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[Don-kun]

from the manga or the anime? I see no such thing in the manga. Hinata is just there. Any interactions between them is not Romantic in a way I could see. That last one was just Naruto encouraging her to be more confident. And you don't EVEN NEED those three moments you pointed out to see NaruSaku's relationship. ask any of our fellow NaruSaku fans, they can vouch for it. Again Kishimoto is writing the manga how HE decides. It's pretty unprofessional for an author to write their work based on the fans opinions' or desires. It's common sense. It's the anime that are trolling us with NaruHina fillers. And even if it was a matter of keeping fans for him, let me tell you that popularity with manga s a VERY SERIOUS business. the popularity decides who's work gets to stay published. When a manga loses too many fans and popularity polls, it gets cancelled. End of story. do you want Naruto to get cancelled? I didn't think so. He's not doing it for fun IF that is the case. Read the manga Bakuman if you don't believe me. It's a story from the creators of Death Note. It talks about two teenagers wanting to be manga artists and the the plot explains the process of manga.



Anguyen My friend!! Haven't seen you for a while!!

Yes but may main point

You just prove what I said.
Kishi is been driven by fan and the fact that he is afraid of losing reader by sticking to his story, is silly.
After Sakura hug, Naruto declaration on the fact that Sakura has more than friendship feelings for Naruto, plus Naruto been the hero and has readers we can all see that the NaruSaku is more obvios so Kishi start forsing all this Hinata crap to keep the reader thinking that they may be a NH end, when he already focus most of the Manga on NaruSaku and make three statement for this couple...
1- Sakura say only she knows what she feels.
2- Naruto say that he cannot confess until he keep his promose.
3- Kushina find a girl like me.

You see there is Sakura thinking about Naruto's love and Naruto thinking about Sakura in a romantic way = two way relationship.
Now you have Hinata thinking about Naruto, Hinata thinking about Naruto, Hinata thinking about Naruto, but no Naruto thinking about her love, then we keep haven Hinata thinking about Naruto and Hinata thinking about Naruto, that now it doesn't make sense anymore. Only thing you can think that he wants to keep NH and SS reading his story on not stoping because of pairing stuff.

I never say that there was any scene in the manga about Naruto looking at Hinata I say that he focus too much on Hinata's one side crush that it doesen't make sense any more... And this is only to keep reader so that's way I say he is been driven by fan on not his own story...
Romance is not more important than the plot, romance is like 30% to 20% of the popularity and now it becoming very annoying and insolting to Sakura character for still loving Sasuke and Hinata stalking and thinking all the time about a boy that doesen't love her that way. And now she is stating that she will hold his hand at the end of the war.

Edited by donjoseph19, 07 March 2012 - 04:29 AM.

[Hiraishin]

There's something that's kind of been on my mind lately and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Sometimes it can be hard for me to put my thoughts to words, so please bear with me while I spit my words out.

Kishi has said that the theme he really wants to portray in Part II is "bonds." And, he's done that, for the most part. He's emphasised Naruto's bond with Sasuke and how it affects him, and Sasuke's bond with Itachi and how it affects him. We've seen bonds shown between more minor characters, such as A and Bee's bond, Tsunade and Dan's bond, Minato and Kushina, etc. It's not the same thing, because Hinata having feelings for Naruto doesn't necessarily entail a bond, but we've seen how her attachment to Naruto makes an impact on her life. 

My point is, we haven't really seen that with Naruto and Sakura, which I find rather strange, given that they're main characters and they mean a lot to each other and all that. I know some people would disagree with me - they'd say we have seen that - and I can understand their point of view. Obviously, we already know how important Sakura is to Naruto because one, loves her, and that already says a lot on its own; and two, all of his precious people mean a lot to him. And with Sakura, we've seen Naruto's importance to her steadily grow throughout the manga. But what I'm saying is, we haven't seen either of them really think about their bond with the other, like how that has happened with other characters in the manga. We kind of see this in Sakura's confession, when she talks about how Naruto has always been there for her and what have you. We've also seen how their bond has developed and grown throughout Part I and Part II. But "developing" a bond and "emphasising" a bond aren't really the same thing, if you get what I'm saying.

