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[TouKen4Life3g]

You forgot she's 'flat chested' even though it's been stated she has double B's. 
 
Not trying to be a pervert or anything, but the 'flat chested' argument is one of the dumbest things I've come a cross. I wasn't aware it mattered with fictional characters. 

Oh yeah, that. Still, I don't understand anything. Heck, add to my last post, the girl is also not the highest quality, though they can really be when they actually do something that's once in a lifetime moment. Everyday beauty can be boring afterward, which is why when it happens, it makes the guy "o_o". That being said those girls usually ends up with the protagonist. So again, why Sakura is different when she's not.

[Question22]

You know what i think even when  Naruto and Sakura kiss they will deny it with twisted logic that aren't even  logics

 

Since this a shounen manga  when the mc falls in love with girl he first sees its most LIKELY tha he will try to win her hearth

 

and end up with her :)

 

As for Hinata i think she would get a chance in a shojo series

Edited by Question22, 28 September 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know what i think even when  Naruto and Sakura kiss they will deny it with twisted logic that aren't even  logics

"They kiss each other because they both want to know how it feels like." The funny thing is that I actually imagined once that Sakura gets so overjoyed to see Naruto back, she kiss him and then click, she just notices it, only to go all tsundere by saying, "Yes, well, you needed to know how it's like since you're the guy that girls would take you as an idiot, so there you have it." Though Naruto can see her bs and then a real kiss happens.

[BlueStarSaber]

Threaten Kishimoto? Just over a fictional pairing? Wow...I...can't even say what I'm thinking right now. That is so...I can;t even say it without bashing, so I'm not going to.

 

NH/SS fans who say that seriously need to find another series or something to watch. Because that's just stupid.

 

They might of been joking but who knows. The only guy I can think of that might would be someone called VJ something.

[redragon88]

 

I know!

 

I mean look at this...

SasuSaku Rant

 

 

To the mods, this is not me bashing, or trying to lead other members into bashing other fandom/s. I just linked this here so people can see the reasons why they ship opposites ships. And that's all, nothing more. My apology in advance.

 

I check some of it, which I don't usually do but I had some free time right now. From what I gather they put a lot of effort in their explanations, but at the end of the day it's just ideas based out of the desire to see SS happen and not based on what the story actually is. I see a lot of rationalizing and overthinking, which is understandable considering SS is in a position where it needs to do so in order to keep believing it will happen.

 

I'm sure that somewhere deep inside their hearts they're aware that what we say in regards to NS is what goes in hand with proper story telling, but people are stubborn so there's no chance they'll admit we're right. In fact they'll call us delusional to further diminish our credibility in their minds and so justify what they believe in.

 

Sakura's love for Sasuke can easily be seen as the obstacle to overcome in order to fully love Naruto, which will not happen until the climax of her character arc. So instances like 540 can easily be seen as the continuation of that drama, which has reached a new stage as the idea of Sasuke as a "great guy" to love has been challenged in Sakura's mind for the first time.

 

To me, saying that Sakura still having feelings for Sasuke means SS will happen is the same as saying that Sasuke having thoughts about erasing his bond with Naruto means that he'll do so and achieve no redemption. Both scenes are obstacles in regards to each character's relationship with Naruto. Sasuke and Sakura are Naruto's most precious people, and the most important characters of the story as a whole after Naruto, so it's obvious that their relationship with Naruto would have the biggest struggles to overcome.

 

People make the mistake of attaching themselves so much to characters that they forget the story revolves around what Naruto fights for. NH fans gather around their liking for Hinata, and SS fans gather around their liking of Sakura (or more specifically her love for Sasuke, for whatever personal reasons). Those attachments make people forget that this series is about Naruto overcoming his obstacles and how the people around him are meant to change for the better as he does so.

 

The drama of the series is not about seeing your favorite character get whatever they want, it's about seeing them struggle with their conflicts as they are further influenced by Naruto. Naruto is there to make them realize that what they originally thought wanted was not what they really needed. Naruto did it with Zabuza, then Neji, then Gaara, then Tsunade, then Chiyo, then Nagato (and those are only the obvious ones).

 

Kakashi at the beginning always showed favoritism for Sasuke's development (something that pissed Naruto off), but during the Immortals arc he noticed Naruto's determination and acknowledged that: 1) Only he could surpass Minato and 2) That he had already surpassed Kakashi in a way. And now Kakashi has sworn to defend Naruto since he believes he's the key to the future. So even Kakashi has come full circle as a teacher to Naruto.

 

You also have Itachi having come to respect Naruto's determination so much that he entrusts to him the person he loves the most in the world, Sasuke. And you have the entire village going from hating Naruto's guts to now having some whispers about wanting him to become Hokage.

