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[Sojobo]

We know that Sakura loves Sasuke as she stated that clearly. We know that Hinata loves Naruto since she also stated that clearly.

I agree.

I mean, I'm a NS fan, but this, we can't deny for the moment.

Sakura really loves Sasuke, it was proven, it's not a crush anymore, it's love.

It was never proven that Sakura has any romantic feelings for Naruto. Not even a clear hint of such possibility.

 

I'm tired about this argument. Of course, I agree that there is no proof (yet) about Sakura having romantic feelings for Naruto, but hints? Nah, I'm sorry, Zabuza's arc and Yamato's speech, that's all I have to say.

It was never proven that Naruto loves Sakura. What was proven is a crush, but whether it had developed into love - that is up to the debate. It is possible but it was never proven to be a fact (Sai's opinion is merely Sai's opinion and he can easily be wrong).

 

This NH fan just can't accept that fact, that's why he tries to deny it.

Sai confirmed it not so long ago. Being not fair in the pairing debate, that's why a lot of us and them have problems to be nice against each other.

It was also never proven that Naruto has any romantic feelings for Hinata. But it was proven to be perfectly possible now (chapter 615)

There is no hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata in the entire manga.

Hinata is just some confident for Naruto, a good friend, nothing more.

When Kishimoto will show us Naruto asking himself some questions about his feelings for Hinata or Sakura, or doubting about their strenght, blushing in her presence, than you can take that as a hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata. But right now, it's absolute zero. No sign about romantic feelings for the female Hyuuga.

There's no way in hell Naruto would be as retarded as to seriously go for Sakura - since he had known for a long time that it's FUTILE.

What Naruto knows isn't the truth.

Naruto doesn't know that Sakura cares a lot about him, that Sakura has talked with Yamato about her feelings for him, he doesn't know that Sakura can't confirm the nature of her feelings for him.

Naruto thinks that she loves Sasuke and basta... but it's more complicated than that.

This  is from mangafox the extreme super duper mega sugar spiced NaruHina fan (lol)

I'm a NS fan, and it's normal to support "more" the pairing you like.

But, this doesn't mean I have to deny everything that doesn't support NS.

Sakura loving Sasuke for example, I can't deny it, it was proven in the manga.

A fan can be objective, it's just a matter of being honest.

[HauntedCake]

I agree.

I mean, I'm a NS fan, but this, we can't deny for the moment.

Sakura really loves Sasuke, it was proven, it's not a crush anymore, it's love.

 

I'm tired about this argument. Of course, I agree that there is no proof (yet) about Sakura having romantic feelings for Naruto, but hints? Nah, I'm sorry, Zabuza's arc and Yamato's speech, that's all I have to say.

 

This NH fan just can't accept that fact, that's why he tries to deny it.

Sai confirmed it not so long ago. Being not fair in the pairing debate, that's why a lot of us and them have problems to be nice against each other.

There is no hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata in the entire manga.

Hinata is just some confident for Naruto, a good friend, nothing more.

When Kishimoto will show us Naruto asking himself some questions about his feelings for Hinata or Sakura, or doubting about their strenght, blushing in her presence, than you can take that as a hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata. But right now, it's absolute zero. No sign about romantic feelings for the female Hyuuga.

What Naruto knows isn't the truth.

Naruto doesn't know that Sakura cares a lot about him, that Sakura has talked with Yamato about her feelings for him, he doesn't know that Sakura can't confirm the nature of her feelings for him.

Naruto thinks that she loves Sasuke and basta... but it's more complicated than that.

I'm a NS fan, and it's normal to support "more" the pairing you like.

But, this doesn't mean I have to deny everything that doesn't support NS.

Sakura loving Sasuke for example, I can't deny it, it was proven in the manga.

A fan can be objective, it's just a matter of being honest.

Bolded: yeah she does but she can never justify this love she has. She has no defending arguments as to why she loves sasuke.

 

If only Sai would ask her why she loves sasuke

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bolded: yeah she does but she can never justify this love she has. She has no defending arguments as to why she loves sasuke.
 
If only Sai would ask her why she loves sasuke

If that happens, she probably go like, "Yes, I do love him. I mean...I care about him. And that is love, right?.....................right?...."

I guess Kishi dodged it by having Sai asked about trust rather than feelings. Then again, this is good enough.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 September 2013 - 09:19 PM.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Bolded: yeah she does but she can never justify this love she has. She has no defending arguments as to why she loves sasuke.

 

If only Sai would ask her why she loves sasuke

There would probably be a lot of blank panels with Sakura if he asked that.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I agree.

I mean, I'm a NS fan, but this, we can't deny for the moment.

Sakura really loves Sasuke, it was proven, it's not a crush anymore, it's love.