So, I thought, Naruto and Sakura's bond should be emphasised, whether it be by one or the other - preferably both - or even by a whole separate character. It wouldn't be that far-fetched, since it would be keeping in line with the theme of the manga. Some people may say, this is a shounen manga so we can't have any of that, but it doesn't have to be anything overtly romantic. It could be something simple like Naruto thinking about his important people just before a big fight and focusing on Sakura, with perhaps some short flashbacks or internal monologue, or Sakura seeing how much Naruto has grown as she arrives to see him fight, and how she's grown alongside him and what an impact that has had on her, or Kakashi watching them fight side by side and thinking about how much they've grown because of each other. Just throwing out some ideas right now. Actually, Sakura's perspective on their bond may be more fitting during a mutual confession or something like that, but hey. Anyway, do you guys kind of see what I'm saying? I tend to sort of ramble when I'm trying to explain something, so my apologies. I'd be really interested in what you guys have to say!

I never say that there was any scene in the manga about Naruto looking at Hinata I say that he focus too much on Hinata's one side crush that it doesen't make sense any more... And this is only to keep reader so that's way I say he is been driven by fan on not his own story...
Romance is not more important than the plot, romance is like 30% to 20% of the popularity and now it becoming very annoying and insolting to Sakura character for still loving Sasuke and Hinata stalking and thinking all the time about a boy that doesen't love her that way. And now she is stating that she will hold his hand at the end of the war.

I think I see what you're saying. Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Hinata's feelings are emphasised so much when they really shouldn't be, especially this far in the manga, so that it's become redundant. Did I get it right? Either way, I agree. xD

Edited by mydearbeloved, 07 March 2012 - 05:55 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

There's something that's kind of been on my mind lately and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Sometimes it can be hard for me to put my thoughts to words, so please bear with me while I spit my words out.

Kishi has said that the theme he really wants to portray in Part II is "bonds." And, he's done that, for the most part. He's emphasised Naruto's bond with Sasuke and how it affects him, and Sasuke's bond with Itachi and how it affects him. We've seen bonds shown between more minor characters, such as A and Bee's bond, Tsunade and Dan's bond, Minato and Kushina, etc. It's not the same thing, because Hinata having feelings for Naruto doesn't necessarily entail a bond, but we've seen how her attachment to Naruto makes an impact on her life. 

My point is, we haven't really seen that with Naruto and Sakura, which I find rather strange, given that they're main characters and they mean a lot to each other and all that. I know some people would disagree with me - they'd say we have seen that - and I can understand their point of view. Obviously, we already know how important Sakura is to Naruto because one, loves her, and that already says a lot on its own; and two, all of his precious people mean a lot to him. And with Sakura, we've seen Naruto's importance to her steadily grow throughout the manga. But what I'm saying is, we haven't seen either of them really think about their bond with the other, like how that has happened with other characters in the manga. We kind of see this in Sakura's confession, when she talks about how Naruto has always been there for her and what have you. We've also seen how their bond has developed and grown throughout Part I and Part II. But "developing" a bond and "emphasising" a bond aren't really the same thing, if you get what I'm saying.

So, I thought, Naruto and Sakura's bond should be emphasised, whether it be by one or the other - preferably both - or even by a whole separate character. It wouldn't be that far-fetched, since it would be keeping in line with the theme of the manga. Some people may say, this is a shounen manga so we can't have any of that, but it doesn't have to be anything overtly romantic. It could be something simple like Naruto thinking about his important people just before a big fight and focusing on Sakura, with perhaps some short flashbacks or internal monologue, or Sakura seeing how much Naruto has grown as she arrives to see him fight, and how she's grown alongside him and what an impact that has had on her, or Kakashi watching them fight side by side and thinking about how much they've grown because of each other. Just throwing out some ideas right now. Actually, Sakura's perspective on their bond may be more fitting during a mutual confession or something like that, but hey. Anyway, do you guys kind of see what I'm saying? I tend to sort of ramble when I'm trying to explain something, so my apologies. I'd be really interested in what you guys have to say!

