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[Canadian_DJ]

I found this on Deviant Art:
 
So randomly, a Japanese artist on Pixiv message me, wanting to know more about Americans and what they think of Naruto. So we talked and the conversation steered towards favorite characters. She loved Sasori and I said I loved Naruto and Sakura even as a couple but it is not as popular of a pairing and Sakura is hated very much. She was shocked and her exact words were "my entire family loves Sakura the most" and proceeded to say the above. I was shocked to see her say this because she is a KakaNaru shipper. So NaruHina fans who keep telling us on DA and on Tumblr to stop comparing NaruSaku and MinaKush need to stop because even Japanese say this. This is not the first Japanese to say this to me. My 2nd most favorite SasuNaru artist, Vessel, had also said this and so did another Japanese artist on Pixiv. I can even name two Japanese artists who is on DeviantArt say this too (different artists so 5 in total right now)And a few Japanese artists even compared NaruSaku in RTN to MinaKush, one even saying "NaruSaku is the 2nd generation MinaKush". 
 
 
What do you guys think of this?

If you guys dont believe this...trust me you should, I have many japanese friends, and I've seen the polls, japanese forums and fanpages and comments and what not, sakura is the most popular female in naruto and narusaku is considered popular, naruhina doesnt compare.

(Dont worry ill change my sig, gotts fly soo busy!)

[Psychox]

One arguement I never get tired of from pairing debates is how some people try to pull the UNS2 and 3 arguements for NH, there are 2 that just make me laugh to no end. First is the "secret lovers" one due to the team up of Naruto and Hinata and people think that because it says that, they think Naruto automatically just loves Hinata and that this somehow merits itself back into the manga despite it being a game derived from the manga. Yet in truth, the whole aspect of these team up names in the series is when 2 or 3 people are teammed up, a name can form based on their affliation to village, fighting style, clan, organization, rank, title, even similar traits and special cases too.

 

Teams in the game range from simple like: Team 7, Team 10, Best friends (only naruto and Sasuke), Jinchurki (any of the 9 jinchurki), Taka, Akaksuti, Uchiha brothers, dangerous fellows (Itachi and Kisame), sensei and student (Lee and Guy), gutsy master and student (Jiraya and Naruto), Monster strength (Sakura and Tsunade), Buyakugan (Neji and Hinata) Myangeko Sharingan (Any uchiha plus kakashi is allowed too), Rivals in love (Sakura and Ino) All set on Sasuke (Sakura, Ino, and Karin), Reincarination (any edo tensei characters), puppet masters (Kankuro, Chiyo, Sasori), artists (Sai, Sasori, Deidara), Leaf village joinin (Kakashi, Asuma, Guy, or Yamato), Root (Sai, Danzo), Cornered rats (Hidan, Kakuzu, Yugito), native village teams (any 2 people from the same village even those who never interacted like Fu (7 tails jinchurki) and Kakuzu who both come from the waterfall village), various Jiraya apprencte teams (Naruto, Minato, Pain, Nagato, Konan) God and angel (Pain and Konan) Sannin (duh) like cats and water (karin and sugetsu). See how this is just a small sample of the teams? There are practically more than 100 team names. The secret lovers one though, did it ever occur to these people rushing in thinking NH is canon or going to be that perhaps this name "Secret lovers" has to do with the fact that Naruto has a secret crush on Sakura as Hinata does on him? Its a similar trait because well think about it, Sakura's love really isn't a secret due to how Naruto knew and how before Sasuke left she displayed hers the most openly. Besides its a game, its based off the canon material not the other way around.

