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[sushi.]

Oh, my bad. I got confused. Couldn't figure out what I said wrong.

The post I replied to? I tried as best as I could. You didn't say anything wrong, just something I disagree with. You didn't committ a crime, it's not that serious ya know. It's just that I've encountered that "Hinata fans destroys her character, they piss me off, but it's funny" attitude many times. Some members here tend to say these things, and I want to share my opinion. "Hey there, I disagree with you!". Why you say, I can't explain it better than I did in my last post.

^Yes, she was always talking about her and Naruto, always with words like "us", "you", "together", "you and me", not "you, me and Sasuke-kun".

Edited by sushi., 23 January 2013 - 12:23 AM.

[MangaReader]

The post I replied to? I tried as best as I could. You didn't say anything wrong, just something I disagree with. You didn't committ a crime, it's not that serious ya know. It's just that I've encountered that "Hinata fans destroys her character, they piss me off, but it's funny" attitude many times. Some members here tend to say these things, and I want to share my opinion. "Hey there, I disagree with you!". Why you say, I can't explain it better than I did in my last post.

What I love is that double standard that we're the one's being biased while the other group gets off scot-free.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

What I love is that double standard that we're the one's being biased while the other group gets off scot-free.

Well, to be fair, everyone is biased. And I'm pretty sure both fanbases get their share of bashing. NaruSaku more so, only because we have both the NH and SS sides hating our guts.

[swagosaurus]

Well, to be fair, everyone is biased. And I'm pretty sure both fanbases get their share of bashing. NaruSaku more so, only because we have both the NH and SS sides hating our guts.

Not to mention the Sakura haters. D:

[sushi.]

What I love is that double standard that we're the one's being biased while the other group gets off scot-free.

You're talking about the fact that it's taboo to dislike Hinata, but cool to dislike Sakura? By doing such things..it's like you get a status on YT.

Unless I got you wrong of course. XD

RomanceG, this counts especially for shippers. I've said it before, but pairings are often about preferences and wishes. Don't mix your preference with your predictions. As for me, I both prefer NS to become canon, and I happen to believe it as well.

Edited by sushi., 23 January 2013 - 12:31 AM.

[MangaReader]

You're talking about the fact that it's taboo to dislike Hinata, but cool to dislike Sakura? By doing such things..it's like you get a status on YT.

Unless I got you wrong of course. XD

Pretty much anything involving the two really. Like me saying Naruto might actually like Hinata would be an okay response, but if I follow it up with saying Sakura might actually like Naruto, I'll got spammed with how wrong I am as Sakura is clearly only in love with Sasuke

Edited by MangaReader, 23 January 2013 - 12:33 AM.

[kirabook]

I think some got confused.

MangaReaders post is completely to Dalton's post. The way the thread went made it look as if MangaReader was replying to Dalton's post, but that is not the case.


As for disliking Hinata because of her fanbase, I can understand that. It's not the characters fault at all, but the issue is, the fanbase exaggerates the characters good points to an extreme. Because of that, non-Hinata fans have to actually balance her character to a normal level so that the manga can be interpreted correctly. Usually, a lot of that leveling involves looking at her feats critically, comparing her characters to other characters, and listing her accomplishments in compared to others accomplishments.

Sometimes, it might be unfair to do that, but what can you do? You can't let Hinata fan dribble seep into your perception of canon, to keep a level head, sometimes it feels as if you have to hate her or else her presence will seep into everything you like about the manga. The easiest thing to do in this case is ignore her fanbase altogether.

Before I became involved in the fanbase, I really didn't like her, not because of the fanbase (because I wasn't involved int he fanbase), but because she reminded me about the manga things I didn't like about myself back then. I didn't like how she was, but I assumed she would grow out of that like other characters did. Sadly, she did not. I don't really hater her, but I definitely do not care for her, she is just disappointing. Now a days, I can't help but admit I will probably never like her character because the fanbase has 'ruined' her for me. Looking at her as she is is no longer possible, when I see her, I don't see Hinata, I immediately see how her fanbase will react to her actions.