I'll be completely honest with you with what I think of how Kishi is handling NaruSaku. The answer is Sakura has only become one of the trophy for Naruto completing his goals.

From the start of part 2 I think he was planning to make NaruSaku like MinaKushi, partnership between the two. Sakura was always strong for Naruto like Naruto was for her. She would beat the crap out of Sai, she would tell Naruto that crying Sasuke won't bring him back. But then as the story started to focus on Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura's relationship started to focus on him too. Sakura starts to be depressed all the time, and Naruto always trying to help her. Naruto and Sakura's world start to revolve around Sasuke to the point that I don't know who the main character is anymore. The partnership is now gone as Sakura is not needed anymore for Naruto to complete his goals. Because now, Naruto's goal has turned to saving Sasuke(=stopping the chain of hatred, Hokage's requirement to be able to save a friend) and Naruto is the only one who can get through Sasuke. And without getting him back Naruto won't feel worthy to confess to Sakura. When he can get through Sasuke, then at the same time he will feel worthy to face Sakura. But until then, Sakura will be left out of the bonding, as she is only a mere symbol/prize of Naruto completing his goal. I hope I'm making sense here. It kinda reminds me of Jiraiya's "prize" if he could save Nagato, which he never got since he didn't complete it.

And don't mistake me. I truly hate the idea I wrote above, but sadly I think this is what it is. This is one of the reasons why I repeatedly say that I'm sure NaruSaku will happen but I hate the way it will probably happen.

Edited by narunarunaru, 07 March 2012 - 07:06 AM.

[redragon88]

If we're really going to see the rookies assist Naruto in the battle against Tobi then I hope, even if it is for one or two pages, that Naruto and Sakura do some sort of team-up. The only one we ever got was in the beginning of part two during the second bell test and Kakashi went out of his way to state how good of a teamwork they made.

I keep remembering what Itachi said to Naruto right before leaving to find Kabuto, about the requirements to be Hokage and how his father managed to do it: "Your father Minato could be Hokage because he had your mother Kushina and all the others"

If we apply it to Naruto then with the arrival of the army to assist him a chance to truly prove himself worthy of the title Hokage is coming. When Naruto's friend arrive to help I want him to remember those words and maybe see Sakura as he recalls how his own father had Kushina to back him up. Even if it was just a quick team-up I think it would be great. Maybe Kakashi himself could comment how much both have grown and even have a quick flashback of a team-up with Minato and Kushina. Kakashi already sees Naruto as the second coming of Minato so this could be the next step.

[TerrorKing]

I'll be completely honest with you with what I think of how Kishi is handling NaruSaku. The answer is Sakura has only become one of the trophy for Naruto completing his goals.

From the start of part 2 I think he was planning to make NaruSaku like MinaKushi, partnership between the two. Sakura was always strong for Naruto like Naruto was for her. She would beat the crap out of Sai, she would tell Naruto that crying Sasuke won't bring him back. But then as the story started to focus on Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura's relationship started to focus on him too. Sakura starts to be depressed all the time, and Naruto always trying to help her. Naruto and Sakura's world start to revolve around Sasuke to the point that I don't know who the main character is anymore. The partnership is now gone as Sakura is not needed anymore for Naruto to complete his goals. Because now, Naruto's goal has turned to saving Sasuke(=stopping the chain of hatred, Hokage's requirement to be able to save a friend) and Naruto is the only one who can get through Sasuke. And without getting him back Naruto won't feel worthy to confess to Sakura. When he can get through Sasuke, then at the same time he will feel worthy to face Sakura. But until then, Sakura will be left out of the bonding, as she is only a mere symbol/prize of Naruto completing his goal. I hope I'm making sense here. It kinda reminds me of Jiraiya's "prize" if he could save Nagato, which he never got since he didn't complete it.

And don't mistake me. I truly hate the idea I wrote above, but sadly I think this is what it is. This is one of the reasons why I repeatedly say that I'm sure NaruSaku will happen but I hate the way it will probably happen.