 

Most likely the biggest one of all, in UNS3 as you play the game, 2 paths are open for you to gain items during boss battles of the game, heroes and legends. Heroes is usually easier but tends to follow the canon path such as when facing the 9 tails, you can get bees help or not, legends is harder but Naruto fights Kurama alone without bee in this path. When you hit the max rank in both of these catagories, there are 2 special missions those who walk with heroes and legends, having Naruto go on a trip with Sakura and Hinata respectively. And some people think that because the legends path is harder that this should somehow consititue NH as going canon, despite the fact that the main story of canon for this game goes away near the madara fight, these missions take place after the story mode and technically they never happened. I mean even still the heroes path follows most canon stuff and thats Sakura traveling with Naruto and having a thoughtful moment with him but is it canon? No neither of these are cause they are part of the extra after game content for the player to do. The creators couldn't go further, they had to make the game cause the manga is still in progress, they had to divert the game to end with Obito saying curse you ill be back and then the villages just rebuild. I don't know why some people seek evidence for NH in other media, but thats not helping their case, all media outside the manga is derived from the manga and doesn't impact the manga itself. The anime is secondary in all Naruto media generally having at times expanding other events but thats generally what the manga didnt always have time to address. Even as it seems like certain elements of RTN have snuck into the manga as of late, its still not like this at all. The manga is first and formost the top primary source for any pairing evidence, if there truely are any cases of the anime impacting the manga, they are very very few special cases such as these:

Naruto meeting Utakata and encoutering the 3 tails before meeting son goku

the 7 swordsmen weapon the lightning blade Kiba orginated in the pre-shippuden filler arcs with the villian Raiga came to canon during the war arc with the 7 reanimated swordsmen

minor characters like Ayame, the girl who crushes on Gaara both seen first in the anime but later the manga.

A very special case is Sakura's parents, they were first seen in the anime in ep 271 but they were always around in the back lorewise, they always existed just never had screentime. Always mentioned and we knew of them just no clear image. So though we never see them in the manga, because of lore reasons for these simple mentions Kizashi and Meubeki are canon characters.

 

And thats it, hardly ever is the manga impacted by the anime. A game will have even less impact. Its simple fanservice. The anime does it, Naruto SD was literally a dumping ground that attacked all fandoms. The main group of creators (mainly the manga team) they don't even pay attention or possibly even care about the pairing wars, they most likely just brush it off. The anime team and espically the SD team however provoke fun at it, but thats because its not going to let some stupid fanbase delisions guide them. Its the non-canon naruto media development teams that mainly have differing activities in this stuff but when you get down to it, this whole obession with NH fans saying NH will be canon because of this game, no just no, it comes down to simple fanservice. I mean even Sakura had a mission with Naruto in UNS3, you don't see NS fans screaming canon because of that game right? We don't even count RTN as canon, even then its the closest thing to any naruto media with a derived canon base plot, in RTN we only count the NS stuff as how the pairing can work to become somehting more, not as evidence to further it in the main story. But thats what it all is, those missions were just fanservice, the name secret lovers is just referring to the fact Naruto and Hinata have a similar trait in that they secretly love someone, for Naruto he secretly loves Sakura, thats been made evident throughout the series, just so why is it so hard for people to understand this stuff? Hey all I can say at this point, if NH evidence is starting to be taken from areas outside of the anime now, they might as well give up cause without the manga, nothing is going to change espcially at this point.

Any SS/NH argument that Naruto is in love with Hinata or has moved on from Sakura is debunked from the POAL and that the fact that he still wants to confess despite everything that has happened and will occur. So, there is no real need of coming into a quarrel with them , because its no use and they have no way to go when backed up into a corned they seek nh -ss arguments ,because they are short on their own .

I've tried talking with an SS fan today about an argument ''Itachi's truth'' will fix everything , her answer? Still waiting.. huh..

Edited by Psychox, 25 September 2013 - 03:57 PM.

[Darkness]

Most likely the biggest one of all, in UNS3 as you play the game, 2 paths are open for you to gain items during boss battles of the game, heroes and legends. Heroes is usually easier but tends to follow the canon path such as when facing the 9 tails, you can get bees help or not, legends is harder but Naruto fights Kurama alone without bee in this path. When you hit the max rank in both of these catagories, there are 2 special missions those who walk with heroes and legends, having Naruto go on a trip with Sakura and Hinata respectively. And some people think that because the legends path is harder that this should somehow consititue NH as going canon

 

Let me get this straight. There are two paths available for the player to choose, at Heroes Naruto goes on a mission with Sakura and at Legends he goes with Hinata. Let's dismiss the major fact that any of this isn't canon for the sole purpose of this mental exercise.

