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[六道仙人]

I know that some of you can have a lot of uncertainties towards Kishimoto since he's avoiding to develop Sakura long since.

But let's say some thing here:

1)The Battle is still at the beginning. Now Obito and Madara are quite forced to fight the Alliance.
2)Kishimoto said that everyone will shine and, most of all, some characters will fall down one by one. Considering that Obito said that he want to throw despair in the Alliance, it's pretty possible that Kishi's interview can be true. The despair made by Neji's death (and Shikaku&Inoichi) are only the beginning. Also because Naruto still haven't fallen in despair.
3)The juubi itself has yet to have its final metamorphosis. It's pretty strange to me that one thing, who once upon a time was called as the "One-eyed God", acts like a brainless monster (even bijuu themselfes have their own intelligence)

The end of this battle is still far imho. This chapter 617, which is even the final ch of the volume 64, decree that Obito and Madara have lost their connections with the Juubi. Now I believe that Kishi will start a mini arc about Sasuke. He would want to prolong the delay regarding the battle against Juubi. Kishi always acted like this. He always skipped here and there and then coming back again... He has always given space to a character at a time, almost never together. Remember chuunin's selections? Well, it's pretty similar... Each one waited his turn when on the board would then appear his name.

This is the great lack of Kishimoto, since always, even from the beginning of the manga. Now Hinata's overshadowing Sakura because Kishimoto wants that she can have her spotlight now and don't want that Sakura share the spotlight along her. Everyone must have their ownes spotlights.

Maybe I can be in wrong... who knows... Kishimoto can be a bad writer, sometimes a great troll or a heartlessly bastard but I doubt that he's even a dumbass manipulated by editors...

[Tsubaki]

I read a comment like "Naruto Didn't need to hold Hinata's hand " and I didn't get it, the NH are celebrating the fact that has been proven in this chapter that Naruto doesn't necessarily need hold the person's hand to pass chakra, is that it?! because if I were NH, I would get irritated because actually this chapter proved that if Kishi wanted, he could have made Hinata be the only that Naruto had held hand to pass chakra.

because yes, he didn't need to hold Hinata's hand but he didn't need to hold shikamaru, ino or chouji hands as well.

and most importantly, Kishi didn't need to made those "close ups" that clearly call the reader's attention to what is happening there:

> --Click here to view--

if Kishi wanted, he could have simply made Naruto touch their back, shoulders or just slap their hands as he did with those random ninjas.

bad english alert/ not in mood to write... sorry

Edited by Tsubaki, 25 January 2013 - 04:03 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's about it. To further add to your post, there's basically 2 types of editors from what we can see in the manga: the first type is the one who mostly gives out advice and lets the mangaka work it out on their own. This one I'm calling the "Hattori" type. The second is the one who pushes their opinions on the authors, otherwise known as the "Miura" type. The latter type is the one who basically just thinks about the ratings and data whatchamacallit. The latter type also rarely thinks highly of the author's opinions and and usually limits their creativity.

The latter type is the one I'm worried about. I've been thinking, you guys remember the editor Kishi mentioned when he talked about creating Killer Bee?? by the way it was implied, that particular editor seems to be the "Hattori" type. And if Pain arc was anything to go by, I'm wondering if it was because of him Kishi created such an explosive arc. If you read the Pain arc, and compared to this arc, it does seem as if Kishi was completely given full reins of what happens. This arc, in comparison, seems so forced in the latter half it's not even funny (minus Obito).

Then again, these are all speculations. I just hope I'm wrong. If it's true, then that editor can die in a fire for all I care. if it's Kishi's own doing, well, I'm dropping this manga. Bleach is getting back on top of the game, and FT is as exciting as ever.

As for Kishi changing editors, I kinda wonder if the editorial department got fed up with his demands, and this editor he's with now is the last they'll ever change for him. To make it worse, he's a lousy one.

Well anyways, if Kishi keeps this up, I'm done with this manga.

P.S.: I think Naruto will handle the Juubi with Bee. Kakashi will take care of Obito while the rest of the alliance led by Shikamaru takes on Madara.

I understand.