Sadly, I agree. It seems that ever since the Kage summit arc, Kishi has almost completely forgotten about Sakura. Sure she has had her awesome moments too, like healing Gai, pummeling the white Zetusu and helping figuring out the mystery behind the white Zetsu army, but in terms of the overall plot, she has pretty much been reduced to a side character. A "main" side character perhaps, but a side character nonetheless.

If Kishi wants to make NaruSaku happen without Sakura merely being pairing fodder, then he seriously needs to have Naruto and Sakura have a talk. Maybe not right now, but at some point before the manga ends. They need to sort out their feelings for each other and hopefully come to a conclusion. The last thing I want is for NaruSaku to simply happen "out of the blue" and by that I mean that the only evidence we get is a picture of them holding hands in an epilogue or something. I would still be happy of course, but at the same time I would be disappointed by the execution, if that makes any sense.

Edited by TerrorKing, 07 March 2012 - 11:11 AM.

[Fenris]

I like your opinion narunaru, and I agree. I feel that Sakura will be a trophy of Naruto's for all his success. He deserves the girl of his dreams after all his success. But, I think that for some reason he'll win the affection of her, by impressing her just from all the hard work he's done/will do throughout the war and I think itll be shown in panels. say with sakura blushing and mentally coplimenting his sucess.

Edited by Fenris, 07 March 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Yes but may main point




I never say that there was any scene in the manga about Naruto looking at Hinata I say that he focus too much on Hinata's one side crush that it doesen't make sense any more... And this is only to keep reader so that's way I say he is been driven by fan on not his own story...
Romance is not more important than the plot, romance is like 30% to 20% of the popularity and now it becoming very annoying and insolting to Sakura character for still loving Sasuke and Hinata stalking and thinking all the time about a boy that doesen't love her that way. And now she is stating that she will hold his hand at the end of the war.

But is a one sided crush romance? It's just that. a crush. Crushes are normal for teenagers. you can only call it romance if There is mutual romantic development. Okay before you can even assume He's ramming these, as you say, pointless crushes down our throats, driven only by fan appeal rather than his own regard for the story, first count the actual manga panels Hinata has been it. Now, count the pages of when she goes N-Naruto-kun or is thinking/daydreaming or whatever about him and blushing like a fire engine. Done? Next count the manga panels Sakura was fangirling over Sasuke or thinking about him. Finally count the frequency that they appear it, check how many chapters between each of those said moments you are complaining about. All finished? So, how is this TOO MUCH? He's not doing it like every two chapters or anything like that. How many chapters has it been since Sakura thought about Sasuke? And don't you think Hinata may not have meant for her words to be romantic, and may have meant that she wants to catch up to Naruto and not be a burden anymore? Well even if it was, so be it. Sakura's sounded more emotional and less selfish anyway. Besides there is a point to it. He's doing it so his characters can grow up and develop from those insecurities. He's not doing it cause it's what the fans WANT, Cause He'd be more direct about it if it was, wouldn't he? They are just going through a phase that will help them become emotionally stronger. That's all.

Edited by Phantom_999, 07 March 2012 - 10:12 PM.

[Hiraishin]

I'll be completely honest with you with what I think of how Kishi is handling NaruSaku. The answer is Sakura has only become one of the trophy for Naruto completing his goals.

From the start of part 2 I think he was planning to make NaruSaku like MinaKushi, partnership between the two. Sakura was always strong for Naruto like Naruto was for her. She would beat the crap out of Sai, she would tell Naruto that crying Sasuke won't bring him back. But then as the story started to focus on Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura's relationship started to focus on him too. Sakura starts to be depressed all the time, and Naruto always trying to help her. Naruto and Sakura's world start to revolve around Sasuke to the point that I don't know who the main character is anymore. The partnership is now gone as Sakura is not needed anymore for Naruto to complete his goals. Because now, Naruto's goal has turned to saving Sasuke(=stopping the chain of hatred, Hokage's requirement to be able to save a friend) and Naruto is the only one who can get through Sasuke. And without getting him back Naruto won't feel worthy to confess to Sakura. When he can get through Sasuke, then at the same time he will feel worthy to face Sakura. But until then, Sakura will be left out of the bonding, as she is only a mere symbol/prize of Naruto completing his goal. I hope I'm making sense here. It kinda reminds me of Jiraiya's "prize" if he could save Nagato, which he never got since he didn't complete it.