 

They say because the Legends path is harder, it means Hinata is the love choice Naruto will end up making therefore turning such pairing into canon. But why would the difficulty level of a journey be the factor that influences Naruto's decision? This is just... random. I can argue literally anything with this kind of approach.

 

We can easily look at this in a different, more perspective way. Hinata's mission besides being more difficult, it diverges from the canon plot, while Sakura's is at a more standard level and is more attached to the canonical material.

 

Therefore we can easily assume that a NH ending is not only a harder event, but it also diverges from the canonical material that has been written so far. Right? No. Because any of this matters.

 

Just my two cents on the subject showing how we can create arguments and false assumptions based on materials derived from the manga.

Edited by Darkness, 25 September 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, one path you only end the argument and that will be it. The other path is only balancing the argument, but result to fight Ino. That's why that one is Legend path. It's stupid but that's how it was done.

[Inferno180]

Say Inferno since you are an excerpt in the Pairing wars of Naruto and ATLA/TLK, what do you know of the Harry Potter Pairing war? Since that's the only pairing I know that could rival Naurto and ATLA/TLK

 

I never took place in the potter pairing wars, seriously that was like a nightmare to the extreme from what I heard. I never took place in the Avatar pairing wars but I use it simply as a reference that the NH and SS crowd should beware of because of Zutara, just because a pairing is popular doesn't mean its going to happen (the NH element), likewise the same end for the SS crowd with the bad boy good girl type deal, (cept SS actually had them starting on the same end rather than Zutara had them start as enemies)

 

Also for the NH side relating to Zutara, its the fact that many NH fans use that concepted drawing argument, Hinata was going to be on team 7, or NH was the original end. Well look at ATLA, zutara was the concepted ending but they changed it because the creators felt it would be cheating Aang, "the hero goes unrewarded" or "Because the avatar is duty bound to the world, their own desires must be sidelined" and that would have completely screwed up the reason for the avatar always being reborn, to experience being human. To feel human is also the avatar to be one with the world, not separate from it. The main premise of the avatar was duty to the world for balance but not to the point of abandoning their own personal self. Basically the creators tried it several ways and zutara just didn't work to them, then they utterly stomped on the hopes of the zutara fans with an episode making fun of in a small part, ending it with aangtara, using a fanart showcase to make fun of it, and ultimately lead to the 3 kids of aang and katara as seen in korra. What NH fans need to understand is concepts, concepts are experiments, thoughts of how things can go, what can be planned for the story. In fact their entire argument is flawed right there by all logic for concepts, well if Hinata was supposed to be on team 7 well she wasn't now was she? If a NH ending was originally decided well kishi must have decided to use Naruto and Sakura because he thought it would do better for a heroes merits part on Naruto and a good growth plot for love and maturity on Sakura, hell with Kushina now the hinting had to go further leaning on NS. Its literally what are the majority of story elements hinting, pointing, or advocating now? NS, yet others will always argue against that.

 

Concepts apply to all forms of entertainment media, I mean in videogames sometimes a weapon or creature would have gone to appear but due to development time and constrants, the game developers settle for something else, like there is concept art from the game Halo Reach with SMGs, but no SMGs appeared in Halo reach. Even old movies like James Bonds live and let die, the moment he is stuck in the Gator pen, he used his magnetic watch to call a boat over. Originally they wanted the boat to come but the movie creators felt this was too easy for him so they tied the boat up and made him do an escape by running on the gators (as dumb as it sounded). See what I mean? Concepts for story design are nothing new. Hell there could have been an original plot point for Obito to have died under the influence of the ten tails or for Madara being revived but thats all changed now hasn't it? So these fans for pairing wars, they should just utterly forget the concept arguments,they are concepts, thoughts, experiments, they didn't make it in the final product so they need to get over it. The past experiments doesn't mean its going to come back in force or change anything now does it? No. Same could be said for slug sage mode, maybe its past the point of it coming out. It could have been concepted but otherwise it may not be coming. If neither Sakura nor Tsunade shows something like this then slug sage mode is only in the minds of fans, possibly only having been well that a concept. These things are experiments for a reason, for all we know we can say NH was the orginal intended one but perhaps kishi and the other guys who direct the manga didn't exactly like the flow of the manga that way, they didn't otherwise like how to just start Hinata's plot as important after a few cruical NS interaction moments, so perhaps along the way they abandoned the NH plot and turned to NS, it can be argued in a way so simple like this. Thats all there is too it.

