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[Psychox]

I think it is necessary due ot the plot and i dont think it's possible for her to care for multiple people romantically even if in slightly different ways, because well it's a shounen and this never happened on the story, Tsunade is there and she didnt got it.

I mean the story itself shows that it's not possible it to happen and on my personal opinion it would suck.

 

 

 

Well that's your opinion, on my opinion he's a terrible writer when he sticks up to this part.

Some stuff he does on purpose like having Sakura have lingering feelings for Sasuke as an example, when he says on the interview "as expected she still...Sasuke".
Yes i was expecting that too, but he depicted Sakura's love so terrible that it's difficult to swallow scenes like this and look at recently when he's pratically being forced to hide her feelings to create some fake suspense because yeah he did it poorly not on purpose but because he wrote himself into a corner.

 

Taka is too an example of this, he doesnt know what to do with them and i sincerely believe on this.

He broke and rebuild his concept many times and even on Obito's flashbacks he literally forget his databooks and put everyone on the same place despite the difference of age and other stuff on the databooks he posted, he copies a lot of concepts from other mangas and etc...

For me as a writer he's bad but on drawing i would give a 9 or 10.

Dark is right, that 540 panel was a bit terrible to see/watch/read w/e,its like contradicting everything he ever made Sakura do/say for Naruto, its like saying ''Okay, i have to show her that she is moving on'' but there is still that attachment to Sasuke,like what the f.. ?For what purposes,if not prolonging the pairing drama?What is it so appealing in Sasuke that she loves him so much?What made her fall so ''deeply'' in love? The guy tried to end her life more than one occasion and she still loves him..it makes little sense, yes ,she needed a confrontation,but she had to move forward from that point on not stick throw away scenes like 540 that one panel I'm seeing all over people saying ''If NS hasn't happen till now,when will it?If she hasn't moved on .. etc., they cannot believe that Sakura can move on and partially i don't blame them.He better make is seem believable , we need a powerful Saku->Naru moment because , i don't know..

574 she says they are gonna be together which is a good thing , but does it fix 540? The narrative doesn't show it ,sure ,but the verbiage is there ''If you love him,he must be a great guy''- well,yeah, we get it , he is not, so why make that throw away panel or make references lie''after this war is over I'll hold your hand.. bla bla bla ?Just to prolong the drama?Did he gave a thought that he will fall in his own woven web by making panels like that?Dunno. Sasuke has done nothing in part 1 but thereat her badly and in part 2 his actions are unforgivable.. She should've moved on right then and there,why making her confront him or his mental image 3times?

What is the point in all that?Showing us something or different matter? huh..

People still refuse to believe it, heck after 635 people still shield their eyes and cover their ears ,some for preferences others with disbelieve.We got the parallel in our hands MinaKushi which is a good thing , but there is still that hesitation and refusal to look at the context of the story of the sub plot for Naruto and Sakura to be together not because just because of 540, but her confession is questioned till this day and many look with little faith that she will move on from Sasuke that easily from the events under the samurai bridge. ''That parallel won't fix anything '' do you guys think that they're right? Sure they miss the point like Sai had to explain everything to Naruto etc.,but those scenes are there and he dodged the bullet in 631 there and gave the answer to Naruto, why? Huh...

He could've ended it right then and there, well, he kind of did. If he doesn't play the forehead scene trump, i don't know how will others will be convinced .

(but if hasn't happened yet..)

Edited by Psychox, 27 September 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Dark is right, that 540 panel was a bit terrible to see/watch/read w/e,its like contradicting everything he ever made Sakura do/say for Naruto, its like saying ''Okay, i have to show her that she is moving on'' but there is still that attachment to Sasuke,like what the f.. ?For what purposes,if not prolonging the pairing drama?What is it so appealing in Sasuke that she loves him so much?What made her fall so ''deeply'' in love? The guy tried to end her life more than one occasion and she still loves him..it makes little sense, yes ,she needed a confrontation,but she had to move forward from that point on not stick throw away scenes like 540 that one panel I'm seeing all over people saying ''If NS hasn't happen till now,when will it?If she hasn't moved on .. etc., they cannot believe that Sakura can move on and partially i don't blame them.He better make is seem believable , we need a powerful Saku->Naru moment because , i don't know..