 

I'm tired about this argument. Of course, I agree that there is no proof (yet) about Sakura having romantic feelings for Naruto, but hints? Nah, I'm sorry, Zabuza's arc and Yamato's speech, that's all I have to say.

 

This NH fan just can't accept that fact, that's why he tries to deny it.

Sai confirmed it not so long ago. Being not fair in the pairing debate, that's why a lot of us and them have problems to be nice against each other.

There is no hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata in the entire manga.

Hinata is just some confident for Naruto, a good friend, nothing more.

When Kishimoto will show us Naruto asking himself some questions about his feelings for Hinata or Sakura, or doubting about their strenght, blushing in her presence, than you can take that as a hint about Naruto having romantic feelings for Hinata. But right now, it's absolute zero. No sign about romantic feelings for the female Hyuuga.

What Naruto knows isn't the truth.

Naruto doesn't know that Sakura cares a lot about him, that Sakura has talked with Yamato about her feelings for him, he doesn't know that Sakura can't confirm the nature of her feelings for him.

Naruto thinks that she loves Sasuke and basta... but it's more complicated than that.

I'm a NS fan, and it's normal to support "more" the pairing you like.

But, this doesn't mean I have to deny everything that doesn't support NS.

Sakura loving Sasuke for example, I can't deny it, it was proven in the manga.

A fan can be objective, it's just a matter of being honest.

 

I've not seen anything that proves to me that Sakura "really loves Sasuke", all I see is a crush that never had a chance to resolve itself after he left so abruptly. She's tittering between what she felt and the conflict of how her feelings have changed over time with her own maturity, she clings to her feelings for Sasuke because she doesn't know what else to do, there have been many instances that can easily contradict your statement that Sakura's love is 'proven'. She does care about Sasuke, there is no arguing that, and in that respect she does love him. But loving someone is not the same as being in love.

And before you accuse me of not being objective on account of my preference, I just want it made clear that this is how I've always felt about Sakura 'love' for Sasuke, long before I ever considered shipping NaruSaku.

[Hiraishin]

 
I check some of it, which I don't usually do but I had some free time right now. From what I gather they put a lot of effort in their explanations, but at the end of the day it's just ideas based out of the desire to see SS happen and not based on what the story actually is. I see a lot of rationalizing and overthinking, which is understandable considering SS is in a position where it needs to do so in order to keep believing it will happen.
 
I'm sure that somewhere deep inside their hearts they're aware that what we say in regards to NS is what goes in hand with proper story telling, but people are stubborn so there's no chance they'll admit we're right. In fact they'll call us delusional to further diminish our credibility in their minds and so justify what they believe in.
 
Sakura's love for Sasuke can easily be seen as the obstacle to overcome in order to fully love Naruto, which will not happen until the climax of her character arc. So instances like 540 can easily be seen as the continuation of that drama, which has reached a new stage as the idea of Sasuke as a "great guy" to love has been challenged in Sakura's mind for the first time.
 
To me, saying that Sakura still having feelings for Sasuke means SS will happen is the same as saying that Sasuke having thoughts about erasing his bond with Naruto means that he'll do so and achieve no redemption. Both scenes are obstacles in regards to each character's relationship with Naruto. Sasuke and Sakura are Naruto's most precious people, and the most important characters of the story as a whole after Naruto, so it's obvious that their relationship with Naruto would have the biggest struggles to overcome.
 
People make the mistake of attaching themselves so much to characters that they forget the story revolves around what Naruto fights for. NH fans gather around their liking for Hinata, and SS fans gather around their liking of Sakura (or more specifically her love for Sasuke, for whatever personal reasons). Those attachments make people forget that this series is about Naruto overcoming his obstacles and how the people around him are meant to change for the better as he does so.
 
The drama of the series is not about seeing your favorite character get whatever they want, it's about seeing them struggle with their conflicts as they are further influenced by Naruto. Naruto is there to make them realize that what they originally thought wanted was not what they really needed. Naruto did it with Zabuza, then Neji, then Gaara, then Tsunade, then Chiyo, then Nagato (and those are only the obvious ones).
 
Kakashi at the beginning always showed favoritism for Sasuke's development (something that pissed Naruto off), but during the Immortals arc he noticed Naruto's determination and acknowledged that: 1) Only he could surpass Minato and 2) That he had already surpassed Kakashi in a way. And now Kakashi has sworn to defend Naruto since he believes he's the key to the future. So even Kakashi has come full circle as a teacher to Naruto.
 
You also have Itachi having come to respect Naruto's determination so much that he entrusts to him the person he loves the most in the world, Sasuke. And you have the entire village going from hating Naruto's guts to now having some whispers about wanting him to become Hokage.
 
When you have a pattern like that is it really that hard to believe that Sakura will also follow through? Sasuke will obviously do given the climax of the series depends of it, but I don't understand why would they think that Sakura is the only person that would not follow the same progression as the rest, especially considering that she's Naruto's most precious person along with Sasuke.
 