And don't mistake me. I truly hate the idea I wrote above, but sadly I think this is what it is. This is one of the reasons why I repeatedly say that I'm sure NaruSaku will happen but I hate the way it will probably happen.

To be honest, I agree with you, especially the bolded part. And I wish it didn't have to be that way, because NaruSaku had the potential to be such a great couple - and I suppose it still could be, but considering all the things you've said... Things aren't looking so great for our pairing.

If Kishi wants to make NaruSaku happen without Sakura merely being pairing fodder, then he seriously needs to have Naruto and Sakura have a talk. Maybe not right now, but at some point before the manga ends. They need to sort out their feelings for each other and hopefully come to a conclusion. The last thing I want is for NaruSaku to simply happen "out of the blue" and by that I mean that the only evidence we get is a picture of them holding hands in an epilogue or something.  I would still be happy of course, but at the same time I would be disappointed by the execution, if that makes any sense.

This. Yes, I know what you mean, and I agree. I of course want NS to happen, but if Kishi is going to do that, he might as well do it right, you know what I mean? And I don't know how long he has to do that, given the pace the manga is going at at the moment.

[pharix]

Sai is in fact quite observant and is often right about these books of his. I'm beginning to think Kishi made a big part of his perona for Narusaku.

yeah but for someone who claims to love him, if she can't tell he loves Sakura she doesn't really understand him as much as she thinks she does

[CloudMountainJuror]

I like your opinion narunaru, and I agree. I feel that Sakura will be a trophy of Naruto's for all his success. He deserves the girl of his dreams after all his success. But, I think that for some reason he'll win the affection of her, by impressing her just from all the hard work he's done/will do throughout the war and I think itll be shown in panels. say with sakura blushing and mentally coplimenting his sucess.

Just one problem with this post: "deserves". We can't use the same NaruHina logic that we all shun, lest we be hypocrites.

[catsi563]

Also the notion of Sakura being a trophy is particularly egregious. Sakura has been developed as a strong independant Kunoichi, shes no more a trophy to be won, as Karin would be a trophy for Sasukes redemption.

In point of fact Naruto would end up being a trophy for Hinata if Kishimoto sensei went that direction for much the same reaosn, her constant devotion etc etc.

In the end result Sakura will be chosen for her strength and determination not because Naruto hit the bottles and earned a teddy from the prize rack.

[merryGOflava]

Also the notion of Sakura being a trophy is particularly egregious. Sakura has been developed as a strong independant Kunoichi, shes no more a trophy to be won, as Karin would be a trophy for Sasukes redemption.

In point of fact Naruto would end up being a trophy for Hinata if Kishimoto sensei went that direction for much the same reaosn, her constant devotion etc etc.

In the end result Sakura will be chosen for her strength and determination not because Naruto hit the bottles and earned a teddy from the prize rack.

sakura will be chosen cause shes stuck by naruto through thick and thin. trophy??

[redragon88]

I already explained why in the last page but what Naruto and Sakura need the most right now, in my opinion, with a war going on is a good old fashioned team-up. As of right now that's their only chance for proper development since at the moment it's impossible to just sit and talk.

[merryGOflava]

I already explained why in the last page but what Naruto and Sakura need the most right now, in my opinion, with a war going on is a good old fashioned team-up. As of right now that's their only chance for proper development since at the moment it's impossible to just sit and talk.

you dont need development through talking. actions are enough too.

[ramenanmitsu]

Just one problem with this post: "deserves". We can't use the same NaruHina logic that we all shun, lest we be hypocrites.

In my opinion, the "deserves" argument is only stupid when NaruHina uses it. The reason I think so is because that implies Hinata>Naruto, Hinata getting what she deserves(=Naruto) over what the main character deserves(=Sakura). I think it's pretty reasonable for NaruSaku fans to believe Naruto will get Sakura because he "deserves" her, since he's the main character and therefore will get what he wants in the end.