Similar with Sasuke, all I see is burning hatred. XD (not because of his fanbase though) Usually when I'm reading the manga, I see all the characters as they are, but with Hinata, she is no longer a 'character', she is the embodiment of her fanbase. Not exactly fair to Hinata, but there isn't much I can do about it now. I know that I don't hate her, her fanbase is not her fault for the most part. But for many reasons, including her fanbase, I will never come to like her.

(Sakura is disappointing too, but not because of what she has done, but rather Kishi has not expanded on her character enough for me when he dropped all sorts of hints that he would, but I still see Sakura, I still like her.)

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

You're talking about the fact that it's taboo to dislike Hinata, but cool to dislike Sakura? By doing such things..it's like you get a status on YT.

Unless I got you wrong of course. XD

RomanceG, this counts especially for shippers. I've said it before, but pairings are often about preferences and wishes. Don't mix your preference with your predictions. As for me, I both prefer NS to become canon, and I happen to believe it as well.

Very true. I have a preference to NS, as do all of us here. I'm pretty sure out of the Big 3, one or two of us is confusing our preferences with reality. I'm always reminded of those NH fans who say "Naruto totally is in love with Hinata now" or "Hinata is gonna get killed by Obito because Naruto loves her." Granted, some of the NS fans aren't any better, but I just feel like it has more ground to support it as the end pairing. I'm biased I know xD but SS and NH fans saying their couple is canon or will be make me think they are confusing preferences with reality.


MangaReader, I feel you. I left a comment on Sawyer7mage's review about why Hinata probably won't get killed to connect NaruHina to ObiRin and instead it'd be NaruSaku and within the first hour, I had a agressive NH fan trying to prove me wrong.

[Slextrem]

...The NS fans enjoy this heart-breaking shipping moment through tears, all the while seeing it going just as planned. Obito gets talk no jutsued somehow, resulting in Sakura's ressurrection and NaruSaku development. Maybe Naruto hugs Sakura out of his relief that she's alright.

LOL. Your prediction here made me laugh. That would be the best troll.

But in all seriousness, I want to bring up something that I posted yesterday that was ignored. People keep saying how exciting it would be for Sakura to die and for Obito to bring her back to life in the end, but is that really probable? Don't get me wrong, I understand where everyone is coming from, but there's something that a lot of us aren't taking into consideration...

I could see Obito being redeemed and using the Rinnegan to revive Sakura for Naruto if he were the only enemy they were facing. The problem is that Obito isn't the only bad guy there. Madara is heavily involved in this fight too and he wants the Rinne Tensei to be used on himself. I can't imagine him standing down while Obito, an underling that is significantly weaker than himself, wastes his last chance at being officially revived on Sakura.

Think of it this way: Do you think that Nagato would have been able to use Rinne Tensei on the villagers had Madara been standing beside him at the time? Hell no. This is Madara we're talking about! If the parallel situation occurs with Madara present, chances are he will do something to interrupt Rinne Tensei, whether that's done by simply attacking Obito before he completes the jutsu or killing him on the spot. Either way, we would be left with a permanently dead heroine.

This is the reason why I don't want Sakura to die for the sake of the Obi/Rin Naru/Saku parallel. As powerful of a moment as it might be for NaruSaku, I'm not willing to risk the existence of my favorite character. Unless someone powerful enough to distract Madara from the scene shows up, I just can't see him allowing Obito to perform Rinne Tensei.

Good luck with that though...

Edited by Slextrem, 23 January 2013 - 12:53 AM.

[sushi.]

^Yes RomanceG, I am just glad I happen to share my predictions with my preferences, at least when it comes to pairings. Some people forget that they are two different things, and need to divide them.

kirabook, I think you explained your post very well. Thanks for clearing it up, it really depends on the extent of how much the fans ruined her and how much it ruins the manga for you.

Slextrem, if that happens, by the time it does, the entire alliance will be all worn out. : D Not able to fight Madara. Whoops, this'll be exciting.

Edited by sushi., 23 January 2013 - 01:01 AM.

[MangaReader]

MangaReader, I feel you. I left a comment on Sawyer7mage's review about why Hinata probably won't get killed to connect NaruHina to ObiRin and instead it'd be NaruSaku and within the first hour, I had a agressive NH fan trying to prove me wrong.

