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[tricksie]

She isn't "over" Dan more than any who lost to death someone they were in a deeply loving relationship. (What she was able to move past was the emotionally brittle person she became after Dan's death. Thanks to Naruto reminding her of both Nawaki and Dan). That doesn't mean she didn't love Jiraiya, she was in love with both men. Kishimoto made that clear- it was just Jiiraiya's words and behavior that kept her from realizing he was not just lusting after her body but was in love with her, until their last conversation. We see in her private mourning moments that she had feelings for Jiraiya years before she became involved with Dan. I'm glad Kishimoto wrote this realistically, that a woman can romantically love more than one person, even if the first relationship was very mutual and loving, and the loss of that person was devastating. We see that in a more subtle way with Konan, yes, it was Yahiko that was her first love, and there was mutual attraction there, but after Yahiko's death there's a subtle vibe of a kind of romantic love between Konan and Nagato.

This is to get the readers to see that Sakura's one sided crush on Sasuke- that she wants to rid herself of the painful remnants of, and that she feels depressed and ashamed about, has absolutely no connection or barrier to her romantic feelings for Naruto. They are in different places in her heart. Her feelings for Naruto are a source of joy and contentment for her, one she is quite ready for it to become a mutual relationship.

Like the difference between deep love and deep partnership. And the argument can be made that though Jiraiya loved Tsunade deeply, he was a terrible partner. Even older, he was very set in his wandering, philandering ways. Kishimoto really shines in the creation of these complex, poignant storylines. And I would wish for a third timeskip just to see him develop Naru/Saku in that way. (Not so much the bad stuff, but just a more mature relationship than a 16-year-old love.)

[sushi.]

yeah but for someone who claims to love him, if she can't tell he loves Sakura she doesn't really understand him as much as she thinks she does

Huh? c:
Who's "she"?

If it's Sakura, I agree to a certain limit, but it's also somwhat Sai's fold. o_o

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Huh? c:
Who's "she"?

If it's Sakura, I agree to a certain limit, but it's also somwhat Sai's fold. o_o

They mean Hinata, Sushi. It's true ta she could know, but it ure hasn't been seen that Hinata knows about Naruto's feelings for Sakura, given he's had them since they were kids.

[Gravenimage]

They mean Hinata, Sushi. It's true ta she could know, but it ure hasn't been seen that Hinata knows about Naruto's feelings for Sakura, given he's had them since they were kids.

Exactly Hinata is not stupid she must know that Naruto loves Sakura. Everyone from the rookies know even the entire village especially after the 450 hug.

[Don-kun]

I also find it kinda odd. I thought she was over Dan. Hmmmmmm........... poor Jiraya. Looks like he was never loved. (forever alone in death.)T-T

She was thinking about the will of fire she inherit from them she only thought about them because they wanted to become Hokage. Jman didn't.
It has nothing to do with love was about the dream they have, if you open up Tsunade's heart, you will see a bunch of Jiraiya's clones.

[Living Lavish]

They mean Hinata, Sushi. It's true ta she could know, but it ure hasn't been seen that Hinata knows about Naruto's feelings for Sakura, given he's had them since they were kids.

But at least her smile during that hug shows she would be happy for Naruto and Sakura and not hurt. witch is a good thing.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

But at least her smile during that hug shows she would be happy for Naruto and Sakura and not hurt. witch is a good thing.

Yeah, even if it seem confusing on whether what she said in The Path to Radiance! meant romantically being at Naruto's side or not. XD

[Living Lavish]

Yeah, even if it seem confusing on whether what she said in The Path to Radiance! meant romantically being at Naruto's side or not. XD

Yup, but then again Naruto already had Sakura by his side throughout the manga, not Hinata and he knows this.
plus she is the one that makes him happy!.

and (just to add this in lol) Sakura knows how to handle him like his Mother, another similarity.

Edited by Living Lavish, 08 March 2012 - 05:32 PM.

[merryGOflava]

I also find it kinda odd. I thought she was over Dan. Hmmmmmm........... poor Jiraya. Looks like he was never loved. (forever alone in death.)T-T

well.....in a way she WAS over him (not over in love....but understands he's dead)

so i think she was going to start being with jiraiya, cause she understands that dan wasnt coming back and jiraiya was always with her.

but....now that both guys are dead....it kinda doesnt matter......but i believe she loves both.

for sakura its different.......she loves/loved sasuke but he plainly doesnt love her back, unlike dan who loved tsunade.

sakura is/was heartbroken cause sasuke doesnt like her
tsunade was heartbroken cause dan died.