 

When you have a pattern like that is it really that hard to believe that Sakura will also follow through? Sasuke will obviously do given the climax of the series depends of it, but I don't understand why would they think that Sakura is the only person that would not follow the same progression as the rest, especially considering that she's Naruto's most precious person along with Sasuke.

 

Maybe they're thinking that Sakura's progression with Naruto was about hating him to just respecting him, but if that was the case then it was useless to have made her a love interest in the first place. The purpose of making her the girl Naruto likes and also someone who disliked him in the beginning was to intrigue the audience into seeing how Naruto would overcome that obstacle and finally have Sakura fall for him. In retrospect all of this is very obvious.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^Great post. Also, i would like to say that if Sakura is about respecting him, why not end the development in part 1 then. Instead, the manga still continues to develop further and they already reached to the pinnacle level of friendship. So yeah, you know what's next.

[redragon88]

The next one I got is the girl is too scary or too pushy, for the lack of better words. So you're saying we need to make girls into our object, then? That's offensive. Hell, ever heard takes two to tango. Well there you have it. The funny thing is that they say Sakura is scary, mean, or pushy yet going back to animated films, there are tons of them. In fact, women have been portrayed to be the dominant one without being dominant. You got one who is too strong in power, you got one who is dead serious on her hobby, you got one who is a superior on spy, you got one who will hurt you if talks about her history that the protagonist isn't aware, you got one who is a strong warrior that can beat the protagonist in ease, and the list goes on. Hell, not even Disney stoops this low. Well you could argue the old age one but not the 90s and up. So again, why the hate. Kudos to guess where all of them are from.

 

Are those american animated films? Can you tell me the titles since I don't seem to recall seeing them as a kid? Or are they from recent times?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Are those american animated films? Can you tell me the titles since I don't seem to recall seeing them as a kid? Or are they from recent times?

I believe all of them are recent and yes, they're American. Aw, I was hoping someone guess it. I'll named them as soon as I got them right. It was posted in the morning. I should spoiler tag it.

The funny thing is that the movie trailers for animated films are something that shows you magical yet romance is not thrown at you while normal movies (save comedy) trailers show you off the bat. I don't get it why, I mean sheesh, I want to guess, I want to be surprised, I want to see it build before saying, "they should go out."

[rocci]

Is it kimpossible?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Is it kimpossible?

Well, I guess that's one, sure. Fun fact: I didn't watch the show but I did watch that TV movie because they hyped on the prom, and I was like, "Hm...interesting." Long story short, I wasn't disappointed.

[rocci]

Well that's indeed a nice one ^^, and they even have (monkey) ninja power.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well that's indeed a nice one ^^, and they even have (monkey) ninja power.

Lol yeah. You know, you can include that as well. The point of my post is that the female character is usually the dominant one. Doesn't need to be tsundere style because well, that's Japanese traits, but they're the one to put up with the protagonist since they are a) wimpy, b) dorky, c) idiot, or d) all of above. That and sometimes they're the best out of the two. Point is they can be scary to the point the protagonist don't want to screw around. Much like NS.

[rocci]

Well if not because of those animated, like kimpossible, card captor sakura, slam dunk manga, and alive the final evolution, rumiko maison ikkoku manga, and ichigo 100%, I will not able to see NS because how subtle it is.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well if not because of those animated, like kimpossible, card captor sakura, slam dunk manga, and alive the final evolution, rumiko maison ikkoku manga, and ichigo 100%, I will not able to see NS because how subtle it is.

Indeed. So the only conclusion I got is that they just hate her straight up.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

 

I check some of it, which I don't usually do but I had some free time right now. From what I gather they put a lot of effort in their explanations, but at the end of the day it's just ideas based out of the desire to see SS happen and not based on what the story actually is. I see a lot of rationalizing and overthinking, which is understandable considering SS is in a position where it needs to do so in order to keep believing it will happen.

 

I'm sure that somewhere deep inside their hearts they're aware that what we say in regards to NS is what goes in hand with proper story telling, but people are stubborn so there's no chance they'll admit we're right. In fact they'll call us delusional to further diminish our credibility in their minds and so justify what they believe in.

 

Sakura's love for Sasuke can easily be seen as the obstacle to overcome in order to fully love Naruto, which will not happen until the climax of her character arc. So instances like 540 can easily be seen as the continuation of that drama, which has reached a new stage as the idea of Sasuke as a "great guy" to love has been challenged in Sakura's mind for the first time.