I think we've all suffered from this at one point in time... it's just sad that this is literally the only place I know to actually like Sakura and post positive things about her. But no matter, I'm glad to be a NaruSaku shipper, all the the ships feel too mainstream given how much people love Hinata for whatever reason. I don't hate her, in fact she's a pretty basic character that I would love to see improve... but that fanbase, you just can't talk to most of them about anything.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

LOL. Your prediction here made me laugh. That would be the best troll.

But in all seriousness, I want to bring up something that I posted yesterday that was ignored. People keep saying how exciting it would be for Sakura to die and for Obito to bring her back to life in the end, but is that really probable? Don't get me wrong, I understand where everyone is coming from, but there's something that a lot of us aren't taking into consideration...

I could see Obito being redeemed and using the Rinnegan to revive Sakura for Naruto if he were the only enemy they were facing. The problem is that Obito isn't the only bad guy there. Madara is heavily involved in this fight too and he wants the Rinne Tensei to be used on himself. I can't imagine him standing down while Obito, an underling that is significantly weaker than himself, wastes his last chance at being officially revived on Sakura.

Think of it this way: Do you think that Nagato would have been able to use Rinne Tensei on the villagers had Madara been standing beside him at the time? Hell no. This is Madara we're talking about! If the parallel situation occurs with Madara present, chances are he will do something to interrupt Rinne Tensei, whether that's done by simply attacking Obito before he completes the jutsu or killing him on the spot. Either way, we would be left with a permanently dead heroine.

This is the reason why I don't want Sakura to die for the sake of the Obi/Rin Naru/Saku parallel. As powerful of a moment as it might be for NaruSaku, I'm not willing to risk the existence of my favorite character. Unless someone powerful enough to distract Madara from the scene shows up, I just can't see him allowing Obito to perform Rinne Tensei.

Good luck with that though...

That was point of that predication. Entertainment is my calling.

Your point her is very valid, Slex. I'm surprised no one responded to it. And I understand your concerns. No matter what, Sakura dying would scare me 'cause she's my favorite character besides Naruto. I've never forgotten about Madara, even if posts kinda seem that way. However, the reason I've never actually expressed it as a obstacle was because my interpretation of Kishimoto doesn't think he'd do it. Sakura could be killed, but one of Kishimoto's weaknesses is his inability to kill off a lot of characters. The Pain Arc, for example. A lot of characters died then but he pulled a Dragonball and brought everyone back to life. Including Kakashi a main character.

Kishimoto proved he can kill off others, but not important members in Team 7. At least permanently. Logically, Madara would prove to be a threat. However, I don't think it'd actually prevent her from being brought back because of the OP Uchiha. Kishimoto would be his sneaky self and do a author's Plot no Jutsu that enables Sakura to be ressurrected and not dead forever.

My reason for supporting this prediction so fervently is not because of the great NaruSakuness this would undoubtbly create. It's just an added bonus for me. I'd enjoy and probably shed strong shipping tears, but I don't want it to happen because Naruto's feelings for her will be confirmed. And I'm not fond of Sakura dying, I love her too much. However, my love for Naruto's character is stronger. He was badly demolished in 615 so Hinata could look better and develop ... it was disgraceful and horrid. If Naruto can come back from Sakura dying on his own, then his character redeems itself by giving up so easily in 615. Naruto's my favorite character, so I care about his growth more than anything else.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I think some got confused.

MangaReaders post is completely to Dalton's post. The way the thread went made it look as if MangaReader was replying to Dalton's post, but that is not the case.


As for disliking Hinata because of her fanbase, I can understand that. It's not the characters fault at all, but the issue is, the fanbase exaggerates the characters good points to an extreme. Because of that, non-Hinata fans have to actually balance her character to a normal level so that the manga can be interpreted correctly. Usually, a lot of that leveling involves looking at her feats critically, comparing her characters to other characters, and listing her accomplishments in compared to others accomplishments.

Sometimes, it might be unfair to do that, but what can you do? You can't let Hinata fan dribble seep into your perception of canon, to keep a level head, sometimes it feels as if you have to hate her or else her presence will seep into everything you like about the manga. The easiest thing to do in this case is ignore her fanbase altogether.