I have to read this arc again to see how I really feel about this as a whole. My problem is that this lasted way too long and while some are enjoyable with good developments, I feel like it's been 5 years that we spent in this arc, even though it's really 3. The problem is that everyone is getting the focus and while that can be nice, it drags the story pretty long. We get every bits of their developments and stalls time for the impact. The impact is now and we are still early in the game. Kishi has said that everyone is going to shine, so he has to wrapped up everybody. In the interview, he said he created a lot of holes to fill in and he has a habit to fill it in, even if it's not important to the overall. Now he's doing it. I mean I didn't think he would brought up Neji aftermath with Lee but he did because some may wonder "What is Neji's attitude now since he was being an ass to Lee?" There you go, mission accomplished.

The reason why I am still waiting is because this chapter has now created a boss battle (maybe two or three). A boss battle is needed in a Shounen and Kishi has made it. The question is what's next. Obito and Madara can't control it again since they're in the way now. The only option is fight them. All the complaints can be unleashed when everything is over. That's the embargo for all of us.

Bottom line, I have to reread the whole arc again to see what I really feel about it. All I know is it's a long road but the good stuff should begin now. I just hope switching to Sasuke doesn't happen now. I hope we get the confirmation of the location and then, switch back to Naruto in 2 pages. As for the latest editor, well, I'll see. I'm not going to judge yet. So far we got one plan done, and it seems like we are in the real deal (again, boss battle). I will think over once it's done.

As for other manga, well the thing is that they're in a buildup stage, which is always cool to read. The battle is when you are very carefully analyzing the choreograph of the fight. Bleach is getting back its feet, though the rating this week was a little poor. I just hope the battle won't be that "Hey, I've seen this before." As for Fairy Tail, story wise is getting interesting indeed. My main gripe is I have to stop falling for the hype train because let's face it, Mashima really does it poor when it comes to hype. Case in point, chapter 315. I don't need to rant, but other than that, entertainment value is pretty good.

I feel that Naruto should fight Obito. I want Obito to shut the hell up for talking crap on him and thinking he's the right guy and way too cocky to think everything will go to his plan. That's how I felt when he told Kakashi it doesn't matter if it's his fault or not because they will live in an illusion. Ok, time to get a reality check. No pun intended.

I read a comment like "Naruto Didn't need to hold Hinata's hand " and I didn't get it, the NH are celebrating the fact that has been proven in this chapter that Naruto doesn't necessarily need hold the person's hand to pass chakra, is that it?! because if I were NH, I would get irritated because actually this chapter proved that if Kishi wanted, he could have made Hinata be the only that Naruto had held hand to pass chakra.

because yes, he didn't need to hold Hinata's hand but he didn't need to hold shikamaru, ino or chouji hands as well.

and most importantly, Kishi didn't need to made those "close ups" that clearly call the reader's attention to what is happening there:

> --Click here to view--

if Kishi wanted, he could have simply made Naruto touch their back, shoulders or just slap their hands as he did with those random ninjas.

bad english alert/ not in mood to write... sorry

Exactly.

Plus, her hand was on his cheek already, so why slap it and then pat on her back. That would be awkward to be honest. Plus, once again, the hand holding was not that romantic version. Hell, check Chikara filler from the anime to see how is supposedly works. The point is that Naruto can transfer chakra in any ways. I should quote that one paragraph here...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 25 January 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[fireandice]

Why did Kishi changed editor anyway? He was awesome, if the Pain arc is to judge. I was even fine with the Rinne Tensei.

I've figured out that there are two types of characters that Kish simply can not write properly.(or his new editor?) Yes, that is females and villains. He ruins them all one by one. D: !!

I really doubt it is just all down to the editor. I think for a long manga, it can sometimes be difficult to maintain quality and sometimes certain arcs may give problems balancing a large cast. I mean, just look at Bleach during Fullbring Arc and when they were fighting Butterfly Aizen.

Even One Piece, which most people consider to have been best at maintaining its quality, there are arcs we feel are really not as good or a lot more boring than say, Impel Down and Marineford. Plus I reckon actually Kishi has it more difficult than Oda, as Oda's structure of the story makes it okay to leave the supporting cast behind (e.g if they move from island to island), and its easier to keep all of the Strawhats together as they're the same crew, in comparison to Kishi's 3-man squads where you can't have 9/12 people on every mission.

Not saying Oda isn't technically as good- in fact, his format allows him to avoid certain problems and can be seen as smart on his part. But that I suppose Kishi's format caused a situation where certain individuals can get neglected. The 3-man squad is conceptually interesting and rich, it's just that I think keeping them balanced is more difficult than when it's just one gang if the main protagonists together.