Maybe they're thinking that Sakura's progression with Naruto was about hating him to just respecting him, but if that was the case then it was useless to have made her a love interest in the first place. The purpose of making her the girl Naruto likes and also someone who disliked him in the beginning was to intrigue the audience into seeing how Naruto would overcome that obstacle and finally have Sakura fall for him. In retrospect all of this is very obvious.

Awesome, awesome post! I love hearing people talk about the pairings from a literary point-of-view, and that's probably the best way because, considering what you've said and more, the pairing endgame is obvious. Tbh it was clear since chapter 3 that NaruSaku would happen.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I've not seen anything that proves to me that Sakura "really loves Sasuke", all I see is a crush that never had a chance to resolve itself after he left so abruptly. She's tittering between what she felt and the conflict of how her feelings have changed over time with her own maturity, she clings to her feelings for Sasuke because she doesn't know what else to do, there have been many instances that can easily contradict your statement that Sakura's love is 'proven'. She does care about Sasuke, there is no arguing that, and in that respect she does love him. But loving someone is not the same as being in love.

And before you accuse me of not being objective on account of my preference, I just want it made clear that this is how I've always felt about Sakura 'love' for Sasuke, long before I ever considered shipping NaruSaku.

I think the same, when she thinks about Sasuke is always about the past but not the future, unlike Naruto or even Sasuke she never had dream or an objective to follow, we can argue that Naruto give her an objective(support him) but i dont know and i think even she doesnt know what she really wants.

I think she's still going to be confronted about life and this stuff.

 

Sakura has still to grown up.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 September 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

 

I'm spoiler tagging this because it's long, involves discussions of cultural outlooks on love and might be off topic

When I first explored the Naruto fandom online, I was shocked that there was a debate as to which couple would be the endgame pairing (if there was to be an endgame pairing).  I wasn't a NaruSaku fan at the time, I didn't dislike the pairing (as I did NH and SS), but because of my issues with the way females are presented in the manga --specifically females in relationships-- I didn't want the manga to end with Sakura being in a relationship.  I love her as a kunoichi, I love her as a badass medic, I love the tension my headcanon has created for her (and other combat medics) in terms of the two opposing natures of being a combat medic, and I just didn't want all of that to go to waste, if that makes sense, but I still realized that there was a 99.9% chance that the manga would end with NS.  For one thing, Naruto is going to get the girl.  Most people are sure that Naruto will become Hokage, most people are sure that Naruto will gain Sasuke's acknowledgement and will successfully lead Sasuke to redeem himself, so why is there a debate as to whether or not Naruto will succeed in wooing the girl he's been interested since the beginning?  Additionally, the writing for Naruto and Sakura, it was clear to me that the pair was written in such a way to show their compatibility --the fact that they could work well together in intimate instances.  Why else make it clear in part one that Inner Sakura --the real Sakura-- was so similar to Naruto, that an aspect of her growth would involve her ability to fully embrace her real self?  To me, it was obvious though I wasn't completely happy about it (a small part of me did want NS to be endgame, just because I felt it would be horrible writing for any other Naruto-centric couple to become endgame, but mostly I wanted Sakura to be single/focused on her professional career), but because I wasn't a shipper though I would debate for NS from a logical perspective I didn't take much time to explore the inner workings of shipping in the fandom, and I didn't spend too much time exploring why there was such a cultural divide between the Japanese fandom (and the Greater Asian fandom) vs. the American/Western fandom.

 

After becoming a shipper, however, I have explored what some explanations for this divide could be and I think a lot of it is cultural and not just limited to differing views on romance, but also a few other things.  I am Asian American (East Indian to be specific), and not Japanese American, so some of my examples will relate to Indian culture.  I want to make it clear, I'm not stating or assuming that Indian and Japanese cultures are identical or even similar, I'll just be posting some examples of how romance and love in other cultures are viewed extremely than they are in American culture.

 