Also add to the fact that Naruto cannot confess to Sakura now because he feels he doesn't deserve her. Whether Naruto "deserves" Sakura or not is pretty much a vital point for NaruSaku to happen unlike the other pairings.

Also the notion of Sakura being a trophy is particularly egregious. Sakura has been developed as a strong independant Kunoichi, shes no more a trophy to be won, as Karin would be a trophy for Sasukes redemption.

In point of fact Naruto would end up being a trophy for Hinata if Kishimoto sensei went that direction for much the same reaosn, her constant devotion etc etc.

In the end result Sakura will be chosen for her strength and determination not because Naruto hit the bottles and earned a teddy from the prize rack.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say as "trophy-trophy". I called her a trophy because Naruto can only confess to Sakura when he accomplishes to save Sasuke. The Hokage status, and Sakura are things(people) Naruto would work to gain only after he accomplishes to save Sasuke. That is why I think Sakura symbolizes a trophy/prize for Naruto's accomplishment. Therefore, my words are in no way implying that he chose her because she's a trophy.

Karin would not be a trophy. Because a trophy is not a trophy, if the person the trophy is given to doesn't want it. Sasuke does not want Karin. The same with Karin.

The case is different with Hinata, because it clashes with what the main character wants and she's only a side character. Also look at Konohamaru, his devotion won't earn the Hokage title because it clashes with the main character as well. I think this only works with the main character.

Edited by narunarunaru, 08 March 2012 - 04:08 AM.

[Phantom_999]

So what's this talk about Sakura being only a trophy? that is rather insulting if you ask me. That is no different than saying Naruto SHOULD be with Hinata than cause SHE would be a trophy girl: Naruto hardly interacted with her nor showed any returning of her feelings so far, and to make them a couple out of the blue would make no sense. This is not Dragon Ball, people. Naruto and Sakura on the other hand have ha plenty of development and it's not always about Sasuke. Need I remind You That Sakura worries about Naruto A LOT. About Kurama being stuffed in him, the fact that Akatsuki is after his life, That he could DIE if if Kurama was extracted,(though we find out chances are he will survive the extraction) And has shown admiration for his courage and determination multiple times? That does not make a TROPHY wife. She HUGGED him in chapter 450. If They are being all depressed about Sasuke, remember that he was Naruto's best friend and Sakura's first crush, and losing such a person would make any one angst, no? Him leaving was one of the factors that made them become closer but it's not based only on that. You know.... when I think about it Maybe Sakura was thinking about Sasuke when that ninja brought her love up, because they are in a war with Akatsuki and she knew he was in it so maybe that was the reason, she maybe thought that she'd might have to fight him sometime in this war and he was her former crush, yet on the other hand she thought Naruto wasn't there and was safe and sound somewhere else so maybe that's why she didn't think of him because she knew he was okay and will not get hurt, since she wasn't informed that he was charging his way there.

Just one problem with this post: "deserves". We can't use the same NaruHina logic that we all shun, lest we be hypocrites.

That is something I am trying to avoid

[]bIn my opinion, the "deserves" argument is only stupid when NaruHina uses it.[/b] The reason I think so is because that implies Hinata>Naruto, Hinata getting what she deserves(=Naruto) over what the main character deserves(=Sakura). I think it's pretty reasonable for NaruSaku fans to believe Naruto will get Sakura because he "deserves" her, since he's the main character and therefore will get what he wants in the end.

Also add to the fact that Naruto cannot confess to Sakura now because he feels he doesn't deserve her. Whether Naruto "deserves" Sakura or not is pretty much a vital point for NaruSaku to happen unlike the other pairings.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say as "trophy-trophy". I called her a trophy because Naruto can only confess to Sakura when he accomplishes to save Sasuke. The Hokage status, and Sakura are things(people) Naruto would work to gain only after he accomplishes to save Sasuke. That is why I think Sakura symbolizes a trophy/prize for Naruto's accomplishment. Therefore, my words are in no way implying that he chose her because she's a trophy.