574 she says they are gonna be together which is a good thing , but does it fix 540? The narrative doesn't show it ,sure ,but the verbiage is there ''If you love him,he must be a great guy''- well,yeah, we get it , he is not, so why make that throw away panel or make references lie''after this war is over I'll hold your hand.. bla bla bla ?Just to prolong the drama?Did he gave a thought that he will fall in his own woven web by making panels like that?Dunno. Sasuke has done nothing in part 1 but thereat her badly and in part 2 his actions are unforgivable.. She should've moved on right then and there,why making her confront him or his mental image 3times?

What is the point in all that?Showing us something or different matter? huh..

People still refuse to believe it, heck after 635 people still shield their eyes and cover their ears ,some for preferences others with disbelieve.We got the parallel in our hands MinaKushi which is a good thing , but there is still that hesitation and refusal to look at the context of the story of the sub plot for Naruto and Sakura to be together not because just because of 540, but her confession is questioned till this day and many look with little faith that she will move on from Sasuke that easily from the events under the samurai bridge. ''That parallel won't fix anything '' do you guys think that they're right? Sure they miss the point like Sai had to explain everything to Naruto etc.,but those scenes are there and he dodged the bullet in 631 there and gave the answer to Naruto, why? Huh...

He could've ended it right then and there, well, he kind of did. If he doesn't play the forehead scene trump, i don't know how will others will be convinced .

(but if hasn't happened yet..)

Almost, the point is that, if it was "good" writing it would have a reason, but in fact there's none, you have to assume that "the pairing drama must stand" which is bad writing and even Kishi admitted it on the line he said "as expected she still..Sasuke".

 

THe fact is that even on the video about NaruSasuSaku, there's a part of "the things he said to me" refering to Sasuke.(he said nothing to Sakura).

The problem is this, people try hard to find a reason why Sakura clings up to Sasuke and what they think is a the bench scene that wasnt bought up for more than 646 chapters not even noticed on flashbacks and those stuff.

Is this okay?

When i saw Sakura's flashback about Sasuke, it was totally unbelievable, it's like she didnt questioned her feelings for Sasuke even knowing that Naruto loves her during her confession to Naruto, so how could she say Naruto that she doesnt love Sasuke anymore?

It's totally contradictory, on better words, it sucked.

 

You can put 540, 579 or even 631 but doesnt change the fact it's unbelievable, how can the author say "as expected she still.."

Ofc as expected you didnt write it well and shove on my face that Sakura cant love Naruto because the drama must be finished at the end of the manga, how can this be good writing, it's the same thing that happened to Sasuke aswell, he just getting powerups because he has to keep up with Naruto and screw logic itself.

 

And there's much more about even the side-characters, akatsuki and the Jinchuurikis.

On my opinion Kishi is not a good writer just saying.

 

Bolded: it's still unbelievable evne with the forehead trump or whatever, doesnt change the fact that it didnt played any kind of role on the next 600+ chapters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[rocci]

Well I just realize what sai tell to naru and saku(in this case the reader) is basically this:
Naruto->sakura->sasuke

He never talk about what kind of the relationship for
sasuke->sakura->naruto

[Psychox]

Almost, the point is that, if it was "good" writing it would have a reason, but in fact there's none, you have to assume that "the pairing drama must stand" which is bad writing and even Kishi admitted it on the line he said "as expected she still..Sasuke".

 

Well, yeah,but he could've done anything but draw that dumb panel in 540, he could've just waited till 635 and then grasp the question.We don't know why loves Sasuke, we know that he just does,which unbelievably illogical and senseless just to give it in the end..
 

 

When i saw Sakura's flashback about Sasuke, it was totally unbelievable, it's like she didnt questioned her feelings for Sasuke even knowing that Naruto loves her during her confession to Naruto, so how could she say Naruto that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore?

It's totally contradictory, on better words, it sucked.

Are you referring to the flashback she had under the bridge?Well that was a kick in the teeth.Is it bad writing or it deals with her character trait '' human weakness'' ? - the inability to let go ?Why not question that love when its done nothing to you but brought pain,suffering,angst and many times brought you to tears?Did we really needed 540 for that job for her to realize that he is not a great guy? I mean she realized that Naruto was the better choice during her confession so why? Ugh...

 

THe fact is that even on the video about NaruSasuSaku, there's a part of "the things he said to me" referring to Sasuke.(he said nothing to Sakura).

