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[rocci]

@ns4life
What is it? Is it cookie >.<

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
What is it? Is it cookie >.<

I'll let you know as soon as I get my pc cleaned. I need to make sure something.

[morgaine4]

Why some people think that when NS happen, it would be an asspull?

 

To some, anything involving Sakura is an asspull.

 

 

You can blush out of embarassment and other stuff.
I mean she was saying " i love you to Naruto" and she was doing that in front of a everyone literally, how she would not blush?

 

Mostly how she was telling the truth about her love for Naruto if quickly afterwarsd she knew she could not kill Sasuke because she loves him.
It's kinda contradictory to accept that she was telling the truth on her confession and ignore the summit and Sakura's flashback.

 

Like morgana said, Sakura does love Naruto but not on a romance/sexual level, she's still getting development to it.

 

That's not exactly what I said.  I sadi she loves Naruto for sure, but we don't know, and she doesn't know if she loves him in a romantic sense, if she could love him in a romantic sense.  I think it's possible that she does love him in a romantic sense, and just doesn't know it.  It's a major trope, and well it is something that happens in real life.  But she does love him, for sure, and IMO 100% and there's no doubt in my mind that her love for Naruto --romantic or not-- is deeper than her love for Sasuke.

 

I guess the debate here is: Can Sakura (or someone) have romantic feelings for two people?  Can Sakura (or someone) love someone romantically, and not be aware of her feelings?

 

Personally, I don't think it's necessary for Sakura to settle her feelings for Sasuke in order to fall for Naruto romantically, I think it's possiblt to care for multiple people romantically but still in slightly different ways, BUT story-wise I think it's important that Sakura gain some closure with respect to her feelings for Sasuke before she realizes her romantic feelings for Naruto, and to be honest I think this may take a while because if Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto then the romantic story, the major romantic tension is over and done with.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Before I begin, I want the mods to know this is not a bashing post, rather something that relates to the debate thread and it has been recurring countless times. Please understand the purpose of the post and acknowledge the info that is provided. Thank you.

 

Ok, after looking back at the old topics in here, I can finally talk about one thing. It's something that I must admit, I laughed at myself. Why? Because it's the argument that I can't believe that we are in the wrong track. What is it I'm talking about? Hinata's Sketch!

 

I looked back and saw so many responses to this sketch, wondering if Hinata was meant to be love interest for Naruto originally, wondering if this is an old work of his, or wondering if this is the old concept for her to be a Ramen girl or a normal civilian. I have seen people feared that the reason she is back now is because Kishi wants his old concept to come back and become Naruto's love interest. This is the excuse that NH fans used and NS fans must fight back and tried to argue with it. My argument is that it never said that she was meant to be his love interest, just to be a civilian. Even so, they didn't like the fact that she was created way before anything, so maybe she was made for Naruto. So the argument continues and I have never seen a concrete conclusion in here, because either no one steps in to tell us the real answer and/or we all don't know...

 

I got the answer.

 

Ok, no, I don't. My really good friend, Kronin, one of the few members in NF that I considered a well respectable person, has the answer. I like to see him as a good far-distance friend. I mean really far. He's a hardcore fan and he just happened to stop by in the time where the fandom argued about the sketch, so good timing. I used the same argument in here in there. So he finally stepped in because he has the book himself and so, it's time to get it straight. It turns out that...

 

I am wrong.

 

So, I made a big mistake and pretty much thought I told the truth. Only because I followed from one guy, that I will admit, so it wasn't the best source. I am sorry. That said is the love interest part true? It turns out that...

 

It is a lie.

 

Who came out with this lie? I have no idea, but we fell for it. Most of us did. I didn't think it was a complete lie, but here we are. Ending this myth once and for all or at least in here. Is the heroine part true? It turns out that...

 

It is false.

 

Ok, this one was pretty much given. Now then, what about the sketch? It's the old sketch from Kishi, back in the pilot days of Naruto. Well...

