakura, and who could blame him? It certainly seemed that way back then. Just an assumption here on my part, but I think Naruto is afraid to think she loves him and then be wrong. It would be terribly painful for him, it's hard to take that chance. That's what that protective wall is for IMO. It's also because he wants Sakura's happiness, but guarding his own love insecurities is another.

It was obvious Sakura was lying. Or in my eyes, "a unrealized truth, but a sincere lie". I doubt by then Sakura figured out her feelings for him, it seemed too soon. She showed no sign before this that she had, so the confession was unprepared. I'm completely convinced Sakura does love or at the very least has feelings for him, but her unworthiness of his love and lingering attachment to Sasuke prevent her from fully seeing it.

Naruto did turn down a chance to be with Sakura then, something I admire about him. If he didn't think she loved him, there's no way he'd accept such a thing. Despite how selfless Naruto is, it wasn't real enough for him. He knows he loves her, it wouldn't be fair to either of them. Naruto would constantly feel like Sasuke overshadows him in Sakura's heart and his insecurities would get in the way. Chances are, he'd probably feel his emotional attachment would be greater than Sakura's. And Sakura wouldn't be happy either. To him, it'd be false happiness.

I actually doubt Sakura would even be happy with Naruto either, despite being a NS fan. It's clear to me she had no idea if what she was saying was true or not, so that's not happiness. She was just doing so because she felt she had no choice in the situation Sakura was in.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 25 January 2013 - 03:57 AM.

[Qia]

Qia,

What you are basically arguing is that Sakura loves Naruto because no one has yet said that she doesn't love Naruto or stated outright that every word of her confession was utter lie. This does leave open the possibility that Sakura has feelings for Naruto but at the same time you can't back that up with any real evidence.

My take is that Kakashi's reaction during Sakura's confession is him trying to figure out what exactly is going on. You know, "Sakura, what are you trying to do?" kind of way. What reason is there to believe that Sai just goes along with Naruto? Why can't Sai just know for himself that Sakura loves Sasuke? He has seen how Sakura reacted when she saw Sasuke and knows how much team 7 has been trying to get Sasuke back. It would not be hard for him to connect the dots.

The way I see it, it is pretty simple: During Sakura's confession, no one believes it. After Sakura is gone, everybody around seems to agree that she loves Sasuke: Sai and Naruto state it aloud, Kakashi and Yamato* never contradict this statement or dispute it. Conclusion: Confession = not true; Sakura loves Sasuke = undisputed fact.

*Yamato who is supposed to believe that Sakura loves Naruto, according to NS shippers' interpretion of the bridge scene. Even he never argues with Naruto, not during the confession or after it. Why doesn't he say anything like "Naruto, listen, I know for a fact that Sakura loves you, I have seen it with my very own eyes"? He never supports Sakura when she tries to claim to love Naruto. He just stares and is clearly as confused as the rest of them. Okay, so, maybe he didn't want to get involved as it was a bad time and a place. But why not pull Naruto aside later and tell him then?

I know I can't. It's just my view of it, but it can't exactly be proven wrong yet either, right? There's just so many interpretations to this one scene, because not a lot was confirmed with it.

And alright. I never said that Sai necessarily disagrees with Naruto though, about her loving Sasuke btw. . And yea they agree that she still loves Sasuke, but none of them, except for Naruto of course, bring up whether she lied about loving Naruto too. It was just about Sasuke and her real intentions for coming there, and what she was planning to do with Sasuke next and why.

You ever thought he didn't say anything because he figured something else was up as well? Because, she even brought up Naruto's promise and asks him to stop chasing him. Of course he's going to wonder why she suddenly doesn't want to get her other teammate back and something MUST be up for that to happen. And asking that question is like asking why he didn't tell Naruto a long long time ago about what Sakura had said during the bridge scene. As you've already suggested, he probably just didn't want to get involved. It's not his place to do so. Another reason why he didn't tell Naruto about it later.

Besides, only Sakura can really say how deeply she feels. Best leave it up to her. And, since he was cutoff, he never really got to say what he thought, so how would he really know that she really does love him for sure if she wasn't able to reply in the first place, or hear what he had to say?

Edited by Qia, 25 January 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[rikakim94]

slextrem


Its good to her that shes at least neutral towards sakura i thought she hated her character.

But one thing that bothers me is that sakura gets way too much hate as a character even to the point studio pierrot
has to hate her, editors of the naruto manga might hate her and a random english voice actress (not kate higgins) hates her. There's a video about that in this website but its to depressing for me to post it.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I know I can't. It's just my view of it, but it can't exactly be proven wrong yet either, right? There's just so many interpretations to this one scene, because not a lot was confirmed with it.