Before I became involved in the fanbase, I really didn't like her, not because of the fanbase (because I wasn't involved int he fanbase), but because she reminded me about the manga things I didn't like about myself back then. I didn't like how she was, but I assumed she would grow out of that like other characters did. Sadly, she did not. I don't really hater her, but I definitely do not care for her, she is just disappointing. Now a days, I can't help but admit I will probably never like her character because the fanbase has 'ruined' her for me. Looking at her as she is is no longer possible, when I see her, I don't see Hinata, I immediately see how her fanbase will react to her actions.

Similar with Sasuke, all I see is burning hatred. XD (not because of his fanbase though) Usually when I'm reading the manga, I see all the characters as they are, but with Hinata, she is no longer a 'character', she is the embodiment of her fanbase. Not exactly fair to Hinata, but there isn't much I can do about it now. I know that I don't hate her, her fanbase is not her fault for the most part. But for many reasons, including her fanbase, I will never come to like her.

(Sakura is disappointing too, but not because of what she has done, but rather Kishi has not expanded on her character enough for me when he dropped all sorts of hints that he would, but I still see Sakura, I still like her.)

Yeah, it is kinda sad with Hinata's fanbase.

In Sasuke's case, it's how Kishimoto has portrayed him. That's probably why some fans would be like that about him, especially his desire for revenge and his hatred eating him up.

Of course, I hope Kishimoto works on Sakura soon.

[Chatte]

The thing with Madara is that he's at Obito's mercy. Because if he does something to Obito, his chances for being revived are bye-bye.
As well, Obito still has one Rinnegan left. And I wonder where's the second one ever since he took Nagato's eyes. Because there's only 1 implanted. The other is... God knows where.

[pharix]

why would Madara want to be revived? he's immortal right now ._.

[MangaReader]

Yeah, it is kinda sad with Hinata's fanbase.

In Sasuke's case, it's how Kishimoto has portrayed him. That's probably why some fans would be like that about him, especially his desire for revenge and his hatred eating him up.

Of course, I hope Kishimoto works on Sakura soon.

Hinata's over glorified... some reasons are pretty perverted though (which apparently is reason people bash Sakura as well)

At least we know we suppose to not like him... it's not his fanbase that makes me dislike (but I do like his role) his character.

I assure you, it will happen

Edited by MangaReader, 23 January 2013 - 01:25 AM.

[Slextrem]

why would Madara want to be revived? he's immortal right now ._.

His current objective is to be officially revived and become the jinchuriki of the Jyuubi. Still, you bring up a valid point. If he's immortal now, why would he want to give that up?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

After reading Kirabook's post, I'm motivated to type this:

YES. The rabid Hinata fans, I can never understand. I'll say it straight: It's very easy for me to come off completely anti-Hinata, like I hate her or something. I rarely have anything nice to say about her. However, I truly don't hate her overall. I always see her fanbase exaggerate and glorify ever possible aspect of Hinata and it's just a complete and total "?". If Hinata actually had a normal fanbase that didn't constantly bash NS or Sakura, I would be able to read the manga or watch the anime more easier with Hinata involved. I wouldn't be nearly as critical of Hinata and her more negative traits if her fans actually had a realistic view of her. Unfortunately, they don't which drives me to try and say "Hinata did this wrong, She did this wrong too." I hate how I fall into this age-old pattern of trying to get people down to earth over Hinata and when I do, I'm called a basher. "Hinata has a selfish streak in her." Fact. Yet I get attacked and called a total basher.

I just hate how everyone coddles her, like she's some little puppy or kitten you have to shelter. What's so special about Hinata? I ask myself this all the time. The only moment in time I actually sort of liked Hinata was during the Chunin Exams. Sure she was Naruto-centric, but at least she had other goals outside of it. At that point, it didn't even seem Hinata felt she had to be in a relationship with Naruto. All she asked for then was acknowledgement. Winning Naruto's heart was something she'd love to have, but it wasn't exactly an objective. Having his acknowledgement was enough. Back then, she also hated how her father didn't believe in her. Hinata wanted his acknowledgement as well. It wasn't just Naruto. I liked and supported that, anticipating when she'd get the confidence to fulfil her heiress role.