 

That is false.

 

That's right. So let me get this straight. The "infamous" sketch doesn't say she was made to be civilian, a ramen girl, etc., doesn't say she was going to be a heroine, doesn't say she was Naruto's love interest, and doesn't say that it was old sketch back in the early days. So, are they really true?

 

Yes.

 

So what did it say?

 

 

 

Sorry but I have to correct you about Hinata's part, actually it's not what Kishimoto said; that picture is included in the Databook and translating the description to the English (I own the volume) the author say:

"A colored Hinata drawn to act as a guideline. This design of Hinata in civilian clothes appear for the first time in this volume"

And below:

"I drew this just for fun" (title in blank)
"I drew this just for fun. It was to make it clear to my asisstent how Hinata had to be. I had drawn it thinking to the world of Naruto, but in the end came out a very normal girl (laughs)"

 

http://www.narutofor...6&postcount=239

 

So...wow. I feel like an idiot. Look, I am not bashing anyone, but I am giving you the reality and from now, whether you bookmark or not for future debate, this is the truth. If you see this again, just remember this. If not convinced, then let them be. We are good enough to not cross the line. This is not me celebrating but me feeling a burden has been lifted. I say this because this is the recurring argument that has come back constantly. So now, it doesn't help that much; however, this does hurt because that would mean Hinata was just made because of the manga direction, never intended since the very beginning. That's a big difference. Heck, as of now, the real legit reason for her is actually a fanservice that is covered, which Kishi actually said this. Not saying she can't have character, but don't expect big development because of its past, that is not existent. So yeah, that takes care of that.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 27 September 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[Psychox]

Hm its cute how she looks at him<3

 

but i have a question since Naruto is going to be with Sakura

 

What about Hinata? lot of NH fans told me this

 

She was always willing to win Naruto's love

 

What you guys think about this?

 

what would happen to Hinata if NaruSaku happened?

 

Hinata is a side character , she is lucky enough to have had such a large fanbase for Kishi to pay more attention to her and give her a few moments to ''shine'' and prove that she is strong and what not . She hasn't declared a dream to be Naruto's wife , people should stop reading that false translation from 633 '' i want to stay at  Naruto-kun's side forever!'' She has to learn to stay on her own two feet and not thinking of him at all. Learn to let him go and what not , she doesn't need him to be strong as she says in the raw ''I wanted to be by his side through out this whole them!"' even by one step ''  bla bla bla .. Her entire dialog in 615 and 633 is about friendship and moving forward -improving , her fans think otherwise..

And of course she never wanted her feelings to be reciprocated ..... . . . T_T His acknowledgment was the thing she was focused to win to badly , either that.. well... nothing special.
 

 

Hinata will go Dead Space on herself. I'm just kidding. She will be fine. People thinks she will go Obito on us. Like I said, that smile in 450 says it all.

 

hahaha, didn't know you played Dead Space.... -Isaaaaaaac
 

 

 

To some, anything involving Sakura is an asspull.

 

 

 

That's not exactly what I said.  I sadi she loves Naruto for sure, but we don't know, and she doesn't know if she loves him in a romantic sense, if she could love him in a romantic sense.  I think it's possible that she does love him in a romantic sense, and just doesn't know it.  It's a major trope, and well it is something that happens in real life.  But she does love him, for sure, and IMO 100% and there's no doubt in my mind that her love for Naruto --romantic or not-- is deeper than her love for Sasuke.

 

I guess the debate here is: Can Sakura (or someone) have romantic feelings for two people?  Can Sakura (or someone) love someone romantically, and not be aware of her feelings?

 

Personally, I don't think it's necessary for Sakura to settle her feelings for Sasuke in order to fall for Naruto romantically, I think it's possiblt to care for multiple people romantically but still in slightly different ways, BUT story-wise I think it's important that Sakura gain some closure with respect to her feelings for Sasuke before she realizes her romantic feelings for Naruto, and to be honest I think this may take a while because if Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto then the romantic story, the major romantic tension is over and done with.