Karin would not be a trophy. Because a trophy is not a trophy, if the person the trophy is given to doesn't want it. Sasuke does not want Karin. The same with Karin.

The case is different with Hinata, because it clashes with what the main character wants and she's only a side character. Also look at Konohamaru, his devotion won't earn the Hokage title because it clashes with the main character as well. I think this only works with the main character.

Oh that's what you meant. Still that's doesn't mean that those goals are a PRIZE. Sakura will love him, Sasuke or no.t Why do you think she tried to kill Sasuke in the first place?It may have something to do with her former feelings for Sasuke but she ultimately did it for NARUTO's sake. It's not that He can only achieve his goals and desires when he saves Sasuke, He just won't accept them UNTIL he does; he feels that strongly about it. also I would not say that first sentence you just typed if I were you. Because that can work against us too. If we were to say that to the NH fandom, then they would will respond like so( if some can think about it clearly enough), "But then why does Naruto DESERVE, Sakura then, But Hinata doesn't deserve Naruto? It's the same thing." NaruSaku is the best pairing in my eyes because they show neutral trust, affection, and respect. They know each other inside and out and support each other through thick and thin. They encourage each other, believe in each other, and you can just plain see the chemistry between them. Fans that don't merely do not understand the concept of tsundere character, just don't want to acknowledge that their pairing is not coming true, or because they simply hate her, that's all.

Edited by Phantom_999, 08 March 2012 - 05:31 AM.

[Fenris]

In my opinion, the "deserves" argument is only stupid when NaruHina uses it. The reason I think so is because that implies Hinata>Naruto, Hinata getting what she deserves(=Naruto) over what the main character deserves(=Sakura). I think it's pretty reasonable for NaruSaku fans to believe Naruto will get Sakura because he "deserves" her, since he's the main character and therefore will get what he wants in the end.

Also add to the fact that Naruto cannot confess to Sakura now because he feels he doesn't deserve her. Whether Naruto "deserves" Sakura or not is pretty much a vital point for NaruSaku to happen unlike the other pairings.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say as "trophy-trophy". I called her a trophy because Naruto can only confess to Sakura when he accomplishes to save Sasuke. The Hokage status, and Sakura are things(people) Naruto would work to gain only after he accomplishes to save Sasuke. That is why I think Sakura symbolizes a trophy/prize for Naruto's accomplishment. Therefore, my words are in no way implying that he chose her because she's a trophy.

Karin would not be a trophy. Because a trophy is not a trophy, if the person the trophy is given to doesn't want it. Sasuke does not want Karin. The same with Karin.

The case is different with Hinata, because it clashes with what the main character wants and she's only a side character. Also look at Konohamaru, his devotion won't earn the Hokage title because it clashes with the main character as well. I think this only works with the main character.

That's the only problem NH fans have with argumentings besides false logic. They use the Hinata deserves speech., like you said. Where she's a side character, not a heroine, and Naruto is the main character, and has been loving Sakura since ch. 3.

I was thinking though... in the latest chapter, Chojis dad told Dan "Tsunades been admiring you for awhile..." Idk why, but that struck me as odd, maybe I'm just over thinking it.

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That's the only problem NH fans have with argumentings besides false logic. They use the Hinata deserves speech., like you said. Where she's a side character, not a heroine, and Naruto is the main character, and has been loving Sakura since ch. 3.

I was thinking though... in the latest chapter, Chojis dad told Dan "Tsunades been admiring you for awhile..." Idk why, but that struck me as odd, maybe I'm just over thinking it.

I also find it kinda odd. I thought she was over Dan. Hmmmmmm........... poor Jiraya. Looks like he was never loved. (forever alone in death.)T-T

