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[六道仙人]

It's serious that will be double chapter?
Because double issue does not mean two Naruto's chapters.

^ this there will be one chapter next week, then a break again and finally usual releases.

[Don-kun]

It's serious that will be double chapter?
Because double issue does not mean two Naruto's chapters.

Another user explained this in page 40.

why does this happen almost every double issue of WSJ!!!??

double issue does not mean two chapters it means the issue is on the stands for two weeks because of Golden Week

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Another user explained this in page 40.

I think you quote the wrong person

[TouKen4Life3g]

^ And so Madara and Obito team up with the alliance in order to control the Juubi. While doing so they see the error of their ways. BATTLE OVER!

Then Sasuke's group arrives and stare awkwardly at the post-battle party.

Btw if Sakura's to have focus before Sasuke arrives, now would be the time.

That's my concern, how long will they take to get there? I don't know how long nor where are we resuming at. Are we resuming the last chapter we saw Naruto, or are we going to the meanwhile?

The funny thing is I actually thought Sasuke and others will arrive late and just find Madara while no one is there. It could happen but I don't think so. Though it won't be the first time that Kishi tricked us, so who knows. It's going to be a long wait for their arrival.

[Canadian_DJ]

Wheres 628????

[六道仙人]

lol

Naruto is on break this week.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Tsubaki, I do respect SasuKarin. I was not individually calling you a side-shipper or really anyone in particular. I just was wondering if some we're shipping SK because they were worried Sasuke was a greater threat. You start to consider this after seeing SK/NS fans. And if its turue for some, we shouldn't critize NH/SS fans who do the same

Sorry if I offended anyone, I really wasn't trying to.

[HauntedCake]

Tsubaki, I do respect SasuKarin fans. I was not individually calling you a side-shipper or really anyone in particular. I just was wondering if some we're shipping SK because they were worried Sasuke was a greater threat. You start to consider this after seeing SK/NS fans. And if its turue for some, we shouldn't critize NH/SS fans who do the same

Sorry if I offended anyone, I really wasn't trying to.

What happened to your avatar ans sig RG??

[StriderC]

I know SS can't work XD

I wasn't defending it.

I was just saying Sasuke wasn't a total jerk to Sakura in part 1 as we think.

I can agree with this, and I do agree with this. They've had their good moments in Part 1, but they never meshed well due to Sakura's "love" for him. It wasn't healthy IMO. Naruto's crush for Sakura wasn't overbearing or unhealthy because throughout Part 1, he did this amazing things for her. That's not to say Sakura didn't do great things for both Naruto and Sasuke. She stood up against the sound Nin in the forest, and against Gaara for Sasuke. Anyway, all in all, as you've said, their relationship truly wasn't all that bad. It actually got a lot worse in Part 2, and of course NS grew more.

Ha ha the double standard.
You wanted to heard my reason then so be it , it's because Pro SK Anti SS is freaking hypocritical.
I said it, no matter what poor logic people try to use to defend SK it's a worst pairing than SS, Sasuke said

(To Tobi) "If you think I'm just a foolish kid ruled by his emotions, that's fine. Following Itachi's path would be childish, the whispering of fools who don't know hatred. If anyone else tries to ridicule the way I live, I'll slaughter everyone they ever cared about. And then maybe they'll understand what it's like to taste… a little of my hatred."[77]

Sakura was a old teammate sure but he was very annoyed of them gating in his way, there is no excuse to try and kill her but it's worst to try and justify his actions against Karin, she like Jugo were devoted and loyal to the end, he seek her out and formed a group then develop new powers to save them mostly because they reminded him of his old bond with Team 7, sadly in the end it still didn't matter because he could only stop and have a chat with Naruto but Karin he disposed her like trash and latter asked Sakura to kill her because he didn't needed her anymore, but that is nor even the worst part, the worst part is that the only reason why Karin a devoted allied was not killed by him was because Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto interrupted him.

Anyway it's best if I just drop this argument with you and move on, I for sure don't need to rely and a completely damage pairing has SK, worst when the Author needed to degrade the character and make a mockery of her and all young girls in the process.

SS is bad for the story but SK is OK, so much hypocrisy.

Well, your post has been debunked by those who actually ship the pairing. And yes, ha ha at the double standard.

And also, I didn't want to hear your reason because I didn't care to to be quite honest. I was upset at your throwing up a link and telling the SK shippers to take up their comments there when they're free to discuss what they want here. That's not your call to tell them where to go.