 

Hm......... maybe this will answer some questions...

Kishimoto attributes this to him being unable to draw good heroine characters, and fashioned Sakura as a girl who cannot understand men, the best example of a heroine he could come up with.

I think this unravels some mysteries.
 

Edited by Psychox, 27 September 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

hahaha, didn't know you played Dead Space.... -Isaaaaaaac

Well, yes, I do. Oh, have you read my last post? I believe you was part of the conversation when that topic happened.

[Psychox]

Well, yes, I do. Oh, have you read my last post? I believe you was part of the conversation when that topic happened.

Its one of my favorite games xD, Yeah i do , i was the one to post the sketch when i first solicit in the site 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Its one of my favorite games xD, Yeah i do , i was the one to post the sketch when i first solicit in the site 

Yes, which caused the uproar. Lol. Not your fault. I hope everyone sees the post so the argument won't EVER happen again in here. I think I should bookmark it.

[Psychox]

Yes, which caused the uproar. Lol. Not your fault. I hope everyone sees the post so the argument won't EVER happen again in here. I think I should bookmark it.

Well i was new and didn't know my way around , so many arguments were thrown i just got intoxicated to learn this and that .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well i was new and didn't know my way around , so many arguments were thrown i just got intoxicated to learn this and that .

I'm only kidding. Lol. It was the old argument that kept tossing around. Then one day, that user finally came in the right time and spoke the truth. So yeah, I guess it's needed to be dealt with. This argument was actually old and kept coming around. I lived in a lie (lol), but now, I know. The more you learn.

[Psychox]

I'm only kidding. Lol. It was the old argument that kept tossing around. Then one day, that user finally came in the right time and spoke the truth. So yeah, I guess it's needed to be dealt with. This argument was actually old and kept coming around. I lived in a lie (lol), but now, I know. The more you learn.

My memory fails me ,but was it something written on the background of Hinata's sketch? Like a description ? And can we use that argument and march on against Narutopedia? Or its no use ?

[Dkey]

I'm only kidding. Lol. It was the old argument that kept tossing around. Then one day, that user finally came in the right time and spoke the truth. So yeah, I guess it's needed to be dealt with. This argument was actually old and kept coming around. I lived in a lie (lol), but now, I know. The more you learn.

 

It won't fix to much unfortunately. The ones who believe will keep believing. The only lucky ones are the ones who don't care about it.

[Darkness]

Wow, what an awesome post 4life. I guess your "present" is much better than a cookie. lol

 

Anyway, it just shows once again how the NH relationship is utterly and predominantly fan-sided. I would have never imagined some fans could literally asspull a theory like that. But well, the internet never ceases to amaze me.  

Edited by Darkness, 27 September 2013 - 08:04 AM.

[HauntedCake]

Good post 4life!

[TouKen4Life3g]

My memory fails me ,but was it something written on the background of Hinata's sketch? Like a description ? And can we use that argument and march on against Narutopedia? Or its no use ?

The one in the quote is the one that is written. That's the point that somehow, a made-up story occurred. Well, behold the truth.

 

 

It won't fix to much unfortunately. The ones who believe will keep believing. The only lucky ones are the ones who don't care about it.

That's sadly true. It's like the truth will never get acknowledged and when they do, it's not cared.

 

Wow, what an awesome post 4life. I guess your "present" is much better than a cookie. lol

 

Anyway, it just shows once again how the NH relationship is utterly and predominantly fan-sided. I would have never imagined some fans could literally asspull a theory like that. But well, the internet never ceases to amaze me.  

Thank you. Hey, I like cookies. Grabs some once I wake up.

 

Anyway, I am stunned to think that I was believing in a made-up theory/story. That being said it goes to show you that NH is really nothing but a bonus for anyone to pick up and play with it. I still wonder who started this theory.