The problem is this, people try hard to find a reason why Sakura clings up to Sasuke and what they think is a the bench scene that wasnt bought up for more than 646 chapters not even noticed on flashbacks and those stuff.

Is this okay?

 

What is this video? I've never seen it ^-^.

 

Almost, the point is that, if it was "good" writing it would have a reason, but in fact there's none, you have to assume that "the pairing drama must stand" which is bad writing and even Kishi admitted it on the line he said "as expected she still..Sasuke".

 

So, he kind of admits that himself during that interview in 2010?

 

You can put 540, 579 or even 631 but doesnt change the fact it's unbelievable, how can the author say "as expected she still.."

Ofc as expected you didnt write it well and shove on my face that Sakura cant love Naruto because the drama must be finished at the end of the manga, how can this be good writing, it's the same thing that happened to Sasuke aswell, he just getting powerups because he has to keep up with Naruto and screw logic itself.

Yup.

 

Bolded: it's still unbelievable even with the forehead trump or whatever, doesn't change the fact that it didnt played any kind of role on the next 600+ chapters.

 

I don't know about that, i mean why make the same story/past that Kushina had and inflict a similar insecurity then let Minato compliment on it, if not given it a thought to play that card later on for NaruSaku?

About the pairing drama, i asked an NH fan who side shipped SS of obvious reasons '' What if i told you that Kishi keeps her feelings for Sasuke for the sake of pairing drama'' he/she answered  - ''the only pairing drama left out there is with whom Sasuke will make baby's with '' like what?

 

Edited by Psychox, 27 September 2013 - 02:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Say other pairing : "But why there's naruto in it?"

Lol. Well, the post pretty much describes it as well, but I let them kick in. It's like if the businessman got schooled by a normal customer, the only thing they can say is, "But according to the chart..."

 

Well, there goes the full on fan-made theory... Right out the window. Good post 4life, mind if I keep the quote for further use?

Of course. I am hoping this is spread so I don't have to come across this argument in here at the very least.

 

Well I just realize what sai tell to naru and saku(in this case the reader) is basically this:
Naruto->sakura->sasuke

He never talk about what kind of the relationship for
sasuke->sakura->naruto

Sai almost spilled the bean on Sakura -> Naruto, though he does acknowledge that they are very close for now. As for Sasuke -> Sakura, not only he can't talk to him due to Sasuke's cold nature, but even before thinking about it, he can't trust him at all, which is not a good sign. In fact, Sai pretty much update his status for Sakura -> Sasuke from old love to depressing mistrust after seeing her smile. I wouldn't be surprised that he probably be the one to spill her lies to her and/or Naruto when the fight arrives. After all, it would seem that Kishi is building up that everyone except one don't trust Sasuke, much like Madara, so only Naruto can change that or else doomed to be like Hashirama.

[rocci]

@ns4life
When you buy the volume release, I suggest you to read author note and to be honest it will make you understand this manga more and not easily depressed when thing didn't happen the way we hope.

Oh btw, I believe Hinata sketch is one of author note along. And try read karakuri, it's kishi first manga and I think you will understand certain thing in this manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
When you buy the volume release, I suggest you to read author note and to be honest it will make you understand this manga more and not easily depressed when thing didn't happen the way we hope.

Oh btw, I believe Hinata sketch is one of author note along. And try read karakuri, it's kishi first manga and I think you will understand certain thing in this manga.

Who said I was depressed?

 

What do you mean about the last sentence?

[rocci]

@ns4life
Oh sorry, what I mean about some people high hope/expectation for this manga, and when what their expect doesn't happen usually they become disappoint, they is (some)naruto fandom.

Karakuri is kishi first manga, when you read it you will find sasuke with naruto personalities and you will find sakura prototype.

[rikakim94]

@ns4life
Oh sorry, what I mean about some people high hope/expectation for this manga, and when what their expect doesn't happen usually they become disappoint, they is (some)naruto fandom.

Karakuri is kishi first manga, when you read it you will find sasuke with naruto personalities and you will find sakura prototype.

 

Also he made mario which was another manga he made before naruto. 

 

http://www.mangapark...anga/mario/c1/1

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Oh sorry, what I mean about some people high hope/expectation for this manga, and when what their expect doesn't happen usually they become disappoint, they is (some)naruto fandom.