• In Indian culture, while it is understood that love is a feeling, for the most part "love" is an action.  In the Indian languages that I know how to say "I love you," the exact translation would be "I am loving you" or "I am liking you" and even when saying "I love you" in English or using the English word "love," even though grammatically it's used properly the love is still thought of as "active," it's something that one is doing rather than something that one is feeling.  Love, in Indian culture, is about the feeling of love but the fact that you trust this person/these people implicitly, that you'll always have each others backs (though you'll reprimand each other in private if it's needed), you can show your worst side to the person you love, you don't have to say thank you, you can be open, honest, just be yourself and if that works with the other person, if you two understand each other then the love is real.
• One major cultural difference with respect to romantic love between the US and India is that in the US we have this idea that if you're head-over-heels in love with someone, you want to show that off.  PDA is considered sweet, if you love someone, you want to express it, you want to touch that person, you want to show that to the world.  In Indian culture, it is the very opposite.  If you are head-over-heels in love with someone, if it's real love, then you don't need to show it.  The people involved know what's going on.  It doesn't mean that the occasional public flirtation, secret/stolen looks, hand holding when crossing a busy street, hug, or placing an arm over one's shoulder is a sign that the love is less real, just that it's not necessary and when public displays of affection occur it should be for practical purposes (so that you don't get separated when in an over-crowded place), or because you're having so much fun interacting with each other than you block out the public/forget that you're in public and have an intimate moment (essentially, a private moment accidentally becomes a public moment).
• I have a feeling that this might be applicable to Japanese culture, but I'm not 100% sure.  In American culture when it comes to fictional romances, I feel that as a community we often prefer impractical, non-compatible love.  We like to watch a pair who would not work out in the real world, interact, come to an understanding while also not compromising their personalities, and ultimately working it out, ending up together, becoming a couple.  While impractical, non-compatible love is popular in fiction in many Asian cultures, as far as I know for the most part across many Asian cultures these sort of love stories tend to be tragic.  One half of the pairing dies, both individuals die, the couple loves each other but can't be together for whatever reason etc etc.  In Asian cultures, in fiction compatible love, practical love more often than not gets the happy ending.  As a result, little moments that build up the foundation of a relationship is seen as romantic as much as or even more than the larger moments.  Working together, having the ability to work together, getting along, having respect/admiration for one another, understanding one another (learning to understand one another/being able to speak for one another/predicting one another's upcoming actions) that is romantic, but not so in the US.  In the US fiction, hugs, kisses, chemistry, lust, drama, angst, the need to reveal feelings/the need to be together at the wrong time, that's the preferred romantic story and while that's so in the East that's usually tragic.  I guess a simple way to state it is that while in the US fictional romance is often prefered among individuals who make it work despite not having a practical foundation for the relationship to work, while in Asian cultures successful fictional romantic relationships are shown to work because of the foundation built.  In the East, the little things that in the West are dismissed as "purely platonic" matter to illustrate that a romantic relationship between these two individuals could actually, realistically work out.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, opinions, observations.  No real scholarly opinions, but just based on my experience being a child of the West and the East.  But even though this isn't specifically about Japanese culture vs Western/US culture, I hope I've given some examples indicating that love can be analyzed/observed/depicted etc differently in different cultures.  Sorry it's so long.

 

Interesting comparison.  I agree due to cultural differences we see things differently, but that's why having an open mind, and being willing to do research of why this particular aspect is the way it is in this particular country to be able to understand and not judge. I understand how other countries could get that impression of the US wanting to show off their love.  That stems from the "love at first sight" cliche, where infatuation controls one's actions, over the new object of affection.  I don't know how many works of fiction have used this concept, but no doubt many.  I agree with NarSaku4Life that many hate Sakura, because of how she acted in the beginning.  Fans will not let that go.

 

Bolded:  This why I have problem with many of the US TV romances.   The commons one I see are this kind of romance that can be taken for show, but has no substance.  I don't want a couple to be kissing, or implying sexual innuendos to show they are together.  I'd rather have the practical stuff by discussing and experiencing things together, that kind of storytelling.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Here's an argument I came across on youtube. It was over Sakura's confession.

 

NH fan:People don't talk about this episode much, but the script is heavily underrated.

Not only did she lie to his face about loving him, she along with everyone else want him to give up on saving Sasuke (who he feels is like a brother).  I don't blame Naruto for almost dying from hyperventilation. Shame on this stupid kitten, Sakura. She'll always be a Sasuke groupie. I'm going to laugh so hard when NaruHina actually happens and then all the idiots that doubted it decide to reject Kishi's writing.

 

NS fan: NaruHina won't be canon, because Naruto loves Sakura, and not Hinata.

 

NH fan: It's not love. It's just lust. Like nowadays you see alot of girls that dye their hair pink or bright red (skanks) like Nikki Minaj.

That's all it is, just lust for nasty freaks.

 

NS fan: It's not lust, it IS love. Naruto himself stated it.

Plus, Sakura's hair color is Natural, even if that's not a hair color that occurs naturally in real life.

 

NH fan: Wtf? When did Naruto say he loves Sakura?

 

NS fan: He said it over and over again.

The reason why never said said it TO SAKURA was because, as he said himself, he doesn't feel he deserve her.

 

NH fan: Lol you just made it up. He never deliberately said he's in love with Sakura. Tell me what chapter he says it, or gtfo.

 

NS fan: Or you can tell me one time when he said he's not in love with her, or that he's in love with Hinata.

Why would he even use the honorific suffix "chan" with a girl he doesn't love?!

I can't memorize numbers and I don't read the manga from the beginning. Sue me.

 

NH fan: LOL! "chan" is your explanation now? rofl.