[Question22]

Oh btw there is a guy from manga  fox hes name is skymk i want to know hes name here?

 

He posted my fanart also the pairing votes

[BlueStarSaber]

 

I never took place in the potter pairing wars, seriously that was like a nightmare to the extreme from what I heard. I never took place in the Avatar pairing wars but I use it simply as a reference that the NH and SS crowd should beware of because of Zutara, just because a pairing is popular doesn't mean its going to happen (the NH element), likewise the same end for the SS crowd with the bad boy good girl type deal, (cept SS actually had them starting on the same end rather than Zutara had them start as enemies)

 

Also for the NH side relating to Zutara, its the fact that many NH fans use that concepted drawing argument, Hinata was going to be on team 7, or NH was the original end. Well look at ATLA, zutara was the concepted ending but they changed it because the creators felt it would be cheating Aang, "the hero goes unrewarded" or "Because the avatar is duty bound to the world, their own desires must be sidelined" and that would have completely screwed up the reason for the avatar always being reborn, to experience being human. To feel human is also the avatar to be one with the world, not separate from it. The main premise of the avatar was duty to the world for balance but not to the point of abandoning their own personal self. Basically the creators tried it several ways and zutara just didn't work to them, then they utterly stomped on the hopes of the zutara fans with an episode making fun of in a small part, ending it with aangtara, using a fanart showcase to make fun of it, and ultimately lead to the 3 kids of aang and katara as seen in korra. What NH fans need to understand is concepts, concepts are experiments, thoughts of how things can go, what can be planned for the story. In fact their entire argument is flawed right there by all logic for concepts, well if Hinata was supposed to be on team 7 well she wasn't now was she? If a NH ending was originally decided well kishi must have decided to use Naruto and Sakura because he thought it would do better for a heroes merits part on Naruto and a good growth plot for love and maturity on Sakura, hell with Kushina now the hinting had to go further leaning on NS. Its literally what are the majority of story elements hinting, pointing, or advocating now? NS, yet others will always argue against that.

 

Concepts apply to all forms of entertainment media, I mean in videogames sometimes a weapon or creature would have gone to appear but due to development time and constrants, the game developers settle for something else, like there is concept art from the game Halo Reach with SMGs, but no SMGs appeared in Halo reach. Even old movies like James Bonds live and let die, the moment he is stuck in the Gator pen, he used his magnetic watch to call a boat over. Originally they wanted the boat to come but the movie creators felt this was too easy for him so they tied the boat up and made him do an escape by running on the gators (as dumb as it sounded). See what I mean? Concepts for story design are nothing new. Hell there could have been an original plot point for Obito to have died under the influence of the ten tails or for Madara being revived but thats all changed now hasn't it? So these fans for pairing wars, they should just utterly forget the concept arguments,they are concepts, thoughts, experiments, they didn't make it in the final product so they need to get over it. The past experiments doesn't mean its going to come back in force or change anything now does it? No. Same could be said for slug sage mode, maybe its past the point of it coming out. It could have been concepted but otherwise it may not be coming. If neither Sakura nor Tsunade shows something like this then slug sage mode is only in the minds of fans, possibly only having been well that a concept. These things are experiments for a reason, for all we know we can say NH was the orginal intended one but perhaps kishi and the other guys who direct the manga didn't exactly like the flow of the manga that way, they didn't otherwise like how to just start Hinata's plot as important after a few cruical NS interaction moments, so perhaps along the way they abandoned the NH plot and turned to NS, it can be argued in a way so simple like this. Thats all there is too it.