Karakuri is kishi first manga, when you read it you will find sasuke with naruto personalities and you will find sakura prototype.

Oh ok. I know what you mean now. That's the thing though. I think Kishi is being pushed around too hard on his work especially since this is his first major one. Even though it has Shounen elements, it's definitely different from others. Not complete different but different enough. Not a lot of characters in other series usually change permanently or anything. I know in One Piece, they do develop, but sometimes, it feels the same. Not jabbing One Piece but just saying. In Naruto, these guys are evolving, especially Naruto. Looking back, he was annoying brat with a good heart. Now, he's a man with a big heart but does dumb things when he knows no better. I do wonder how Death Note got away with it.

I remember that manga. It's funny how many of his works always have larger than life character rather than a scary twisted character. The odd thing is looking at it now, it feels like ObiRin. The girl is innocent and the main character is a brave idiot guy. The way I see it, Kishi's writing has always been the same with one different exception. In Bench, it's bromance (SasuNaru). In Mario, it's romance (NaruSaku). In that one, it's well, like the last. Not saying that's the one-shot main genre, but you can see what it's trying to tell and could have been expanded if his work gets greenlighted. Personally, I'll go with Mario, especially since KHR didn't do me any justice. But yeah, you can read Kishi's writing through.

[Inferno180]

I honestly cannot believe this happened but I recently had to discuss with another fan going crazy over the "secret lovers" team in UNS3 and tell them why they shouldn't go using just one small team name as a basis for proof NH would happen. The fan wanted to know my reasons and I told him well for one it was a game that though derived from the canon material, the team names were just constructed for similar aspects or traits characters had. Basically in the same way Sakura, Ino, and Karin had crushes on Sasuke, the similar trait for the "secret lovers" was referring to how Naruto and Hinata both had secret crushes on another, on Sakura and Naruto respectively. The fan got angry and said I was wrong, yet I gave him more examples like Gutsy master and student (Jiraya and Naruto) dangerous fellows (Itachi and Kisame) Swordsmen of the mist (Zabuza, Kisame, Sugestsu, yes he is counted). Medical Ninja (Sakura, Tsunade, Kabuto). The guy then did something I never expected he pulled the argument of the legend path being harder as more merit and reason because it is the canon path. This was the same reason I told here a few days ago.

 

So naturally I had to tell the guy ok, lets look at all the boss battles with a choice and see which is related to the content of the manga, even the anime we can call in for this one just to give him a chance. The battles ranged from the nine tails attack on konha and officially the shippuden battles of the game go from the land of iron to Naruto and Bee facing Obito but he is defeated before Kakashi and Guy arrive. I listed every boss battle that had a choice in the game and told him if there was a canon choice or if they were negliible and had no difference.

 

Prolouge fight: Minato vs. Masked Man and Hiruzen vs. Kurama

Hero choice: Just play as Hiruzen and face Kurama bypassing the first fight against Obito

Legend: Play as Minato till Obito is down to half life, then go to the Hiruzen fight, then back to Obito for the finale.

 

Result? You don't change anything, this choice only gets you a bypass in one fight. Both happened in the manga so nothing is changed.

 

Chapter 1 boss: Sasuke vs. the 5 kage (includes Gaara, a samuari fighting stage, and Mei as bosses)

You always face Gaara first then Ay comes in and collapses the ceiling, Sasuke and Karin go after Danzo

Hero choice: go right after Danzo and face less Samurai on the way.

Legend: Salughter all in your path, basically you face many more Samuri

 

Result? This one is subjective, in the manga Sasuke was keen on just going right after Danzo but also was heartless to cut down all in his path. This one really doesn't have much difference. Really nothing changed from either side. In fact in the manga, he cuts down a few Samurai before facing Ay and Gaara. Then it just goes to hunting Danzo. So if anything, Hero is closer. 1 for Hero path being a canon choice.

 

Chapter 2 boss: Naruto vs. Sasuke (team 7 reunion)

Naruto faces Sasuke in a full battle unlike the short clash in the manga.

Hero: flashback on the valley of the end

Legend: flashback of the reunion during the Sasuke and sai arc.

 

Result? Both are flashbacks and canon moments, just legend is harder. Really changes nothing so no choice earns anything since they are flashbacks which both occurred.