Naruto doesn't have to say anything. I'm simply calling out your BS statement. He never said he loved her.

Hinata told him directly and truthfully that she loves him. She stopped him from going to Obito and slapped him to not give up. That's something a wife does.

Sakura only hits Naruto out of spite because she's always thinks of him as a loser.

 

NS fan: does Naruto need to spell it out for you? The talk with Sai where Sai asks Naruto if he loves Sakura, Naruto says yes.

He says why he can't tell Sakura and why he has NOT brought up his feelings. You need more than that?

No, a wife is someone that is THERE all the time and supports you in your WHOLE life. Not shows up out of nowhere when you are about to die or starve. SAME relationship as police and citizens.

You don't read manga? The wives and GF's always hit their loves for COMEDY.

 

NH fan: LOL do all NaruSaku fans inherently make up a bunch of BS? Naruto never said such a thing. rofl, this is too hilarious how you people keep making things up on the fly. It's like you're so programmed for your fantasies to become "reality" that you make up stories that are not true. Back up your claims with a source at least.

I promise you NaruHina will happen. And when it does happen, I will come back here to rub it in all your faces while you predictably reject Kishi's writing.

 

NS fan: Really? 457 page 11,12 disagrees with you. Do all Naruhina fans have selective reading problems?

Haha! I love that you know NOTHING of manga romances. If you did, you would eat your words.

In manga, there's ALWAYS the main character, the girl the main character likes and the shy character that loves the main character.

Guess who always end up together?

There's a reason Naruto hasn't responded to Hinata. I can't wait to see your face when Naruto gets the girl he's been loving since the start.

 

NH fan: Really? Keeping a promise of bringing back her crush to show her that he loves her (correction: translation says "LIKE", not "love". The Japanese are very specific about this.)

riiiight that makes a whole lot of sense. As for his word/promises, that has nothing to do with his love interests. You're twisting his words around. Suppose Sakura rejects him? then what, he becomes a rapist because "he never goes back on his word"? lol please...

 

NS fan:If Hinata is allowed to be in "love" or "like" Naruto when she spent NO time with him other than her stalking, Naruto's is double.

The sacrifice he goes thru for Sakura every day without trying to get anything in return is the ultimate act of love.

His choices ARE him Juny. EVERY NH fan always says that his romance is different than his other choices despite the fact that what you CHOOSE says who you are. EVERY choice matches Naruto.

Did you not see Jiraiya? That's who he would become. (This post was also spammed)

 

NH fan: He sacrifices himself for all the main characters. He does throughout the whole series It just seems special to YOU w/ Sakura because she's always around since they're team mates. Nothing more, nothing less.

1 thing that caught my attention: You say that Hinata only helps Naruto during extreme moments. This only proves that she's one of the few people that truly believes in him and doesn't breast feed him like a baby.

Better to have a lover that respects you than to have a child rely on u.

 

NS fan: You are completely wrong about Hinata's reasons not to help Naruto until things get extreme.

She WANTS to help him, but isn't courageous enough. When she got in Pain's way to defend Naruto, it was because she was sure he wouldn't survive. But she was sure she wouldn't survive either, so she was just wasting her life.

What she lacks isn't respect for Naruto, it's self-respect. (This post was also spammed)

 

NH fan: Fail. She defended him for so many good reasons its not even funny. dont go bashing such a good character without getting the facts straight first.

 

NS fan: Really? Name 5

Hinata good character? That's a good one.

 

NH fan/Sakura basher: Really Sakura useful? That's a good one too.

 

NS fan: She just saved over a thousand ninjas. So yeah, she's useful.

 

End.

 

 

Please don't take any of this as bashing or hating on Hinata or the NH fanbase. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about this argument in particular. I just copy and pasted the words, and didn't edit anything out.

 

There were some other arguments, but I'm not going to waste my time copy and pasting them here. Most of the arguments are just the typical "Hinata deserves Naruto because she never hit him unlike Sakura" BS they like to come up with.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, live tv shows seems to have problems on making a realistic and believable relationship, which is ironic. Ok I just woke up. No podcast for me today. I was going to talk about that sketch but another time. That said I owe someone a post. Excuse me.

[Question22]

So i have a question whatt is the diffrence between NH and SS?

[Strangelove]

So i have a question whatt is the diffrence between NH and SS?

 

I hope I am not bashing here.

 

One was dead on arrival, the other died as the story progressed.

[deviouslyChaotic]

So i have a question whatt is the diffrence between NH and SS?

SasuSaku: Teammates. Interacted/talked with each other to some extent. Crush developed from shallow attributes (Sasuke's cool, mysterious nature as well as his good looks). Not necessarily shy concerning crush. Murder attempts. Emotionally damaging [to Sakura]. Considered more dramatic than NH as well as NS.