...though i say even though dan died....naruto still had a better chance than jiraiya when it comes to getting their dream girl.

[CloudMountainJuror]

well.....in a way she WAS over him (not over in love....but understands he's dead)

so i think she was going to start being with jiraiya, cause she understands that dan wasnt coming back and jiraiya was always with her.

but....now that both guys are dead....it kinda doesnt matter......but i believe she loves both.

for sakura its different.......she loves/loved sasuke but he plainly doesnt love her back, unlike dan who loved tsunade.

sakura is/was heartbroken cause sasuke doesnt like her
tsunade was heartbroken cause dan died.

...though i say even though dan died....naruto still had a better chance than jiraiya when it comes to getting their dream girl.

Very true. Jiraiya had a lot of trouble... I feel sorry for the guy.

[merryGOflava]

Very true. Jiraiya had a lot of trouble... I feel sorry for the guy.

yea i only say that cause

jiraiya's competition was a loving dead boyfriend
while
naruto's competition is a crazy emo dude.

[CloudMountainJuror]

yea i only say that cause

jiraiya's competition was a loving dead boyfriend
while
naruto's competition is a crazy emo dude.

Emo? Eh, not too sure about that anymore. I think he's just fully psychotic now. His brain seems to have snapped in half.

[merryGOflava]

Emo? Eh, not too sure about that anymore. I think he's just fully psychotic now. His brain seems to have snapped in half.

i said crazy didnt i!!

[The Tax-Man]

Like the difference between deep love and deep partnership. And the argument can be made that though Jiraiya loved Tsunade deeply, he was a terrible partner. Even older, he was very set in his wandering, philandering ways. Kishimoto really shines in the creation of these complex, poignant storylines. And I would wish for a third timeskip just to see him develop Naru/Saku in that way. (Not so much the bad stuff, but just a more mature relationship than a 16-year-old love.)

Actually IDK about that... Jiraya wandered because he had nothing to do in the village and he certainly fared much better just being a hobo(lol). I'm sure he'd be completely fine with settling down if he'd been younger, but he really had no reason to stay in the village when we saw him. And him not wanting the job of a Hokage, his reasons were pretty much the same as Kakashi's.

And Part 3, maybe. I think Kishimoto can take this to at least autumn next year. If he introduces another plot point by then or leaves something open, we might as well see one. Or maybe just a prequel, who knows.

[redragon88]

Very true. Jiraiya had a lot of trouble... I feel sorry for the guy.

I do wonder if Jiraiya was not partly to blame for not getting together with Tsunade when they were younger. When he died Tsunade had some quick flashbacks of when they were kids and met for the first time and she remembered how Jiraiya went and told her to write him a love letter afterward. That left me with the impression that she liked him a little when they were younger even if it was subconsciously, but since Jiraiya was... well... freaking Ero-sennin!!! it left her with a not so good impression of him, at least when it came to romance and dismissed his advances as pure lust for her body instead of actual love. Since Jiraiya always made fun of her flat chest when they were kids she probably assumed he only liked her later because she had developed.

While Tsunade kept her distance because of what I mentioned just now Jiraiya was busy on his side being a wanderer in search of the chosen one in the frog sage's prophesy, this put even more distance between them. I remember a scene of the flashback episode "The tale of the gallant Jiraiya" were after a battle Tsunade asked Jiraiya if he was coming back to the village with her, it shows to me that Tsunade felt somewhat lonely when every time Jiraiya was away. Then, of course, is the death of her little brother which made her close her heart, something Jiraiya didn't want to tamper with out of respect for her. Later she opened her heart again to Dan who reminded her of her brother since the both carried the same dream of becoming Hokage, but sadly he died as well.

All that became too huge of a burden to Tsunade and thus decided to completely shut herself down completely, that put an even bigger distance between her and Jiraiya. He felt that after all she went through the best thing to do was watch her from afar and make sure she stayed happy. He thought that at that point if he tried anything it would only make her relieve bad emotions and therefore continued his life as a wanderer as it had always been. Although I guess he somewhat indirectly confessed to her right before going to fight Pain because he knew there was a good chance he was going to die so it was then or never.