 

Chapter 4 boss :Naruto (in sage mode) vs. Kurama

Bee (optional support) later Kushina comes in

 

Hero: go into battle with Bee as support to pummel Kurama

Legend: go it alone without bees help

 

Result? In the manga bee helped for a limited time, this is exactly how it goes in the battle too, after the first phase you loose Bee's support even if you chose it. Hero was obviously canon here, even was shown in previews before release. Hero choices being canon: 2.

 

Chapter 6 boss: The 7 swordsmen of the mists)

A complex boss fight, consists of a teamup of Kakashi, Sakura, Guy, and Lee against Zabuza and the rest of the swordsmen save Kisame. Kakashi heads off to face Zabuza leaving Sakura, Guy, and Lee to face the other 6. The choice here is how to take them on.

 

Hero choice: Sakura says they should split them up and try to take them down more effectively. You first play as Sakura against one swordsman, then you play as lee facing 2 of the swordsmen with Sakura as assist. Finally you play as Guy against 3 swordsmen with both Sakura and Lee as assists. All stages of this choice have the swordsmen reenforced by white zetsu enemies.

 

Legend choice: Guy being all impatient faces all 6 at once with Sakura and Lee as support. No white zetsu are present in this path.

 

Final part of the battle is always Kakashi vs. Zabuza.

 

Result? Well I would have to say again, Hero. They were instructed to split them up in the manga by Kakashi's orders. Even the anime fillers had them split up. Hero is the canon choice again.

 

Chapter 7 boss: Choji vs the Gedo Mazo statue

 

Basically a giant godzilla like fight.

 

Hero choice: You get Kitsuhi's help with his giant earth wall support to immobilize the gedo statue

legend: you don't have support

 

result? Well kitsuhi actually DID use his giant technique on the gedo statue, just in the manga it did nothing cause its well, the ten tails in truth. Hero is a canon one, again.

 

This is when the final fights come up and the game diverts from the main story

 

final chapter, first boss: 5 kage vs Madara:

 

In this fight you are tsunade, you have gaara as a permanent guard support, Ay as a permanent offensive support, and the third support swaps out between Mei and Ohnoki. The choice comes near the end when Madara unleashes his Susanno.

 

Hero choice: Tsunade unleashes her seal allowing her to heal. This lets you gain life back as you need.

Legend choice: face Madara head on and use the power of all the kage combined. You gain a support attack in which all 5 strike Madara to weaken him for you to pummel.

 

Result? Well this fight is diverted from the story, but even then both choices have occured, Tsunade did release her seal AND the 5 kage were working together so nothing really occurs for this one.

 

final boss 2: Naruto and Bee vs. Obito and his tailed beasts

 

This fight goes from facing the edo jinchurki to the tailed beasts to Naruto and Kurama working together for tailed beast mode, to finally one on one with Obito. The choice is at the start

 

Hero choice: facing the jinchurki, Naruto splits up from Bee to take on Yagura, Roshi, and Utakata.

Legend choice: Naruto faces all 6 paths with Bee. Bee is support. Yagura, roshi, and Utakata start off the fight but when one is beaten, Yugito takes their place, followed by Han, and finally fu. Long as a slot is "open" a new reserve Jinchurki will come into the fight.

 

Result? The only thing canon about this fight is how it began. Rather this is the biggest irony of all, the one fight the legend choice is canon. Naruto and Bee DID face all the 6 paths at once

 

So what is the tally?

Hero: 4

Legend: 1

 

Even then the game is non-canon, only canon dereived. Even still, it further doesn't help their case when Sakura still had a role even in a boss battle at least. She had 2 fights, against Sasuke and against the swordsmen. Hinata didn't even have a single line in the story , she just stood in the background. You actually dont even hear Hinata until the secret factor in the final battle against obito and some people thought that she was important because she appeared first. Just god, is everything like so critical in this game it must be reason for NH, but even then the hero path is still walking closer to the canon path. So know what we can argue then? If those end missions with Sakura and Hinata are so important and hero follows more canon material, then a NS ending is more possible now. But thats a dumb argument, I mean why bother, the manga is all that matters.