 

Good post 4life!

Thank you. I hope this helps a lot.

[morgaine4]

 

Hm......... maybe this will answer some questions...

 

 

Kishimoto attributes this to him being unable to draw good heroine characters, and fashioned Sakura as a girl who cannot understand men, the best example of a heroine he could come up with.

I think this unravels some mysteries.
 

 

 

I'm never one to credit Kishimoto as being a perfect writer, but it's always surprised me when some accuse him of being an terrible writer because of how confused Sakura is in terms of romance when her confusion and ignorance has always been a part of the plan.  In this regard, Kishimoto has done well (though, I tend to think he's done a pretty good job in terms of Sakura's characterization, having her grow, stumble, and grow some more).

[Psychox]

 

I'm never one to credit Kishimoto as being a perfect writer, but it's always surprised me when some accuse him of being an terrible writer because of how confused Sakura is in terms of romance when her confusion and ignorance has always been a part of the plan.  In this regard, Kishimoto has done well (though, I tend to think he's done a pretty good job in terms of Sakura's characterization, having her grow, stumble, and grow some more).

That information comes from NarutoPedia ,so I'm not entirely sure if its correct or not ,but its something to think about.But,yeah, Sakura is the most interesting character there ever was , she has layers and its easy to relate to ^-^.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

To some, anything involving Sakura is an asspull.

 

 

 

That's not exactly what I said.  I sadi she loves Naruto for sure, but we don't know, and she doesn't know if she loves him in a romantic sense, if she could love him in a romantic sense.  I think it's possible that she does love him in a romantic sense, and just doesn't know it.  It's a major trope, and well it is something that happens in real life.  But she does love him, for sure, and IMO 100% and there's no doubt in my mind that her love for Naruto --romantic or not-- is deeper than her love for Sasuke.

 

I guess the debate here is: Can Sakura (or someone) have romantic feelings for two people?  Can Sakura (or someone) love someone romantically, and not be aware of her feelings?

 

Personally, I don't think it's necessary for Sakura to settle her feelings for Sasuke in order to fall for Naruto romantically, I think it's possiblt to care for multiple people romantically but still in slightly different ways, BUT story-wise I think it's important that Sakura gain some closure with respect to her feelings for Sasuke before she realizes her romantic feelings for Naruto, and to be honest I think this may take a while because if Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto then the romantic story, the major romantic tension is over and done with.

I think it is necessary due ot the plot and i dont think it's possible for her to care for multiple people romantically even if in slightly different ways, because well it's a shounen and this never happened on the story, Tsunade is there and she didnt got it.

I mean the story itself shows that it's not possible it to happen and on my personal opinion it would suck.

 

 

 

I'm never one to credit Kishimoto as being a perfect writer, but it's always surprised me when some accuse him of being an terrible writer because of how confused Sakura is in terms of romance when her confusion and ignorance has always been a part of the plan.  In this regard, Kishimoto has done well (though, I tend to think he's done a pretty good job in terms of Sakura's characterization, having her grow, stumble, and grow some more).

 

Well that's your opinion, on my opinion he's a terrible writer when he sticks up to this part.

Some stuff he does on purpose like having Sakura have lingering feelings for Sasuke as an example, when he says on the interview "as expected she still...Sasuke".
Yes i was expecting that too, but he depicted Sakura's love so terrible that it's difficult to swallow scenes like this and look at recently when he's pratically being forced to hide her feelings to create some fake suspense because yeah he did it poorly not on purpose but because he wrote himself into a corner.

 

Taka is too an example of this, he doesnt know what to do with them and i sincerely believe on this.

He broke and rebuild his concept many times and even on Obito's flashbacks he literally forget his databooks and put everyone on the same place despite the difference of age and other stuff on the databooks he posted, he copies a lot of concepts from other mangas and etc...