Edited by fireandice, 25 January 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[T XD]

I read a comment like "Naruto Didn't need to hold Hinata's hand " and I didn't get it, the NH are celebrating the fact that has been proven in this chapter that Naruto doesn't necessarily need hold the person's hand to pass chakra, is that it?! because if I were NH, I would get irritated because actually this chapter proved that if Kishi wanted, he could have made Hinata be the only that Naruto had held hand to pass chakra.

because yes, he didn't need to hold Hinata's hand but he didn't need to hold shikamaru, ino or chouji hands as well.

and most importantly, Kishi didn't need to made those "close ups" that clearly call the reader's attention to what is happening there:

> --Click here to view--

if Kishi wanted, he could have simply made Naruto touch their back, shoulders or just slap their hands as he did with those random ninjas.

bad english alert/ not in mood to write... sorry

Don't forget that in this chapter, 617, he showed Naruto holding the hand of Tenten, the same way as Hinata.

The holding hand is clearly to pass chakra. The hand holding in 615, aside as to just pass chakra, was in a way to make a bit of fan service.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really doubt it is just all down to the editor. I think for a long manga, it can sometimes be difficult to maintain quality and sometimes certain arcs may give problems balancing a large cast. I mean, just look at Bleach during Fullbring Arc and when they were fighting Butterfly Aizen.

Even One Piece, which most people consider to have been best at maintaining its quality, there are arcs we feel are really not as good or a lot more boring than say, Impel Down and Marineford. Plus I reckon actually Kishi has it more difficult than Oda, as Oda's structure of the story makes it okay to leave the supporting cast behind (e.g if they move from island to island), and its easier to keep all of the Strawhats together as they're the same crew, in comparison to Kishi's 3-man squads where you can't have 9/12 people on every mission.

Not saying Oda isn't technically as good- in fact, his format allows him to avoid certain problems and can be seen as smart on his part. But that I suppose Kishi's format caused a situation where certain individuals can get neglected. The 3-man squad is conceptually interesting and rich, it's just that I think keeping them balanced is more difficult than when it's just one gang if the main protagonists together.

Like I said, having many cast in one sitting can be really cluster-you know what. That's why many in here felt good when we focused on Team 7 and not because of Naruto or Sakura, but because the focus is easy to read and mangaka can make it carefully. Now, well, we'll see.

Don't forget that in this chapter, 617, he showed Naruto holding the hand of Tenten, the same way as Hinata.

The holding hand is clearly to pass chakra. The hand holding in 615, aside as to just pass chakra, was in a way to make a bit of fan service.

That and gave Hinata's 573 quote wish.

[sushi.]

I just read 573 again, just to check if the rookies' ambitions came true. I noticed that Hinata and Sakura are the only ones that has a blunt wish. Therefore, there is no way around Sakura's prediction. Shino's speech was kinda like this as well, he said "I will support you with my ninjutsu". But I still think Hinata and Sakura's words are more crucial. They both said "I will". "I will hold your hand" and "I will fight with you".

Kishi can not avoid this. And aren't the majority of Naruto fans in Japan NS fans? Imagine how they'll hunt him down if he's lied all this time lol. XD That is also why I don't understand why the editor could push NH.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just read 573 again, just to check if the rookies' ambitions came true. I noticed that Hinata and Sakura are the only ones that has a blunt wish. Therefore, there is no way around Sakura's prediction. Shino's speech was kinda like this as well, he said "I will support you with my ninjutsu". But I still think Hinata and Sakura's words are more crucial. They both said "I will". "I will hold your hand" and "I will fight with you".

Kishi can not avoid this. And aren't the majority of Naruto fans in Japan NS fans? Imagine how they'll hunt him down if he's lied all this time lol. XD That is also why I don't understand why the editor could push NH.

In comparison between NH and NS, yes, NS is more popular. We are about to have an event and it will be awkward to see NH being canon. I will feel terrible for those who set it up. But yeah, it's popular.

What I really want to know is that if Kishi going by team by team, or person by person. That's my question.

[六道仙人]

I just read 573 again, just to check if the rookies' ambitions came true. I noticed that Hinata and Sakura are the only ones that has a blunt wish. Therefore, there is no way around Sakura's prediction. Shino's speech was kinda like this as well, he said "I will support you with my ninjutsu". But I still think Hinata and Sakura's words are more crucial. They both said "I will". "I will hold your hand" and "I will fight with you".