 

So after I spoke this to the fan, again he was angry and left. This was the most recent time I have seen people angry over UNS3 since 631 came out and I had people repeatingly quit because I used a team of Naruto, Sakura, and Minato. I'm serious, just how far can fandom pairing hate go? This is just becoming well, quite scary if pairings matter THAT MUCH.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, that's some story you told. You know, I should go back playing Naruto and see how much hate I'll get. My team is Naruto/Sakura. Funny, because I used that team as well when RtN was out. I was hyped. But yeah, I remember one guy tried so hard to beat my combo. I got 22 wins. He was cool though. Yeah, I'll play again soon. Maybe when Naruto manga gets to "that" moment.

And yes, NS got more moments in story and side missions. You get NH only in side missions, which one of them is 559 deluxe edition. Ironic. Believe me, these developers know.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 September 2013 - 09:28 PM.

[Dkey]

Wow, that's some story you told. You know, I should go back playing Naruto and see how much hate I'll get. My team is Naruto/Sakura. Funny, because I used that team as well when RtN was out. I was hyped. But yeah, I remember one guy tried so hard to beat my combo. I got 22 wins. He was cool though. Yeah, I'll play again soon. Maybe when Naruto manga gets to "that" moment.

And yes, NS got more moments in story and side missions. You get NH only in side missions, which one of them is 559 deluxe edition. Ironic. Believe me, these developers know.

 

well at least we know that  NH has more potential in the expanded universe than the main story. Haven't played the game but it seems that even thou they gave some fan service to NH they haven't neglected NS. But there are some very loud NH fans that go on and on that this is undeniable proof. Well it isn't.

It all comes to preference really and for NH fans they see this fan service or small moments as so huge but when it comes to NS moments that are just in a balance regarding humor, feelings, fan service and all that, they say it doesn't exist.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Oh ok. I know what you mean now. That's the thing though. I think Kishi is being pushed around too hard on his work especially since this is his first major one. Even though it has Shounen elements, it's definitely different from others. Not complete different but different enough. Not a lot of characters in other series usually change permanently or anything. I know in One Piece, they do develop, but sometimes, it feels the same. Not jabbing One Piece but just saying. In Naruto, these guys are evolving, especially Naruto. Looking back, he was annoying brat with a good heart. Now, he's a man with a big heart but does dumb things when he knows no better. I do wonder how Death Note got away with it.

I remember that manga. It's funny how many of his works always have larger than life character rather than a scary twisted character. The odd thing is looking at it now, it feels like ObiRin. The girl is innocent and the main character is a brave idiot guy. The way I see it, Kishi's writing has always been the same with one different exception. In Bench, it's bromance (SasuNaru). In Mario, it's romance (NaruSaku). In that one, it's well, like the last. Not saying that's the one-shot main genre, but you can see what it's trying to tell and could have been expanded if his work gets greenlighted. Personally, I'll go with Mario, especially since KHR didn't do me any justice. But yeah, you can read Kishi's writing through.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that.  How is it similar to Death Note?

 

I honestly cannot believe this happened but I recently had to discuss with another fan going crazy over the "secret lovers" team in UNS3 and tell them why they shouldn't go using just one small team name as a basis for proof NH would happen. The fan wanted to know my reasons and I told him well for one it was a game that though derived from the canon material, the team names were just constructed for similar aspects or traits characters had. Basically in the same way Sakura, Ino, and Karin had crushes on Sasuke, the similar trait for the "secret lovers" was referring to how Naruto and Hinata both had secret crushes on another, on Sakura and Naruto respectively. The fan got angry and said I was wrong, yet I gave him more examples like Gutsy master and student (Jiraya and Naruto) dangerous fellows (Itachi and Kisame) Swordsmen of the mist (Zabuza, Kisame, Sugestsu, yes he is counted). Medical Ninja (Sakura, Tsunade, Kabuto). The guy then did something I never expected he pulled the argument of the legend path being harder as more merit and reason because it is the canon path. This was the same reason I told here a few days ago.

 

So naturally I had to tell the guy ok, lets look at all the boss battles with a choice and see which is related to the content of the manga, even the anime we can call in for this one just to give him a chance. The battles ranged from the nine tails attack on konha and officially the shippuden battles of the game go from the land of iron to Naruto and Bee facing Obito but he is defeated before Kakashi and Guy arrive. I listed every boss battle that had a choice in the game and told him if there was a canon choice or if they were negliible and had no difference.