NaruHina: Not teammates. Barely interact/talk with each other even compared to SS. Crush developed from admiring Naruto's will and such. Too shy to approach crush. No murder attempts. Not emotionally damaging. Considered a "sweet" or "cute" pairing.

 

Similarities: 

Both wished to gain acknowledgement from respective crushes. Both developed crushes before getting to know who their crush really was. Both desperately confessed to respective crushes and neither received a definite answer. Both pairings generally revolve around what the girls want. Both girls from respective pairings generally "cling" to their feelings and crushes.

Edited by deviouslyChaotic, 29 September 2013 - 01:44 AM.

[morgaine4]

You forgot she's 'flat chested' even though it's been stated she has double B's. 

 

Not trying to be a pervert or anything, but the 'flat chested' argument is one of the dumbest things I've come a cross. I wasn't aware it mattered with fictional characters. 

 

Fictional or not, one's bust size should have no bearing when it comes to the content of one's character.

 

 

I agree.

I mean, I'm a NS fan, but this, we can't deny for the moment.

Sakura really loves Sasuke, it was proven, it's not a crush anymore, it's love.

 

Sakura and Hinata have both stated that they love Sasuke and Naruto, they both think that they love Sasuke and Naruto, and I agree that to some extent when debating we have to do so under the assumption that Sakura and Hinata love Sasuke and Naruto respectively; however, I don't think it's wrong to debate the nature of their "love," and to conclude that though they both think that they love those respective boys, that their love is not based on something that's real, an understanding of who those boys are, or the entirety of their persons.  Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are still based upon inaccruate information, in part 1 (the best writing that SS got, but still pretty bad writing) she misunderstood him, now she understands him and doesn't want to "love" him, but something is keeping her feelings alive.   What is that?  I'm not sure what it is, but it's been clear that Sakura loves who she believes the old Sasuke was, she doesn't love who Sasuke is or who he has become.  And Hinata, she says she loves Naruto, but does she know him?  She loves that he never gives up, she loves that despite how often he was underestimated he worked hard to prove all the naysayers wrong, she loves her nindo, but she still has a misunderstanding of what motivates him.  So Hinata loves his nindo, how she understands his nindo, and what she assumes about him because of how his nindo affects and motivate her.  So do Sakura and Hinata love Sasuke and Naruto respectively?  Yes, but it's pretty clear that both these girls love their vision of both of those boys, not necessarily who they actually are.  That doesn't mean that the feelings that they have aren't real, but once both of these girls mature a bit and realize this difference I doubt it would be hard for them to move on.

 

 

So i have a question whatt is the diffrence between NH and SS?

 

I find that they're both detrimental in different ways.  SS is borderline abusive (has the potential to be abusive), for Sasuke Sakura will act as someone else, Sakura becomes submissive to a fault, Sakura loses her spark.  NH, though not abusive is also detrimental, Hinata's feelings for Naruto causes her to act just like Naruto despite not having the mindset or stamina that he does, rather than taking his nindo and applying to herself in a manner that would allow her to be successful, she just copies him and almost every time that puts her or someone she should love near death's door, or dead.  How are they different?  Well I guess I'd say that neither of these two relationships are likely, SS has a slightly higher chance of becoming endgame IF Naruto never accepts that Sakura could love him/stop loving Sasuke, though this won't happen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Are those american animated films? Can you tell me the titles since I don't seem to recall seeing them as a kid? Or are they from recent times?

Certainly.

 

List of movies with explanation

Note: Obviously some of them won't based on human sized characters as well as there are other animated movies.

 

Wall-E: Wall-e, the protagonist, is an old robot with basic technique: clean. Then, a female bot from that current time is very powerful, but Wall-e fallen in love with it. She is very strict and has a blaster that can destroy a ship in ease, which Wall-e is like "Holy sheet" without talking, of course. She is far superior and scary as the other is just normal but a big heart (irony). Needless to say, they hit it off with developments and such. It's a great movie. I did wish the movie was always the same for second half as the second part is more about how technology can create humanity into unmotivated species.

 

Ratatouille: One of my favorite animated movie and a good example of a scary woman. The protagonist or one of the two, the other is a rat, is just a guy who live pretty much a low life style as he feels like he got nothing to go, so the rat and him teamwork to cook. He gotten better in reputation, so he was paired up with his love interest, who she didn't joke about cooking not one bit. So he tried to play cool but then a knife to his sleeves, so she talks and pretty much scared him, yet he loves it. She threatened him if not following her, she will kill him. Needless to say, in the middle, they got together. Oddly enough, I fantasized one scenario from this movie in Naruto form with the part where if Naruto were to become Hokage, Team 7 is pretty much disbanded and Sakura would look worried.