Kishi can not avoid this. And aren't the majority of Naruto fans in Japan NS fans? Imagine how they'll hunt him down if he's lied all this time lol. XD That is also why I don't understand why the editor could push NH.

that's because I can't believe that he will avoid her for the whole battle. Or about she's going to where are the kage o worse to Konoha...

Sakura-chan MUST be here along Naruto and friends.

[merryGOflava]

read the last few pages XD......wow people are freaking out.

:3 I don't know what else there is to talk about...other than we just have to wait until next chapter and see XD

if she doesn't show up in about 2-3 more chapters (not including if it switches to sasuke) then we should start worrying XD


but anyway i heard someone say that Mashima(fairy tail dude) can make girls better........no thank you. I don't want sakura to be a panty shot victim and get her clothes shredded every fight or wear skimpy clothes in general!

i rather have kishi, that doesn't do that to his females. ( at least most of them)
i rather sakura not ever fight than be a stripper.

[Chatte]

I just read 573 again, just to check if the rookies' ambitions came true. I noticed that Hinata and Sakura are the only ones that has a blunt wish. Therefore, there is no way around Sakura's prediction. Shino's speech was kinda like this as well, he said "I will support you with my ninjutsu". But I still think Hinata and Sakura's words are more crucial. They both said "I will". "I will hold your hand" and "I will fight with you".

Kishi can not avoid this. And aren't the majority of Naruto fans in Japan NS fans? Imagine how they'll hunt him down if he's lied all this time lol. XD That is also why I don't understand why the editor could push NH.

Well, on Sakura's it was "we will"... Maybe a combo or something, who knows...

[TouKen4Life3g]

read the last few pages XD......wow people are freaking out.

:3 I don't know what else there is to talk about...other than we just have to wait until next chapter and see XD

if she doesn't show up in about 2-3 more chapters (not including if it switches to sasuke) then we should start worrying XD


but anyway i heard someone say that Mashima(fairy tail dude) can make girls better........no thank you. I don't want sakura to be a panty shot victim and get her clothes shredded every fight or wear skimpy clothes in general!

i rather have kishi, that doesn't do that to his females. ( at least most of them)
i rather sakura not ever fight than be a stripper.

Lol.

Naruto is like the opposite of FT. FT is like you can't live without fan service for more than 2 chapters or else you'll explode. Naruto can last forever but when it happens, it feels very new. I remember seeing Sakura swimsuit the first time, I was like "Well finally, a fan service!" Anime don't count. Anyway, don't forget bunch of naked shots. To the point I questioned, "Is this 16+?"

[Codus N]

I understand.

I have to read this arc again to see how I really feel about this as a whole. My problem is that this lasted way too long and while some are enjoyable with good developments, I feel like it's been 5 years that we spent in this arc, even though it's really 3. The problem is that everyone is getting the focus and while that can be nice, it drags the story pretty long. We get every bits of their developments and stalls time for the impact. The impact is now and we are still early in the game. Kishi has said that everyone is going to shine, so he has to wrapped up everybody. In the interview, he said he created a lot of holes to fill in and he has a habit to fill it in, even if it's not important to the overall. Now he's doing it. I mean I didn't think he would brought up Neji aftermath with Lee but he did because some may wonder "What is Neji's attitude now since he was being an ass to Lee?" There you go, mission accomplished.

The reason why I am still waiting is because this chapter has now created a boss battle (maybe two or three). A boss battle is needed in a Shounen and Kishi has made it. The question is what's next. Obito and Madara can't control it again since they're in the way now. The only option is fight them. All the complaints can be unleashed when everything is over. That's the embargo for all of us.

Bottom line, I have to reread the whole arc again to see what I really feel about it. All I know is it's a long road but the good stuff should begin now. I just hope switching to Sasuke doesn't happen now. I hope we get the confirmation of the location and then, switch back to Naruto in 2 pages. As for the latest editor, well, I'll see. I'm not going to judge yet. So far we got one plan done, and it seems like we are in the real deal (again, boss battle). I will think over once it's done.

As for other manga, well the thing is that they're in a buildup stage, which is always cool to read. The battle is when you are very carefully analyzing the choreograph of the fight. Bleach is getting back its feet, though the rating this week was a little poor. I just hope the battle won't be that "Hey, I've seen this before." As for Fairy Tail, story wise is getting interesting indeed. My main gripe is I have to stop falling for the hype train because let's face it, Mashima really does it poor when it comes to hype. Case in point, chapter 315. I don't need to rant, but other than that, entertainment value is pretty good.