 

I see, well from what heard on Potter pairing war from J.K. herself compared it to cyber warfare

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

I don't think there's really much to worry about anymore. Recently we've been seeing signs from Sakura that she has moved on but doesn't know how to accept it. There might be a few times where she feels a little confused, but if Naruto were to face Sakura while standing next to Sasuke and say, "Okay, Sakura. It's time to choose." There's no doubt in my mind she'll pick Naruto. So far there hasn't been a clear reason why she wouldn't. Even in part 1 she was thinking highly of Naruto. She was one of the first to believe in him and his goals of becoming hokage. Especially during the Chunin exams when everyone else, including Hinata, thought he couldn't beat Kiba. Sakura and Kakashi...maybe Lee as well supported him from the start.

 

I think Sakura was just blinded by her fangirlism...and yes that's a word now...

 

I personally think that if Naruto had started off as just an average person and not the town clown he was, Sakura might have had her eyes on him as well. Maybe a number of other girls. Who knows?

 

I just can't see SS happening at this point. After EVERYTHING Naruto and Sakura have done for each other. If Sasuke pulls a double-crosser, as most of us expect, I can see Sakura hating Sasuke from that point on. Maybe not hating him, but she'd definitely avoid him to avoid getting into any kind of fight. That would have to have an impact on her. Almost losing Naruto after Sasuke stabs his sword through his stomach will be enough for her to make her choice.

 

If Naruto is lying on the edge of a river knocking on death's door, she'll probably do something we never saw coming. Whether it be taking his last breath with a kiss, or sacrificing half of her life to bring him back, she'll do something.

 

In my personal opinion...SS is dead. Buried with a tombstone over its resting place.

I agree with this 100%

 

Especially taking the last breath with a kiss thing. I don't know why, I just like the thought of that happening for some reason.

[Hiraishin]

 

weird, couldnt find any cover of sakura with axe lol. but the chain thingies help bind the weapons to naruto's back i suppose.

Oh, I know what they're for. What I meant was - well, I intended to draw some fanart of Sakura with the axe, so I looked at that cover and was trying to see how the chains... connect to each other, for the lack of a better term, and it wasn't consistent, if you know what I'm trying to say. So I couldn't draw the fanart aha...

[rocci]

I think sakura will use axe at some point in the manga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think sakura will use axe at some point in the manga.

She's already using "super strenght" 

The axe is a symbolism.

On part 1 she had an axe which would mean that she would get super strenght and on part 2 Naruto holding an axe with "haruno sakura" means that he relies on her strenght.

[rocci]

Hmm, yes you're right.

[Superman333]

when is 648 coming out?

[Strangelove]

when is 648 coming out?

 

It's been out since this morning.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

when is 648 coming out?

 

Do you mean 649? Because 648 is already out.

[Superman333]

 

Do you mean 649? Because 648 is already out.

wow I'm late because normally people on here would be talking about it . 

[DattebayoXShannaro]

^ There's a thread specifically for the chapter.

[Chatte]

She's already using "super strenght" 

The axe is a symbolism.

On part 1 she had an axe which would mean that she would get super strenght and on part 2 Naruto holding an axe with "haruno sakura" means that he relies on her strenght.

Actually if I remember correctly not the axe symbolized super strength, but the sword she had on one of the covers, a green one.

 

As for Japanese people loving Sakura and all, I had a day past week where many asian people told me the same thing. One of them said that they love strong personalities, thus they very much like Sakura.

So it's not a BS thing, it's just the western fandom that confuses people.

Edited by Chatte, 26 September 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[Hanabi]

pleasantly surprised to see  so many jap peeps loving sakura, i wonder what they think about hinata. its also similar to sasuke..a lot of western fans don't like him yet he ranks in top 5 everytime in jap polls.

 

and another thing that surprise me is how many naruhina fans are starting to accept narusaku... even though they are calling it a love out of guilt, cheap, etc

[Superman333]

pleasantly surprised to see  so many jap peeps loving sakura, i wonder what they think about hinata. its also similar to sasuke..a lot of western fans don't like him yet he ranks in top 5 everytime in jap polls.

 

and another thing that surprise me is how many naruhina fans are starting to accept narusaku... even though they are calling it a love out of guilt, cheap, etc

thats good to know that they is realizing they can't deny NS no more . 

Edited by Superman333, 26 September 2013 - 08:09 AM.