 

Prolouge fight: Minato vs. Masked Man and Hiruzen vs. Kurama

Hero choice: Just play as Hiruzen and face Kurama bypassing the first fight against Obito

Legend: Play as Minato till Obito is down to half life, then go to the Hiruzen fight, then back to Obito for the finale.

 

Result? You don't change anything, this choice only gets you a bypass in one fight. Both happened in the manga so nothing is changed.

 

Chapter 1 boss: Sasuke vs. the 5 kage (includes Gaara, a samuari fighting stage, and Mei as bosses)

You always face Gaara first then Ay comes in and collapses the ceiling, Sasuke and Karin go after Danzo

Hero choice: go right after Danzo and face less Samurai on the way.

Legend: Salughter all in your path, basically you face many more Samuri

 

Result? This one is subjective, in the manga Sasuke was keen on just going right after Danzo but also was heartless to cut down all in his path. This one really doesn't have much difference. Really nothing changed from either side. In fact in the manga, he cuts down a few Samurai before facing Ay and Gaara. Then it just goes to hunting Danzo. So if anything, Hero is closer. 1 for Hero path being a canon choice.

 

Chapter 2 boss: Naruto vs. Sasuke (team 7 reunion)

Naruto faces Sasuke in a full battle unlike the short clash in the manga.

Hero: flashback on the valley of the end

Legend: flashback of the reunion during the Sasuke and sai arc.

 

Result? Both are flashbacks and canon moments, just legend is harder. Really changes nothing so no choice earns anything since they are flashbacks which both occurred.

 

Chapter 4 boss :Naruto (in sage mode) vs. Kurama

Bee (optional support) later Kushina comes in

 

Hero: go into battle with Bee as support to pummel Kurama

Legend: go it alone without bees help

 

Result? In the manga bee helped for a limited time, this is exactly how it goes in the battle too, after the first phase you loose Bee's support even if you chose it. Hero was obviously canon here, even was shown in previews before release. Hero choices being canon: 2.

 

Chapter 6 boss: The 7 swordsmen of the mists)

A complex boss fight, consists of a teamup of Kakashi, Sakura, Guy, and Lee against Zabuza and the rest of the swordsmen save Kisame. Kakashi heads off to face Zabuza leaving Sakura, Guy, and Lee to face the other 6. The choice here is how to take them on.

 

Hero choice: Sakura says they should split them up and try to take them down more effectively. You first play as Sakura against one swordsman, then you play as lee facing 2 of the swordsmen with Sakura as assist. Finally you play as Guy against 3 swordsmen with both Sakura and Lee as assists. All stages of this choice have the swordsmen reenforced by white zetsu enemies.

 

Legend choice: Guy being all impatient faces all 6 at once with Sakura and Lee as support. No white zetsu are present in this path.

 

Final part of the battle is always Kakashi vs. Zabuza.

 

Result? Well I would have to say again, Hero. They were instructed to split them up in the manga by Kakashi's orders. Even the anime fillers had them split up. Hero is the canon choice again.

 

Chapter 7 boss: Choji vs the Gedo Mazo statue

 

Basically a giant godzilla like fight.

 

Hero choice: You get Kitsuhi's help with his giant earth wall support to immobilize the gedo statue

legend: you don't have support

 

result? Well kitsuhi actually DID use his giant technique on the gedo statue, just in the manga it did nothing cause its well, the ten tails in truth. Hero is a canon one, again.

 

This is when the final fights come up and the game diverts from the main story

 

final chapter, first boss: 5 kage vs Madara:

 

In this fight you are tsunade, you have gaara as a permanent guard support, Ay as a permanent offensive support, and the third support swaps out between Mei and Ohnoki. The choice comes near the end when Madara unleashes his Susanno.

 

Hero choice: Tsunade unleashes her seal allowing her to heal. This lets you gain life back as you need.

Legend choice: face Madara head on and use the power of all the kage combined. You gain a support attack in which all 5 strike Madara to weaken him for you to pummel.

 

Result? Well this fight is diverted from the story, but even then both choices have occured, Tsunade did release her seal AND the 5 kage were working together so nothing really occurs for this one.

 

final boss 2: Naruto and Bee vs. Obito and his tailed beasts

 

This fight goes from facing the edo jinchurki to the tailed beasts to Naruto and Kurama working together for tailed beast mode, to finally one on one with Obito. The choice is at the start

 

Hero choice: facing the jinchurki, Naruto splits up from Bee to take on Yagura, Roshi, and Utakata.