I feel that Naruto should fight Obito. I want Obito to shut the hell up for talking crap on him and thinking he's the right guy and way too cocky to think everything will go to his plan. That's how I felt when he told Kakashi it doesn't matter if it's his fault or not because they will live in an illusion. Ok, time to get a reality check. No pun intended.

315?? you don't mean the

spoiler --Click here to view--

Erza vs Kagura fight, do you??

I pretty much agree this arc has gone on for quite long enough, but the only reason I'm tolerant enough with it is that Kishi has stated many times over (if not implied) this is his last arc. So, if this is the last arc, I think Kishi deserves as much time as possible to wrap things up. But the problem is, he hasn't managed this arc as well as he could have.

[TouKen4Life3g]

315?? you don't mean the

spoiler --Click here to view--

Erza vs Kagura fight, do you??

I pretty much agree this arc has gone on for quite long enough, but the only reason I'm tolerant enough with it is that Kishi has stated many times over (if not implied) this is his last arc. So, if this is the last arc, I think Kishi deserves as much time as possible to wrap things up. But the problem is, he hasn't managed this arc as well as he could have.

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Yes. I don't have to go over because I'm pretty sure that you have heard this story. If you didn't, I will comment back if you want.

True. No one is perfect. I will wait to see how he will close it.

[六道仙人]

I pretty much agree this arc has gone on for quite long enough, but the only reason I'm tolerant enough with it is that Kishi has stated many times over (if not implied) this is his last arc. So, if this is the last arc, I think Kishi deserves as much time as possible to wrap things up. But the problem is, he hasn't managed this arc as well as he could have.

well, Kishi said that this battle isn't the final arc of the manga.

[T XD]

I just read 573 again, just to check if the rookies' ambitions came true. I noticed that Hinata and Sakura are the only ones that has a blunt wish. Therefore, there is no way around Sakura's prediction. Shino's speech was kinda like this as well, he said "I will support you with my ninjutsu". But I still think Hinata and Sakura's words are more crucial. They both said "I will". "I will hold your hand" and "I will fight with you".

Kishi can not avoid this. And aren't the majority of Naruto fans in Japan NS fans? Imagine how they'll hunt him down if he's lied all this time lol. XD That is also why I don't understand why the editor could push NH.

Yes. Sakura saying " we're going to fight together", with this, it tells me that she's going to fight. If she won't, she wouldn't have said that.

We just have to wait and see what's going to happen when she shows up. There's no other choice.

315?? you don't mean the

spoiler --Click here to view--

Erza vs Kagura fight, do you??

I pretty much agree this arc has gone on for quite long enough, but the only reason I'm tolerant enough with it is that Kishi has stated many times over (if not implied) this is his last arc. So, if this is the last arc, I think Kishi deserves as much time as possible to wrap things up. But the problem is, he hasn't managed this arc as well as he could have.

This is his last arc ? It doesn't seem so.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[luffyq1]

You want to know what will be the big middle finger to all us Sakura fans?

Is if the next chapter switches over to Sasuke's story right after Sakura's sudden disappearance. We'll be having this question hovering over us for weeks or even a month: Where the hell is Sakura?

And if this does actually happen I will vomit.

Edited by luffyq1, 25 January 2013 - 06:11 PM.

[T XD]

You want to know what will be the big middle finger to all us Sakura fans?

Is if the next chapter switches over to Sasuke's story right after Sakura's sudden disappearance. We'll be having this question hovering over us for weeks or even a month: Where the hell is Sakura?

And if this does actually happen I will vomit.

Well, you better brace yourself cause it might very well switch to Sasuke. I'm somewhat expecting that XD

But, if you think of it, we will know what Sasuke is going to do while he's in Konoha, Karin will probably meet up with them, who is this person that knows everything and what the scroll hold. Plus, like you said, we will at the same time predict what Sakura is doing and what she'll do XD

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2013 - 06:19 PM.

[sushi.]

^That was exactly what happened after 573.^

Given that the last panel was of Sasuke, maybe this is the case now as well. ._.
Maybe Kishi wanted to increase our patience of Sakura's appereance with a colourspread. XD

Edited by sushi., 25 January 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[RikutoShika]

^That was exactly what happened after 573.^

Given that the last panel was of Sasuke, maybe this is the case now as well. ._.
Maybe Kishi wanted to increase our patience of Sakura's appereance with a colourspread. XD

Im running out of that said "Patience"