Cue Part 2. As the series rolled on, my partial fondness of her disappeared. More and more, I realized Hinata never once mentioned her heiress role. NOT ONCE. It's almost nonexistent. Now it's always "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun". What happened to her heiress role? Does she still even care? Is Naruto now more important than being the proper leader for the Hyuga Clan? Yes, you could argue it doesn't mean she's forgotten just because she doesn't think about it. However, her thoughts frequently support that Naruto's her most important objective. It's implied she cares more about Naruto than becoming the true Hyuga heiress she's supposed to be. I'm sorry, but if your most important goal is to be with the man you're "in love" with instead of gaining practical leadership skills for the future ... what does that say about you as a person? Do the Hinata/NaruHina fans even think about this before spouting "Aww Hinata's an angel. She's so perfect and cute. She'll be with Naruto, no doubt."

Hinata's character seems to have worsened more than it's improved. Having confidence is a big plus, I'm cheering for her there. However, Kishimoto really screwed up here. She's directing her newfound confidence to the wrong source. Hinata's main objective in Part 1 was to have Naruto acknowledge her abilities. She has gotten that in the war ("Don't worry, you're strong Hinata!" -Naruto). But she still wants more. Hinata's now confident enough to pursue a relationship with Naruto, possibly having deluded herself that he returns her feelings. 573 was very overt and specific. Hinata's got the acknowledgement (Something that would satisfy Part 1 Hinata), now she wants the relationship. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be with the one you love. Good for her. Naruto wants to be with Sakura. Good for him. Unlike Naruto (who definitely does not revolve around merely being in a relationship with Sakura as his only goal, something I like about him), Hinata cares about nothing else but being with her precious Naruto-kun. Everything else takes second place. Do you see what's wrong with this picture? It's sad, disappointing, and just ... really?

I also hate how in every panel I see her in, I have to brace myself for the annoyance that is her Naruto-obsessed thinking process. It gets tiring after a while. If it's not an understandable situation, Hinata constantly thinking about Naruto makes me irritated. Once, just once I would like to see Hinata thinking about something else other than Naruto every chapter. Alas, my faith in that decreases the more she neglects the possibility chapter after chapter. How is this a good character? Just how?

Okay. End Hinata rant.

[MangaReader]

His current objective is to be officially revived and become the jinchuriki of the Jyuubi. Still, you bring up a valid point. If he's immortal now, why would he want to give that up?

Being dead sucks... who the heck knows? XD

[StriderC]

LOL. Your prediction here made me laugh. That would be the best troll.

But in all seriousness, I want to bring up something that I posted yesterday that was ignored. People keep saying how exciting it would be for Sakura to die and for Obito to bring her back to life in the end, but is that really probable? Don't get me wrong, I understand where everyone is coming from, but there's something that a lot of us aren't taking into consideration...

I could see Obito being redeemed and using the Rinnegan to revive Sakura for Naruto if he were the only enemy they were facing. The problem is that Obito isn't the only bad guy there. Madara is heavily involved in this fight too and he wants the Rinne Tensei to be used on himself. I can't imagine him standing down while Obito, an underling that is significantly weaker than himself, wastes his last chance at being officially revived on Sakura.

Think of it this way: Do you think that Nagato would have been able to use Rinne Tensei on the villagers had Madara been standing beside him at the time? Hell no. This is Madara we're talking about! If the parallel situation occurs with Madara present, chances are he will do something to interrupt Rinne Tensei, whether that's done by simply attacking Obito before he completes the jutsu or killing him on the spot. Either way, we would be left with a permanently dead heroine.

This is the reason why I don't want Sakura to die for the sake of the Obi/Rin Naru/Saku parallel. As powerful of a moment as it might be for NaruSaku, I'm not willing to risk the existence of my favorite character. Unless someone powerful enough to distract Madara from the scene shows up, I just can't see him allowing Obito to perform Rinne Tensei.

Good luck with that though...

Simple. Naruto and Obito team up and take down Madara. Or Naruto fights Madara while Obito revives Sakura.

Actually, I don't really want her to die either, but it's one of the many possibilities here, and what it would bring is some pretty powerful reactions though it's something that some of us don't want to risk because what if she stays dead. And like you, she's my favorite Naruto character as well.

Edited by StriderC, 23 January 2013 - 02:12 AM.