 

How to Train Your Dragon: One of my all-time favorites and Kishi's favorite movie. That's right, if you don't know the premise, well here's the story. Hiccup, the protagonist, is a loser and can't do anything worthy, and in the intro, when introducing the other characters, when it came to Astrid, he said it like he has a huge crush, which he did by his expressions. This is the closest you'll get with tsundere traits in USA animated film, because she hits him to show affection, she is scary, she is strong, etc. I do wonder why Kishi loves this movie. Well some of them are answered here.

 

There are many others, including ones that only have one or two scary moment that says, "Be afraid." I know some uses attack on a guy to show affection, much similar to chapter 450, such as How to Train Your Dragon, Chicken Run, etc. Not only that but it appears to have women who are adventurous, alive, scary, stronger than the guy in casual day or even in general, and more of equal standing with the guy. Not once I have seen a shy girl in my collection, only what I listed above. So why Hinata get this amount of praise? Is it because there are fans that came from Shoujo, even some of them still works differently than Naruto? Is it because they don't want to root for Sakura since she is the character that they hate with a passion. My point is that it's not childhood and/or animated movies that make them think otherwise. But the real point is that Kishi is writing a story for all family, mainly teenagers, like how a Pixar film is, when they put their efforts into it. RtN is also an example of this. Remember, this series is meant to have a moral and so, if it's closed to animated films, that mean that his writing standard for this series. Don't expect a live series complications such as this main character dies in the middle, dilemma in a relationship like one cheated over another, etc. It's simple story telling with complex details. That's all I wanted to point out.

 

Yes, I am a fan of these films. Quite frankly, if you ever read my blog in this site, I love the imaginations, the designs, everything that you can only do in animated films. I do watch live action films of course, but I just prefer the first more because at times, it is more clever than the live one and the live one usually have a problem of making it complicated that is not really needed because it can actually hurt the characters. That and when it comes to use imagination technique in real life, it looks odd. Really odd at times. Plus, animated are timeless, most of the time. And man, their soundtracks seem to have more work than the real life one, though some of them are really great too. Anyway, enough of my biasness, that's all I came to say.

 

So, I see great responses for the question on difference of NH/SS. Great readings. Fun random fact: the facebook of Kishi (not real) advertised the episode of Team 7 reunion in dub, and it has a screencap of NS bridal save. Favoritism. That said well, there are nice comments though few are whatever. I just want to let you guys know.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Certainly.

 

List of movies with explanation

Note: Obviously some of them won't based on human sized characters as well as there are other animated movies.

 

Wall-E: Wall-e, the protagonist, is an old robot with basic technique: clean. Then, a female bot from that current time is very powerful, but Wall-e fallen in love with it. She is very strict and has a blaster that can destroy a ship in ease, which Wall-e is like "Holy sheet" without talking, of course. She is far superior and scary as the other is just normal but a big heart (irony). Needless to say, they hit it off with developments and such. It's a great movie. I did wish the movie was always the same for second half as the second part is more about how technology can create humanity into unmotivated species.

 

Ratatouille: One of my favorite animated movie and a good example of a scary woman. The protagonist or one of the two, the other is a rat, is just a guy who live pretty much a low life style as he feels like he got nothing to go, so the rat and him teamwork to cook. He gotten better in reputation, so he was paired up with his love interest, who she didn't joke about cooking not one bit. So he tried to play cool but then a knife to his sleeves, so she talks and pretty much scared him, yet he loves it. She threatened him if not following her, she will kill him. Needless to say, in the middle, they got together. Oddly enough, I fantasized one scenario from this movie in Naruto form with the part where if Naruto were to become Hokage, Team 7 is pretty much disbanded and Sakura would look worried.

 

How to Train Your Dragon: One of my all-time favorites and Kishi's favorite movie. That's right, if you don't know the premise, well here's the story. Hiccup, the protagonist, is a loser and can't do anything worthy, and in the intro, when introducing the other characters, when it came to Astrid, he said it like he has a huge crush, which he did by his expressions. This is the closest you'll get with tsundere traits in USA animated film, because she hits him to show affection, she is scary, she is strong, etc. I do wonder why Kishi loves this movie. Well some of them are answered here.

 

There are many others, including ones that only have one or two scary moment that says, "Be afraid." I know some uses attack on a guy to show affection, much similar to chapter 450, such as How to Train Your Dragon, Chicken Run, etc. Not only that but it appears to have women who are adventurous, alive, scary, stronger than the guy in casual day or even in general, and more of equal standing with the guy. Not once I have seen a shy girl in my collection, only what I listed above. So why Hinata get this amount of praise? Is it because there are fans that came from Shoujo, even some of them still works differently than Naruto? Is it because they don't want to root for Sakura since she is the character that they hate with a passion. My point is that it's not childhood and/or animated movies that make them think otherwise. But the real point is that Kishi is writing a story for all family, mainly teenagers, like how a Pixar film is, when they put their efforts into it. RtN is also an example of this. Remember, this series is meant to have a moral and so, if it's closed to animated films, that mean that his writing standard for this series. Don't expect a live series complications such as this main character dies in the middle, dilemma in a relationship like one cheated over another, etc. It's simple story telling with complex details. That's all I wanted to point out.