Anyway, that was a nice read SK fans. You peeps are really backing up your opinions quite a bit and I like that about you lot. Keep it up, and it's awesome to see that it's you guys that are keeping the peace here.

Edited by StriderC, 17 April 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Tsubaki, I do respect SasuKarin. I was not individually calling you a side-shipper or really anyone in particular. I just was wondering if some we're shipping SK because they were worried Sasuke was a greater threat. You start to consider this after seeing SK/NS fans. And if its turue for some, we shouldn't critize NH/SS fans who do the same

Sorry if I offended anyone, I really wasn't trying to.

While I don't ship it, I still like the idea way before this chapter. If you somehow can find the post before this chapter release, that would be great. I am not jumping ship or anything. What I said is my true thoughts. I still don't know what's her purpose of being Uzumaki so something is up to me. If it to use for the sake of love, which hopefully that's not all, then wouldn't that mean it seals SK? I don't know and don't answer that. I will tell you this, to finish all pairing before NS will be the grandest victory that I ever witness in a manga. That is if the fiasco truly happen when Sasuke arrives.

@Kanae: I got to say, that was a great post and it made me remember why I like the idea, rather than just pushing aside. Allow me to say something to add this. My main problem is that while having a crush at first sight is cute and all, if there's no true developments between them in terms of exceeding more than friends, then why should I root for them. There's nothing that tells me that they are nice. I have read this type of love before, however the guy must be concern, the guy must have a good friendship before the story takes itself, the guy and girl need to smile together before they start hitting a new level. Guess what? Nothing. It's laughable that her flashback pile before she tried to stab him lasted a page. Seriously, couldn't get the same amount of Sasuke thinking about Itachi? Hell, I can bet that NS can get a double spread with famous quotes by Naruto. How sad. And that's the problem, if you're going to go with SS, where's the development? Where? In short, it's too late to be the level acceptable, alas asspull of epitome.

But I don't want this to be an SS bash response because it can go for hours. My point is that even though SK is seen similar to SS, I don't think so. The fact that Karin can still be herself and be pissed off for whatever Sasuke tried to be strong, or tried to think he's the best when he almost got killed by Deidara, or get told to do this and that. This is all her. Her obsession is part of it, but not to extent she has create a persona to make her look good for Sasuke. The flashback caught me surprise because, well I would assume it's something from the time Sasuke was already with Orochimaru and all, but instead, it's way back in part 1. Why? Sasuke smiles in which is something like unheard of. Why? Karin's final wish before she gets killed by him is to see that smile one last time. Why? That's more why questions I can ask than Sakura, though she only has one and that is why love him still. Though lately, there has been evidences that she's been done with him and she has been dodging the question for a while, only allow us to assume with Naruto, but let's not talk about it, we can be here forever. Plus, if Sasuke shows up extremely soon, though I doubt, then we will get the answer.

Also, last to comment, bare with me here, but to be fair, Sasuke did stab her but AFTER he went to Madara's madness mode. We are shown recently that type of madness is when they are truly all about himself. Hell, even his tone with Tobi was different, saying he runs the show and all. I know it's no excuse to forgive him asap, but here's the thing, Karin knows that his character was changing as it develops, rather than Naruto and Team 7 assumed that it happened in one go. Basically, these guys think Sasuke was already bad, but in reality, he was always neutral until the event with Danzou took place. You can argue Naruto knows about it, but hey, this is the story between them as Sasuke only listen to Naruto. Why do I bring this up? Well, here's the problem. Naruto and others met Sasuke before he went crazy, let alone still in neutral zone, and Sasuke was already going for the kill on Sakura. That's unacceptable. Can it be forgiven? Sure, but comparing to Karin, it's oddly shockingly different.

To me, that screams SS just wasn't meant to be and the only way to do is destroy your creation completely. People may say, "Oh what about this chapter? He did it!" but to me, I say wait until we get a clearer view. In other words, it's in pending. I know the wait is killing but please, be in speculation mode, not confirmation mode. Meaning just think what will happen next. At the moment, Kishi is being consistent to his interview as Naruto and Sasuke will meet one more time, this time in war. If that's the case, the fight between them will happen. It's only matter of question of what's in stake. So yeah, great post, sorry to rant on longer, but trust me, I can go forever.

[soraandven]

ok anyone that is still raging about no naruto vs sasuke check out this video that my youtube friend forneverworld made he brings up some good points as to why the fight could still happen check it out and enjoy

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

What happened to your avatar ans sig RG??