[Don-kun]

well.....in a way she WAS over him (not over in love....but understands he's dead)

so i think she was going to start being with jiraiya, cause she understands that dan wasnt coming back and jiraiya was always with her.

but....now that both guys are dead....it kinda doesnt matter......but i believe she loves both.

for sakura its different.......she loves/loved sasuke but he plainly doesnt love her back, unlike dan who loved tsunade.

sakura is/was heartbroken cause sasuke doesnt like her
tsunade was heartbroken cause dan died.

...though i say even though dan died....naruto still had a better chance than jiraiya when it comes to getting their dream girl.

Well Said you speak the truth.

[Sojobo]

Hello, long time no see guys.

Just read the last pages (a lot), and I saw that a lot of people are dissapointed about Hinata's last words in the manga.

Hinata : Naruto, I've always been chasing after you, even now...
But once this war will end, I'm going to stop once and for all.

Next time I'll be next to you, holding your hand...

Most people interpretated that like this :

"After war, I'll be next to you, holding your hand."

But that is not what she said :

After war I'll stop chasing you !!
Next time (mean when they will meet again, so obviously against Tobi/war period), she'll be next to him, holding his hand".
So what she means by that, is that she will stop chasing him in the futur (so this probably kill NaruHina instantly), and will fight by his side in war period (be next to you holding your hand).

There is nothing to worry about this scene, it's even positive for NaruSaku.
NaruHina fans just interpretated this in a wrong way (way that they want like always).

This also means that Hinata will probably find her own path, without Naruto.
That's what she meant by that.


So dear friends, don't panic, this is just the beginning of NaruSaku last developpelemt. ^^

[T XD]

Hello, long time no see guys.

Just read the last pages (a lot), and I saw that a lot of people are dissapointed about Hinata's last words in the manga.

Hinata : Naruto, I've always been chasing after you, even now...
But once this war will end, I'm going to stop once and for all.

Next time I'll be next to you, holding your hand...

Most people interpretated that like this :

"After war, I'll be next to you, holding your hand."

But that is not what she said :

After war I'll stop chasing you !!
Next time (mean when they will meet again, so obviously against Tobi/war period), she'll be next to him, holding his hand".
So what she means by that, is that she will stop chasing him in the futur (so this probably kill NaruHina instantly), and will fight by his side in war period (be next to you holding your hand).

There is nothing to worry about this scene, it's even positive for NaruSaku.
NaruHina fans just interpretated this in a wrong way (way that they want like always).

This also means that Hinata will probably find her own path, without Naruto.
That's what she meant by that.


So dear friends, don't panic, this is just the beginning of NaruSaku last developpelemt. ^^

yea when hinata said this means it's another evidence that hinata will let go naruto and change her ways in her life after the war. it is for sure that we will see this in a future chapter

[Dalton.T.R]

Hello, long time no see guys.

Just read the last pages (a lot), and I saw that a lot of people are dissapointed about Hinata's last words in the manga.

Hinata : Naruto, I've always been chasing after you, even now...
But once this war will end, I'm going to stop once and for all.

Next time I'll be next to you, holding your hand...

Most people interpretated that like this :

"After war, I'll be next to you, holding your hand."

But that is not what she said :

After war I'll stop chasing you !!
Next time (mean when they will meet again, so obviously against Tobi/war period), she'll be next to him, holding his hand".
So what she means by that, is that she will stop chasing him in the futur (so this probably kill NaruHina instantly), and will fight by his side in war period (be next to you holding your hand).

There is nothing to worry about this scene, it's even positive for NaruSaku.
NaruHina fans just interpretated this in a wrong way (way that they want like always).

This also means that Hinata will probably find her own path, without Naruto.
That's what she meant by that.


So dear friends, don't panic, this is just the beginning of NaruSaku last developpelemt. ^^

Really? Because it seemed more of a positive NH moment and a negative NS moment to me. But that's just me.

[Dalton.T.R]

yea when hinata said this means it's another evidence that hinata will let go naruto and change her ways in her life after the war. it is for sure that we will see this in a future chapter

Well nothing's set in stone yet guys. Lets not get too hyped up over this. We could very possibly end up biting our own tails here.