 

To me, saying that Sakura still having feelings for Sasuke means SS will happen is the same as saying that Sasuke having thoughts about erasing his bond with Naruto means that he'll do so and achieve no redemption. Both scenes are obstacles in regards to each character's relationship with Naruto. Sasuke and Sakura are Naruto's most precious people, and the most important characters of the story as a whole after Naruto, so it's obvious that their relationship with Naruto would have the biggest struggles to overcome.

 

People make the mistake of attaching themselves so much to characters that they forget the story revolves around what Naruto fights for. NH fans gather around their liking for Hinata, and SS fans gather around their liking of Sakura (or more specifically her love for Sasuke, for whatever personal reasons). Those attachments make people forget that this series is about Naruto overcoming his obstacles and how the people around him are meant to change for the better as he does so.

 

The drama of the series is not about seeing your favorite character get whatever they want, it's about seeing them struggle with their conflicts as they are further influenced by Naruto. Naruto is there to make them realize that what they originally thought wanted was not what they really needed. Naruto did it with Zabuza, then Neji, then Gaara, then Tsunade, then Chiyo, then Nagato (and those are only the obvious ones).

 

Kakashi at the beginning always showed favoritism for Sasuke's development (something that pissed Naruto off), but during the Immortals arc he noticed Naruto's determination and acknowledged that: 1) Only he could surpass Minato and 2) That he had already surpassed Kakashi in a way. And now Kakashi has sworn to defend Naruto since he believes he's the key to the future. So even Kakashi has come full circle as a teacher to Naruto.

 

You also have Itachi having come to respect Naruto's determination so much that he entrusts to him the person he loves the most in the world, Sasuke. And you have the entire village going from hating Naruto's guts to now having some whispers about wanting him to become Hokage.

 

When you have a pattern like that is it really that hard to believe that Sakura will also follow through? Sasuke will obviously do given the climax of the series depends of it, but I don't understand why would they think that Sakura is the only person that would not follow the same progression as the rest, especially considering that she's Naruto's most precious person along with Sasuke.

 

Maybe they're thinking that Sakura's progression with Naruto was about hating him to just respecting him, but if that was the case then it was useless to have made her a love interest in the first place. The purpose of making her the girl Naruto likes and also someone who disliked him in the beginning was to intrigue the audience into seeing how Naruto would overcome that obstacle and finally have Sakura fall for him. In retrospect all of this is very obvious.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Psychox]

They make from little to big thats what always bothers me

 

This is what a nh fan told me

 

:

 

I'm denying that it's proven.


It was never proven that Sakura has any romantic feelings for Naruto. Not even a clear hint of such possibility.
. It is possible but it was never proven to be a fact (Sai's opinion is merely Sai's opinion and he can easily be wrong).
It was also never proven that Naruto has any romantic feelings for Hinata.

 

 

This  is from mangafox the extreme super duper mega sugar spiced NaruHina fan (lol)

 

PS: If mods take this serious this isn't bashing just need help.

 

So what are your guys counter arguments on this?

A little late for the party, but oh well..

It just smells of double standards all over. Disrespecting the main characters feelings which are manga canon from chapter 3 where btw his love interest was introduced is the first ship + SS as fake one and they deny that? Just perfect.
 

We know that Sakura loves Sasuke as she stated that clearly. We know that Hinata loves Naruto since she also stated that clearly.

 

Until otherwise contradicted she still loves Sasuke, but there are chapters like 540,635 where we can start questioning her feelings for Sasuke as she did herself + we shouldn't dismiss crucial facts like Ino loves Sasuke and Karin too, oh , and Sasuke isn't interested in romance albeit the fact that his emotions were triggered by Karin the most (talking ''bout girls , Naruto and Itachi are the elephant in the room).

When a characters speaks the author is behind it , so Sai,minato , Yamato , Gamakichi ,Kushina , etc., are KISHI in disguise in a way. So any argument against that is like arguing with the author himself.
 

It was never proven that Naruto loves Sakura. What was proven is a crush, but whether it had developed into love - that is up to the debate

 

^This will prove,well  the classic '' Well,Naruto's love was always a crush he has a brother/sister relationship with Sakura '' (which means he had a crush on his sister at some point)

Until otherwise noted his feelings are manga canon since chapter 3,so no shipping preferences can inflict anything.
 

There's no way in hell Naruto would be as retarded as to seriously go for Sakura - since he had known for a long time that it's FUTILE.

 

So, he should go to Hinata, because they say so? Seems legit. People should stop writing their head canon and confuse it with the manga canon material. As reddragon88 said , people have ''attachments''  so yeah , they see what is going on,but they will never admit it , see post above .
 

But it was proven to be perfectly possible now (chapter 615)

 

Ummmmmm, What gave Naruto away? Verbiage ? Context? Narrative? Third party? The author hinting it through out the whole manga, exactly like he did with Sakura? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...