I wanted a change again. I'm switching to Team 7-centric pictures than NaruSaku in honor of Sasuke on his way to being good.

I already have some in mind but I haven't put it up yet.

[soraandven]

just 3 days till japanese audio of rtn man ive missed junko and chie

[HauntedCake]

I wanted a change again. I'm switching to Team 7-centric pictures than NaruSaku in honor of Sasuke on his way to being good.

I already have some in mind but I haven't put it up yet.

But sasuke is only 50-ish% good.

[sushi.]

I pray and I'm not even christian that even if Sasuke supports Konoha now, his methods are corrupt and who's to say he supports the alliance?

[Don-kun]

I can agree with this, and I do agree with this. They've had their good moments in Part 1, but they never meshed well due to Sakura's "love" for him. It wasn't healthy IMO. Naruto's crush for Sakura wasn't overbearing or unhealthy because throughout Part 1, he did this amazing things for her. That's not to say Sakura didn't do great things for both Naruto and Sasuke. She stood up against the sound Nin in the forest, and against Gaara for Sasuke. Anyway, all in all, as you've said, their relationship truly wasn't all that bad. It actually got a lot worse in Part 2, and of course NS grew more.




Well, your post has been debunked by those who actually ship the pairing. And yes, ha ha at the double standard.

And also, I didn't want to hear your reason because I didn't care to to be quite honest. I was upset at your throwing up a link and telling the SK shippers to take up their comments there when they're free to discuss what they want here. That's not your call to tell them where to go.


Anyway, that was a nice read SK fans. You peeps are really backing up your opinions quite a bit and I like that about you lot. Keep it up, and it's awesome to see that it's you guys that are keeping the peace here.

Men screw you and stop wasting my time.

[FoolishYoungling]

Men screw you and stop wasting my time.

He has a point Don. A "I'm Sorry" wouldn't hurt. I know if I shipped SK that a comment like that would make me feel unwanted here.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 18 April 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[Don-kun]

He has a point Don. A "I'm Sorry" wouldn't hurt. I know if I shipped SK that a comment like that would make me feel unwanted here.

The truth is no one should feel unwanted here after all we all have something in common that's our love for NS.
Many other poster prier to mine where saying harsh things about SK and Karin character so I thought it would be a 100 times better if they share the SK thoughts where it really matters.

After all not everyone feels comfortable talking about SK, NH or SS since this isn't a pro site for any of those pairings, plus in the SK FC they don't talk about NS if they want to say something about this pairing they do it on the NS FC, so why it's OK to talk about SK here when many haves bitter opinions about the pairing?

Honestly this is the only pairing site where I see every shipper come and do what they want.

Edited by Don-kun, 18 April 2013 - 12:49 AM.

[Tsubaki]

@Tsubaki

Damn Tsubaki, I have mad respect for you. You explained everything that drew me into SK in your post.

@Tsubaki: Wow, that was really great post. I admire your work.

Beautiful post, Tsubaki! It really shows the positives of SK.

I'm glad you liked my post and understood what I wanted to say even with all my grammar mistakes!!

Haha, you caught me, NaruSaku4Life3g! alright, I give up, I'll post!

But, can I just say: I respect everyone's opinions, and I'm not trying to make you guys ship SK or anything. I usually try to keep myself at margin from the conversation precisely because I do not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable by bringing SK discussion to the table but given that it's been a topic of discussion on its own, I hope you don't mind.

I don't intend to convince anyone of changing their minds, just touch upon a few things regarding SK's dynamic and Karin's character



Karin never stopped loving Sasuke, and she has not forgiven him, either. In the panel where it was obvious that she was moved by his apology, she continued to insult him. The following panel she proceeded to stomp over to where they were, and indignantly told Oro what Sasuke did to her. Even as she is snuggling up to Sasuke, she still sounds pissed - and while we obviously know better, Karin basically says that she will tag along simply due to Orochimaru.

As far as Sasuke is concerned, he has not been forgiven. Karin was angry throughout the chapter, and she was still angry at the end. All Kishimoto did was make clear to the reader (it's beyond me why people doubted it in the first place, though, giving Kishi's track record) that yes, Karin is still very much in love with Sasuke.

As for why she is still in love with him and willing to work with him despite what he did, leaving the nature and strength of her feelings for him aside: the Sasuke at the Kage Summit was 'the complete opposite of the usual Sasuke', and Karin knows this best of all, because it was her who first noticed the changes and continued to comment on them throughout the whole process.