For me as a writer he's bad but on drawing i would give a 9 or 10.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[rocci]

@ns4life
Say other pairing : "But why there's naruto in it?"

@darkrest
I think kishi (very very very very) fatal weakness is character. Be it character conception, interaction to developement. I think his plot is good, but when he incorporate character well....

Special for interaction. the interaction in part one is good to the point it's believable but at some point it become... I don't know bland maybe?

Oh and I agree with paptala that kishi is indeed great at drawing emotion, just look at sakura confenssion in iron country.

Oh and I'm still narutard.

Edited by rocci, 27 September 2013 - 12:22 PM.

[arian_rad]

Before I begin, I want the mods to know this is not a bashing post, rather something that relates to the debate thread and it has been recurring countless times. Please understand the purpose of the post and acknowledge the info that is provided. Thank you.
 
Ok, after looking back at the old topics in here, I can finally talk about one thing. It's something that I must admit, I laughed at myself. Why? Because it's the argument that I can't believe that we are in the wrong track. What is it I'm talking about? Hinata's Sketch!
 
I looked back and saw so many responses to this sketch, wondering if Hinata was meant to be love interest for Naruto originally, wondering if this is an old work of his, or wondering if this is the old concept for her to be a Ramen girl or a normal civilian. I have seen people feared that the reason she is back now is because Kishi wants his old concept to come back and become Naruto's love interest. This is the excuse that NH fans used and NS fans must fight back and tried to argue with it. My argument is that it never said that she was meant to be his love interest, just to be a civilian. Even so, they didn't like the fact that she was created way before anything, so maybe she was made for Naruto. So the argument continues and I have never seen a concrete conclusion in here, because either no one steps in to tell us the real answer and/or we all don't know...
 

I got the answer.

 
Ok, no, I don't. My really good friend, Kronin, one of the few members in NF that I considered a well respectable person, has the answer. I like to see him as a good far-distance friend. I mean really far. He's a hardcore fan and he just happened to stop by in the time where the fandom argued about the sketch, so good timing. I used the same argument in here in there. So he finally stepped in because he has the book himself and so, it's time to get it straight. It turns out that...
 

I am wrong.

 

So, I made a big mistake and pretty much thought I told the truth. Only because I followed from one guy, that I will admit, so it wasn't the best source. I am sorry. That said is the love interest part true? It turns out that...
 

It is a lie.

 

Who came out with this lie? I have no idea, but we fell for it. Most of us did. I didn't think it was a complete lie, but here we are. Ending this myth once and for all or at least in here. Is the heroine part true? It turns out that...
 

It is false.

 

Ok, this one was pretty much given. Now then, what about the sketch? It's the old sketch from Kishi, back in the pilot days of Naruto. Well...
 

That is false.

 

That's right. So let me get this straight. The "infamous" sketch doesn't say she was made to be civilian, a ramen girl, etc., doesn't say she was going to be a heroine, doesn't say she was Naruto's love interest, and doesn't say that it was old sketch back in the early days. So, are they really true?
 

Yes.

 

So what did it say?
 
 
 
 
http://www.narutofor...6&postcount=239
 
So...wow. I feel like an idiot. Look, I am not bashing anyone, but I am giving you the reality and from now, whether you bookmark or not for future debate, this is the truth. If you see this again, just remember this. If not convinced, then let them be. We are good enough to not cross the line. This is not me celebrating but me feeling a burden has been lifted. I say this because this is the recurring argument that has come back constantly. So now, it doesn't help that much; however, this does hurt because that would mean Hinata was just made because of the manga direction, never intended since the very beginning. That's a big difference. Heck, as of now, the real legit reason for her is actually a fanservice that is covered, which Kishi actually said this. Not saying she can't have character, but don't expect big development because of its past, that is not existent. So yeah, that takes care of that.

Well, there goes the full on fan-made theory... Right out the window. Good post 4life, mind if I keep the quote for further use?