 

Yes, I am a fan of these films. Quite frankly, if you ever read my blog in this site, I love the imaginations, the designs, everything that you can only do in animated films. I do watch live action films of course, but I just prefer the first more because at times, it is more clever than the live one and the live one usually have a problem of making it complicated that is not really needed because it can actually hurt the characters. That and when it comes to use imagination technique in real life, it looks odd. Really odd at times. Plus, animated are timeless, most of the time. And man, their soundtracks seem to have more work than the real life one, though some of them are really great too. Anyway, enough of my biasness, that's all I came to say.

 

So, I see great responses for the question on difference of NH/SS. Great readings. Fun random fact: the facebook of Kishi (not real) advertised the episode of Team 7 reunion in dub, and it has a screencap of NS bridal save. Favoritism. That said well, there are nice comments though few are whatever. I just want to let you guys know.

LOL! Even in real life a boy and a girl who fight like this usually end up together. My GF hits me all the time (usually after I did something dumb). Could I block her strikes? Sure. Could I dodge them and run like hell away from her? Yes. But I take her punches and live with it. 

 

Naruto is no different from me in that regard...but my GF doesn;t send me flying half way across the globe either sooo...

 

That could be an advantage for Naruto actually.

 

Naruto: Sakura-chan, I need a fast way to the Sand village! Any ideas?

 

Sakura: Sure. Stand right there.

 

Naruto: What are you doing with those gloves?

 

*SAKURA PAWNCH!!!!*

 

Naruto: I'M BLASTING OFF AGAIIIIIIIIN! *lands in Gaara's office*

 

Gaara: Wha? Naruto, how'd you get here so fast?

 

Naruto: I took Sakura Uzumaki airlines...

Edited by Fairy Tail Fantard, 29 September 2013 - 03:19 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

LOL! Even in real life a boy and a girl who fight like this usually end up together. My GF hits me all the time (usually after I did something dumb). Could I block her strikes? Sure. Could I dodge them and run like hell away from her? Yes. But I take her punches and live with it. 

 

Naruto is no different from me in that regard...but my GF doesn;t send me flying half way across the globe either sooo...

 

That could be an advantage for Naruto actually.

 

Naruto: Sakura-chan, I need a fast way to the Sand village! Any ideas?

 

Sakura: Sure. Stand right there.

 

Naruto: What are you doing with those gloves?

 

*SAKURA PAWNCH!!!!*

 

Naruto: I'M BLASTING OFF AGAIIIIIIIIN! *lands in Gaara's office*

Same here. I could always block, but nope, just get what I deserved for dumb actions. So yeah, in anime, it's over exaggerated but that's how they work. In US animation, it's real as it can be in that world, so it depends. Like one character can block an attack with no movement, only hurts another, so when the guy strikes her, he felt the pain. It's comedy.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Same here. I could always block, but nope, just get what I deserved for dumb actions. So yeah, in anime, it's over exaggerated but that's how they work. In US animation, it's real as it can be in that world, so it depends. Like one character can block an attack with no movement, only hurts another, so when the guy strikes her, he felt the pain. It's comedy.

You know it's funny; I tend to playfully hit the guys I like whenever they say or do something excruciatingly stupid haha. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here, the "hits" (I like to think of it as a forceful tap ) are not violent or abusive but rather more on the lighthearted and good-natured side. Usually, the boys tend to laugh along with me and just go with it. No one is harmed physically or mentally. They're aware that it's all in good nature and that I am not intending to inflict pain on them but rather demonstrate with my actions as to how I felt concerning their silly antics. They know I'm not being serious or stern per say, but rather humorous/comical. I like to think of it as a "love tap" haha.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know it's funny; I tend to playfully hit the guys I like whenever they say or do something excruciatingly stupid haha. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here, the "hits" (I like to think of it as a forceful tap ) are not violent or abusive but rather more on the lighthearted and good-natured side. Usually, the boys tend to laugh along with me and just go with it. No one is harmed physically or mentally. They're aware that it's all in good nature and that I am not intending to inflict pain on them but rather demonstrate with my actions as to how I felt concerning their silly antics. They know I'm not being serious or stern per say, but rather humorous/comical. I like to think of it as a "love tap" haha.

I know what you mean. Haha. If you can be understood your way of hitting guys, why can't anyone else. Honestly, they should just say, "I hate her because I do." I know they can have a legit reason but if they say that, it makes you wonder.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

I just don't understand why there's so much hatred for Sakura because of her 'abusiveness' towards Naruto. At least she's not Elmer Fudd! She's not shooting him in the face with a hunting rifle every ten seconds! Which is more than I can say for Daffy Duck...