Moreover, and while I may disagree with how Kishi portrays this sort of business (believe me, I do - if this was all Sasuke turning good was going to take, then he shouldn't have gone so overboard with him in the Kage Summit and the Danzou fight): this is his manga we're talking about, and we all know his track record, sigh. Sad as it may be, the fact that he is letting Karin be righteously pissed at him and even had Sasuke apologizing all on his own means a lot, imo.

Lastly! I find SasuKarin positive for a whole lot of reasons, which is precisely why I'm willing to let Kishi do his thing, accept that this is fiction, and play along The only negatives they have had were in the period where Sasuke was 'dark', and they were not pointless, either, for they were means to drive home just how much Sasuke had changed (from 'you're necessary' to 'you're an encumbrance', for example). Their usual dynamic though is fairly healthy. Neither is submissive to the other, they acknowledge, trust, respect and rely on each other. They obviously care a lot about each other as well. They accept each other as they are (it goes without saying for Karin, but Sasuke himself does the same thing for her - he did agree with Suigetsu when Suigetsu said Karin's personality wasn't easy to handle ). And they fit a lot of thematic patterns that Kishi has got going on ('even the toughest of women is tender to the man she loves', 'we become stronger when we have something precious to protect' [Sasuke in Chapter 415], lack of suffixes, the typical hotblooded woman and the more laidback guy, so on so forth - heck what with Karin's Uzumaki legacy, their union may even tie in with Kishi's overall message of peace and what not).




That's the problem I've never seen a SasuKarin shipper use Sasuke's actions during the Kage Summit as an Anti-SS argument, so to be honest, I don't quite understand where the 'hypocrisy' claims are coming from.

If you think we do not ship or like SS solely due to the murder attempts, with all due respect, you are severely mistaken. Citing my own example: I've disliked SS ever since I began reading Naruto, back in 2005, and I did so even before shipping NaruSaku. My reasons for disliking it are inherently related to the SS dynamic itself, and have nothing to do with the pairings I ship.

What we do say, however, is exactly what Tsubaki so aptly summarized (great post!!). The differences between SasuKarin and SasuSaku completely lie on the way each of them has been portrayed, their effect on the respective characters, and even the role each served during Sasuke's downfall into darkness. While his betrayal of Karin and 'sacrificing' her was his Moral Event Horizon, the SS murder attempts were basically plot-devices to which Sasuke had no reaction whatsoever.

Another easy way to see the difference is to compare Sakura's and Karin's respective flashbacks to Sasuke. While Sakura remembered the thank you, of course, the unseen SS scene was nothing but her blushing at a Sasuke who regarded her with utter indifference. At the contrary, Karin's flashback showcased a Sasuke smiling in a way we had never seen before.

The same applies to the way other characters perceive the SK and SS bonds. You have Naruto, who basically remembered the exact same kind of SS that Sakura herself did (even though there was an age back between both of them). Compare that to the way Suigetsu perceives SasuKarin, going as far as saying that he 'wants to break them up for good!' and that if he and Juugo were to go looking for them, they would be getting in their way because Karin wants to seduce Sasuke (and Sui apparently thinks she will be able to, lol).

You also have their respective roles on Team 7 and Team Taka. While Kishimoto tends to keep SS in a Team 7 related context only, while SasuNaru is the bond that stands out and occupies the most of Sasuke's mind, the same cannot be said of SasuKarin and Taka. It is SasuKarin who gets individualized from the team: she got his only 'I need you', chapter 415, the kage summit, chapter 567 and 574 (all Suigetsu and Juugo did was talk about SasuKarin, and they did so as if SK were an unit), and even their respective reunions with Sasuke.

As for why I am completely anti SS while OTP'ing SK and do not feel in the least bit hypocritical, it's because SS has been portrayed as negative in a way that SK never has. SS was detrimental to Sakura's character (I think it goes without saying that I love Sakura, considering I ship NS like burning) in a way that it simply has never been for Karin's character. Karin has never tried to change herself for Sasuke, does not mute her own opinions or voice her disagreements with meek "S-Sasuke-kun...!"s. Rather than trying to make herself likeable to Sasuke, indirectly dampening her strong personality, Karin shows herself as she is to him and if he doesn't like it, then that's his business.