And alright. I never said that Sai necessarily disagrees with Naruto though, about her loving Sasuke btw. . And yea they agree that she still loves Sasuke, but none of them, except for Naruto of course, bring up whether she lied about loving Naruto too. It was just about Sasuke and her real intentions for coming there, and what she was planning to do with Sasuke next and why.

You ever thought he didn't say anything because he figured something else was up as well? Because, she even brought up Naruto's promise and asks him to stop chasing him. Of course he's going to wonder why she suddenly doesn't want to get her other teammate back and something MUST be up for that to happen. And asking that question is like asking why he didn't tell Naruto a long long time ago about what Sakura had said during the bridge scene. As you've already suggested, he probably just didn't want to get involved. It's not his place to do so. Another reason why he didn't tell Naruto about it later.

Besides, only Sakura can really say how deeply she feels. Best leave it up to her. And, since he was cutoff, he never really got to say what he thought, so how would he really know that she really does love him for sure if she wasn't able to reply in the first place, or hear what he had to say?

Well, it can't be exactly proven wrong that Naruto is in love with Sasuke, can it? Or that Kakashi and Tsunade are secretly, very secretly, married, can it? There are so many things that can't be proven wrong. That is sort of why one is supposed to prove them to be true rather than wrong.

It is not so weird that Yamato did not bring up Sakura's feelings for Naruto before the confession. That truly was not his place to meddle and he didn't have any reason to involve himself in Naruto's and Sakura's possible relationship. (Or he didn't bring them up because he knows that there are not any feelings in the first place and that the bridge scene was nothing but a red herring). But during the confession chapters he had every reason to speak up as Naruto did not believe Sakura's love. If Yamato knows that Sakura is telling the truth, why not say so? He basically, if he knew that Sakura had feelings for Naruto, watched Naruto dismiss a genuine chance to be with Sakura. And he is just okay with letting these two lovers be apart because of a misunderstanding that he could easily have fixed?

I agree that only Sakura can confirm, either with her words or with her actions (like with a kiss), who she truly loves. But there is such a thing as circumstantial evidence, and Naruto's comments about SS are evidence like that. I would also personally argue that Sakura's actions during the summit arc fall perfectly in line with her being still in love with Sasuke. And then there are chapter 539 & 540 but that's a different conversation.

[Qia]

Well, it can't be exactly proven wrong that Naruto is in love with Sasuke, can it? Or that Kakashi and Tsunade are secretly, very secretly, married, can it? There are so many things that can't be proven wrong. That is sort of why one is supposed to prove them to be true rather than wrong.

It is not so weird that Yamato did not bring up Sakura's feelings for Naruto before the confession. That truly was not his place to meddle and he didn't have any reason to involve himself in Naruto's and Sakura's possible relationship. (Or he didn't bring them up because he knows that there are not any feelings in the first place and that the bridge scene was nothing but a red herring). But during the confession chapters he had every reason to speak up as Naruto did not believe Sakura's love. If Yamato knows that Sakura is telling the truth, why not say so? He basically, if he knew that Sakura had feelings for Naruto, watched Naruto dismiss a genuine chance to be with Sakura. And he is just okay with letting these two lovers be apart because of a misunderstanding that he could easily have fixed?

I agree that only Sakura can confirm, either with her words or with her actions (like with a kiss), who she truly loves. But there is such a thing as circumstantial evidence, and Naruto's comments about SS are evidence like that. I would also personally argue that Sakura's actions during the summit arc fall perfectly in line with her being still in love with Sasuke. And then there are chapter 539 & 540 but that's a different conversation.

How can I prove it to be true, however, if it's being put off for a later time, and certain moments to you are considered no more than red herrings? That's awfully difficult.

And no actually he still didn't for me. When Naruto questioned why and how she came to that decision, she immediately went into the Sasuke explanation and ended it with her asking him to give up on chasing Sasuke, which shouldn't have anything to do with the situation. By that point it was obvious to him that something else was up as well, no matter how much he may think that Sakura harbors feelings for Naruto. So of course he isn't going to say anything like that because he's more focused on why she even brought that up ( and Kakashi stopped him from saying anything so). That's why he didn't say anything, because he must have guessed by that point that something else might have brought Sakura here suddenly like that, requesting something of Naruto that is the opposite of what they've been doing together for a good while: Chasing Sasuke.

You can't depend on Naruto's comments too much when it comes to her having feelings for HIMSELF(not Sasuke. I'm not focused on her feelings for him for this). because, as RomanceG said, he may be afraid of getting hurt, and something like that may be really hard to believe for him at this point since she practically begged him to save Sasuke way way back then*cue young Sakura flashbacks* .

Edited by Qia, 25 January 2013 - 05:03 AM.