I have little respect for those people , i just can't stand it.

Edited by Psychox, 28 September 2013 - 07:17 PM.

[redragon88]

Lol yeah. You know, you can include that as well. The point of my post is that the female character is usually the dominant one. Doesn't need to be tsundere style because well, that's Japanese traits, but they're the one to put up with the protagonist since they are a) wimpy, b) dorky, c) idiot, or d) all of above. That and sometimes they're the best out of the two. Point is they can be scary to the point the protagonist don't want to screw around. Much like NS.

 

I see it less about the girls being dominant for the sake of it and more about having the fortitude to deal with the whims of the guys they love. What's funny about a tsundere is that she gets mad precisely because the guy she likes always goes about his merry way doing whatever he pleases.

 

If a guy just went along with whatever a tsundere said then she would never go tsun on him, and that's no fun. Despite Naruto's statement about never screwing around with Sakura you can bet at some point it will happen because Naruto is, well, Naruto.

 

P.S. Can't you just list the movies you mentioned? I don't know why you don't want to.

Edited by redragon88, 28 September 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I see it less about the girls being dominant for the sake of it and more about having the fortitude to deal with the whims of the guys they love. What's funny about a tsundere is that she gets mad precisely because the guy she likes always goes about his merry way doing whatever he pleases.
 
If a guy just went along with whatever a tsundere said then she would never go tsun on him, and that's no fun. Despite Naruto's statement about never screwing around with Sakura you can bet at some point it will happen because Naruto is, well, Naruto.

Well of course. Otherwise, you'll take the fun out. Women are more professional than the guys though the guys come out more at times. Much like Naruto who seems dumb at times because of his nature, but when the time really comes, he comes off at top.

Pretty much, I don't get why women should be like Hinata when childhood cartoon or even today don't have that perk. It's not that all women are tsundere but they are the one to be scared of because of their nature. It does depend on the protagonist or another main character. Like if the protagonist is shy or a person who doesn't open up for others yet his character is still Narutoish (like wait for dramatic pose), then it's up to the love interest to be livily, energetic, and pretty much force the guy to do stuff. Otherwise, the girl is the scary one out of the couple.

The funny thing is that Hinata character works well with Sasuke character because she can be shy and he can be annoyed by her odd nature that somehow drags him into her. It's odd but it has happen in anime/manga. That's why some see it for SS but they're missing the main point. Sakura is not shy, she's fangirling with no sign of her real nature. That's annoyed Sasuke completely and nothing comes out of that. Shy nature could have work because he'll get curious on why she's like that. To make it much more possible, that girl should have an "odd" characteristic, like she is actually revived one time by a special thing, or she is actually an extremely naive girl who traps her emotions or anything like that. That's a keeper.

I think I studied a lot but one thing that I noticed and that's whoever knows the protagonist the most, out of love interest candidates, wins, and Sakura is way ahead of the game.

Edit: just saw your recent edit. Will do now. Sorry for that. Talking two things in one. Same subject.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 28 September 2013 - 07:36 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Well of course. Otherwise, you'll take the fun out. Women are more professional than the guys though the guys come out more at times. Much like Naruto who seems dumb at times because of his nature, but when the time really comes, he comes off at top.

Pretty much, I don't get why women should be like Hinata when childhood cartoon or even today don't have that perk. It's not that all women are tsundere but they are the one to be scared of because of their nature. It does depend on the protagonist or another main character. Like if the protagonist is shy or a person who doesn't open up for others yet his character is still Narutoish (like wait for dramatic pose), then it's up to the love interest to be livily, energetic, and pretty much force the guy to do stuff. Otherwise, the girl is the scary one out of the couple.

The funny thing is that Hinata character works well with Sasuke character because she can be shy and he can be annoyed by her odd nature that somehow drags him into her. It's odd but it has happen in anime/manga. That's why some see it for SS but they're missing the main point. Sakura is not shy, she's fangirling with no sign of her real nature. That's annoyed Sasuke completely and nothing comes out of that. Shy nature could have work because he'll get curious on why she's like that. To make it much more possible, that girl should have an "odd" characteristic, like she is actually revived one time by a special thing, or she is actually an extremely naive girl who traps her emotions or anything like that. That's a keeper.

I think I studied a lot but one thing that I noticed and that's whoever knows the protagonist the most, out of love interest candidates, wins, and Sakura is way ahead of the game.

Edit: just saw your recent edit. Will do now. Sorry for that. Talking two things in one. Same subject.

 

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[TouKen4Life3g]

 
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Don't worry, still typing. Just in notepad. That said I can at least respond.

Well I wasn't judging it by that special, but I can see why. Lol.