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So what's this talk about Sakura being only a trophy? that is rather insulting if you ask me. That is no different than saying Naruto SHOULD be with Hinata than cause SHE would be a trophy girl: Naruto hardly interacted with her nor showed any returning of her feelings so far, and to make them a couple out of the blue would make no sense. This is not Dragon Ball, people. Naruto and Sakura on the other hand have ha plenty of development and it's not always about Sasuke. Need I remind You That Sakura worries about Naruto A LOT. About Kurama being stuffed in him, the fact that Akatsuki is after his life, That he could DIE if if Kurama was extracted,(though we find out chances are he will survive the extraction) And has shown admiration for his courage and determination multiple times? That does not make a TROPHY wife. She HUGGED him in chapter 450. If They are being all depressed about Sasuke, remember that he was Naruto's best friend and Sakura's first crush, and losing such a person would make any one angst, no? Him leaving was one of the factors that made them become closer but it's not based only on that. You know.... when I think about it Maybe Sakura was thinking about Sasuke when that ninja brought her love up, because they are in a war with Akatsuki and she knew he was in it so maybe that was the reason, she maybe thought that she'd might have to fight him sometime in this war and he was her former crush, yet on the other hand she thought Naruto wasn't there and was safe and sound somewhere else so maybe that's why she didn't think of him because she knew he was okay and will not get hurt, since she wasn't informed that he was charging his way there.

That is something I am trying to avoid

Oh that's what you meant. Still that's doesn't mean that those goals are a PRIZE. Sakura will love him, Sasuke or no.t Why do you think she tried to kill Sasuke in the first place?It may have something to do with her former feelings for Sasuke but she ultimately did it for NARUTO's sake. It's not that He can only achieve his goals and desires when he saves Sasuke, He just won't accept them UNTIL he does; he feels that strongly about it. also I would not say that first sentence you just typed if I were you. Because that can work against us too. If we were to say that to the NH fandom, then they would will respond like so( if some can think about it clearly enough), "But then why does Naruto DESERVE, Sakura then, But Hinata doesn't deserve Naruto? It's the same thing." NaruSaku is the best pairing in my eyes because they show neutral trust, affection, and respect. They know each other inside and out and support each other through thick and thin. They encourage each other, believe in each other, and you can just plain see the chemistry between them. Fans that don't merely do not understand the concept of tsundere character, just don't want to acknowledge that their pairing is not coming true, or because they simply hate her, that's all.

You misunderstood what I wrote.

That's the only problem NH fans have with argumentings besides false logic. They use the Hinata deserves speech., like you said. Where she's a side character, not a heroine, and Naruto is the main character, and has been loving Sakura since ch. 3.

I was thinking though... in the latest chapter, Chojis dad told Dan "Tsunades been admiring you for awhile..." Idk why, but that struck me as odd, maybe I'm just over thinking it.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised because some NH believers still think Hinata is the heroine. Although, even if she was, Kishi would still prioritize the main character over the heroine.

That struck me as odd too. But I kind of left it as it is since 1. ) Chouza doesn't know about Jiraiya, 2.) the word used was "admire".
But poor Dan

Edited by narunarunaru, 08 March 2012 - 06:14 AM.

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I also find it kinda odd. I thought she was over Dan. Hmmmmmm........... poor Jiraya. Looks like he was never loved. (forever alone in death.)T-T

She isn't "over" Dan more than any who lost to death someone they were in a deeply loving relationship. (What she was able to move past was the emotionally brittle person she became after Dan's death. Thanks to Naruto reminding her of both Nawaki and Dan). That doesn't mean she didn't love Jiraiya, she was in love with both men. Kishimoto made that clear- it was just Jiiraiya's words and behavior that kept her from realizing he was not just lusting after her body but was in love with her, until their last conversation. We see in her private mourning moments that she had feelings for Jiraiya years before she became involved with Dan. I'm glad Kishimoto wrote this realistically, that a woman can romantically love more than one person, even if the first relationship was very mutual and loving, and the loss of that person was devastating. We see that in a more subtle way with Konan, yes, it was Yahiko that was her first love, and there was mutual attraction there, but after Yahiko's death there's a subtle vibe of a kind of romantic love between Konan and Nagato.

This is to get the readers to see that Sakura's one sided crush on Sasuke- that she wants to rid herself of the painful remnants of, and that she feels depressed and ashamed about, has absolutely no connection or barrier to her romantic feelings for Naruto. They are in different places in her heart. Her feelings for Naruto are a source of joy and contentment for her, one she is quite ready for it to become a mutual relationship.