Legend choice: Naruto faces all 6 paths with Bee. Bee is support. Yagura, roshi, and Utakata start off the fight but when one is beaten, Yugito takes their place, followed by Han, and finally fu. Long as a slot is "open" a new reserve Jinchurki will come into the fight.

 

Result? The only thing canon about this fight is how it began. Rather this is the biggest irony of all, the one fight the legend choice is canon. Naruto and Bee DID face all the 6 paths at once

 

So what is the tally?

Hero: 4

Legend: 1

 

Even then the game is non-canon, only canon dereived. Even still, it further doesn't help their case when Sakura still had a role even in a boss battle at least. She had 2 fights, against Sasuke and against the swordsmen. Hinata didn't even have a single line in the story , she just stood in the background. You actually dont even hear Hinata until the secret factor in the final battle against obito and some people thought that she was important because she appeared first. Just god, is everything like so critical in this game it must be reason for NH, but even then the hero path is still walking closer to the canon path. So know what we can argue then? If those end missions with Sakura and Hinata are so important and hero follows more canon material, then a NS ending is more possible now. But thats a dumb argument, I mean why bother, the manga is all that matters.

 

So after I spoke this to the fan, again he was angry and left. This was the most recent time I have seen people angry over UNS3 since 631 came out and I had people repeatingly quit because I used a team of Naruto, Sakura, and Minato. I'm serious, just how far can fandom pairing hate go? This is just becoming well, quite scary if pairings matter THAT MUCH.

 

Is this a chat from the game itself or a forum? 

 

With the lack of support, all NH fans can do is either walk away or concede.  If they don't want to concede, they walk away, angry or not, that's what they do. They have no facts for their couple, and as a result, have to make up their own, using non-canon material.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
well at least we know that  NH has more potential in the expanded universe than the main story. Haven't played the game but it seems that even thou they gave some fan service to NH they haven't neglected NS. But there are some very loud NH fans that go on and on that this is undeniable proof. Well it isn't.
It all comes to preference really and for NH fans they see this fan service or small moments as so huge but when it comes to NS moments that are just in a balance regarding humor, feelings, fan service and all that, they say it doesn't exist.

You know, in the main story, they skipped many interactions with Naruto and side characters. However, they covered Naruto and Sakura as well as extending it. No joke. I have the game and I don't lie. It's like what I said. NH is just side pairing that we can like and most likely create a fanfic out of it. It's a bonus for something to get us talking the ifs. She's not the first.

[Darkness]

@Inferno

 

I've read somewhere that in all Naruto games they delete Hinata's confession part. She always says something like:

 

"Naruto... I..."

 

"because.... I...."

 

If they are so certain the game has influence in the manga itself, why don't they explain this?

 

PS: I'm not sure if this is 100% accurate since I've never played the games myself.

Edited by Darkness, 27 September 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I'm not sure what you mean by that.  How is it similar to Death Note?
 

Oh no, I went off-topic. Sort of. I said that because it was different from usual Shounen and well it was pretty dark. Especially the ending (manga).

[Dkey]

You know, in the main story, they skipped many interactions with Naruto and side characters. However, they covered Naruto and Sakura as well as extending it. No joke. I have the game and I don't lie. It's like what I said. NH is just side pairing that we can like and most likely create a fanfic out of it. It's a bonus for something to get us talking the ifs. She's not the first.

 

I kinda noticed that too with Peirott. If they somehow could squeeze some more NS they would've. But for some it was irrelevant.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Inferno
 
I've read somewhere that in all Naruto games they delete Hinata's confession part. She always says something like:
 
"Naruto... I..."
 
"because.... I...."
 
If they are so certain the game has influence in the manga itself, why don't they explain this?
 
PS: I'm not sure if this is 100% accurate since I've never played the games myself.

That's true actually. Yet NS moments especially the hug are in.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 September 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I kinda noticed that too with Peirott. If they somehow could squeeze some more NS they would've. But for some it was irrelevant.

Yeah, they somehow put Sakura's scenes in the episode where Naruto gets BM. Not saying that was NS but they made her think about him. Hm. That happened the same with the game where Sakura gets ready for war as she hopes Naruto gets strong in her thoughts.