Take this chapter for example. Sasuke nearly killed Sakura twice - do you really think that if they meet again, Sakura will yell bloody murder at him the way Karin did this chapter? (now though, I could see her yelling at him if he hurts Naruto again. But I'll leave my NS flailing out for now )

And that takes me to Sasuke. He has got an authoritative personality, so to speak, and this added to how submissive Sakura becomes around him (something she is not, hence why SS is detrimental to her character - aside from how sad it makes her feel) makes him be too dominant. You can look back at Part 1 and find more than one instance of Sakura trying to voice her disagreement and Sasuke telling her to shut up, stay out of his business, so on so forth. He did not do it out of malice, of course; that was just him being, well, Sasuke. Which is why the fact that the usual Sasuke has never replied in such a way to Karin, even though she disagrees with him more often than not, stands out more.

Lastly, while he did (and will always) care about Sakura as one of his precious people, I feel Sasuke has been far more responsive to Karin than he was to her.


You said so yourself Karin and Sakura have different personalities, grew up in different environments, are portrayed differently, and as such, take different approaches to their respective feelings. I understand that you aren't judging their feelings based on this yourself, so I hope you'll forgive me if I take this chance to address a perspective that I've seen more than I can count:

You cannot judge Karin's feelings for Sasuke as more or less genuine than Sakura's by simply comparing her to what Sakura does or doesn't do, to how Sakura reacts or doesn't react, because it's a mold that Karin's character archetype simply does not fit.


Ironically enough, throughout part I, Sakura expressed her feelings for Sasuke more times, and more obnoxiously ("Kyaa!! Sasuke-kun!! Go kick his butt!") than Karin has in the entirety of Part II.

Karin has only made a move on Sasuke (counting this chapter) a grand total of 3 times. And, with the exception of this chapter, all of them were done in private. When it comes to actually having thoughts related to said feelings, Karin has done so... what, around 4 times? She has berated him, saved his life, so on so forth, twice as many times.

But to address a bit the nature of Karin's feelings for him; her genuine desire of seeing him smile again is anything but shallow. If anything, it is selfless, so much so that it immediately reminded me of Naruto's level of devotion for Sakura, wherein he is willing to sacrifice his feelings for her as long as she is happy. Karin went through hell and back for Sasuke, loyally stuck with him through thick and thin - and in her last breath? All she thinks is that she would have liked to see him smile once more. She didn't do so only because she loves him. She genuinely wants to see him happy.

But even before that, things like Chapter 466 spoke for themselves. Karin is not the type to wear her emotions on her sleeve, not if they aren't anger; this is the girl who nearly died at the hands of the guy she loved, and it took her empathizing with Sakura's pain to shed some tears. Yet, we saw her being immediately being moved to tears at the thought of losing Sasuke. That is the kind of thing that speaks volumes when it comes to characters like Karin.

Awesome post Kanae!

The manifesto you wrote was one of the big reasons why I started to like and recognize this couple.

Tsubaki, I do respect SasuKarin. I was not individually calling you a side-shipper or really anyone in particular. I just was wondering if some we're shipping SK because they were worried Sasuke was a greater threat. You start to consider this after seeing SK/NS fans. And if its turue for some, we shouldn't critize NH/SS fans who do the same

Sorry if I offended anyone, I really wasn't trying to.

It's okay!! I know you didn't mean to offend anyone here!

The truth is no one should feel unwanted here after all we all have something in common that's our love for NS.
Many other poster prier to mine where saying harsh things about SK and Karin character so I thought it would be a 100 times better if they share the SK thoughts where it really matters.

After all not everyone feels comfortable talking about SK, NH or SS since this isn't a pro site for any of those pairings, plus in the SK FC they don't talk about NS if they want to say something about this pairing they do it on the NS FC, so why it's OK to talk about SK here when many haves bitter opinions about the pairing?

Honestly this is the only pairing site where I see every shipper come and do what they want.

but... but .. Don-kun! We only talked about sasukarin because they interacted in this chapter, in the same way that if Shikamaru and Temari or Shikamaru and Ino interact in a chapter, people who like this pairing will probably comment about them as well. Actually I was pretty surprised that it ended in such a big debate since neither Naruto or Sakura are involved in this pairing ... it's about Sasuke and Karin that we're talking about, after all.

srsly I'm tired of this debate, let's leave it behind ok!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Awesome post Kanae!

The manifesto you wrote was one of the big reasons why I started to like and recognize this couple.

Same with you? Lol. The power of that manifesto. For me, it all started when I got curious about the whole situation ever since she was named as an Uzumaki, which still begs the question why. So, I went to the FC and didn't regret it. The manifesto brings out so many good points. It's nice to know someone else read it.